Jacob Prasch – Twisting Scripture the Midrash Way
Shadows of the Beast: Jacob Prasch – Twisting Scripture the Midrash Way
So I bought the book, “Shadows of the Beast” by Jacob Prasch and didn’t really make it past the Prologue. I was kinda horrified at a number of things. I will begin to list them in this article. To start off with, Jacob Prasch is anti Pre-Tribulational rapture and bases his whole ‘idea‘ on the premise that Jesus won’t come back and Rapture the church until the anti-Christ makes himself known in the middle of the Tribulation. He uses this verse as his only backup: (2 Thessalonians 2:3) “Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;”
The problem is, Jacob is not telling us the truth, because if you go and read from the beginning of the chapter you find out that Paul is speaking to the Thessalonians, not about the Rapture, but about ‘the day of the Lord’.
2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 1 Now regarding the arrival of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to be with him, we ask you, brothers and sisters, 2 not to be easily shaken from your composure or disturbed by any kind of spirit or message or letter allegedly from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord is already here. 3 Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not arrive until the rebellion comes and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction.Talking of pre-tribulationists, Jacob Prasch says, “They must also fail to draw due distinction between the Great Tribulation and “the Day of the Lord” which are distinct time periods.” [pg. 17] Well I beg to differ.
What exactly is “the day of the Lord'”? The day of the Lord is The Tribulation made up of two parts; The Tribulation being first 3.5 years and the Great Tribulation being last 3.5 years, totaling 7 years from start to finish plus Jesus’ Second Coming!
So what 2 Thessalonians 2:3 is saying is this: The Tribulation aka “the day of the Lord” will not start until the apostasy comes first, and Jesus’ Second Coming (when He sets foot on earth) will not take place until after the anti-Christ has been reveal.
Another way to look at it is that, the Antichrist will be revealed before ‘the day of the Lord’ (or Tribulation stars) but can only be revealed right after the time of the Rapture.
Jacob Prasch says, “The Rapture and Resurrection cannot happen until the “man of lawlessness” is revealed. [pg. 22] Then he quotes (2 Thessalonians 2:3) “Let no one deceive you in any way, for it will not come unless the apostasy come first, and the man of lawlessness, the son of destruction.” He is saying that the word, “it” is the Rapture and Resurrection only. This is FALSE. As shown above, ‘it‘ is “the Day of the Lord” which encompasses The Tribulation and Jesus’ Second Coming.
Regarding the Rapture
1 Thessalonians 5:1-6 1 Now on the topic of times and seasons, brothers and sisters, you have no need for anything to be written to you. 2 For you know quite well that the day of the Lord will come in the same way as a thief in the night. 3 Now when they are saying, “There is peace and security,” then sudden destruction comes on them, like labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will surely not escape. 4 But you, brothers and sisters, are not in the darkness for the day to overtake you like a thief would. 5 For you all are sons of the light and sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of the darkness. 6 So then we must not sleep as the rest, but must stay alert and sober.Paul says: (1 Thessalonians 5:1)“But of the times and seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.” The word time here in Greek means chronos (khron’-os) in which we get the English word chronology. So, of the general chronology, of this particular time Paul says that no one needs write about it because they have ALREADY been instructed: 1) concerning the general time when Jesus said He would come and 2) concerning the particular time. So the general time CAN be known, but not the actual time. And this is a FANTASTIC message.
In (1 Thessalonians 5:2-3) Paul says: “For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.”
Time of Jacob’s trouble
It is IMPORTANT to note that the whole 7 year Tribulation period (also known as “Time of Jacob’s trouble” (Jeremiah 30:7) is considered a time of JUDGEMENT from God, not just the last 3.5 years which some seem to think. Judgments will be poured out on earth as the seven-sealed scrolls are opened consecutively by the Lamb. Judgments of the Seals, Trumpets and plagues GROWS IN INTENSITY, until you reach 2nd half of the tribulation, namely the Great Tribulation which lasts for another 3.5 years, where God’s Wrath is finally poured out IN FULL on mankind. If Jacob Prasch thinks that the first half of The Tribulation is not part of God’s wrath on earth, then I do not know what bible he is reading. Maybe he should stop reading extra-biblical books like the Midrash and pay attention to the Word of God alone to get a clue.
So how does the Rapture of the church relate to “the Day of the Lord” which happens before the Second Coming of Jesus Christ by 7 years? We know that “the Day of the Lord” will come suddenly and unexpectedly like a thief in the night, in other words, The Tribulation starts suddenly and unexpectedly. And the Rapture of the church MARKS the end of ‘the day of Grace’ and simultaneously MARKS the beginning of the ‘the day of the Lord’. As soon as the church is removed, the Antichrist is revealed and the trials and tribulations of this world begin in all earnest, the birth pangs are over, the birth begins, and no one can escape it.
1 Thessalonians 5:5-6 5 For you all are sons of the light and sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of the darkness. 6 So then we must not sleep as the rest, but must stay alert and sober.Paul tells the born again believers to be alert and sober, to watch for Jesus!
