Jacob Prasch the Railer
DTW exposed Jacob Prasch from Moriel Ministries here: Jacob Prasch – Twisting Scripture the Midrash Way. Not long after the article was published, Jacob Prasch unfortunately graced us with his presence and commented on the blog. Jacob Prasch had nothing nice to say; it was so bad that he even emailed us and told us there was No Euphemism for a Liar and then continued to insult, ridicule, demonize, and slander us.
Someone did a summary count of all the nasty, vile things he said. I went and did a full recount of what Jacob Prasch actually said in the comments section – shockingly this only includes 4 comments and 2 emails and excludes a comment of Jacob Prasch’s I deleted.
The list is as follows:
- 20 times liar
- 1 times slanderer
- 1 times thug
- 2 times pathological liar
- 1 times disgusting liar
- 1 times religious liar
- 1 times religious fruitcake
- 1 times ministers of Satan
- 1 times demonized liar
- 1 times filthy demon inspired liar
- 1 times stupid woman
- 1 times crackpot
- 1 times inspired by demons
- 3 times slanderer
- 1 times fraud
- 1 times narcissistic
- 1 times charlatan
- 8 times demonic
- 1 times slandering witch
- 1 times slandering witch motivated by demons
- 1 times wicked daughter of darkness
- 1 times demons from whom she unknowingly takes her orders.
- 1 times babbling religious crackpot
- 1 times cheap mouthed hooligan
- 1 times ignorant
- 1 times spiritually deluded buffoon
- 1 times servant of demons
- 1 times daughter of Jezebel
- 3 times ignoramus
- 2 times idiot
- 2 times stupid/stupidity
- 1 times lunatic
- 1 times low life
- 1 times perverted/perverse
- 1 times poisoned spirit
- 1 times diseased soul
- 1 times low ranking volunteer soldier in Satan’s arm
- 1 times service of your father the devil.
- 1 times threatening on behalf of God; “The Lord however most certainly shall deal with you, I am quite assured. Vengeance is His and He will have it. He is sometimes slow, but never late !”
And then he has the audacity to sign off…
This is the reason I have been attacked, for exposing his doctrine (please read all comments):
What does the Bible say about his shocking behaviour:
1 Corinthians 5:11 “But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.”
What is a railer, or a reviler?
It means to express objections or criticisms in bitter, harsh, or abusive language. To be verbally abusive.
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Jacob Prasch and his lack of euphemisms:
“I don’t like to revile, but it is just so hard to find a euphemism for a half literate ignoramus”
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This is not the first time Jacob has struggled to find a EUPHEMISM when calling people names. See this email he sent to John Chingford with the subject title NO EUPHEMISM FOR A LIAR. see the following comment: Jacob Prasch – Twisting Scripture the Midrash way – 2012/11/28 at 8:56 am
Thank you for “completing” my partial list. The list I compiled only included ONE e-mail and insults that were DIRECTLY aimed at you, Deborah.
I didn’t include those directed to other people, including myself.
I have a letter from Jacob regarding this which I’ll share after explaining.
I am strongly with you on the matter of his unsound speech, not gentle one bit, always seeming to strive, no meekness in instructing, questioning people’s salvation and of course the reviling. He has the manner of the accuser of the brethren, but still no one holds him to account, they say they don’t really like it, but they haven’t seemed to understand they should not even be associated with such a man.
More than once I used that passage about not keeping company with a railer, but somehow it didn’t seem to matter.
We posted your article on a FB group. Jackie Alnor came in to ask who the article was written by. Then she said, “Anyone who has ever been associated with Calvary Chapel, that includes me, according to this article is a false believer.” She added, “ Anyone who is on the up-and-up will put their name to their work” and asked again who wrote it and told us if we didn’t know, not to spread slander.
She said the “The author shows his ignorance by confusing biblical usage of midrash with rabbinic midrash – only an uneducated person intentionally trying to confuse the issues would confuse the two.”
