Replacement Theology – A Doctrine of Demons
Replacement Theology
Paul Wilkinson, the author of many books defending God’s immutable covenants with the nation of Israel (Zion and Jerusalem), among them “Understanding 
Christian Zionism” says in a radio interview with Tom McMahon:
” . . . this doctrine, whether you call it amillennialism, replacement theology, fulfillment theology, whatever label we give to it, it is a doctrine of demons; it’s not the doctrine of the Holy Spirit, it’s not the doctrine of Jesus Christ, it is something that’s been imposed upon the minds of believers throughout the generations, and we’re called to reach out to our brothers and sisters in Christ and say, “Go back to the Scriptures! Let the Lord cleanse your mind of these doctrines so that you can see clearly what He has said, what He has declared in His Word.”
- Transcript Part 1 : Audio Part 1
- Transcript Part 2 : Audio Part 2
- Transcript Part 3 : Audio Part 3
- Transcript Part 4 : Audio Part 4
The transcripts are very helpful because you can read the full interview while listening to the audio.
The Berean Call quite rightly called Tutu an arch heretic. The picture of him above with his two friends on the left show them wearing their phylacteries broad. Tutu is virtually covered in his. All we can see is his head and what’s left is the broadest phylactery I’ve ever seen.
What? no rebuke from their churches!
Are they so biblically illiterate that they don’t know Matt 23:5? If they do, why then do they not accept what it says? Don’t they realize that by not accepting it they are rejecting the words of Jesus Christ Himself? I doubt if they give it a second thought.
Stephen Sizer with his arm around a terrorist shows him to be the hypocrite he is: Arafat was not only an unashamed Moslem but a very proud one who endorsed every bit of Islam, right down to the training of children to be suicide bombers!
If Sizer is so ignorant that he does not know what the Koran teaches about Jews–teachings which Arafat openly vaunted–then he should learn a bit about Islamic history. He should especially learn what Mohammed did at Medina after promising the people clemency if they’d open their gates to his army. Medina’s gates were opened and the people were slaughtered by the Moslem hordes.
Mohammad was a liar and a murderer, pretty much like Arafat himself. Arafat boasted at Camp David, while signing a peace treaty, of what Mohammad did at Medina. Arafat said publicly to the UN that Jesus was the first Palestinian to carry a sword. No outcry then for such a blatant and even blasphemous lie from the likes of Sizer or Tutu. Arafat also made the same claim in front of Pope John Paul II, an open friend of the terrorist. Dave Hunt rightly asked why the pope didn’t publicly rebuke Arafat as he made the ludicrous lie publicly.
There again, Catholics were the first Replacement heretics.
As Arafat was a Moslem, it was incumbent upon him to practise Taqqiya. That means it was incumbent upon him to lie for Islam. (The Bible tells us clearly where ALL liars are going [Rev 22:15].) If Tutu and Sizer had any knowledge of Islam, they would have known about Taqqiya. They flaunt their own ignorance of Islam which is surely willful ignorance. After all, there are plenty of Christian writers, some former Moslems, who expose Islam for what it truly is.
All Sizer and Tutu have to do is check out what Taqqiya means and they’ll see for themselves that it is incumbent upon ALL Moslems to lie for their religion. While they are at it they could also check out Dhimmi. I take it that they are equally ignorant of Dhimmi too as they haven’t made any comments about it. If Sizer, who flaunted his friendship with Arafat, does know what Dhimmi is, then he again shows himself to be a hypocrite.
These heretics–for heretics they are–are not interested in what God’s Word says. They are so arrogant that they think they know better than the clear statements of Scripture. They agree with the words of Satan himself, “Yea, hath God said?” [Gen 3:1.]
I said Sizer was a hypocrite and I repeat it because he is.
He belongs to a nation that occupied territories virtually all over the world. And these occupied territories were of nations that were no theat to his own, unlike the enemies of Israel.
