London Olympic Games 2012 – Secret Logo, Illuminati Floodlights and Esoteric Mascots

Redeemed says:

Paul, the days of the week have pagan origins:
Monday: “day of the moon,” referring to moon worship.
Tuesday: “Tiu’s day,” named for the Germanic god of war.
Wednesday: “Woden’s day,” after Woden, the chief Anglo-Saxon god.
Thursday: “Thors day,” after the Norse god of thunder.
Friday: “Freya’s day,” after the Teutonic goddess of love, beauty and fertility.
Saturday: “Saturn’s day,” after Saturn, a god in mythology.
Is it wrong for Christians to use calendars?

The dollar bill of the U.S. has Masonic/Babylonian insignia. Is it wrong for Christians to use this currency? Can’t money be used to honor God?

Paul (Continue in His Word) says:

@Redeemed,
Thanks for the advice. It is what I am trying to do. The article I posted suggests this

I also do not believe this question of Christmas is one which should provoke bitterness and division among God’s people any more than it should stir up contempt or pride. We surely should not use it as the measure of a brother’s righteousness or commitment to Christ. The celebration of Christmas by a Christian is not equivalent to attending a Catholic mass or committing those sins that the law of God
written on the heart condemns and the Word of God specifically prohibits. A SINCERE CHRISTIAN STRIVING TO HONOR CHRIST ON CHRISTMAS, NOT UNDERSTANDING THE THINGS PREVIOUSLY WRITTEN OF HERE, IS NOT A CRIMINAL TO BE SHUNNED BUT RATHER A BROTHER TO BE GENTLY, PATIENTLY ENLIGHTENED. The Christmas season should NOT be seen as a time to mock those sincere Christians who are clinging to that holiday anymore than it is the time to try to convince unbelievers regarding matters not yet seen by many believers.

That is what I am trying to do. To educate my brothers and sisters about the damage Christmas does to the cause of the Gospel by endorsing the grossest misrepresentation of Christianity ever, about the SNARE of Christmas (the so called “appropriate time to share the gospel” when the world is more “opened” to it). It is a great snare because is serves the cause of the devil so much.
My observation is that most christians are NOT educated about it by christian leaders (pastors) who watch more on their bottom line than on the uncompromising truth of the word of God. They are afraid of loosing people, of touching long cherished traditions, of offending people. So they compromise and let the people believe they are “celebrating the birth of Christ”, that after all it is about Christ, which is far from the truth. The truth is that the “Christ” celebrated on Christmas is NOT the Christ of the Bible. It is another Christ. It is actually many other Christs as the origins of it reveal.
I have to strike the right balance between sharing the truth without appearing intolerant or judgmental. You and Debs must know how hard it is, because oftentimes the truth hurts.

About brother Cloud, I love him and appreciate so much the work he is doing. The Lord has used his ministry a lot to help me and my family, and we are members of one of his supporting churches. But I must say he is KNOWINGLY compromising on the issue of Christmas. I don’t judge him. I judge his action of compromise and I dare say “hypocrisy” when it comes to the issue of Christmas.
I echo what two of his subscribers wrote to him :

“I am surprised Mr. Cloud, you strain gnats and filter out the many rotten poisons tied to CCM, and swallow camels tied to the pagan celebration of christmas. How can you do such a thing? Do you really not know what you are doing here?”

“I read of your complete hatred of the evils of Roman Catholicism — but you’re surprisingly ‘silent’ when in comes to the real ‘demon‘ in the room–CHRISTMAS. How you can rant against the ‘Charismatics’–but not so much a whimper against the abomination of the filthy dreamers who continue to push this ‘garbage’ of Jesus’ birthday on Dec. 25–as being ‘truth’

I believe he too is preoccupied about the amount of support he will loose among his supporters if he dares say the plain uncompromising truth about it.
Mammon is unfortunately THE other god at the altar of which so many in our generation have chosen to sacrifice the truth. “Ye cannot serve God and Mammon” Luke 16:13.

