The General Conversation Section – If You Don’t Know Where to Say it, Say it Here!
This is the General Conversation Section.
If You Don’t Know Where to Say it, Say it Here!
Under this section you can discuss anything you want.
It can be a Q & A section or a ‘Have you heard’ section…
But please do try and stick to commenting under the relevant Article before commenting here.
More Tom,
Jou privaat e-pos asb….
Wil graag privaat met jou n woord kry
Dankie
Groetes…johan
Hallo Johan.
My epos is lessingtom@gmail.com
Het enige iemand kennis van die boek of ministry my sheep hear my voice deur servants of the Lord ministries? geskryf deur JOSEPH HEDGECOCK, SENIOR PASTOR AND FOUNDER OF SOLM
Hulle ie redelik aktief wereldwyd en ook hier in SA.
Hallo LF
Bly asseblief so ver weg as wat jy kan van Joseph Hedgecock.
Let veral op na Hedgecock se onbybelse verklaring, “Now their hearts are crying out to Me, just for Me. That is who I am sending you to, because I don’t want them to take the years it took you to get to Me, because there was no-one to show you how at the time.’”
Wat sê die Here? Hier’s sy antwoord op “to get to Me.”
Bg. is soos wat die stem van Jesus klink en nie die leuens wat die Hedgecocks verkondig nie. Jy kan maar gaan kyk, alle kultusse en vorms van kettery maak daarop aanspraak dat hulle die stem van God direk in hulle binneste kan hoor en dat hulle die oplossing het vir die mensdom se probleme. Al wat die mense moet doen, is om die buite-Bybelse openbaringe wat hulle pastore en leiers direk van God ontvang, moet gehoorsaam. Jy kry dieselfde ding in die Blou Rokke en Sewendedaagse Adventiste kultusse. Pasop vir hulle!
Can you please check the link Akiane Kramarik?
Seems to go to wrong info and search do not find anything on the page, also with few others or else I am doing something wrong. Thanks a lot for some excellent eye opening articles
Hi Lourens
Ok I checked the comments section, can’t find anything with the words “Akiane”. Where is this link, in an article?
Many times urls to info exist at the time of writing the article and then they delete the website or info and the link on our site becomes a dead link. It’s very difficult for us to keep this under control and remove dead links from the site. Too many articles, way too many links.
Let us know when you come across a dead link, please tell us:
1) what article
2) url
Then we can find it and go remove it from the article but keep the ‘quote’ etc.
:thankyou:
Deborah
I went to the menu, list of all categories, down to pastors/speakers then to Akiane Kramarik. But I think I found my mistake – you need to click on “read entire article” then open the search box and then it picks up Akaine.
Thanks a lot for excellent articles – allow me a short testimony: I came out of 35 years of charismatic churches (conservative) and earnestly started praying for truth and “stumbled” upon this site! The MOST DAMAGING churches around are these – I can testify! Please pray for people like me and many others that was sorely misled. Therefore you guys are doing a GREAT GREAT job!!
May you be blessed for fighting for truth.
Hi Lourens
Ahhh yes 🙂 you got it. Thank you for your comment!
Just thank Jesus Christ that when you called out to Him He responded and you LISTENED when the truth was presented to you. That’s the biggest problem, no one wants to listen to the truth, they don’t want Jesus Christ, they want power instead. (speaking in tongues, prophecy, gift of healing, the ability to pray for others and believe they were responsible for others being healed etc, etc, etc.)
You said “Please pray for people like me and many others that was sorely misled.”
Just an interesting note for you: you don’t need me Lourens to pray for you, YOU have a COMPLETE relationship with Jesus Christ, you pray to Him by yourself. :thumbsup: I am not stronger than you are, or more spiritual, or on a higher level – this is charismatic teaching.
I’m not saying it’s wrong to pray for others, nope, nope, nope. I’m just saying that you need to rely on Jesus Christ 100% and realise that your prayer to Him is more than enough. He saved you and He always hears you!! :nod:
Email from Johan:
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From: Johan
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 9:14 AM
To: Discerning the World
Subject: Rennaisance gemeente
Good day,
I do not seem to find a comments area to send you this request….so if you will please, please comment on the above.
A friend of mine has encountered them, and now seems to be very disturbed…how should one answer this?
Their website https://www.renaissancegem.co.za/
Thank so much….also thank you for all the valuable and understandable articles you publish.
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Hi Johan :hi:
I am checking it out right now.