British soldiers not so long ago murdered unarmed INDIGENOUS Irish citizens in their own country on infamous Bloody Sunday. Not long after that, two British soldiers shot two unarmed joyriders dead–again Irish kids in their own nation while these so-called soldiers were not in their own. Then, a couple of years or so later, two British soldiers deliberately and callously murdered a teenager who tried to have fun with them. The murder was so despicable the lad was shot in the back as he jogged past them. They were occupying forces and the murdered lad was in his own country.
Though those four British assassins were tried and found guilty by a British (NOT Irish) court, the British media, the politicians and the powers that be in the armed forces, campaigned for the release of the “Soldiers”–cowardly assassins.
So where was the outrage of Sizer those times when his own nation carried out real atrocities? His nation’s politicians and media call lands the Israelis won in wars that were started by their enemies “Occupied territories.” These politicians and media moghuls do not call the lands the English occupied throughout the world “Occupied territories.”
And you can be sure that Stephen sizer is not going to point it out to anyone.
There was not a cheep from the Anglican or other establishment churches about the above notorious, government-sanctioned murders. Yet, these Replacement heretics, like Tutu and Sizer, make friends with terrorists and refuse to condemn them. (Tutu agreed with the violence of ANC and I cannot remember him even condemning the ANC “necklacing”.) So as they agree with Arab terrorists, they are certainly going to agree with their own nations’ terrorists.
It’s not only Sizer who is a hypocrite, Tutu is another. They are so blatant about their hypocrisy that they do not even try to hide it.
Nor do they try to hide their love for this world–of which we Christians are to come out. They agree with the UN’s stance on Israel showing that they agree with this world’s politics and the soon coming New World Order. They show there that they adamantly disagree also with the Bible. It is an offence to them.
I would loathe to be in their shoes when they stand before Jesus Christ to give account for rejecting God’s infallible Word on Israel.
These are men without mercy. This is shown when they say nothing whatsoever about Arab terrorism against unarmed Israelis–regardless of age, sex or condition and who are particularly singled out because they are vulnerable. Nor do they say anything about Arab terrorism against other Arabs and are silent when those of their own political stances commit crimes against those who don’t share them.
It is the merciful who shall receive mercy, not the merciless who hide behind religion–and religion of this world at that–which comes from the god of this world.
Jonah 2:8 states: “Those who regard worthless idols forsake their own mercy.” An idol is anything we put before God. Sizer and Tutu put their Replacement heresy before God and they do so by rejecting God’s Word (particularly on Israel). It is their idol. There is not one word of Scripture they can get to back their heresy and there are plenty of Scriptures to condemn it. So they have forsaken their own mercy.
We should pray that they repent of it.
We go so far and then God hands us over to our own ways. God did so with Pharaoh by hardening his heart, the result of us handing ourselves over to a lie. He will do so when He send the strong delusion. He says He will so we can depend on it.
My highest commendation to Discerning the World, for exposing Stephen Sizer!!!
I would like to offer you my expose of Sizer and my correspondence with him, including his unrepentant retaliatory threats against me.
Blessings,
James Sundquist
January 8, 2014
Dear Stephen Sizer,
This is my second request and followup inquiry to you regarding Rick Warren, regarding Rick Warren’s statement about his Purpose Driven Life Book: “best selling non-fiction hardback book in history”, which I refute at:
I see that as late as yesterday that you are still promoting Rick Warren. If you don’t believe me that his claim about the sales of his PDL has no foundation in fact, since you know him well, ask him directly for the date, issue, and page number of the Publishers Weekly citation. Also ask the President George Slowik of Publishers Weekly, as I did, and you will be able to verify that they have no record of ever publishing such a statement. And while you are at it, if Warren’s book is first, who came in second, third, tenth? I would think as a Christian that you would want to trust but verify. As such a boast would make your similar statement about the popularity of Rick Warren’s book (about 2 minutes in) at:
also untrue. I am surprised you, as an author, would not know that statement is farfetched and unbelievable. And where is the proof and citation that Warren’s book is even “the most popular book in the world apart from the Bible” 2:24 minutes in? Who told you that? Did you verify that?
I look forward to your prompt response.