Another critical area where he compromises is the teaching about tithing and the New Testament believer.
And that concerns me, because “A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump”

Paul (Continue in His Word) says:

@Redeemed,
I agree we should not contend on this issue. But before we move on to something else, I would like to address a few things you said in #93:
>>I do NOT worship Rome.
>>Because I celebrate Christmas I am not showing any allegiance to >>Rome. I don’t know of any believer who observes Christmas who has >>any allegiance or complicity to Rome.

Please I have never insinuated nor implied that you (or any born again christian) who celebrates Christmas “worships Rome” or is showing any “allegiance to Rome” whatsoever.
What I have repeatedly said is that such a person is (1) following/endorsing/promoting Rome IN CELEBRATING IT, and (2) SENDING the (wrong) message to the billion Roman Catholics and the other billions of unsaved people that Rome and they worship/celebrate the same Christ. You have not addressed those two points. Please re-read my comments, and the article I posted as a comment. And please forgive me if I came across as insinuating that you “worship Rome” or show “allegiance to Rome”. Far it be from me my dear sister.

As you said, let us pick our battles. I think we have said enough, and a believer who is uneducated about Christmas who reads our conversation will learn a little bit more and have a better discernment about Christmas. So this conversation was not useless.
As for your comment #94, I will not say anything about it because the days of the week (or months of the year) or the currencies of our countries ARE NOT the same thing as Christmas. I would not go there.
Grace and peace to you too.

Redeemed says:

Re: # 98

Paul what you ARE saying is the I am promoting Rome and sending a wrong message. Six of one and 1/2 a dozen of the other it seems to me.

I am not promoting Rome and in fact go AGAINST Rome by using Christmas as an OPPORTUNITY to EXPOSE Rome as a FALSE Gospel and instead give the uncompromised Gospel. I don’t think this is sending a wrong message to ANYONE! The Roman Catholics I know don’t consider Christiam “their” holiday and probably are not even aware of the origins. But they, like 99% of other people in society observe it in some way. It brings up the topic of Christ and one has the opportunity to share the TRUE Gospel.

I consider that honoring to the Lord and I have no conviction whatsoever about observing it.

As for you not addressing the pagan origins of other things in society that we readily accept I am sorry to say as charitably as possible, that is a cop out. It is a legitimate question.

I felt I just had to reply to your post. I find that many people (not all) are eager to debate the issue. I think we have had a reasonable discussion, but we are never going to agree. So let’s leave it at that. You are a brother in Christ and I respect your conviction.

Paul (Continue in His Word) says:

Dear sister,
I have the greatest respect for Dr Rice and for all he did for the Lord. I’m am unworthy to even “unloose his shoe latches”. If only I could do a tiny fraction of what he did for the Lord!
The point of my post is that we should learn from the mistakes and “faults” of our predecessors so as not to repeat them. But men seem not to learn from history.
I am certain had brother Rice had the opportunity to see into the future a see how ALL his daughters are deceived and lost today, HE WOULD HAVE GIVEN UP ALL the traveling and ministering to win them to Christ and make them disciples of Christ and servants of the true Gospel. (Instead today they are deceived and deceiving others and serving the enemy of the one their father so faithfully loved and served) Of course we pray that his daughters will eventually come to Christ and be saved so as to meet their father in heaven, but what I mean is that if they die in their present condition, it is very likely they are unsaved.

This is THE mistake I am talking about:

It required theme to be away from home for periods of time. This was not because they put their calling over their family, but it was circumstances of the times.

I think that one of the reasons he liked the Christmas season was because he was free to spend it with his family

See all the verses I quoted above. I will just repeat on, and add another Scripture:

Joshua 24:15 But as for me AND MY HOUSE, WE will SERVE the LORD
Deut 6:6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:
Deut 6:7 And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, AND WHEN THOU WALKEST BY THE WAY, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.

According to the Bible, a servant of God ought to serve the Lord WITH his family (wife and children). THIS IS KEY. That was God’s plan since the garden of Eden.
You are a very mature christian, and I don’t need to say a thousand words for you to get my point.
It is not and it has never been God’s pattern that a servant of His gets away from his family for extended periods of time for the sake of ministry. Never. Never. That should be the EXCEPTION, and eventually very occasional. You server the Lord WITH your family. You take your family with you, or you don’t go. If your family cannot come with you, if you cannot take your family with you, I dare say: God is not sending you. (This may sound extreme, but it is the plain truth. Deut 6:7 AND WHEN THOU WALKEST BY THE WAY)
If not, be like Paul and Barnabas.