Can you please tell me:
1) do you know what exactly happened to your friend, do you know what they did to him?
3) and what do you mean by ‘disturbed’?
So that I can write an answer to you that will help you help your friend.
Hi Johan
From reading the first page… :shocked: This is 100% New Age teaching under the disguise of ‘Christianity’. Please give me as much detail as to what happened to your friend.
I find it strange that you do not adhere to your own terms and conditions as you are certainly attacking people personally I can mention various examples which have nothing to do with doctrine. It is quite clear that this site’s purpose in not to enhance the love of Christ via the Bible but to shoot down anything not in line with the authors specific views. It is done in a way that appears to be fearful. May the grace of God overcome you.
Regards
Abrie
Dear Abrie Joubert
Your comment landed in the SPAM section, I removed it and placed it in the comments section.
You said “you are certainly attacking people personally I can mention various examples which have nothing to do with doctrine.”
Please do mention these examples. I would like to know where Tom and I have personally attacked people. Go on, show us.
Yes, pleaaaaase Abrie,
Present us with some proof where Deborah and I attacked people personally and not their doctrines.
Tom
:waiting: … waiting.
Probably hit n run…?
Hi Robbie
It looks like it.
Hi Debs,
At last I can comment on this section again…..
Any way as far as the Rennaisance guys are concerned, it would be really good if Tom could write a report on that so that more people could be forewarned!
Thank you
Hi Johan
I’m happy to hear that you can comment again – not sure what happened there. I sent Tom the website and he said he would look at it. :nod:
The thing that seriously upsets me is that these NG ‘pastors’ keep their titles but have renounced Jesus Christ. For instance Prof Sakkie Spangenberg. I once went to a New Age conference, Sakkie spoke about how he ‘lost’ Christianity because he could not come to terms with the fact that God would punish people for sinning. He didn’t know who I was, and I raised my hand a few times during his Q & A session and asked him some pertinent questions based on what he had said. By the 2nd question he was clearly upset with me – and almost sitting fire. Strangely enough I had few people in the audience who were New Agers who actually ended up agreeing with me – so I did manage to sow a few seeds of gospel while there.
These EX NG Pastors who reject Christianity but not their ‘pastor’ / ‘rev’ / ‘prof’ titles upset me like you can’t believe. They remain on at the faculties of theology at the universities, infesting the students who come there to learn about Jesus but are taught another Christ altogether. When questioned why they don’t leave the faculty of theology at the university they are teaching – I get told ‘it’s their livelihood’ or ‘they are there to critique and challenge the students and their beliefs.’ Can you imagine paying to go to university to study the bible and instead of learning about Jesus Christ you are lambasted day after day by Satan who is trying to rip your faith to shreds. These NG Pastors/Professors to me are the lower than snakes.
And they are using the same tactics with the average church goer, they host conferences under the disguise of Rev, Pastor or Prof and introduce you to the occult.
Can someone here please explain to me how within the Christian faith alone, you all have these damning views on each other’s particular ‘style’ of Christianity?
Everywhere I go I see Christians arguing and arguing on what’s right and what’s wrong, and every single one of you believe your views are the only TRUE and RIGHT way to serve your god. You judge, you damn, you pull apart.
Do you then believe everyone else in the ‘other camp’ will be going to hell? And which particular version of hell?
Hi Aerie, Thank you for your comment.
Indeed, Christians should never damn or ill-treat anyone, let alone Christians. However, we are commanded by Jesus Christ to judge (discern) everything they teach and claim to be sound doctrine in the light of his Word. Here are some passages in Scripture that help us to discern correctly.
The parable of the Weeds in Matthew 13 explains the phenomenon of genuine and false Christians. The enemy (Satan) sowed tares (darnel) among the good seed (wheat) which looks like the real McCoy but is fake wheat. Biblical doctrine and correct discernment is the only way to distinguish between the true and the false (wheat and darnel). Salvific faith comes by hearing the Word of God and responding to it in order to be saved. (Romans 10:17). Think of it this way. Any distortion of God’s Word (doctrines) prevents sinners from being saved. Would you give someone who is thirsty a glass of water with a drop of poison in it to drink? I don’t think so unless you want to kill him or her. And that’s exactly what Satan wants to do because he is a murderer (John 8:44), and sows darnel (false Christians) among the wheat (genuine Christians) to lead the genuine ones astray.
Like you, when I was still unsaved, I abhorred the way Christians bickered and fought amongst one another until I read Matthew 13. When I was saved, by the grace of God, I earnestly began to search the Scriptures so that I could discern between the wheat and the tares. I am still learning, by the way. Thanks again for your comment and God bless. Tom
Beste Tom,
ek het op n webtuiste afgekom ‘glodiebybel.co.za”….
Lees daar n artikel oor Willem Nicol en hoe hy nou n ‘spiritual guide’, geword het…dat die kursusse vir spirituële begeleiding selfs op universiteit aangebied word.
Dr ABEL PIENAAR van die Rennaisance gemeente is ook daarby betrokke.
Die mense steek kerse aan, praat oor aartappels wat moontlik in jou sak is….wat of n probleem of iets van een of ander saak is….en so gaan dit aan….
En die beweging is blykbaar sterk aan die groei……maak mens regtig koud om jou hart om te sien en te lees oor hoe mense op n dwaalweg bly gaan en nie eens besef nie!!..
Artikel is geskryf deur Jan Louw….afgetrede NG Predikant…..daar is baie artikels op hiertoe webtuiste wat mens laat wonder oor waar mense tans is in hulle belewenis.
Vreemde vuur voorwaar.
groetnis.
Hallo Johan. Baie dankie vir jou kommentaar. Jammer ek antwoord nou eers maar ek het oneindige probleme gehad met my rekenaar. Ja, dis nou maar een van daardie dinge. Hoe dit ookal sy, die Woord van God beskryf hierdie ouens as volg.
Om te kan vind moet jy eers soek maar hierdie ouens soek op al die verkeerde plekke. Jy kan hulle waarsku tot jy blou is in die gesig maar hulle sal steeds voortbeur om te soek waar hulle keer op keer net weë van die dood gaan vind. Dis verskriklik. Daarom praat hulle, hierdie mistici, ook voortdurend van ‘n sg “journey.” Moet ons vir hulle bid? Sekerlik. Gaan hulle waarlik tot bekering kom? Net God weet dit.
Ek ontvang gereeld die maandelikse “Stem van die Martelare” blaadjie. In die jongste uitgawe is daar ‘n artikel van ‘n 90-jarige Christen (voormalige Hindoe) wat al agt keer brutaal aangerand is omdat sy landgenpote wil hê hy moet terugkeer na die Hindoeïsme. Hier in ons land is so iets nie nodig nie want die skarmunkels keer met bravade en hartlike toestemming terug na die Hindoeïsme. Johan Geyser se kerk, Moesiek, is een van die sinagoges van Satan wat hulle gemeenteldede teruglei na Hindoeïsme, en dit nnogal met “Christelike” hoop, liefde en diensbaarheid. Dis iets om van te huil.
Tom/Debs
The Angels referred to in Exodus 23:21 “Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him”
Am I right to say:
The role of the Angel in Exodus matches the role of Christ in the Old Testament… and also when the Israelites were freed from bondage.
This is further confirmed in 1Co 10:4 “And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ”. So Christ had a leading role in leading them from bondage to the PROMISED LAND which He still does today for spiritual Jews.
The people were told to obey His voice and He was an ongoing authority (that fits Christ better than an angel).
He was given permission to forgive the people and the Bible says ONLY God can forgive sins.. Luk 5:21 And the scribes and the Pharisees began to reason, saying, Who is this which speaketh blasphemies? Who can forgive sins, but God alone?
Then… the word Angel means “messenger” and does not necessarily have to mean a “being” but can refer to a non-angelic messenger.
There are many examples of messengers (aggelos) being send: Gen 32:3, Mt.11:10 and Luke 7:24 refers to John the Baptist, a human being as messenger (aggelos).
Jesus Himself confirms that the Father sends Him… and bring the message from God the Father to the world.
Joh 12:49-50: For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.
Jesus nourished, lead, shepherded the people to the promised land… as commanded By God the Father.
Het julle dalk n artikel oor sielkunde? Dit voel of sielkunde die nuwe grootste geloof geword het. Kerke gryp na vreemde idees gewortel in die moderne sielkunde. Elke 2de persoon is op Anti Depresante en die wêreld kyk na Sielkundiges vir antwoorde.
Hallo Phil, Ons het nog nie ‘n spesiale artikel oor die sielkunde geskryf nie, hoewel ons in sommiges nogal breed daaoor uitgewei het.