Sincerely in Christ,
James Sundquist
Director
http://www.perfectpeaceplan.com
Dear James,
I suggest you take it up with Amazon and Charisma
“Rick Warren is one of the most influential pastors in the world and has been referred to as such by Newsweek and Time magazine. His Purpose Driven Life has sold more than thirty million copies worldwide since its release in 2003 which, according to Publisher’s Weekly, makes it the bestselling hardcover non-fiction book in history.”
But actually, instead, I recommend you find something more constructive to invest your time and energy in.
In His grace,
Stephen
Dear Stephen Sizer,
So the bottom line is that you refuse to repent! Your false statements still remain false statements on your site and Gospel Coalition. So your intent is to leave them on there? You will not alert or inform them that you bore false witness about collaborator and co-conspirator, Rick Warren, thereby continue to leave them in the dark and continue to lead them astray? So now that you know the statements by Warren, Amazon, and Charisma are patently false, you will now tell your own congregation that you misled them right? And you and these people can’t even keep their story straight. The quotes are not even consistent, and never came from Publishers Weekly. Now I can’t help but ask if why he tells me how worthless the time I spend on informing him of the this fraud, then why should I spend my time confronting Amazon or Charisma re the statement? I am glad the Apostle Paul, Jude, Peter, and John did not follow your advice regarding exposing false teachers. And why would I take this up with Amazon or Charisma? What do they have to do with this? You simply engaging in blame shifting to someone else perpetuating the same myth.
As to your ad hominem attack on me, what better time could be spent then obeying Christ and the Apostles to mark and expose false teachers and picking up the pieces of the shattered lives of Christians and churches that Rick Warren calls “Enemies of the 21st Century” and opposing those false teachers such as yourself who have abandoned Israel and scorned their inheritance, putting a curse on themselves and everyone they lead astray? You are a biblical scholar. So you read Rick Warren’s PDL book and did not find a host biblical errors? It is simply shocking and demolishes your own credibility.
Nevertheless, let the record reflect your position. I will be sure to alert my own media database and the various national radio programs I frequent.
Regarding how I should spend my time, I spend it opposing your teachings and supporting people like Walid Shoebat, [name redacted for security reasons],Caryl Matrisciana (UK and USA), David Bay of Cutting Edge Ministries, Berean Call, Southwest Radio Church, Miguel Hayworth and Bayith Ministries in the UK, and many other discernment ministries who opposes you, and publish a film documentary entitled:
GLOBAL CONSPIRACY TO STEAL THE LAND OF ISRAEL
demolishes the strongholds you promote globally:
Our DVD is mostly devoted to proving the fulfillment of Scripture Prophecy (Old and New Testaments) and the future of Israel and Greater Israel.
It was recently released and is now available at: http://www.cuttingedge.org/detail.cfm?ID=2538
Finally, you should not sign your letter “In His grace”, because you are not in his grace if you promote false teachers and teachings yourself, and further refuse to repent, so unless you do, you are in danger of Matthew 7:
Matthew Chapter 7
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Sincerely in Christ,
James Sundquist
http://www.perfectpeaceplan.com
From: Stephen Sizer
Date: Jan 13, 2014 11:43:20 PM
Subject: Your Servant
To: “rock.salt@verizon.net”
Dear James
The bottom line is that you are rude and disrespectful if fellow servants of Jesus Christ. You are fixated and have a divisive spirit. If you persist in harassing me I will happily make public your behaviour. And there will be no further correspondence until you take a more respectful approach.
In His grace
Stephen
JAMES SUNDQUIST FINAL COMMENT:
So which one is divisive, the one who divides up the land of Israel, or the one that warns this so-called brother of what is in store for these enemies of Christ and Israel that divide up the Promised Land? The one who calls those who support Israel’s right to the land, enemies, or the ones who fear the Lord and warn the world and the church what is in store for those who do? The one who forms unholy alliances with Rick Warren who makes a false claim that his book is the best selling book in history, or the one who warns everyone of this fraud and comes to the defense of the victims?
MY LETTER TO YASMINE PERNI, WHOSE FILM “THE STONES CRY OUT” IS PROMOTED AT STEPHEN SIZER’S CHURCH:
From: James Sundquist
Date: January 11, 2014 4:26:44 PM EST
To: yasmine@thestonescryoutmovie.com
Subject: re Your movie and Steven Sizer
Dear Yasmine Perni,
I read about you and your movie The Stones Cry Out”, upon visiting Stephen Sizer’s church website.