Looking for Satan
We are not to look for Satan as Jacob Prasch want us too, we do not have to identify the him and his False Prophet! Jacob deliberately writes a book twisting scripture trying to cheat saints out of the Blessed Hope. The Bible tells us we are look towards Jesus Christ only and comfort one another with the message that He will return. (1 Thessalonians 4:1-18) “15 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.“
1 Thessalonians 4:1-18
1 Furthermore then we beseech you, brethren, and exhort you by the Lord Jesus, that as ye have received of us how ye ought to walk and to please God, so ye would abound more and more. 2 For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus. 3 For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication: 4 That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour; 5 Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God: 6 That no man go beyond and defraud his brother in any matter: because that the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also have forewarned you and testified. 7 For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness. 8 He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us his holy Spirit. 9 But as touching brotherly love ye need not that I write unto you: for ye yourselves are taught of God to love one another. 10 And indeed ye do it toward all the brethren which are in all Macedonia: but we beseech you, brethren, that ye increase more and more; 11 And that ye study to be quiet, and to do your own business, and to work with your own hands, as we commanded you; 12 That ye may walk honestly toward them that are without, and that ye may have lack of nothing. 13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.Jacob Prasch mentions many ideas and mis-conceptions in his book that make it sound like Pre-tribulationsists are a bunch of false teachers that need to be dealt with urgently. I am going to list them and answer them:
1) He makes the statement that “The patriarch of Pre-Tibulationism, Dr. John Walvoord of Dallas Theological Seminary admitted there is no stated biblical passage overtly teaching a Pre-Tribulational position. Walvoord states, that “the Rapture is between the lines”. [pg. 16] So because Dr John Walvoord changes his view now we must all fall down and beg for forgiveness because a so called patriach of Pre-Tribulationism says so? I think not. Walvoord can change his mind, but the Word of God stays the same.
2) Jacob states that Pre-Tribulationists are against identifying the anti-Christ and this is a BIG problem. This is news to me, I had no idea that we were against identifying the anti-Christ because the bible tells us that (1 Thessalonians 5:6) “we must not sleep as the rest, but must stay alert and sober.” However the bible also does tell us not to focus our attentions on evil things, but to focus our attentions on Jesus Christ.
Colossians 3:1-4
1 If you then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sits on the right hand of God.
2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
3 For you are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall you also appear with him in glory.
3) Jacob states; “The Greek term for “tribulation” (thelipsis) and the eschatological testing in Rev. 3:10 are precise synonyms despite linguistic evidence to the contrary. Jesus in fact informed Christians that they would have tribulation in the world.” [ pg 17] Oh boy, talk about trying to fool us, do you think we are of low intelligence? Of course Christians will have ‘tribulation’ in this world, but if we look at Revelation 3:10 it talks about “the hour of temptation“ which refers to THE Tribulation. (Revelation 3:10) “10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.“ Jacob, should know, being the self proclaimed guru of all guru’s that an ‘hour’ in the Bible, denotes a period of time. Having “trials and tribulations” is very different from THE Tribulation, a set period of time where God pours out His judgement on the earth for a full 7 years.
Revelation 3:7, 10 7 “To the angel of the church in Philadelphia write the following: “This is the solemn pronouncement of the Holy One, the True One, who holds the key of David, who opens doors no one can shut, and shuts doors no one can open: 10 Because you have kept my admonition to endure steadfastly, I will also keep you from the hour of testing that is about to come on the whole world to test those who live on the earth.The promise of verse 10, like all the promises to these different churches, is for every true child of God: “Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.“ This is the Lord’s own pledge to those who love His Name and seek to keep His Word – they will not be left down here to pass through the appalling tribulation that is just ahead of those who “dwell upon the earth.” This expression is found frequently in the book of Revelation. It does not simply mean those who live in the world. A careful reading of the various passages in which this peculiar term is found will make it clear that “the earth-dwellers” are in contrast to those whose citizenship is in Heaven. They are persons who, while professing to be Christians, refuse the heavenly calling. They prove by their earthly-mindedness and worldly ways that they really belong to this world. All their hopes and their treasures are here. The Lord has said, “Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.” [Emphasis added] — Dr Henry Ironside
4) Jacob states that Pre-Tribulationsists flounder because “they equate the removal of the Holy Spirit with the removal of the church. This is a mistaken eschatology resulting from a mistaken pneumatology; they misunderstand the doctrine of the Holy Spirit, which results in a further miscomprehension of 2 Thessalonians.” [pg. 17] We misunderstand the doctrine of the Holy Spirit now do we? No Jacob. We understand it fine. It’s Jacob who is making up stories here to fill pages in his book. Jacob believes that when we say that the Holy Spirit removes the church during the Rapture, he actually thinks we mean the Holy Spirit goes forever, good-bye, and the rest of the people on earth have to make do without Him. Nope, we know that the Holy Spirit is then poured out as God once again shifts His attention back to the salvation of Israel during the 7 year Tribulation period.
Acts 2:17
17 ‘And in the last days it will be,’ God says, ‘that I will pour out my Spirit on all people, and your sons and your daughters will prophesy, and your young men will see visions, and your old men will dream dreams.5) He states 2 dangers to the Pre-Tribulationist view:
a) That we will not be prepared for the reality of the Tribulation. “Forewarned is forearmed” Jacob Prasch says [pg 19] . Really? What does he plan to do to hide away in a bunker in his garden from God’s judgments during the first 3.5 years of the THE Tribulation?
b) His second concern is that we (Pre-Tribulationists) won’t know who the anti-Christ and False Prophet will be, and this according to Jacob Prasch is a huge problem. This is ridiculous because as born again Christians we will have an inkling to who it could be because the bible tells us to keep watch for the signs of the times, as it means Jesus’ return is getting closer and closer, but there is no need for us know identify him because we will be raptures right before He makes himself known to the world and the Tribulation stars.