Unfortunately, how many servants of God today are still committing the same mistake?
Now, I am far from living what I am writing here. I know it is the truth and I keep reminding myself of it, and I strive towards that.
God help me. God help us.

Redeemed says:

Paul, I cannot stop the observance of the national holiday of Christmas. But I DO my best to set an example by doing my best to honor Christ by refusing the secular trappings and commercialism connected by a lost society. Also the false and fake “gospels” that abound. I feel I can better serve the Lord this way than by fully rejecting and abstaining from observing the holiday.

That is my choice based upon seeking the Lord.

Now regarding Bro. Rice’s situation. You seemed to totally disregard the book that he wrote and the testimonies of his wife and daughters that he practiced what he preached. Why they fell prey to ecumenical forces later in their lives I don’t think we can blame on him or his wife. Your children have not grown as yet and you have no way of knowing what path they will choose regardless of how diligent you are to teach them. I have grown children and I know how this works. I have seen them profess Christ as children and then grow spirtually cold in adulthood and through prayer we see them changing.

I don’t think we can say that Bro. Rice neglected his family. As I said, he lived before the days of jet travel that cuts down on commute time. It is very difficult to balance time when one is in the ministry.

Quite frankly, I believe there are MUCH more important issues of concern in the Body of Christ. I don’t think it is a bad witness to celebrate Christmas as we do and in fact does far more good than abstaining and burning bridges with those who might be open to hearing about the Lord. We can come across as self-righteous Pharisees in such situations and cause people to view us as oddballs. I know you are going to say that Christians are usually viewed as oddballs and aliens. I understand that. But the world could lump us together with the Jehovah Witnesses cult that does not celebrate holidays.

Again I say, the Bible says that we are to be in the world and not of the world. Each person has to determine what that means in their own spiritual walk.

I have dear friends who have opted out of celebrating Christmas and I fullyl respect that. And they respect my views on it. We have discussed it and come to different conclusions but we don’t judge one another as one view being more godly than the other. It is not a issue of divison. I say let’s dwell on false doctrine and those areas that affect salvation. I have another friend who is so dogmatic that she comes unglued if anyone wishes her a “Merry christmas”. She has to bristle up and declare that she doesn’t believe in Christmas and ysdayadayada. That does more harm than good.

So I hope you won’t continue to force this issue as it will do nothing more than detract from the basics of the faith. Grace and peace to you!

Marion says:

@ Redeemed…your mention of the days of the week, the months, the money, Satanic symbols scattered throughout the world merely verifies the reality that we are “in the world,” living in a place where Satan is the “prince of this world.” These are things of which we have no control, but use in our daily lives. Jesus prayed, “I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.” (John 17:14-17)

@Paul…I think that your choice of words is an issue in the above debate. Rather than using the phrase “unwittingly follow/endorse/promote Rome…” perhaps it would be best to use the phrase “fellowshipping” with the “unfruitful works of darkness” promoted by Rome and the subtilty of Satan and his schemes.

I am copy and pasting my letter to a dear one in Christ addressing these same issues. Please realize they are in response to an ongoing discussion. Sooo, if you don’t get the context, no worries…I still believe there is value to be found (maybe?). The articles mentioned in the letter are these and
http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/christm3.htm (use of either article is not an endorsement of any person, group, “ministry” or philosophy – informational only)
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Dear (anyone)
It is hard to determine the “tone” or “heart” of a written piece sometimes. Please know, that any questions asked (and some of them are hard questions – which I have also had to answer myself) are merely that…questions…not accusations, judgments, condemnations or offense. Every year, as a Christian, I have pondered the “christ-mass” season. But last year, God called me to be more separate…culminating with a total break from the traditions of men and the myth of all things “Christ-related” to this season; after all…it is of “another Jesus.” So the questions and comments are just some of what has transpired in my heart and I wanted to share them with you. My desire is to do ONLY those things that would please the Father and bring Him glory, and perhaps even to edify a brother(?); even as I believe you are of the same desire.