In response, I invite you to consider three things:
1. The title of your movie “The Stones Cry Out” is a phrase, as you know which is taken from Luke 19:40:
“And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out.” But it is in reference to what the Jews had just said in verse 38:
“Saying, Blessed be the King that cometh in the name of the Lord: peace in heaven, and glory in the highest.”
So the source of cries (voices) were the Jews. The object of their praise was Jesus Christ himself. It had nothing to do with Palestinians. So with due respect, you have usurped this scripture and applied these voices to the wrong people. And even if it were true, that the stones were crying out (instead of the Palestinians)…it would have been a rebuke to the Palestinians, not a compliment, and it crying out was for the purpose of announcing Christ who was born King and would one day reign as King over Israel when he sits on David’s throne, when he returns in Glory. Since when is David’s throne a Palestinian throne? Christ will destroy usurpers and enemies of Israel with the breath of his nostril and the sword of his mouth. The very first thing Christ will do when he returns is make war against all who have plundered and taken possession his land, tried to destroy Israel as a nation, and scorned their inheritance. Then he will reign over Greater Promised Land Israel.
2. Steven Sizer’s promotion of Rick Warren, you need to be alerted to this…he has responded by did not repent, but rather retaliated:
January 8, 2014
Dear Stephen Sizer,
This is my second request and followup inquiry to you regarding Rick Warren, regarding Rick Warren’s statement about his Purpose Driven Life Book: “best selling non-fiction hardback book in history”, which I refute at:
I see that as late as yesterday that you are still promoting Rick Warren. If you don’t believe me that his claim about the sales of his PDL has no foundation in fact, since you know him well, ask him directly for the date, issue, and page number of the Publishers Weekly citation. Also ask the President George Slowik of Publishers Weekly, as I did, and you will be able to verify that they have no record of ever publishing such a statement. And while you are at it, if Warren’s book is first, who came in second, third, tenth? I would think as a Christian that you would want to trust but verify. As such a boast would make your similar statement about the popularity of Rick Warren’s book (about 2 minutes in) at:
also untrue. I am surprised you, as an author, would not know that statement is farfetched and unbelievable. And where is the proof and citation that Warren’s book is even “the most popular book in the world apart from the Bible” 2:24 minutes in? Who told you that? Did you verify that?
I look forward to your prompt response.
Sincerely in Christ,
James Sundquist
Director
http://www.perfectpeaceplan.com
3. Another Biblical Perspective on the Land of Israel (which refutes Steven Sizer):
In this regard, I invite you to consider our new film documentary:
My DVD is mostly devoted to proving the fulfillment of scripture Prophecy (Old and New Testaments) and the future of Israel and Greater Israel.
It was just released and is now available at: http://www.cuttingedge.org/detail.cfm?ID=2538
Now had she done so, there would have been a missing link in the genealogy of Christ, and we might not have a Jewish Messiah for both Israel every Gentile nation.
Your argument is basically that of what Rahab’s would have been were she to not hide the spies and ultimately side with Israel, but turn them in and side with the Canaanites, because, after all, it is they who are the victims. Finally, are you proposed that all of the land inheritance parceled right down to the clans in the 12 Tribes of Israel in Ezekiel Chapters 45-48 be transferred to the Palestinians? This is also a similar argument of the Vatican and the history of the Crusades. The ultimate plot of the Roman Catholic Church was not to rescue the land of Israel and Jerusalem for the Jews, but to have the Roman Catholic Church possess it for themselves, as though they need the property…as the Roman Catholic Church is already the riches property owner in the world.
Now here is what is really going to happen with the stones (rocks). It won’t be the stones that cry out, but it will be All Enemies of Israel, included those who call themselves Christians who will be crying out for the stones (rocks) to fall on them as they live in dread of His Second Coming and judgment who claimed or stole the land of Israel for themselves, in accordance with these scriptural promises:
“And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:” Revelation 6:16
“Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.” Matthew 7:22-23
I hope and pray that you and Stephen Sizer will rescind your views, publish them, and stand with the Lord, so neither of you will not have to face the Wrath of the Lamb.