So I asked what Biblical midrash was, and who defined it. Chapter and verse please…
As you suggested, I asked a couple of the list of my questions I had posted on your prior article regarding Shadow of the beasts. BTW, I found more problematic things in that book.
Then, Jackie Alnor started posting upon post of Jacob Prasch’s explanation of Midrash, with his typical aggressive manipulations and suggestions that those who do not agree, are foolish virgins with oil-less lamps.
She said it was slanderous for you to connect Jacob to Lonnie Frisbee, a man she said
(Later Jacob would say the same.)
Jackie continued,
So after several lengthy posts with more of Jacob’s unkind and unsound diatribes towards those who didn’t take his word for the use of Midrash. Jackie said we were repeating such garbage, (by posting your article) and those who did were
I asked her some more questions, she asked me who I was quoting, and I told her it was my own wordds and questions. So she said she was “satisfied with Jacob’s response to the biblical understanding of midrashic interpretation…”
I told her I was never satisfied by any other man/woman’s understanding, if basically we could not back up what the supposed Biblical method was, without using extra-biblical sources, which Jacob is wont to do.
A few more questions I had were left unanswered, she said anonymous authors were not to be trusted, wanted know what doctrine had been messed, where had it caused false teaching, and that your reasoning by false, guilt-by-distant-association she said. This was
Then Jackie told us that it was wickedness, and was becoming a time waster.
She came back the next day with this email she said was from Jacob Prasch
I emailed Jacob and showed him how this discussion progressed – or should I say regressed. Here’s the response I received:
Holly
Thank you very much for this comment.
It would appear we have opened a can o’ worms – nasty ugly worms
So Jackie Alnor is sitting in Jacob Prasch’s little pocket at well and possibly friends with Chuck Smith?
I love how Jacob Prasch himself tells tales and twists things and makes up stories as he goes along to blame us for things WE NEVER SAID just so that he can CAN IGNORE the THINGS WE ARE SAYING.
Incredible…
Jacob says
>>Either this fb woman can show the place where I supposedly called pre trib brethren heretics and false prophets or she is the slandering liar her words prove her to be.
>>One of us is lying. May the judgment of Christ fall speedily on the liar – it is either her or me. Let her show in this book or anyplace else where I ever once said such a terrible thing about our pre trib brethren.
You sad it Jacob, not me…
You call Pre-Tribulationists FALSE CHRISTS/FALSE PROPHETS and DECEIVERS OF THE ELECT this means you are calling us HERETICS = a dissenter from established religious teaching.
“Jesus Himself warned us of false Christs and false prophets in the Olivet Discourse, yet just as Preterists falsely teach it not longer applies to Christians because it has all (instead of partially) transpired in the events surrounding A.D. 70, Pre-Tribulationsists are left agreeing with them that it does not apply to us because we have already been raptured before the Antichrist and False Prophet become and issue.” —Shadows of the Beast, Jacob Prasch, [pg. 20]
“The rapture and resurrection cannot and shall not take place until the faithful believers can identify the ultimate two beasts of Revelation Chapter 13. The popular myth asserting the contrary as if it were an exegetical fact is a dangerous myth with must be debunked as a deception perpetrated against the Elect —Shadows of the Beast, Jacob Prasch, [pg. 21]
[Edited by DTW: 3/12/2012 – HERE IS A SCAN OF PAGES 20 and 21: JacobPrasch-ShadowsOfTheBeastQuotes-Pg20,pg21]
I have his book on kindle, and actually what you posted above was already on the thread, so he was lashing out about semantics, the word “heretic” vs. alluding to us as “false Christs and false prophets” that Jesus warned about.
So it was the “outrage” at the word heretic he never used…vs. acknowledging at all what he actually said. I couldn’t reconcile the pages on my Kindle because it has no page numbers, but I did find these statements and more in his book that are very troublesome.