I don’t have a problem remembering the birth of Christ and being thankful for His coming either…everyday…even on “Christ-mass”…but NOT celebrating it as his “birthday.” I actually think that Jesus was born at the time of the “feast of tabernacles” (perhaps) since His name Immanuel would represent such. But truly, the Bible does not indicate the time of his birth, nor that we should “be in remembrance” of it…or celebrate it.

It is, however, an un”holy” day in the Satanic world, whose origins pre-date Babylon, and aren’t we called to come out and “be ye separate?”

My concern wasn’t about Thanksgiving. Fact being, even though the Indians were pagans, and they brought the food…it was the Pilgrims who instituted that day of thanks…they were not joining in and celebrating a pagan celebration.

As far as the “Christian” forefathers…only God knows…(I don’t agree with his thinking there, nor with everything written in any article – my focus was on the celebration of “Christ-mass” only, and the Scriptures – minus all the window dressing added by any author other than Scripture used to support their viewpoint).

Birthday gifts…not why I sent the articles…FYI – I don’t agree with him on that either.

Your point about “pick and choose history sometimes as long as it favors you”…I totally agree…that is why my focus was on the “holiday” and the Scriptures and the reality that a pagan un”holy” day has been “Christianized,” or can we say that “christianity” was “paganized?”

You mention the author is Protestant “so he’s a lot closer to Rome than he thinks he is by his doctrine.” This is true, certainly…BUT…does that negate his observations and questions…which even he was able to see? He may not be aware and recognize that, but his message, I believe ought to be considered and pondered before the Lord in prayer.

How exactly does one “keep our motives in check during this season?” Jesus said, “But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God is Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.” (John 4:23-24). As I think about the “what” I do and the “why” I do them, I have found that there is nothing of spirit or of truth in this whole season. I do not believe we can “redeem” the pagan holidays…just as our church does not “redeem” Halloween with “God-focused” thankful, “harvest festivals.” But we celebrate the false “Christ” holiday…isn’t this applying a double-standard? I don’t believe the only problems are the “selfishness and greed”…but something very sinister…how can we “attach” Jesus to this day? Satan’s desire is to be worshiped as God (Isaiah 14:12-15)…has he not pulled this off at “Christ-mass” almost ALL around the world and amongst almost ALL people? Ought we not rather ask…
“for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Wherefore, come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty. Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.” (23 Cor. 6:14-7:1) Are we not commanded to “have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. (Eph. 5:11)?

I actually have been asking the Lord, “what does that mean for my life in relation to You;” coming out, being separate, touching not the unclean thing, cleansing myself from all filthiness of the flesh and of the spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God…and He is so faithful to answer!

“Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. For the customs of the people are vain;: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not….(Jer. 10:3,4) We may not “worship” the trees, but does this not speak of our “christ-mass” customs…which have been…learned and adopted from the pagans? And can you imagine…churches…actually bringing in the trees with all the “trappings”…and the “idols” in?

“He said also unto me, Turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations than they do. Then he brought me to the floor of the gate of the LORD’S house which was towards the north; and behold, there sat women weeping for Tammuz. Then said he unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations that these. And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD’S house, and behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD , between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces towards the east; and they worshipped the sun towards the east.” (Ezekiel 8:13-16)

If the Lord was very much not pleased and in fact infuriated about a people called by His name “weeping for” and “worshipping” Tammuz…what does He think about a people called by His name “worshipping” Tammuz disguised as Jesus – putting His holy name to a demon? I think He is quite grieved…but as we learn the truth…we are without excuse. Since we agree that the Bible is our guide for “faith and practice”…where does this practice come from?…Can it be justified? It is not biblical. Jesus commanded us to remember His death til His coming. The celebration of His birth is silent, as is the teaching and traditions of the apostles. In “Christianity” (Catholicism) it is true, that the first of such “Christian” celebration was instituted centuries after Christ by “christianizing” the pagan ritual worship of the “sun god,” by Rome. (I thought WE were separate from Rome; yet we fellowship with Rome?). Is this practice holy? Can it be consecrated unto God? What would the apostles think of such a thing…Paul or John who exhorted, “Little children, keep yourselves from idols.” (1 Jn. 5:21)

The priests of God…worshipping Tammuz (Baal, Bel…whatever you want to call him)…in the temple! And yet, who are we? “But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, peculiar people, that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy. Dearly beloved, I beseech you as strangers and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts which war against the soul;” (1 Peter 2:9-11)

“Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world: But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. And because ya are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ. Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods. But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain. (Gal. 4:3-11) Has this “royal priesthood” unwittingly fallen for the subtilty and cunning deceit of the enemy of our souls?