Sincerely in Christ,
James Sundquist
http://www.perfectpeaceplan.com
January 13, 2014
Dear Yasmine,
In case you have not read this review of your movie yet:
http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2013/05/palestinian-arab-christians-have-chosen-to-support-the-side-that-wants-to-destroy-christianity-2660876.html
My comment: I think you truly believe that you are doing a favor to Christian Palestinians. But what you apparently don’t realize is this. If you succeed in your campaign, and Israel becomes a Palestinian State, who do you think will rule it? A Muslim or group of Muslims. Your fellow Palestinian Christians will be less safe. Their fate will be like the Coptic Christians in Egypt or worse. Is that what you champion? And what do you think will happen to the Jews? If you don’t know, you must read the Koran. Who will protect them? Who will rescue them? The United Nations? If you think the land of Palestine would be ruled by anyone but Muslims, you are deceived. It is true that Jerusalem will be trodden under foot until the fulness of the Gentiles. But after that, it won’t be trodden by the Gentiles, but by the Jews and Jesus Christ, as their King.
Sincerely in Christ,
James Sundquist
While I don’t approve of friendship with Islam and Stephen Sizer being photographed with Yasser Arafat, Mr Sizer’s relationships with Arabs has no bearing on biblical interpretation.
Replacement Theology is a derogatory term for the biblical interpretation of Galatians Chapter 6 verses 14-16.
14. May I never boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world.
15. Neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything; what counts is the new creation.
16. Peace and mercy to all who follow this rule-to the Israel of God.
So the ‘Israel of God’ are those who are in Christ, circumcision having no further meaning nor significance!
John 11: Verse 52: and not only for that nation but also for the scattered children of God, to bring them together and make them one. (V49-52)
We have a clear prophecy that Jesus died to make the scattered people of God one people. From henceforth there would be one people of God through Isaac, the child of promise.
Jewish and Gentile believers in Christ are members of ‘the people of Israel.’
Read Ephesians Chapter 2. verses 11-22. This should be pretty clear to all! Before Gentile believers came to Christ they had been excluded from citizenship in Israel. Now however, Christian believers from any and every nation are considered as ‘fellow citizens with God’s people and also members of his household.’
Romans Chapter 2: Verses 28-29.
A person is not a Jew who is one only outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical.
29. No, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a person’s praise is not from other people, but from God.
What of physical, national Israel? Is there any possible further place for them? The logical conclusion would seem to be: absolutely not, unless they come to Christ and this is indeed what the scriptures teach. As a physical nation, Israel is now divorced by God. There is hope that at the right time they will repent and turn to Christ.
God didn’t make a mistake when the Jews didn’t turn to Christ. He didn’t make an alternative covenant. Christ’s plan of redemption was initiated before the creation of the world. There are no duel covenants. One for the Jews on earth and another one for Gentile Christians. Just one plan of redemption for Jew and Gentile alike.
Fran,
No one said that Mr Sizer’s relationship with the Arabs has any bearing on Bible interpretation. However, when you side with Israel’s enemies who are seeking to destroy her from the face of the earth it does have a bearing on your own well-being. In fact, you are then cursed by God Himself.
Indeed, there is only one plan of redemption for Jews and Gentiles alike. However, how would you interpret the following passages?
To whom is the prophet referring – the church or Israel?
The Bible clearly distinguishes between the Gentiles, the church and Israel. Dave Hunt says, and I wholeheartedly agree with him.
Fran, you obviously believe in Replacement Theology. Are you also a Roman Catholic?
It’s not called replacement theology in the scriptures just the Israel of God. Galatians Chapter 6.16.
I am a Baptist. I believe in New Covenant theology. I am not reformed or Catholic.
The bible describes Israel in Revelation 11:8 And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
Jesus was crucified in Jerusalem.
1 Corinthians 10:32 The church of God are the Christians, Jew and Gentile. ‘Giving none offence neither to the Jew nor the Gentile’ refers to the unconverted Jews and Gentiles in the community.