1 Thessalonians 5:5-6 5 For you all are sons of the light and sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of the darkness. 6 So then we must not sleep as the rest, but must stay alert and sober.6) Jacob then calls Pre-Tribulationsists false christs/prophets, deceiving the Elect.
a) “Jesus Himself warned us of false Christs and false prophets in the Olivet Discourse, yet just as Preterists falsely teach it not longer applies to Christians because it has all (instead of partially) transpired in the events surrounding A.D. 70, Pre-Tribulationsists are left agreeing with them that it does not apply to us because we have already been raptured before the Antichrist and False Prophet become and issue.” [pg. 20]
b) Jacob says we are not the Elect, we are false Christians, false prophets; “The rapture and resurrestion cannot and shall not take place until the faithful believers can identify the ultimate two beasts of Revelation Chapter 13. The popular myth asserting the contrary as if it were an exegetical fact is a dangerous myth with must be debunked as a deception perpetrated against the Elect [pg. 21]
False Christ/False Prophet, deception perpetrated against the Elect; this is tantamount to calling us Heretics = a dissenter from established religious teaching.
7) Jacob says more and more people are fortunately turning away from the “erroneous nature of Pre-Tribulationalism and the need understand how to properly identify the final Antichrist and False Prophet – the beast of Revelation 13.” [pg. 20] Yes more people are apostacising and turning away from Jesus Christ and focusing their attention on Satan instead. You are helping fulfill 2 Thessalonians 2:3 “…. For that day will not arrive until the rebellion comes …”
8) Jacob says, “If only those who have wisdom will understand how to calculate the number of the beast (Rev. 13:18), and if it requires the true believers (whose wisdom is Christ), then who will be here with the wisdom to do the calculation? These cannot be the tribulation saints because if they had the wisdom they would not be here either.” [pg. 19]
Revelation 13:18
18 This calls for wisdom: Let the one who has insight calculate the beast’s number, for it is man’s number, and his number is 666.The bible does not say we have to know, it says, let the one who has insight calculate the number. By the time THE Tribulation starts and the Holy Spirit is poured out on the earth, people will have the wisdom to calculate the number of the beast and know who it is for sure. Or is Jacob contradicting himself and saying that the Holy Spirit won’t be on earth during THE Tribulation? Contradictions, galore in this book.
9) This is a classic: Jacob accuses Pre-tribulationists of saying that the apostasy is actually the Rapture. He says, “Some even venture so far as to identify the apostasy (apostasia) as the Rapture, not, as the context dictates, the departure from the truth when a delusional judgment comes upon those rejecting the truth they once professed. (2 Thes 2:10-11) [pg. 20] I have never heard of this before, Jacob must have dug deep to find this nonsense to add to his book to paint us with a tarred brush. If one looks at how Jacob Prasch has twisted the truth, one would think he is under a strong delusion. (2 Thes 2:10-11)
10) Jacob Prasch says “that a very good translation of Laodicea is as a compound Greek term lao-dikaomai meaning “people’s rights” or “people’s opinions”. Pre-tribulationists may have a right to their opinion, but they have no right to expect others to believe it when they themselves admit they cannot prove it with a single verse or passage by an inductive exegetical means” [pg. 21] Jacob, Pre-Tribulationists have never denied that they cannot prove their position. If you have found someone who has changed their eschatological view, it’s only because if you look deeper you will find that more than likely their entire doctrine is suspect. If we look at you with a magnifying glass, we find that you twist scripture, fellowship with men who follow doctrines of demons, insist that Christians spend their time identifying Satan, and use extra biblical manuscripts called the Midrash to interpret the bible thereby completely negating the Holy Spirit – see below:
Jacob Prasch was asked by Richard Engstrom this question:
“Can a group of sincere, literate, English speaking people in isolation from the rest of the world, come to a COMPLETE understanding of ALL that God deeds to us through the Bible, if all they have in their possession is a KJV without notes (without Midrash, without Eidersheim, without Josephus)?”
Jacob’s answer was complicated, high-handed – but his basic reply was “NO!”
Engstrom comments:
“No matter how you slice it, his answer was NO! He denies that YOU, dear reader, can come to a COMPLETE understanding of ALL that God deeds to us through the Bible, if all you have in your possession is a KJV without notes (Midrash, without Eidersheim, without Josephus). You be the judge. Did I misrepresent his answer or not?”
Jacob’s full answer is now given:
“The Word of God was given in Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic – not Elizabethan English. I accept the infallibility of the original manuscripts in the original languages, and not the infallibility of any translation, be it KJV or otherwise. Literacy in English is not a major factor, scripture demonstrates the importance of bringing out the original meaning in the original languages (e.g. Neh. 8:8 where after the captivity most people no longer knew Hebrew so the original Hebrew meaning had to be explained ). Hence, because I believe in the priority of the original languages (I have more faith in the bible than I do in translations of it ) MY ANSWER To YOUR FIRST QUESTION IS NO.” —http://www.apostasynow.com/articles/midrash.html
Please read this article: MIDRASH: THE CAMEL’S NOSE
We only need Jesus Christ to understand the Bible:
Revelation 3:7-8
7 “To the angel of the church in Philadelphia write the following: “This is the solemn pronouncement of the Holy One, the True One, who holds the key of David, who opens doors no one can shut, and shuts doors no one can open:
8 ‘I know your deeds. (Look! I have put in front of you an open door that no one can shut.) I know that you have little strength, but you have obeyed my word and have not denied my name.
The Lord spoke of Himself as “…the True One, who holds the key of David, who opens doors no one can shut, and shuts doors no one can open” (3:7). This verse is clearly a reference to Isaiah 22:22. In that Isaiah passage he who had the key of David was the treasurer of David’s house. There it is said of Eliakim, “The key of the house of David will I lay upon his shoulder; so he shall open, and none shall shut; and he shall shut, and none shall open.” The remainder of the passage shows that Eliakim was a type of the Lord Jesus Christ, the one on whom should be hung all the glory of His Father’s house. He, by His Spirit, opens the great treasure-house of divine truth, and none can shut it. On the other hand where there is perversity of spirit and an unwillingness to walk in the truth, He shuts and none can open. So He has said elsewhere, “If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness” (Matthew 6:23).
It is blessed to realize that, while Christ is said to have the key of David, there is another sense in which we see that He is the key. By the presentation of Himself to the souls of His people He opens up the treasures of His Word. Thus Christ is the key to the Holy Scriptures, and no other is needed. To understand the Bible you need only to know Christ. [Emphasis added] — Dr Henry Ironside
The Bible is clear, no Midrash, no other extra biblical manuscripts or tools, just Jesus Christ is needed. Jacob Prasch does not tell us the truth when he tells us that we need other tools to understand the Bible.
What is Midrash?
If we go and read about Midrash here on Moriel’s website, we can clearly see that something is very very wrong.
The Midrash definition is extremely vague, so much so that Jacob Prasch says,
“Unless someone has been educated in Judaism, Hebrew, or theology, it is easier to demonstrate midrash than to explain it.”
How peculiar, why can’t he explain it, are we not smart enough?
Strangely enough Wickipedia can explain it.
Midrash (Hebrew plural midrashim, lit. “to investigate” or “study”) is a homiletic method of biblical exegesis. The term also refers to the whole compilation of homiletic teachings on the Bible.
Midrash is a way of interpreting biblical stories that goes beyond simple distillation of religious, legal or moral teachings. It fills in many gaps left in the biblical narrative regarding events and personalities that are only hinted at. [1]
So it helps you “go beyond” teachings and “fill in the gaps” of the Bible; that is very interesting – basically you are adding “extra biblical revelation” to the bible. Jewish websites and others will admit Midrash is a collection of stories, allegory, history, scientific observations and legend. Jacob claims the word Midrash is supposedly mentioned in the bible, as he claims here in this article: What does the Word of God Actually Say About Midrash?. But then we need to ask ourselves so is Enoch mentioned in the Bible, this does not mean we now can read the Book of Enoch as something inspired.
I went to go and look through the bible for the word “Midrash” and I can’t find it, but then after reading Jacob Prasch’s articles, the word “Midrash” does actually appear, as the word “story” – this is what Jacob deems to be “Midrash” in the Bible.
Strong’s Number H4097 matches the Hebrew (midrash), which occurs 2 times in 2 verses in the Hebrew concordance of the KJV (2Ch 13:22; 2Ch 24:27)
1) study, exposition, midrash, record, story a) writings of a didactic nature b) midrash – transliteration of the Hebrew wordRoot Word (Etymology): Hebrew (darash) – Strong’s Number H1875
meaning to resort to, seek, seek with care, enquire, require, search be it of God or of heathen Gods.
Hmmmm. Really? I think someone is a trying to make the Bible fit the Midrash. Just because the word ‘story’ means Midrash, and the root of it means to ‘seek’, it does not mean we can use stories and fables or ancient methods of study to investigate the bible.
Prasch states:
“You will never understand the Book of Revelation with the kind of limited approach to biblical interpretation that is taught in Protestant seminaries. Midrash is like a quadratic equation or a very complex second order differential equation, a thirteen or fourteen step equation. Some people take the first step of grammatical-historical exegesis and think the equation is solved” [Emphasis added]“The problem with the Reformers is that they only went so far. They made rules governing the application of their grammatical-historical system in order to refute medieval Roman Catholicism, and many of those rules are still taught in theological seminaries today. [Emphasis added]
Jacob Prasch claims that you need to be well educated in Greek, Hebrew and a whole host of other rabbinical teachings to “truly understand scripture“. This sounds very much like Roman Catholicism who only speak in Latin (so that you don’t understand) and tell their converts that they will never be smart enough to understand the bible; so you need to rely on specialist experts in all forms of theological studies to give you the message instead.
As I mentioned above, scripture is clear, you only need the indwelling of the Holy Spirit to be able to understand scripture and Christians through-out the centuries have done fantastically fine without Jacob Prasch and his Midrash. Judging by the way Jacob has handled such simple scriptures as those mentioned at the very beginning of the article, I would say that a Reformer from a few hundreds of years ago could run circles around him and teach him a thing or two on CORRECT BIBLICAL INTERPRETATION.
But according to Prasch, it is just so terrible to think that the Reformers only went so far in their faith and could go no further without the Midrash. It would seem Jacob Prasch is trying to take us back to the dark ages where the little people have to listen to the big people with regards to what the Bible says. See (Galatians 4:2-12) This is unbiblical.
Midrash and Kabbalah
And now we come to the FACT that there is a connection between Midrash and Kabbalah. Surprise!! Now, they say that the earlier Midrash differs from the later Medieval versions, but I mean who is pulling the wool over who’s eyes here? These Jewish manuscripts, writings and studies are not OT Biblically inspired – this is where some of the Apocrypha (Magisterium, Canon Law, Sirach, Maccabees, Tobit, Judith, Wisdom, Susanna) comes from.
Let’s go back to the Wickipedia definition of Midrash:
“Midrash (Hebrew plural midrashim, lit. “to investigate” or “study”) is a Hebrew term referring to the not exact, but comparative (homiletic) method of exegesis (hermeneutic) of Biblical texts, which is one of four methods cumulatively called Pardes. The term midrash can also refer to a compilation of homiletic teachings (commentaries) on the Tanakh (Hebrew Bible), in the form of legal and ritual (Halakhah) and legendary, moralizing, folkloristic, and anecdotal (Aggadah) parts.”
What is Pardes?
“The term, sometimes also spelled PaRDeS, is an acronym formed from the name initials of these four approaches, which are:
eshat – “plain” (simple) or the direct meaning.
Remez – “hints” or the deep (allegoric) meaning beyond just the literal sense.
Derash – from Hebrew darash: “inquire” (seek) – the comparative (midrashic) meaning, as given through similar occurrences.
Sod (pronounced with a long O as in gold) – “secret” (mystery) or the mystical meaning, as given through inspiration or revelation.
Really? “Secret, mystery, mystical meaning, as given through inspiration or revelation.”
It would seem that mysticism is denounced when it comes to other preachers who delve into it and even Jacob and his ministry are quick to label them as false teachers, but it is biblical when it comes to Midrash? How is this possible? What stories has he spun over the eyes of those following him, that they have swallowed up the lie? The Midrash is nothing but a very sly and sneaky way of getting believers involved in mysticism.
Multiple meanings for the Bible?
“Midrash makes heavy use of allegory and typology to illustrate and illuminate doctrine, but never as a basis for doctrine. It sees multiple meanings in Bible texts found in strata,” [Emphasis added] — http://www.moriel.org/articles/sermons/midrash.htm
- Using Midrash to search through the Bible to illustrate and illuminate the doctrine – instead of the Holy Spirit who illuminates.
- You need a Jewish Rabbi to explain Midrash to you before you can have the “secret key” that will open the door to understanding.
- Use Midrash to searching for “secret knowledge“
- Using Midrash to finding “multiple meanings” in the Bible. Apparently the only way to find God’s proper truth is if you have multiple meanings.
Gnosticism teachers that the Bible cannot be understood as it is, you need to have a “secret key” which unlocks the “hidden mysteries” in the texts. This is EXACTLY what Jacob Prasch presents to us under the banner of Christianity.
The Bible says…
John 14:26: But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
You do not need to understand Hebrew or Greek, or have a degree to understand the Bible, all you need is the Holy Spirit abiding in you. Anyone who tells you that you need to look outside of scripture in order to understand it is not telling you the truth.
John MacArthur
a) Jacob Prasch says that Dr John Walvoord is a good man, excellent preacher and author like John MacArthur. [pg 16]
Who is John MacArthur? A Calvinist who preaches that Jesus did not die for the whole world but for the Elect only. He preaches that you are not saved, you are CHOSEN by God before birth and that if you are Elect your children will be Elect. John MacArthur denies the Blood of Jesus Christ and says it’s ‘just liquid’. John MacArthur believes in a works based Salvation, called Lordship Salvation.
b) Jacob says, “Among these bretheren are some of my closest personal friends who seek to uphold biblical truth in an age of apostasy where it is being eroded. Among these are Dave Hunt, Dr Arnold Fruchtenbaum, Dr David Hocking, Pastor Chuck Smith, Dr Thomas Ice, Dr Randolph Price…” [pg. 16]
I’m only going to focus on Chuck Smith. Chuck Smith is the founder of Calvary Chapel in Costa Mesa and the Jesus Movement in the 70’s that Jacob Prasch says he belonged too in the hippie days. See Shadows of the Beast [pg.19]
Chuck Smith close and personal friends with Jacob Prasch
Who is Chuck Smith:
“Actually “the Calvary Chapel Movement was essentially spawned by Lonnie Frisbee, not Chuck Smith. It was Chuck’s embracing of Frisbee that drew the massive crowds of young hippies during the Jesus Movement…who then grew up and were Institutionalized by the opportunistic and shrewd Businessman, Chuck Smith.
Can a healthy Spirit-Led Movement of God be founded upon a man, Lonnie Frisbee, who was doing LSD and having homosexual relations with other men on Saturday…and then preaching the “real” Jesus Christ and Gospel on Sunday?
Lonnie Frisbee’s life and struggles with drugs and homosexuality is well documented. He died of AIDS as a result of his homosexual lifestyle. A very sad end I wouldn’t wish on anyone.
Kathryn Kuhlman, another Calvary Chapel and Chuck Smith partner that was instrumental in the genesis of the Movement is hailed as the major influence in Benny Hinn’s life. The hyper-Charismatic “faith healer”,
Kuhlman, was very close to Smith and very much a part of the early days of CC.
Chuck Smith intervened with a Church Discipline Process with regards to David Hawking’s Adultery and sex scandal, circumventing another Church’s Scripturally motivated disciplinary process.
The list of scandals and cover-ups in Camp Calvary Chapel, Chuck Smith’s Progeny, is astounding. This site documents the tip
of the Ice Burg (but we’ll get to many others in time, and the list keeps growing as more people contact me with information).
A defense I’ve heard from some in the Online Discernment community, the supposed “Watch People” of “Sound Doctrine” and “Apostasy” etc. is, “Well, Chuck Smith is a gifted bible teacher”…and that excuses the Scandals and lack of following Scripture in dealing with sin in the Camp.
Well, what happens if Chuck Smith is preaching Heresy with regards to a Core Doctrine of the Faith? Can Chuck Smith be “wrong” and have a “wrong interpretation of Scripture” on a foundational issue like the Resurrection? Personhood? (Who the “real me” is).
I submit that Chuck Smith cannot be wrong on the Doctrine of Resurrection and be trusted as a true Prophet of God. The issue of Resurrection is key to our Faith. If one is “wrong” on the Resurrection…then others (Gnostics, Emergents, RCC, Mormons, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, you name it) can be “wrong”, too, and it shouldn’t rise to the level of calling out the different “interpretation”…if we can just ignore something as serious as a Heretical View of the Resurrection of Jesus Christ and of the Saints.”
“What does Chuck Smith say about who “we” are as “the Real Me”? What is Chuck Smith’s teaching regarding the Doctrine of Resurrection?