You are right to call him a reviler, I knew I wasn’t a “slandering liar that Jacob said my words supposedly proved me to be”.
Again, I do pray he will humble himself if the Lord is willing, and remind him also that a servant of the Lord must not strive/quarrel (depending on his preference) and direct him to 2 Tim 2:23-26. Or back to listening to the gospel, or spending time with the Lord, his words are harsh, and unseemly, he has outbursts of wrath, he’s quick to speak words of anger. He didn’t like being reminded of sound speech that cannot be condemned so that your opponent might be ashamed… Instead, he continues to use unsound speech, and certainly not much grace.
After he wished Christ’s judgment on me, I did worry for him, and actually just prayed for the Lord’s mercy to him, and may the Lord soften his heart, and may he recognize his arrogant attitude and unkind speech, which is not tenderhearted, nor forgiving. He is not lowly and meek like Christ as we should strive for, and if feels someone is being dishonest or misrepresenting him, he only need to answer them with the right speech, love for other brethren, and without questioning everyone’s salvation who should happen to disagree with him.
If I was a Bible teacher (which I am not, only hypothetically) and someone considered me in the same camp at Pretorists I would take it that they were saying that I was a false teacher, especially if in the same sentence they referred to Jesus’ warning about false prophets.
Also, if that someone said that I was PERPETRATING
( to do or perform (something evil, criminal, or offensive); be guilty of; to commit (a blunder), impose (a hoax), etc.)
a DANGEROUS DECEPTIVE MYTH (which is a LIE) to believers I would certainly take it that I was being labeled a false teacher and a heretic EVEN IF I NEVER USED THE WORD.
What is so hard to understand about that? The words used which are a DIRECT QUOTE from Mr. Prasch’s book and mean exactly what has been said here. It is all a quibbling over the use of one word, as someone said, semantics.
It doesn’t matter that Mr. Prasch used benevolent words about those who teach pretrib as if they are best buds. You can’t have it both ways! If he truly believes pretrib is a DANGEROUS MYTH, he certainly has every right to state his convictions with no apologies or double speak.
No one has lied or slandered Mr. Prasch, but merely pointed out the inconsistency of his statements and gave an explanation of his words. That is what Bereans do. And in response Mr. Prasch consigns them to hell and calls them horrible names.
Mr. Prasch has every right to respond to the assertions, but in a civil and Christ-like manner. A servant of the Lord is to have a humble heart and be slow to anger. Civil discourse among Christians is beneficial as “iron sharpening iron”. A servant of the Lord cannot afford to have an ego because that is incompatible with the Holy Spirit.
I pray that somehow this can be reeled back in and that Mr. Prasch will realize that there are no enemies here, only truth seekers.
Certainly we all have our foibles, but we must determine to overcome the fleshly tendencies we all have.
When a person, whether they have stature or are nondescript, think they are above receiving correction that is dangerous ground.
Holly…have you by any chance looked into the Alnors? They are also part of the “corrupt tree” that is spewing out error; which can also be seen from Jackie’s comments, as she parrots Jacob Prasch. This “network” does not “think for themselves” as there is an agenda to be followed and promoted by them. Isn’t it interesting how all the “ministries” are talking about the very same subjects and “false teachers” at the same time? Hmmmmm…
Take a look:
http://www.seekgod.ca/alnors.htm
(use of any site is informational only and not an endorsement of any person, group, “ministry” or philosophy)
Psalm 119:165
King James Version (KJV)
165 Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.
Werner
Yip, I am not offended, but I am still human and it does stings a little. I have accepted that it comes with the job that I do.