Rev 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth. This is Jerusalem.
The Old Covenant ended when Christ was crucified and atoned for our sins. The Old Testament and its binding laws was a shadow of the reality that is Christ. Jesus won’t restore the temple of Jerusalem with all the animal sacrifices because He was the blood sacrifice. When He returns at the Second Coming he will regenerate the earth, Christians will have a resurrected body and unbelievers will be judged by Christ. God’s Heavenly city will come to Earth and God and Christians will reign forever in Paradise. There will be no other judgements.
Zechariah 12 refers to Israel mourning because they rejected Christ.
http://www.christnotes.org/commentary.php?com=wes&b=38&c=12
Fran,
The “Israel of God” in Galatians 6:16 does not refer to the church.
While some believe – like you – that “Israel of God” is the church, the evidence does not support such a notion. The repetition of the preposition “upon” or “to” indicates two separate groups of people. In all of the 65 occurrences of the term “Israel” in the New Testament it always refers to the nation of Israel and not the church. It would have been rather strange for Paul to use “Israel” here to mean Gentile Christians. Furthermore, Paul elsewhere referred to two kinds of Jews (cf. Romans 9:6). Lest it be thought that Paul is anti-Semitic, he demonstrated by means of this benediction his deep love and concern for true Israel, that is Jews (and not Gentiles) who had come to Christ.
Jerusalem is figuratively called Sodom and Egypt because of the people’s apostasy. Now remember, during the tribulation Jerusalem will be under the rule of Antichrist (the beast that comes from the Abyss. There are countless other places in the Bible where Jerusalem is called the holy city and the city where God placed his Name forevermore. Other names are:
City of David
City of Jebus
Oasis of Justice
City of the Holy Place
City of the Great King
Only once is it called Sodom and Egypt, i.e. during the tribulation under the rule of Antichrist. But then again, the entire world will be under the rule of Antichrist during the tribulation.
Fran,
Zechariah 12 does not only refer to Israel mourning because they rejected Christ. They will mourn over their sins when they see Him whom they have pierced for their sins and consequently be saved when Christ returns at his Second Coming (not the Rapture).
The tribulation is primarily the time of Jacob’s Trouble (Israel) when God is again going to open Israel’s eyes – as He had done so many in the past – through persecution and affliction.
Tell me, who has returned and is still returning to the land of Israel and Jerusalem – the Jews or the church? The church is NOT the anti type of Jerusalem. That’s a load of nonsense. If the church was the anti-type of Jerusalem Jesus should rather have said: “O Church, Church, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.” (Mat 23:37-39). That’s just too ridiculous
You wrote:
Well you are totally wrong. There are at least two judgments – the Bema throne judgment for believers to determine who is going to receive rewards and crowns and the White Throne judgement where only unbelievers are going to be judged. Believers and unbelievers are NOT going to be judged simultaneously.
Thomas,
Israel of God Galatians 6:16 obviously refers to the Christian Church including Jews and Gentiles. Most commentators accept this.
The Romans 11 passage refers to the Jews becoming Christians after the Gentiles have been saved. It is not about Jews having Old Testament ceremonies and temple sacrifices. That has all finished. (You didn’t actually mention Old Testament laws yourself) Because of the fathers and the prophets God will bring about more Jews to Christ.
The actual descendants of the Jews in the Middle East is relatively small. Most of the Jews living in Israel are Azkhenazi Jews. They were a people living on the border of Russia and Turkey who converted to Judaism in the Middle Ages. They were the ones who migrated to Israel after WW2 because they had lost their homes in Europe. They are Europeans who embraced Judaism. This is fact. Check the history.
I realise there is a Bema judgement for Christians and the White Throne Judgement for unbelievers. It wouldn’t happen simultaneously as Christians will be separate from unbelievers. I was talking about the Final Judgement at the Second Coming (White throne judgement) for unbelievers.