Chuck Smith teaches that (in his own words, see video) that “the REAL ME is spirit“…classic Gnosticism.
Chuck Smith goes on to teach a Doctrine of Resurrection of both Jesus Christ and the Saints where “your spirit LEAVES your body” and “goes into a NEW body” after you die. Classic Jehovah’s Witness Theology.
He goes on to explain that Jesus Christ had a “similar but different” body when He Resurrected. It is not the “same” Physical Body that has been Glorified, but rather the “spirit” of Jesus (and our “spirit” who is the “real me“) LEAVES our “old bodies” and then migrates to a “new body“…some Quasi-Spirit Body. This is Heresy.
I call on Chuck Smith and Calvary Chapel to repent of their Heresy regarding the Doctrine of Resurrection. They cannot be “wrong” on this Core Foundational issue as the Gnostics and Jehovah’s Witnesses are. If we compromise the integrity of this Foundational Truth…then we are on a Slippery Slope and we are preaching a “different Jesus”.
There is no “old body” in the Tomb that Jesus arose from. Jesus Christ has “one” Literal Physical Earthly Body that was Glorified. We have one Literal Physical Earthly Body that is “the real us” that is Glorified. Jesus’s “spirit” and our “spirit” does not “leave our old body” and migrate to some “new body” that is a Quasi-Spirit Body. That is JW and Gnostic and off the Reservation of Christian orthodoxy.” [Emphasis added] — http://calvarychapelabuse.com/wordpress/?p=998
2 Corinthians 6:14-15
14 Be you not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship has righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion has light with darkness?
15 And what concord has Christ with Belial? or what part has he that believes with an infidel?
Ephesians 5:11
11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
[deleted by DTW because I am getting a bit tired of reading your ugly ugly words – FACTS ARE FACTS – trying to twist things to make them seem like I am a liar is not going to work for THOSE who are willing to listen to the Holy Spirit WARNING them about YOU AND YOUR MINISTRY. Facts are facts and they ain’t goin’ away. ]
[Edited: Comment moved from here: Joyce Meyer – Shocking False Teachings and Quotes ]
Joyce Meyer on American TV concerning her favourite subject of fund raising stated that in the original biblical languages the text teaches that if you give money to The Lord ( her “ministry”) God gives you a receipt so when you want something you go o God with your receipt and He is obligated to pay up.
This is blasphemy. God is no man’s debtor and the earth is His and all it contains. If God owed anyone anything He would not be God. We owe Him, He does not owe us.
In fact the Hebrew term for receipt is ‘Caballah’ from where we get the term for the occult practice of mystical Judaism. In Greek, we have two words .
The first is found in John’s passion narrative and it is ‘Telostsiai’ meaning paid in full. It was the kegal term in a stamped bill of goods whose account had been settled. When Jesus died in our place the penalty for our sin was paid in full. The other is gound in epistles and it us ‘Arabanon’, usually translated into English as pledge or ernest. The Holy Spirit is our receipt/ or Arabanon. When Jesus comes He sees who has the receiot ir Arabanon, that is His Spirit whose sins are ‘telostai’ by His own blood and He picks up the parcel as it were; this is the episunagoge of Thessalonians that is the rapture when we meet the resurrected saints in the air.
None of these Greek or Hebrew terms has anything to do with money. Joyce Meyer and Deborah are two of a kind – proven and documented religious liars.
—[DTW note: Jacob Prasch, Chuck Smith, Chuck Missler = 3 peas in a pod – proven and documented false teachers.
Funny, you make money selling the gospel Jacob, not I, you are like a little version of Joyce Meyer. You should compare business plans one day, I am sure she can give you a few pointers on what next to release on DVD that will make big bucks!]
Jacob Prasch
I find #177 confusing. Deborah has exposed Joyce Meyer as a false teacher. Does Mr. Prasch believe she lied about Joyce Meyer?
Obviously he is not pleased about comments concerning his ministry, but what has this got to do with Joyce Meyer? Surely he would agree with the article about Joyce Meyer.
Also, Deborah does not solicit funds or have any materials for sale. This seems so irrelevant.
Redeemed
I think Jacob has lost it, quite frankly. He will make up anything to trash my name, hence the Joyce Meyer comparison. No validity in his statement, but he will say it anyhow.
[Edited: Comment moved from here: When will the Rapture Happen?]
Mr Prasch,
Firstly I would appreciate it if you would spell my name correctly, if you are going to mention me in one of your rants. It is MYFANWY NOT MAWANY.. thanks.
Secondly, you really do need to get someone to edit your ‘comments’. For such an educated man your spelling is atrocious! This makes it hard going to read what you say.
Thirdly, I am totally disgusted with your name calling, and perhaps if you could take a breath and seek the Lord’s guidance instead of just acting like a bull in chase mode, you might realise that Debs,John, and others, all have relevant questions and concerns.
Lastly, as I said before, I am not getting into the specific details of what is being discussed, as I do not feel that this is my battle,one, and two, there are plenty of comments being posted that prove you to be a man without sound judgement or Godly wisdom.
Jacob, you seem willing to drag your name and your ministry’s name through this ‘mud’ to justify yourself (your pride). Would it not be easier and much more astute (having or showing shrewdness and discernment, especially with respect to one’s own concerns) of you to be reasonable towards those that question you? What possible gain will you have for yourself or in fact, far more importantly, the Lord, by sending venomous emails and posting these awful, rude comments? I will sincerely pray for you Jacob, I will ask the Lord to soften your heart and open your spiritual eyes so that you can be a true ambassador for Christ. I might not be a great leader, bible scholar or a person of any significance, but I do know that God hears my prayers and answers them. Humility and prayer are a powerful combination. Profuse words and pride are a killer.