Adrian Matthews says:

” I have no idea what is going to go down during these London 2012 Olympic Games, but what ever it is, it’s going to be very very evil.”

…like millions of people throughout the world joining in two great endeavours, like disabled people, God’s people every bit as precious to him as anyone else, being feted in exactly the same way as able bodied athletes – except in a few places like the USA, but that was the fault mainly of NBC which gave such miserly coverage, not of the American people themselves – like tens of thousands of welcomers exuding goodwill. I could go on, but you get my drift, I’m sure.

Wenlock and Mandeville were stupid aberrations that failed to sell, and the logo was much unloved, hardly the stuff of an all-powerful international conspiracy.

The games could fairly be criticised for too big a presence of big business, and McDonalds being the only food outlet was particularly bizarre. It could be argued also that it cost too much, but it did provid employment in a time of recession, gave a moral boost to a country hitting hard times and has regenerated a massive area of London which never recovered from what the Luftwaffe did to it 65 years ago.

There are plenty of evil things happening in the world, including in the UK, gross poverty, crime, breakdown of family life, malicious politicians and more besides, but people who abuse the Gospel by pressing it into the service of outlandish conspiracy theories are (albeit unwittingly) its enemies. They only blunt its message. They allow those opposed to it to dismiss it as a set of ridiculous fairy stories, and make the undecided run a mile.

Have your conspiracy theories if you want, but don’t claim Divine inspiration for them.

Paul (Continue in His Word) says:

@Redeemed

I think that your choice of words is an issue in the above debate. Rather than using the phrase “unwittingly follow/endorse/promote Rome…” perhaps it would be best to use the phrase “fellowshipping” with the “unfruitful works of darkness” promoted by Rome and the subtilty of Satan and his schemes.

Yes, I am guilty of trying to be politically correct. You have to understand that I am writing in a conversation with one of the most gracious believer I have ever “met”. (I’m talking about Marion). And I have a reputation of being oftentimes cut and dried in my communications. I do not want to hurt my sister, or to come across as judgmental, I want to speak the truth in love. Obviously I inserted the word “unwittingly” just to try to be more gracious, even as Redeemed is gracious to me. Yet the truth remains the truth. If I was communicating with someone else, you can be sure I would have been more straightforward.
What you say about the days of the week or the currency or all the other “things” of this Satan-controlled world is very simple and the very truth: Do we have the choice or not? That is the question.
I take for example a believer living in muslim controlled country like Egypt, where I think the statutory weekend is friday-saturday and not saturday-sunday as in most other countries. So the work week is Sunday-Thursday. What will a believer do? Not go to work on Sunday because it is the Lord’s Day? Of course not. Will they not arrange themselves to worship the Lord in Spirit and in Truth during their statutory weekend? Of course yes.(By the way, I am not a legalistic. We are not under the law, and the Lord’s Day is not a kind of Sabbath à la Old Testament).

Thanks for sharing that letter which hits the nail even harder on the truth about Christmas, ans as you say “as we learn the truth…we are without excuse”. you found the right words to put it, seasoned with grace.

I must say that I am very sick as I witness the “circus” (sorry for the word) of Christmas at the IFB church my family attend. But (to the best of my knowledge) all other places in town are either fully or almost completely leavened.
Where shall we go?
What shall we do Lord while you tarry and we witness day by day the collapse of Biblical Christianity?
What shall we do?

Redeemed says:

Dear brother Paul, I hear your love of the truth and I truly respect that. I think I share your desire to honor the Lord also. You have been gracious and I hope that I have reciprocated.