The Tribulation has already occurred in 70 AD when the Romans destroyed Jerusalem and scattered the Jews. Most were killed or sold into slavery. The Christians fled the city and escaped to Pella. Check out the Josephus Home Page for details of the destruction of Jerusalem. Jesus warned the Jews in the gospel of Matthew Chapter 24 of the coming Tribulation. He was talking about an event which was to happen in their lifetime, not an event thousands of years in the future. It would be no comfort for Jesus’ followers if He was referring to events in the distant future. All these things happened within 40 years.
I didn’t say the church was an anti-type of Jerusalem. God planned the church from creation. The Old Covenant was a shadow of things to come with all its binding laws, Sabbath days, etc. Christ fulfilled the OT laws on the cross. The new covenant is only for Christians. The old testament laws were only for Israel as a nation. The people living in Israel now are mainly non Christians and have turned their back on God. There is a New Covenant. The Old one is obsolete. Read book of Hebrews.
Fran,
This site has proven many times that Replacement Theology is not only a myth but an affront to God and his promises to the nation of Israel. It demeans God and his integrity to make good his promises.
You wrote:
No one said it is about Jews having Old Testament ceremonies and temple sacrificers. It’s about God’s promises to the Jews as a nation. Nevertheless, since you’ve mentioned it, Paul of Tarsus, after he had been saved, brought sacrifices in the temple. (Acts 21:26). Furthermore, during the literal 1000 years reign of Christ on the earth (which you shun and do not believe) sacrifices are going to be re-instated in the new millennial temple. And before you get uptight, these sacrifices will merely be a reminder of Jesus Christ’s supreme offering on the cross in the same way the sacrifices in the OT looked ahead (forward) to His supreme sacrifice on the cross.
You wrote:
This is also an infamous myth which degrades and demeans God and his promises to the Jews. Read here. You seem to be of the same cadre than Bob Finley. Hope not.
You realize there is a Bema Throne judgment but deny there is a Rapture. How does THAT work for you. The Bema Throne judgment and the Rapture go hand in hand because this judgment occurs after the Rapture in heaven.
You wrote:
You really do have a small view of God and his promises, don’t you? God only made a New Covenant with Christians? Really?
By the way, what do you mean by the term “Christian” – Roman Catholics, Dutch Reformed, Reformed, Mormons, Charismatics, Pentecostals, Baptists etc., etc., etc.?
I am convinced that you have your eschatology wrong, as wrong as the guys who started Amillennialism. Their leaders were Gaius, Clement of Alexandria, Origen, and Dionysius. Totally practically all conservative expositors regard these men as heretics, not only because they attacked premillennianism, but because they also attacked most orthodox doctrines of the Christian religion.
This is from a Jewish website.
http://www.jewfaq.org/ashkseph.htm
Fran wrote:
So, what’s your point? The Jewish site says that both the Ashkenazis and Sephardics are all Jews, from different parts of the world.
Thomas,
There is no such thing as replacement theology only the ‘Israel of God’ in the scriptures. Your site has not proved that the ‘Israel of God’ meaning the Christian church (which includes converted Jews and Gentiles) is a myth. You are grasping at straws and your interpretation is wrong.
Paul didn’t continue with the sacrifices in the temple as he later wrote to the Galatians and accused them of heresy because they practiced circumcision.
I’ve never heard of Bob Finley but I mentioned that there were many Ashkenazi Jews living in Israel. The website I posted proves that the Ashkenazis were not of the bloodline of those Jews living at the time of Christ. Anyone can convert to Judaism. This has nothing to do with the Jews mentioned in the scriptures.
I don’t deny believers being caught up to be with God in Heaven at the Second Coming.
I don’t have a small view of God. Every covenant God made with Israel has been fulfilled. The new covenant is about Christ, not the Jews. The spiritual kingdom of God is now on the earth as the Christian church. Old Israel was a physical kingdom. The Jeremiah quote is a prophecy about Christ and a new covenant.
The term Christian applies to those who are born-again, who have faith, have repented and accepted Christ their Saviour and received the Holy Spirit. Some of the denominations you mentioned are not Christian but God can save people from any denominational heresy. The true church of Christ is those who are saved regardless of the denomination.