Mr Prasch
On my blog you left a comment which included:
Wow, that sounds very much like a blasphemous comment to make. I will explain why in two parts.
Firstly you are blackening the very nature of Jesus and secondly you are putting yourself on the same level as Him, giving yourself the right to do/say the things that only Jesus has the right to say or do.
I will now address this in more detail
First: why does it blacken the nature of Jesus?
Only ONCE in the NT (as far as I can recall) did Jesus ever call anyone the son of satan. In addressing the religious leaders he said “you are of your father the devil”. THIS WAS AN EXCEPTION. He also said “woe to you scribes and pharisees”. Was that an insult or a warning? It was a warning (because the word indicates a warning) that if they did not repent something terrible would happen. Jesus NEVER reacted out of temper tantrums. His words (even in anger) were ALWAYS full of compassion and love.
After Jesus said “woe to you” He ended by showing his compassion by saying “how often I would have gathered you together as a hen gathers her chicks but you would not”.
Other times Jesus said some hard things, as did the apostle Paul “you brood of vipers”. Was that an insult? No, again He was showing that the pharisees were poisonous in the things they spoke and was calling them to repent – not out of hate but out of real love, mercy and compassion.
Second:
Jacob, you are actually putting yourself up on a pedestal on the same level as Jesus.
Do you think you have the right to judge the heart and mind of individuals? We only have the right to judge the words spoken whether they are true or false.
ONLY JESUS knows what is in a man. Only He knows the condition and intentions of our heart. Only He knows what we are thinking. Therefore, you have absolutely no right to call people sons or daughters of satan. Whilst Jesus rarely said such things, you are frequently using such words.
You do not know my heart. Only Jesus does!
However, Jesus did say
“out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks”.
I cannot and do not have the right to judge your heart Jacob, but I can see that there is something wrong because of the words you speak.
You may say that the apostle Paul said some harsh things. Let me ask you Jacob, were you around at the time of Jesus to be an eye witness of Jesus’s life, death and resurrection? Only those who were entrusted to start the church were given apostolic rights. However, even then, they acted mostly with REAL love, mercy and compassion. It was only when the church and the new covenant of grace were being endangered that they spoke out, but it was filled with a much more tender attitude than you are showing.
Quite honestly, as a leader do you measure up to the instructions given to Timothy regarding what a leader looks like?
Regarding Jesus. He is the Son of God, the alpha and the Omega, from everlasting to everlasting, is perfect, is Lord of Heaven and Earth etc etc to infinite.
He has a GOD given right to judge us. Only He searches our hearts, Only He knows the right measure to use, i.e judgement mixed with GREAT compassion, mercy etc etc.
Please come off your pedestal and start showing humilty, brokenness showing compassion and mercy and leave those things which belong to God to HIM. Please get back to exposing false teachers and cease with your ungodly, unloving, hateful insults.
All this is very, very sad. I have been following this thread, I comment very little on this site because I don’t hold to Dispensational views. I have been called a Calvinist here (not that I mind!) although I have never introduced myself to anybody with that label; I am a blood bought believer in the Lord Jesus Christ.
Jacob Prasch is his own man, and he alone will be accountable to his maker for everything he has ever said and done (Hebrews 4.13).I have said before that I have learnt much from his teachings, however I certainly don’t condone his speech on this blog.
Myfanwy, I believe that Jacob meant MANY! If you look at your keyboard you will see the proximity of the ‘A’ to the ‘W’, it may well be that he pressed the two keys together at the same time!!
You are probably sensitive to the miss spelling of your name because of what went before on this very site.
Let me quote from a great servant of God from times gone by..
‘Would we know whether we are really converted? Would we know the test by which we must try ourselves? The surest mark of true conversion is humility. If we have really received the Holy Ghost, we shall show it by a meek and childlike spirit.’
J.C.Ryle 1856
Distraction…it’s an evasive maneuver. Too bad Jacob thinks anyone here will fall for that. BUT, desperate men do desperate things!
Micheline
No I would not read Andrew Murray, I have my suspicions about him: Healing and Revival
Marion
Distraction, is exactly what he is trying to do… you are absolutely right.
Colin
Yes it is very very sad.
Just a note: J.C. Ryle is a Calvinist and held the view of Election.
Just saying 😉
Colin, thank you for commenting despite your differing views. It goes to show that the way we treat each other as believers goes beyond any differences we may have. Harsh language and name-calling is never a fruit of the Holy Spirit. I agree that it is most sad to see such trash-talking coming from the leader of a Christian ministry. I hope you took notice that it was not returned in kind.
Colin, I did not mistake what Jacob said, he was referring to ‘Redeemed’ and myself.. quote: Redeemed and the Mawany etc. who believe her on face value without examining the facts themselves which prove she lied are in violation of… I am not sensitive due to what happened before with Joe. Joe was being deliberately nasty. I am just informing Jacob that he should spell people’s names correctly if he is going to bring them into a comment he makes. I would expect the same from anyone.
I agree Colin, Jacob will be accountable to the Lord as we all will. My personal belief is that he has heaped coals on his head by being so rude and arrogant. I am sure he would have received a different reaction had he chosen to answer the questions he was asked, in a reasonable, peaceful manner. I knew John long before I knew Debs, and John used to speak very well of Jacob, but there came a time when John told me he was concerned about things Jacob was teaching etc. I have never studied Jacob’s teaching and I have said on here that this is not my battle.
I can understand that Jacob might be finding it hard to have his books criticised, and indeed his beliefs too. Maybe there were things said that had not been properly verified, and he was linked to people he should not have been linked to. He first sent his friend Chris to answer on his behalf, which would have been fine had the message been considered and polite. Then Jacob sent a series of vitriolic emails, calling Debs and John, all manner of disgusting names. If he had just stuck to the subject and given truthful answers, he would not have been so badly received.
Jacob and others put themselves ‘up’ as ministers and teachers,supposedly examples of Jesus love and humility. They are supposed to stand for the truth of the Word. They should expect, and in fact, demand, that we find them accountable and that we ask questions about what they teach. They should react with peace, mercy, love and humility.
Myfanwy
Just to clarify…
>> Maybe there were things said that had not been properly verified
Correct, the Lausanne thing was not properly verified because John tried to verify it numerous times and JP refused to reply via email, so one is left dangling in mid air wondering what is the deal. So we put 2 and 2 together and got 4, unfortunately the number 4 was no longer a valid number and JP went postal on us. Moriel is no longer affiliated to Luasanne. John apologized for thinking they were still involved – I retracted the Lausanne thing as well and stated in the comment that JP has been vindicated.
but…this…
>> and he was linked to people he should not have been linked to.
Um, nope, no one has linked him to Lonnie Frisbee or Kathryn Kuhlman or anyone else falsely – Jacob Prasch made that up (as a diversion), we do however link him to Chuck Missler (who JP stated he works with him on a not so regular basis – but still works with him) and Chuck Smith (a close personal friend) – these men are bonifide False teachers.
Hi Deborah
I was wondering, can we not meet in person so that we can have a civilized conversation ?
Also, you shouldn’t be suspicious of Andrew Murray, he was a man of God, I have some of his books. I am sure he is in heaven now.
Keep safe in Jesus name
Cheers
Debs, that is why I said ‘maybe’ at the beginning of the sentence because I was not sure what had been said exactly regarding Jacob’s contacts.. I have read through some of the commentaries, but not all, so I stand to be corrected. My point really is that Jacob should not have responded as he did to you and John. He could have corrected you about Lausanne without being nasty.
First off…. Anyone can post on these forums. I’m not saying that Jacob isn’t the one posting here, I’m just saying that there’s no hard evidence that it’s him. I could easily post like I’m Jacob, Roger Oakland, Chuck Smith, or Chuck Missler. These all need to be verified, otherwise it’s just hearsay. Is there a way to verify that these people are who they say they are?
In Christ.
See, anyone can post as anyone on here, and it can be made more convincing if you actually know the email address of the person you want to defame.
God Bless
Just wanted to point out that anyone can pose as anyone on here. It may or may not be Jacob Prasch commenting on this forum, but this is the internet people. We need to double check things before responding.
York
You can have a civilized conversation on here. I do not meet people. If you continue to request to meet me I will block you from commenting on this website.
I DO have suspicions of Andrew Murray because of all the chaos that went on in his churches that he accepted as being from God, people falling over, laying unconscious on the floor, etc.
Fact Checker
>> First off…. Anyone can post on these forums. I’m not saying that Jacob isn’t the one posting here, I’m just saying that there’s no hard evidence that it’s him
Yes that thought did cross my mind for a whole night and a whole morning, I pondered, could it be someone else.
But then someone received more and one email from Jacob Prasch’s email address sent by Jacob Prasch, matching the same email he used on this blog – with the same tone, language and insults as on this blog.
So definitely it is him 100%.
FAKE Roger Oakland / Fact Checker
If it was you I would contact you and ask you if it was you (Roger Oakland). We were in contact with Jacob Prasch at the time he was commenting on the blog.
We also have emails from Jacob Prasch that match the blog right down to: email address, tone, wording, spelling errors, etc etc.
It would be impossible for the ‘impostor’ to actually email from Jacob Prasch’s email address..
Myfanwy
Noo problem!
“Fact Checker” — I have heard Prasch say such things with my own ears, so has my Jewish believer wife. We were turned off by it. He also says such kinds of ungodly derogatory things in several articles on his own website.
So maybe we didn’t actually see Prasch, maybe it was his doppelganger? And maybe Moriel is not actually Prasch’s website. Maybe Prasch doesn’t exist at all!
That’s how silly your line of reasoning is.
It is him. What he has said in person and on his website, he repeated here. He gets into internet arguments frequently.
Hey Debs,
I have Roger Oakland’s email address if you want to contact him.
There was something that Jacob said that told me it was Jacob (or Roger), I didn’t have to know the email address.
It was very specific information.
Cursory research on the name calling by Jacob Prasch yields a lot. Whether that was Jacob or not, it still needs to be addressed. However, I knew it was either Jacob or Roger because of the specific information.
Also, I just posted the first part of two articles on Jacob Prasch –
http://ephesians511blog.blogspot.com/2012/11/the-lack-of-discernment-in-jacob-prasch.html
William
Yeessss, you are absolutely right, that thing he mentioned to you. Only Jacob Prasch could have known about that.
No need to email Roger, we are 101% sure it’s Jacob Prasch based on the IP address that showed up and Prasch’s current whereabouts in the UK.
We have done our due diligence from our side in checking email addresses, IP address compared to his Itinerary, things that were said, how they were said, etc etc, and it’s ALL a match.
YORK you are starting to look like a stalker.. and a very strange person indeed.
It seems there are a few ‘dodgy’ things going on here, people posting comments that are designed to cause confusion. No worries Debs, we know you and we know the truth (most importantly.)
Debs I read some Andrew Murray books years ago, I would now not recommend them either.
L.O.L
I have my suspicions that Debs is my imaginative friend… : ) gotta laugh!!
Myfanwy
>> I have my suspicions that Debs is my imaginative friend… : ) gotta laugh!!
I’ve had some suspicions about myself as well hahaha