It appears standing up for Jesus Christ instead of men is something not many people seem to understand. They say they love the Gospel and Jesus but they love men too at the same time. They won’t give up their ‘friends’ who are not speaking the whole truth and nothing but the truth for Jesus. They say, but my ‘friend’ helped bring me to the Lord and that is why I won’t argue with them, or he has been a great friend to me over the years and I believe him to be a Christian, but the Bible says different. It is ALL GOD’S WORK at the end of the day, the sewer and the one that watered the seeds are just ‘servants’ of Jesus Christ – NOTHING ELSE. IT IS ALL JESUS CHRIST’S DOING THAT THEY WERE SAVED. NOT MAN. As a Christian you are not to associate with people who preach another message to the Bible.
Here is a rhetorical question: how many times has Jacob called us liars?
He seems to be an authority on lies. If anybody had the time or inclination to study all the things that Jacob has said about us they would notice that he (himself) has in fact launched a tirade of lies about us by simply throwing out unsubstantiated statements about us. Also his replies on those things we question him on (especially re ecumenism) are contradictory. I will address both.
I will give some examples about the things he has accused me of, on this blog and on mine. None of them are true and none of them substantiated! You will not find these true on this blog nor on mine. I am sure Deborah, Redeemed, William Saunders etc etc can add to this.
— “This provedn liar John Chingford is the same slanderer who lied against Tony Pearce”.
— “John Chingford did misquote both Tony Pearce It seems to be his modus operandi”
— “John Chingford has in the pat lied against everyone from Bob Mitchell to Tony Pearce, so I suppose it just my turn.”
— “You have a perverse mind Mr. Chingford. Trying to link me with people I always warned of such as Lonnie Frisbee”
— “his efforts to link me via Chuck Smith to Lonnie Frisbee and Kathryn Kuhlman”
— “As with many of his sort of cessationist Calvinists”
— “John Chingford apologised for his attempts to associate me with Laussane”.
I never sought to associate you with Lausanne! I simply raised the question if you were still associated with Lausanne and why, because Moriel was still showing links to Lausanne on their site – I apologized because I later discovered that these links were OLD web pages which had (inadvertantly) not been removed. See how Jacob twists things. Twisting is a form of lying.
What about Jacob’s claim that he is not ecumenical and preaches against it. Unlike Jacob I will enclose firm hard evidence (at the bottom of this comment) that Jacob is contradictory regarding his claim to be non ecumenical. We already have shown evidence that Jacob counts amongst his ongoing friends (although he claims to disagree with them) Chuck Missler and Chuck Smith. So what about his association and endorsement of Doug Harris (of Reachout Trust) who chairs debates on the NOW ecumenical Revelation TV and Calvin Smith.
Doug Harris in 2011 made an amazing comment pro ecumenical statement in answer to this question:
So showing that Doug is ecumenical. Here is even more evidence by watching this video in early 2012, which has Doug Harris discussing ecumenism with Calvin Smith. Calvin Smith who writes on Moriel displays (on this video) that it is okay to share a platform with Catholics over a “common purpose”. He also stated that he admired the other “ecumenical” guest for the work she was doing. He made several other “ecumenical” satatements.
http://vimeo.com/41346367
Then on 1st December 2012 (yesterday) we have this article on Moriel’s website:
[Edited by DTW 3/12/2012 – Moriel Ministries after posting this comment sneaky sneaky went and removed the information to the above prayer request. But never fear, we made a snapshot. See here: Moriel-PrayerRequest-DougHarris-ReachoutTrustUK]
Of course we must pray for Doug and I do not wish to attack him at this time but pray for his healing AND revelation that ecumenism (in any shape) is wrong, but the point here is that Jacob is endorsing the ecumenist Doug Harris as an important apologetics ministry.
[Edited by DTW: 15/12/2012 – Moriel releases a prayer request and states that WE said we don’t want Moriel to pray for Doug Harris. Unbelievable. All we we doing was pointing out the ECUMENICAL TIES between Jacob Prasch and Doug Harris (in the prayer requests) – we even states above, “Of course we must pray for Doug and I do not wish to attack him at this time but pray for his healing AND revelation that ecumenism (in any shape) is wrong, but the point here is that Jacob is endorsing the ecumenist Doug Harris as an important apologetics ministry.“ But Jacob lies and states otherwise.
See snapshot: JacobPrash-DougHarris-Catholicties
So they do not agree with his views on Roman Catholicism, but view him as a Christian. Hmmmm.
Thank you John. Clearly and rationally stated FACTS as per your usual style.
If memory serve correctly, didn’t JP/Moriel withdraw from Revelation TV because they were carrying a word/faith teacher? And isn’t Doug Harris deeply involved with Revelation TV with his program which often features debates?
Obviously Doug Harris has no clue as to what constitutes the uncompromised Biblical Gospel! So how can he be a respected apologist? One should apologize for touting him in that way because it would lead others to believe his LIES. Now, there are true LIES!! If JP wants to speak about LIES, then there is fertile ground for one of his tirades. We SHOULD be outraged over ecumenical LIES like that, shouldn’t we?
If one has a TV program, one has to attract a wide audience in order to stay on the air. Therein lies the problem with huge Christian groups whether it be a mega church or a mega international ministry, or a “Christian” TV or radio network – one has to be careful upon whose toes one treads. The Apostle Paul was totally sold out to the Lord and He did not compromise one iota. The ONLY one he was accountable to was the Lord God Almighty. He was a true servant of the Lord and an example we all should follow. If the truth offends,the problem is with the hearer, not the messenger. Of course we are to speak the truth in love and guided by the Holy Spirit, but even then, the truth WILL offend.
Following On from my last comment.
Above I showed what Doug Harris (the one Jacob endorses) said on Revelation TV as recorded on this link http://www.thefreepressonline.co.uk/news/1/2297.htm
Actually, we don’t need to look at that link because it has been verified on Doug’s site “Reachout Trust” FROM THE HORSES OWN MOUTH:
Here is a link direct to Reachout Trust where Doug explains himself. Actually he seems to be digging an even bigger hole exposing his ecumenical/Roman leanings even more.
Please read from the part that has this heading “TRANSCRIPT OF BROADCAST”.
Sorry Doug but you miss the point. You suggest that if born again believers live in an area where the only church is a Catholic one that they should go to that church because THEY NEED FELLOWSHIP with christians – better to fellowship with Catholics than to not have any fellowship.
REALLY???? I would say that it would be better to have NO fellowship that to fellowship with darkness. Remind yourself 2 Corinthians 6: 14-18
“Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? What harmony is there between Christ and Belial. What does a believer have in common with an unbeliever? What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said: “I will live with them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they will be my people.”
“Therefore come out from them and be separate,says the Lord.
Touch no unclean thing,and I will receive you.” “I will be a Father to you, and you will be my sons and daughters, says the Lord Almighty.”
You do not need to fellowship with Catholcs. If there is no other christian fellowship available, then God has promised that the Holy Spirit will lead you into all truth and you will experience the fellowship of the Holy Spirit who will be your teacher.
Basically, your comments show that you are effectively working for Rome by encouraging believers to go into the temple of demons. You are falling into the same error as Billy Graham and many others.
Redeemed
>> didn’t JP/Moriel withdraw from Revelation TV because they were carrying a word/faith teacher?
From what I have read Revelation TV had a whole host of Word of Faith preachers on it’s line up, Jesse du Plantis was just one of them. ‘Simply the Truth’ is Doug Harris program on Revelation TV and will air again on 21st August 2012, so it’s still showing.
Revelation TV airs some of the following ministries: the 700 Club, John Hagee Ministries, It’s Supernatural with Sid Roth, Chuck Missler (Imagine that), The Alpha Course (This is ECUMENICAL), Joyce Meyer…
And Jacob Prasch continues to be friends with Doug Harris and calls him a brother.
Jacob Prasch doing a clean up?