I sent the Jewish website to prove that the Ashkenazi Jews who live in Israel originally came from Europe. When I mentioned that Ashkenazi Jews originated in Europe in my previous post you got angry and compared me to Bob Finley and said it was an infamous myth.
You seem more focussed on the Jews than Christians and the gospel. Zionism is a modern day heresy.
Fran wrote:
Circumcsion is not a sacrifice. Are you denying that Paul brought sacrifices in the temple or is that also just symbolic?
You wrote:
You are obviously not reading the links I posted. Please read here and here. You seem to love the lie of which Satan is the father (John 8:44).
You wrote:
No, I am not more focused on the Jews but Jesus did say “salvation is of the Jews.” (John 4:22).
Jesus Himself is a Jew and when you say Zionism (Jewishness) is a heresy you are in fact saying Jesus is a heresy.
If there is no such thing as replacement theology, why do you say the church is the new Isreal? You are contradicting yourself.
Thomas,
Paul made a temple sacrifice once, most probably to make the Jewish Christians feel at ease and head off a confrontation. I know circumcision is not a sacrifice. I was making reference to any OT practice which is now discontinued and which Paul disapproved of.
https://www.christiancourier.com/articles/699-did-paul-sin-in-submitting-to-the-temple-ritual
I read the 2 links that is why I posted the link from the Jewish website. The Jewish site didn’t mention Ashkenazi DNA.
I know salvation is of the Jews because Christ was born into a family who were Jews.
Zionism is a heresy as it is an unbiblical theology. That doesn’t mean Jesus is a heresy because He was a Jew. That’s an illogical argument.
The term ‘Replacement theology’ was made up by pre-millennial dispensationalists. It is not found in scripture. The Apostle Paul says the church is the Israel of god. Galatians 6: 15,16.
You continue in contradictory statements and repeat yourself. In answering I have to repeat myself.
Fran wrote:
That’s your problem. You are using examples that are not relevant to the subject of our discussion. Keep to the subject and stop wandering off in things like the circumcision.
You wrote:
Why would you now suddenly rely on a Jewish website when you said “Our duty is to support bible believing Christians first and then unbelievers in mission work.” Now suddenly you want to use some obscure Jewish info on DNA when they don’t even know or believe in Jesus Christ.
You wrote:
Well, if you believe this why do you shun his promises to the Jews with regard to his New Covenant with them in Jeremiah 31:31?
You wrote:
NO it’s not an illogical argument. It is a very sound and believable argument, especially when you take into account what King David wrote about Zion in his prophetic Psalms.
King David, whose throne Jesus is going to ascend during the Millennium, (Luke 1:32-33) are both Zionists and you dare say it is heresy?
You wrote:
Romans is a perfect treatise against Replacement Theology.
NO my dear, you are the one who are contradicting yourself again and again.
Deleted!
Every title given to ancient Israel is given to the church. Yes we are chosen/ A Holy Nation/ Royal Priesthood/ previously not a nation. Replacement theology indeed!. What do we call sacrifice? The replacement of one to suffer for another. Substitution atonement. Substitution is replacement. I thank God that I am a fellow citizen of the true Israel of God in Christ through faith in Jesus. How I marvel at the wisdom of the Lord. 80% of modern Israel is atheist and are not practicing Mosaic Law. They are Khazarian European/ Tutkic not Hebrew people. Not flesh and blood of Abraham. Now that is a substitutionary theology if you care.
Peter 2:9 9But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God’s own possession, to proclaim the virtues of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light. 10Once you were not a people, but now you are the people of God; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.…
birnie. You have not replaced Israel and neither shall you in the eternities to come. Why? Because God is not as liar and all his promises are yeah and amen in his Son, Jesus Christ. (2 Corinthians 1:20).
If you reject Israel as God’s chosen people, you have in effect rejected the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (Israel). The Berean Call reports,
You should make very certain whether you are following the Jesus of the Bible and not another Jesus
Fran wrote (way back when…)
Did Fran mean to quote from NIV? Because the KJV has an ‘and’ in verse 16 meaning this was addressed to the believing gentiles AND the Israel of God who was the believing Jews. I mean it is so obvious :investigate: