Jacob Prasch – But By The Grace of God [those Calvinists] . . . Tell The Truth!
NEW: PLEASE READ THE ADDENDUM AT THE END OF THIS ARTICLE
I only recently came across an article written by James Jacob Prasch which he called “What Are We Left With?.” I must say I wholeheartedly agree with him on everything he said in the greater part of his article, at least until a I read the very last paragraph.
Jacob Prasch says;
“May God Bless Dave Hunt, Roger Oakland, Tony Peace, David Hocking, Arnold Fruchtenbaum, Warren Smith, Ray Yungen, Chuck Smith, Jack Hibbs, Bill Randles, Philip Powell, Mike Gendron, David Wilkerson, Ray Comfort, Justin Peters,Paul Washer , John MacArthur, Stuart Dool, Doug Harris, John Higgins, Joseph Fara, Bob De Waay and the other servants of the One True God who labor to uphold God’s eternal truth and proclaim the true Gospel in this age of apostasy and decline. None of these men are perfect or without flaw, nor above all either am I. But by the grace of God all of them tell the truth.“ (Emphasis added).
[DTW note: Justin Peters, Bob De Waay, Paul Washer and John MacArthur are all Calvinists that speak the truth according to Jacob Prasch]
Jacob Prasch and his favourites
It’s obvious that Dave Hunt is one of Prasch’s favorite writers and speakers, mentioning him first in a list of very illustrious and knowledgeable authors and preachers. I couldn’t agree more. Dave Hunt, in my opinion, is a gift of God to the church in these last days who like Paul of Tarsus “ceases not to warn every one night and day with tears” (Acts 20:31). However, I was shocked to see the names of Justin Peters, Bob De Waay, Paul Washer and John MacArthur in his list of men who “but by the grace of God . . . tell the truth” and “uphold God’s eternal truth and proclaim the true Gospel.” Both these gentlemen, as Prasch himself knows, are staunch Calvinists whose doctrines of grace (as they call it) Dave Hunt rebukes and refutes as being a gross misrepresentation of God in his book “What Love Is This?” In the introduction “Why this Book?” Hunt writes:
Most shocking of all, however, is Calvinism’s misrepresentation of God who “is love.”
If God is the essence of love, which of course He is, then the slightest misrepresentation of his love cannot possibly be called the truth. Both gentlemen, Paul Washer, and John MacArthur believe that Jesus did not die for everyone. Paul Washer is a wee bit more subtle in his approach to this particular “truth” and never says outrightly “Jesus did not die for everyone” but cunningly says in many of his videos on YouTube: “Jesus died the death OF HIS PEOPLE.” Who are his people? Well, of course, the elect only are God’s people. This is the kind of blasphemy John MacArthur and many other Calvinists spew out on their congregants and on the internet.
And James Jacob Prasch of Moriel Ministries says of these men (Paul Washer and John MacArthur): “but by the grace of God [they]. . . tell the truth.” Is it true that Jesus Christ was crucified only for his people (a select few chosen ones)? If it is true, it must be from God. If not, then it is a lie and all lies emanate from the father of all lies, Satan himself. Calvinism is arguably one of the most dangerous doctrines on our planet. Everything they say about the doctrines of sanctification and living a life of holiness and absolute obedience to God is commendable but as soon as it comes to the very core of God’s will for all men, the salvation of their souls, they have it sorely wrong which borders dangerously on blasphemy.
Addendum:
In a Youtube video I watched today[1], Jacob Prasch says that if you do not put on the belt of truth around your waste and continue to wear it day and night, you cannot claim to have the breastplate of righteousness covering your heart. As soon as you take off the belt of Truth, the breastplate of righteousness automatically falls to the ground. I happen to agree with him one hundred percent.
Having said that, we cannot in the very least assume that Calvinists, whom Jacob Prasch hails as men who “tell the Truth,” have put on the breastplate of righteousness. It is impossible to say they have been endowed with the breastplate of righteousness when they proclaim the following hideous and satanic lies:
- “Why did God not choose to love everyone like that (savingly)? I’ll give you a good guess, and maybe not a guess. The reason God did not choose to love everyone savingly, is because the love of God is qualified and controlled by His glory.” (John MacArthur)
- “God hates sinners.” (Paul Washer). [Thomas: When God loves He only loves the elect according to the Calvinistic John 3:16 but when He hates, He does not only hate the Calvinistic sinners but ALL sinners. Calvinists just love to chop and change their interpretation of the meaning of “all,” “world” and “whosoever” whenever and however they like].
Jacob, are these guys telling the Truth? If they are, then you have every right to proclaim that they are endowed with both the belt of Truth and the breastplate of righteousness. If not, then you cannot possibly say that they are wearing the breastplate of righteousness. Wouldn’t you agree that they (Justin Peters, Bob De Waay, Paul Washer and John MacArthur) are going to end up in Babylon as well? Don’t you think you should apologize in public to God and the Body of Christ that you were wrong in saying” . . . by the grace of God, all of them tell the truth?“ If you do, I will be the first person to say in public that you are truly a man of God who wears both the belt of truth and the breastplate of righteousness to the honor and glory of God.
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Sharon
>> Hey Deborah…wonder how your critics will feel when their Mansion in heaven is right next door to you! :o) Why oh why must your critics act so ungodly? If they’re Calvinists I understand their Phariseeism. After all, they’re the Elect so they must be justified in attacking us when we call out the false teachings called Calvinism & Arminianism. What happened to the days when people confessed Jesus and believed what the Bible said? I will never, ever accept the beliefs of man other than the God-Man Christ Jesus. One thing about most Calvinists is when they find out we aren’t one then they automatically label us as Arminians. Nope, not me. Here’s what Job had to say about titles or labels…he was very wise.
Well the critics needs to change their unbiblical views and think themselves saved instead of Elect and repent of this to Jesus Christ this before they get a mansion.
Today is May 24, 2013 and I hate Calvinism more than I ever have. I asked my best friend, (Calvinist since 2004) a question about the Rapture of the Church and what her thoughts were. I asked if she believed in Pre-Trib or Post Trib. I don’t know was her reply. I was shocked. So I emailed her some scriptures that prove a Pre-Trib Rapture of the Church. She said that she had heard many godly men teach both sides of the issue. Frankly I don’t care what any man says about the issue; it’s what scripture says. Then someone here posted that Calvinists are taught to hate the non-elect. I just couldn’t believe that my best friend of 53 years hated anyone. So I asked her that question. I never got an answer. I took it too far with my “passive aggressive” attitude. I asked why would God condemn someone to hell just for being born? That was a conversation ender. I am intensely sad that I took it too far, but I am even more saddened that we both have agreed to never discuss Calvinism ever again. There is so very much more in Scripture that we could discuss together but now, after this, it had put a Sword between us. I am no Calvinist and I am not an Arminian. I just love Jesus Christ my Savior.
This is what Calvinism does…it divides rather than unify.
HI Sharon,
Indeed, it is sad when your best friends or even you own family members become your enemies when you present them with the truth. Nonetheless, we have to choose whom we ought to obey – Jesus or our friends/family.
Paul said:
Many Christians seem to have lost their witness because they decided to rather please friends/family for the sake of peace, love and good relationships. To do this is nothing else than being ashamed of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Our attitude should be: “If people want to hate me for telling them the truth in love, so be it.”
Yip Tom, you and I had a brief discussion on this.
You are part of prophecy Sharon. That is the good News…
Sharon
It’s a terrible doctrine and when you REALLY find out what it’s all about its a shock to the system. Calvinist will ‘keep you as friends’ as long as you don’t tread on their toes (aka doctrine) The moment you start asking questions you become THE INFIDEL!
I will give you a big hug *HUGS*
Thomas and I we’ve been attacked by specific pair of Calvinists no stop since the day I stood up for Jesus Christ against this doctrine of demons.
Sharon, I don’t know how you define friendship, but with friends like that, one doesn’t need enemies!
Friends don’t always agree on everything, but Calvinism is such a devious doctrine that it strikes at the very core of the Gospel. If your friend was saved before and then became deluded by that doctrine, and she does in fact have the Holy Spirit, you should be able to reason with her and speak the truth in love. On the other hand, if she is so far gone and firmly entrenched in Calvinism is it possible that she never really ever knew the Lord with saving knowledge?
If she is your best friend, you owe it to her to approach her in love and have this discussion. I find it most helpful to start with TULIP. This boils down the beliefs. Arm yourself with the Word and the knowledge of those beliefs and why they are unbiblical. Let your friend know that it is out of a heart of concern and not to simply argue.
I don’t see how a friendship can be maintained on a close level under the circumstances when the gulf is so wide. Pray for your friend and for opportunities to share the truth with her. If she won’t listen to the truth, then it may be time to come out and separate from her and then release her for God to deal with her. Light has no fellowship with darkness and Calvinism/Reformed doctrine is about as dark as it gets.
Just sayin…………….
I love true discernment ministries. But I do not agree with the way you guys treat brothers in Christ. Jacob Prasch is a Godly man. He does not divide over non essentials. If you truly loved the body of Christ. The Holy Spirit which indwells in every true Christian loves the true body of Christ. Look you don’t have to agree on everything another believer says about the non essentials. But if you have the same Gospel, Jesus Christ Died for our sins, rose again and ascended to heaven to be seated at the right hand side of The true Father God (Yahweh). If you believe that the original scripture written in their orginal languages by the Holy Spirit through man and that it is inerrant, this is an essential. Then you must believe Jesus Christ is The Eternal Son of God who is God and He came in the flesh, thus being 100% God and 100% man being in the flesh to pay the penalty for our sin and to lead us to the LORD YAHWEH. And you must believe in the God head The TRIUNE YAHWEH GOD. Being THE GODHEAD, consisting of The FATHER, THE SON, THE HOLY SPIRIT (THE TRUE TRIUNE GOD) – you must believe that also, And finally we are sinners and need forgiveness of our sins!! and therefore as the bible commands us, Jesus CHRIST THE LORD GOD OF ALL COMMANDS US to repent and put our faith (trust) in JESUS CHRIST YAHWEH FOR THE REMISSIONS OF SINS!!! THROUGH HIM ONLY CAN WE BE SAVED. JESUS CHRIST IS every Christians LORD AND SAVIOUR. Now… on this basis do true christians have fellowship. And you must be careful on how you build. Jesus Christ gave the convernant to ISRAEL. BOTH. THE Law of Moses and the Law of Liberty. So Israel is important and God has a prophetic plan for Israel still! We are apart of it! …. Jacob Prasch is a solid man of God. I have listened to hours of his teaching and support his ministry because it lines up with the word of God. Ray Comfort although i disagree with calvinism is a Godly man and same with John Macarthur and David Hocking, Mick Gendron ect ect. These people are Godly and I support them also. I don’t agree with calvinism but boy do they get most things right. So please stop your ungodly accusations toward Godly men. You either Love the brethren and support them, as long as they are not heretical or it proves you are not saved and do not have the Holy Spirit of God and your conversion is false. Please think about it for your own sake. Ps this is not Jacob Prasch or any of the people mentioned. God bless.
forgot to mention those people I mentioned above don’t believe that people are made to go to hell. Please see what they say and go to them first. Thankyou also.
The people sorry to add they believe once saved always saved. Which although I don’t agree with it, they do end with the same result. Eg. Macarthurs view and David Hocking ect… if they don’t continue in God they were never saved in the first place and what i believe is you can lose your salvation if you don’t continue in the essential doctrines to be saved as mentioned above. And same with Mike Gendron… non of these people are 5 point calvinists. So again rethink your position and do the right thing. Kind regards.
Anonymous
>> I love true discernment ministries. But I do not agree with the way you guys treat brothers in Christ. Jacob Prasch is a Godly man
Really? So what goes through your mind when Jacob Prasch does this to others? Jacob Prasch the Railer
>> He does not divide over non essentials
This is important stuff, leading people into the clutches of the CULT OF CALVINISM. They believe that Jesus only died on the Cross for the Elect and not the whole world, there are many other heresies they preach.
>> Ray Comfort although i disagree with calvinism is a Godly man and same with John Macarthur and David Hocking,
How is this possible, when they believe the are ELECT instead of saved? That’s like saying, I agree with the teachings of 7th days adventists because they too preach a gospel that is soooo similar to Christianity but when you take the time to look at it, it is NOT the gospel of Jesus Christ, it is FALSE, a DOCTRINE OF DEMONS.