I too despise the carnival atmosphere of Christmas, the partying, etc. but there will be no such nonsense in our home. It will focus on remembering the Lord’s wonderful and miraculous birth and some quality family time.

I know that JRR would throw a fit if he could see some of the hijinks and compromise in the IFB church in our day. But there are still some pastors in small churches who are still sharing the Gospel, teaching the Word and tending their flocks. They are nondescript humble servants who just obey the Lord and rightly divide the Word and faithfully disciple. There is a remnant.

May the Lord bless you and your family.

Marion says:

Two more very interesting articles I came across today. Worth pondering.

http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Psychology/xmas/xmas_car.htm

http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Psychology/xmas/celeb.htm

(not an endorsement of any site)

Kind words, Paul…to God be the glory alone!

Marion says:

Redeemed…Thank you to you, for your kind words (to God be the glory!)
…is the Beardsley site an Aho site? If so, I had no idea. This is why “use of any site is not an endorsement of any person, group ‘ministry’ or philosophy – informational only).” To be honest, we can even find the truth related to the “holidays and trappings” on the pagan and witchcraft sites. When the truth is revealed, it is true, no matter the source; although we must be VERY careful, remembering that we know not the hearts of those who inform, and that they are not necessarily “brethren.” To disregard the Aho site because of anti-seminitism (which I agree we must reject) means we can gather information from no where…

So, I’m guessing you didn’t even read the GOOD information in those links because of her other error? That’s a shame!

Those links stated above deliver much food for thought for those who are seeking to honor the Lord in all their ways. Truth is, all our comments, opinions, thoughts, motives, regardless of how pure we desire them to be, or even think them to be…are tainted as well. In no way, should we accept another’s words, comments, opinions as utter truth. They cannot be…save for one…Jesus! We are not to be gullible, blindly swallowing whatever is dished up as “truth” or “Christian teaching;” always filtering the words in our world, wherever they may be found through the filter of the Word of God.

Quite honestly, even pagans can tell the truth…i.e. “the sky is blue,” even about “christ-mass”…in fact, they fully understand it and are quite amused by “Christian’s” enthusiastic embrace of the same! We know many a false teacher can deliver a “good” biblical message, with biblical “statements of faith,” causing some difficulty in ferreting out the “really good imposters.” AND they happen to have very good information related to the “apostasy” (while being immersed in it themselves) which is beneficial to us and we can use…as long as we remember…they are the enemy of our Lord Jesus Christ. Do we not gather information from “the news”, the internet…etc? We know not who people are or what they believe…but from the Word of God we do know this…that there are “few there be that find it”…the strait gate and the narrow way; there are MANY of “them.”

You stated, “Any truth from Barbara Aho at the links you cited is tainted by her antisemitic views.” Certainly caution is always advised, BUT…I disagree in this…the “truth” is not “tainted.” What is corrupt is her anti-semitic views…she also has some other very strange ideas. However the above links merely put together a concise examination of the corrupt origins of “christ-mass”, the “traditions” and of special interest, the unbiblical messages in the popular “seasonal ‘christian’ music.”

Those 2 links on that particular site…I DO recommend…for information…and a challenge to think about “what are we doing, why are we doing it, and from where does it come?…if not from the Word of God. I invite you, Redeemed to examine the information there, and then comment.

“Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend.” (Prov. 27:17)
PS…I’m not offended.

Paul (Continue in His Word) says:

@Marion,

Who is this Tracy who runs http://www.jesus-is-lord.com?
I visited her web site and read some interesting truths she had to say, but I quickly noticed 3 warning signs:
1. Her Sabbath keeping
2. Her anti pre-trib (don’t know if she is post-trib, mid-trib or whatever else)
3. Her anti Dispensationalism. Also she caricatures Dispensationalism and attribute to it some things that I don’t believe (like the Church age saints reigning in a heavenly City above the earthly Jerusalem during the Millenium, while Jesus is reigning on earth with the saved Jews of the Tribulation…)

Is she sound?

Redeemed says:

Marion, please see my comment to Joh regardingn the rapid.net site. I am truly sorry – I got confused. I am still peeling the egg off my face.