Moriel Ministries after posting this comment below Moriel sneaky sneaky went and removed the information to the prayer request. But never fear, we made a snapshot. See here: Moriel-PrayerRequest-DougHarris-ReachoutTrustUK
Debs you got the date wrong (above), your post was for today and you said>> Then on 1st December 2012 (yesterday) etc.
Myfanwy
>> Debs you got the date wrong (above), your post was for today and you said>> Then on 1st December 2012 (yesterday) etc.
Nope…. I am quoting what John said…
Ooooo sorry…. I misunderstood!
Myfanwy
No problem.
Hi Debs,
I was was referring to Jacob…!! Good lesson for all of us anyhow!!
Werner
Um, Werner… so…
Are you saying that Jacob Prasch after insulting us left right and centre , “must continue to loved the gospel, and not be offended by us“? we who question him on some dubious teachings and practices and unsavory friendships with downright false teachers?
Noooo…I’m saying that if we/Jacob say that he/us love the Word, the Law, he will not insult other if corrected!! i.e. be offended!!
Werner
Oh pfewwww thank goodness 🙂 love you with lotsa hugs. Sorry I am having a ‘bad day today’ I have a nasty headache and I am just not on top of my game today.
Not your fault – I was just writing/commenting without thinking how others will interpret it!
God bless and get well soon!
Email from York
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From: York C
Sent: 06 December 2012 05:15 PM
To: discerningtheworld
Subject: jacob
Hi Deborah, York here.
After reading those things that Jacob said, I am starting to wonder whether he can in fact be trusted. We cannot call other brothers in Christ these things.
Keep us the good work.
Cheers
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York
I dunno why you email me instead of comment. I do state that I will post emails, so it’s better you just comment. You have insulted me so much in your comments that quite frankly I do not care what you think.
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Reading about Jacob Prasch and the comments and the stir and his consequent attention he has got on this blog…whether negative or dare I say even minutely positive, is what he wants…negative publicity is what he wants…that’s how newspapers in the world sell.
I cannot judge Jacob in this way but where it is clear and very obvious Jacob is full of arrogance and pride and needs to REPENT and change his attitude. He is just a sinful human-being like we all are and needs exactly the same realisation to humble himself. We must pray for Jacob…that he is convicted of this sin. Jacob forget about disgrace…we are all in the same boat but we can never be free until we are honest before God who knows all things in the heart.
The best thing is to ignore Jacob…this is something he does not want…pray for him and leave the rest up to God.He has already been exposed.
@ Michael:
With all due respect,if you saw all the pastors who promote Mr. Prasch’s teachings to their flocks and all the Christian leaders who promote him and all those who blindly follow him and those who are intimidated by him I think you would see it differently.
The Bible says we are to defend the faith and expose false teaching. Obviously DTW and LDW have hit a nerve. Perhaps enough has been done, but that remains to be seen. A passive approach is not the example set for us by the Apostle Paul.
There is nothing passive in the way approached this issue. The man is rude, vulgar, obscene and very unlikeable and has the audacity to pose as a representative of Christ. Even so this is a natural reaction and I certainly do not follow Paul…Christ is my only mentor. It appears to me that this man has many demons and torments and auguments will not bring him to repentance…there is only one who can. He is the One who said pray for them that despicably use you. There is a time and a season unto everything. You cannot reason with inflamed arrogance and pride. God must deal with him…that is if he is bonafide in his seeking of biblical truth.
Michael
>> God must deal with him…that is if he is bonafide in his seeking of biblical truth.
I pray for Jacob Prasch, that God softens his heart and his mind. I pray that Jacob one day soon starts seeking the truth and the Holy Spirit opens his eyes, instead of walling on in false teaching. I pray that Jacob Prasch could be a great God fearing man, instead of a money making machine. I pray that Jacob Prasch SEVERS all his ties with evil people (false teachers) to peruse truth and nothing but the gospel truth because he has a genuine LOVE for Jesus Christ. I pray all this in Jesus Christ’s PRECIOUS name. Amen.