Anyonymous
Calvinists believe that God picked some before time memorial to be Elect and others to go to hell, are you one of those He picked to go to hell? Just think about that.
Anonymous
As you insecure in your relationship with Jesus Christ? Do you doubt Jesus Christ?
You need to understand The DIFFERENCE Between Assurance of Salvation (Once Saved, Always Saved) and CALVINISM’S Perseverance of the Saints (Once CHOSEN, Always CHOSEN)
Then you can read all the articles on Hebrews 6 here:
Losing Your Salvation, Is it Possible? Understanding Hebrews 6 (Part 1)
Losing Your Salvation, Is it Possible? Understanding Hebrews 6 (Part 2)
And then these:
Eternal Security: NOSAS Versus OSAS (Part 1)
Eternal Security: NOSAS Versus OSAS (Part 2)
Eternal Security: NOSAS Versus OSAS (Part 3)
Eternal Security: NOSAS Versus OSAS (Part 4)
Eternal Security: NOSAS Versus OSAS (Part 5)
Who ever you are Anonymous, please open your Bible. Find me one example of someone in the New Testament that was truly saved, truly born again that committed some particular sin and was then lost again. Please fine me just one that this happened to.
The Apostle Peter denied Jesus three times. Did he lose his salvation? No
The Apostle Paul said of himself that he didn’t do the things he knew he should and he did the things that he knew he shouldn’t do. Did Paul lose his salvation? No.
James and John were called the “Sons of Thunder.” They wanted to call fire down from heaven and destroy a whole town full of people. Did they lose their salvation? No.
There is absolutely, positively, no one in scripture that ever lost their Salvation. When you say that people can lose it then you are saying that God is too weak to keep us saved. We need to be very care full about what we imply about our All Powerful God. Nothing can take us out of his hand…not even ourselves.
Anonymous wrote:
I’m just laying here in my little bed reading older post here. I was reading things about Calvinism, my best friend and that truth can be a divider. I have stood against friends before for the sake of the truth. It hurts but when it comes to the truth of Jesus Christ there are no friends or even family sometimes. Thanks be to God I have never had to stand against family. All of my family, parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles, cousins, my kids and grandchildren all knew or know Jesus Christ as their Savior! I am so blessed to have a circle of family that is unbroken and we will spend eternity together in heaven.
God has also blessed me with some great friends. Most of my friends live back in Florida. I can’t say that I really have a close friend here in Louisiana. There are some great ladies at my church that I love and appreciate but they are still working whereas I am on disability retirement. So it’s hard to get close to a friend here.
My best friend, life long friend has meant the world to me. We grew up in the same church. Her parents were my second parents and my parents were her second parents. We have been friends since we were five years old. Both of us will soon be 59. So that makes a friendship of 53 years. We even took a short road trip to see some friends when we celebrated being friends for 50 years. The little church we grew up in was definitely NOT Calvinistic. One Pastor tried to lead the church that way and he was asked to resign and he did so. But we were probably only about 7 years old at that time. I remember some of it but not a lot. Then the church called my grandfather to be pastor. He left his church in Ohio and moved to Michigan.
My grandfather had an 8th grade education. He could out preach most any pastor, preacher, teacher, evangelist I have never known. He loved people. He would cry in the pulpit over the fact people were dying and going to hell. There are many people in heaven today that are there because my grandfather and grandmother led them to Jesus Christ.
Eventually my grandfather retired and we called a new pastor. He was doctrinally straight as an arrow…and not Calvinistic at all. He found out he had cancer and within a year the Lord called him home. The next pastor we had also was not a Calvinist.
I said all that just to show that we did not grow up in a church that taught false doctrine. My dad and my best friends dad, one of my uncles and a couple other men were the deacons and none were Calvinistic. My dad and his brother were strict on doctrine and both were great teachers, as was my friends dad. Her dad said of mine, I never had a brother but if I could have one I would want him to be you. (my dad)
So our families were close friends. There is an old saying here in the USA and it goes, You can pick your friends but you’re stuck with your family. :o) My best friend was kind of a wild child when we were teenagers. She hung around people that I wouldn’t hang around with. She dabbled a bit with drugs, mostly marijuana and was boy crazy. She would get aggravated when I would come over her house when she would rather go hang out with the guys. She struggled a lot back then with her salvation. One time she would say she was saved and then she wasn’t sure. But at the age of 35 she truly got saved and Jesus Changed her from the inside out. The change was noticeable.
All of that was a long time ago. As an adult she has been a big influence in my life. She knows all about me and loves me anyway. I have always trusted her with my secrets. She has always given me a safe place to fail.
She decided to change churches and joined one in the next town. After only a couple of years she left there. I really haven’t discussed much about that with her. Then she heard about a church in a college town that was about an hour and twenty minutes from where she lived. She and her daughter started going to this church. This church was Calvinistic through and through. She fell for it hook, line and sinker. They eventually started a small mission church closer to her. All of this happened in 2004. She didn’t mention anything about Calvinism to me.
In 2007 I had two hip surgeries. She brought her mom and dad down to Florida to visit with my folks. We all kind of felt like this would be the last time our parents would be together this side of heaven. We were right. My mom and dad went home in 2008. Her dad in 2010 and her mom in 2011. While I was in the hospital she came and we would talk. I don’t know why but all of a sudden during our talking I asked her if she was a Calvinist and she said yes. Honestly I didn’t know a lot about Calvinism back then. I went to visit her in Tennessee and we talked a lot about it. She gave me some papers on Calvinism and it looked at the time to be ok. I took the papers and a book back home with me. I began to study this thing called Calvinism. My dad’s momma called Calvinists, Hard-shells. That they are…a tough nut to crack so to speak.
I told my friend that I believed in the depravity of man. Man is capable of any sin, even a saved man has that capability. But I believe that depravity is a condition of the heart not a malfunction of our brains. While the lost man doesn’t seek God, God seeks him and man is able to respond to God. The unconditional election was just wrong. We must respond to the offer of God’s gift. He doesn’t just “zap” salvation on us.
The blasphemy is this Limited Atonement. I told her that limited atonement was absolutely wrong. Jesus Christ died for all of mankind. I got the old argument of well then if he died for all he was a failure to those in hell. NO, it is those in hell will have no excuse when they stand before God at the great white throne judgment. They will realize they could have been saved because Jesus atoned for their sin too but they rejected him.
I told my friend that rejecting Jesus Christ is the only sin that sends someone to hell. All of the sins that mankind does are a result of the fall in the garden of Eden. But it is the blasphemous rejection of Jesus Christ that sends one to hell.
Of course I made no headway with her. I am sad because we have not spoken since all this happened. For now I figure that she is not wanting to talk with me. Since we live 7 hours away from each other it is not a situation where we would be in the same church and I had to take a stand against Calvinism. But with that said, and as bad as it would hurt me, I will stand on truth, I will “choose this day who I will serve” I would choose Jesus Christ. I pray it doesn’t come to me having to make that choice. I love her like a sister. But I would make the choice. I have done it before and with God’s grace I would do it again.
Thanks for “listening”
Redeemed wrote:
Jacob Prasch actually teaches the false gospel of works that says you could lose salvation by “too many bad/lacking works”. Which is why he doesn’t have a problem with calvinism, which is basically the same false gospel of works except it would say that the “too many bad/lacking works” would mean you never had salvation in the first place.
He seeks an audience at any cost. Which is why he will support false teachers all over the place.
I have read many books refuting Calvinism including “What Love is This?” and “The Other Side of Calvinism”, but I recently bought a book on Kindle. If anyone is interested in this topic, this author refutes each and every proof text supporting Calvinism. He is a brilliant man who is a math genius and a lawyer. Here is the link on amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Deconstructing-Calvinism-ebook/dp/B006GHGV2W/ref=sr_1_14?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1381207816&sr=1-14&keywords=calvinism
This is as good as any work that I have come across.
Peter
Thanks so much!!
Deborah, the nice thing is that it is less than $3 if you buy it for an e-reader
Peter
I will make a plan at that price. I can afford $3 😉
Deborah wrote:
Sounds like a good plan. Can I join in on the $3 plan? Would love to read the book.
Thomas – just need a kindle and you’re good to go. Of course, the cost is $83 if you need to buy the kindle first 🙂
Aaron wrote:
You have obviously spent zero time listening to or reading Prasch because there never was a man further removed from the portrait you give.
anonymouse
We’ve spent many hours studying Jacob Prasch.
See here:
Jacob Prasch – Moderate Calvinists are Good, Hyper Calvinists are Bad.
Jacob Prasch – Twisting Scripture the Midrash Way
Moriel Ministries and MIDRASH
Jacob Prasch & Chuck Missler – Preach the False Teaching of Demonic Nephilim returning in End Times.
Discerning the World – Defence from the Attacks of Jacob Prasch
Jacob Prasch the Railer
You’ve spent many hours dissecting and criticising Jacob, you have spent zero really listening to him. If you had you would know that the quote I highlighted above is entirely untrue…you would know because you would have heard him speak, in context and fullness, and you would know that he both speaks out against Calvinism all the time, and also that he never seeks an audience at any cost. But you don’t know these things because you have not listened, your words are not based on experience and knowledge. I challenge you, in Christ, to actually spend some time listening to the man – to seek out his sermons, plenty available on the net (RadioFreeChurch/Youtube etc) and see what he really says. You may have other concerns about Prasch that are valid, on these 2 points I assure you that you are wrong.
anonymouse
How do you know what I have listened to or not? I have listened to countless hours of JP I have video’s from him coming out my ears and I in fact have not heard him once speak out against Calvinism. He does however endorse George Whitfield many many times who is a Calvinist and John Wesley who is a Methodist. Jacob Prasch is in fact an Arminian as he follows the teachings of John Wesley to the max. Calvinism is not Christian and neither is Methodism.
Just search his website and you will see.
anonymouse
Please remember this, when you got saved, it was because you were seeking Jesus Christ – Jacob Prasch had nothing to do with it. The Holy Spirit came to abide in you and He is the one that has been teaching you. Do not put men on a pedestal.
I know full well that my salvation has nothing to do with Jacob Prasch, and that he is at best just a fallible man,(hey, he admits that himself!) I’m well aware of both I assure you…I was saved for years before I ever came across him! I’m not putting him on a pedestal either, I’m well aware of his flaws, and I too have some issues with some things concerning him…but I have heard him speak, both on tape and in person and in both mediums I have heard him denounce Calvinism…he does it all the time! so I know that you are wrong on this point, as you are on other things you have said about him, it’s as simple as that. I’m not here to make Jacob Prasch out to be a paragon of anything Deborah, that is not my point, but it is unfair to say things that are wrong about him, you know that.
anonymouse
>> but I have heard him speak, both on tape and in person and in both mediums I have heard him denounce Calvinism…
The BIG problem with JP is he speaks out of both sides of his mouth, he says one thing and then says another thing that is completely opposite to what he has said in the past. He may as well have denounced Calvinism on some of the things you have heard, but as you can see from the above articles (X2) he agrees with Calvinism and Calvinists.
>> Deborah, that is not my point, but it is unfair to say things that are wrong about him, you know that
Really? lol, you kidding. THOSE ARE HIS WORDS – not mine anonymouse. You are willingly trying to ignore that facts here and argue with me on something that he has said, on more than one occasion. Don’t argue with me, question Prasch instead.
Look, you can’t say one thing and then go back and say another thing, you stick to it. And this is a big problem with Mr Prasch. He is inconsistent in what he believes and therefore he cannot be believed – at all.
anonymouse
In this article Jacob Prasch – Moderate Calvinists are Good, Hyper Calvinists are Bad.
Jacob says:
So according to Prasch everything else about Calvinism is ok except for eternal security and cessationsim. So JP is saying that predestination/Election is OK??? Apparently so, his only gripe is the Once saved always saved doctrine. –> “While Moriel and Jacob Prasch are not Calvinistic and do not accept unconditional “Once Saved Always Saved””
And then in the above article, God must bless Ray Comfort, Justin Peters, Bob De Waay, Paul Washer and John MacArthur – 5 Calvinists that “tell the truth” and “uphold God’s eternal truth and proclaim the true Gospel.” according to Jacob Prasch. If Calvinism is a false doctrine (which it is, it is from the pit of hell) how can their ministers speak the truth and proclaim a true gospel?
anonymouse
There is no difference between moderate Calvinists and hyper Calvinists a Calvinist is a Calvinist, you are either elect or you are not. So I don’t know what nonsense JP is speaking about when he says: “a distinction must be made between moderate Calvinists and extreme ones”