Al wat ek op hierdie stadium kan sê, is dat ‘n mens net na die woord “sielkunde” moet kyk om die belaglikheid daarvan in te sien. Die woord, soos jy kan sien, bestaan uit twee woorde “siel” en “kunde.” Almal wat sê hulle is kundiges in die studieveld van die siel, is oneerlik. Wat is die siel?
En die HERE God het die mens geformeer uit die stof van die aarde en in sy neus die asem van die lewe geblaas. So het dan die mens ‘n lewende siel geword. (Gen 2:7)
Die siel is dus, soos die gees van die mens, onsigbaar. n Mens het tog sekerlik iets tasbaars nodig om dit emperies te kan bestudeer. “O ja,” sê die sielkundiges, “Ons bestudeer hulle gedrag en waaneer ons hulle gedragspatroon geïdentifiseer het, skryf ons vir hulle pille voor wat hulle siel kan neem met n bietjie water.” Sê my, hoe kan ‘n persoon wie se hart bedrieglik is bo ale dinge en so verdorwe is, dat hy nie in staat is om te kan ken nie, ‘n ander persoon se hart wat ook netso bedrieglik en verdorwe is sodat hy dit nie kan ken nie, (Jermia 17:9) sielkundig help? Dis mos onmoontlik. Jesus self het gesê:
Nie wat in die mond ingaan, maak die mens onrein nie; maar wat uit die mond uitgaan, dit maak die mens onrein. (Mat 15:11)
Jesus Christus is die enigste ware sielkundige en Hy het die spyker so mooitjies op sy kop geslaan. Nie net dit nie, Hy het ook die oplossing gebied – aan die kruis toe HY uitgeroep het “Tetelestai.”
Een ding weet ek, en dit is dat die meeste mense sielkundiges besoek om hulle traumas ens. te behandel omdat hulle Jesus nie ken nie.
[Daar is]Geen vrede, sê die HERE, vir die goddelose nie! (Isa 48:22)
Kom na My toe, almal wat vermoeid en belas is, en Ek sal julle rus gee. Neem my juk op julle en leer van My, want Ek is sagmoedig en nederig van hart, en julle sal rus vind vir julle siele; want my juk is sag en my las is lig. (Mat 11:28-30)
Ek sal intussen ‘n bietjie kyk of ek iets meer oor die sielkunde kan kry.
Sielkunde is maar net nog ‘n ander evanglie wat die Satan uitgedink het omdat dit Jesus Christus met pille, hipnose, terapie ens wil vervang. Dit sê eintlik: “Jesus se kruisdood en opstanding is nie voldoende nie.”
Luister gerus hierna:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EZZzorX2Sc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nA0m4t2SB3I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6p-ZNAog5s
Dankie vir die terugvoer. Die probleem in die kerk is groter as wat ons besef en die gevolge is verskriklik. Sielkunde is humanisties georiënteerd. Baie kerke het allerhande kursusse, programme en kampe wat hulle aanbied om hulle gemeente lede te verryk. Hierdie programme begin en eindig met sielkunde en gebruik skeefgetrekte “Bybelse” beginsels om dit te regverdig. Die kursusse erken nie eers die feit dat almal het gesondig en is ver van God af nie. Dit gee ʼn rede vir jou “tekortkominge” wat gewoonlik te vind is in jou swak verhouding met jou ma en pa. As jy hulle klaar vergewe het, kan jy aanbeweeg en dan sal jy okey wees. Die rede hoekom mans nie doen wat hulle veronderstel is om te doen nie, word byvoorbeeld teruggegooi na vorige ervarings en verhoudings toe. Vir verkragters word byvoorbeeld vertel dat hulle ʼn slagoffer is van hulle pa, neef of wie ook al wat hom gemolesteer het as ʼn kind en daarom verkrag hy. So ʼn persoon hoef dan moes nou nie verantwoordelikheid te aanvaar vir sy dade nie. Dit is sy pa, neef of wie ook al anders se skuld. Hy het ook nie vergifnis van sonde nodig nie en is ook nie oppad hel toe nie. Ons is mos almal wenners!
As jy bloot lewe spreek en die duiwel bestraf sal jou probleme verdwyn??!! Almal anders kry die skuld vir jou mislukkings. Die feit dat jy ʼn sondaar is en dat jy ʼn redder nodig het, vind nou nie juis prominensie in hierdie kursusse nie. Dit is op soveel vlakke verkeerd en verdraai en die gevolge is ʼn mensdom wat net dieper wegsink in gemors.
Gaan gesels gerus met jou plaaslike apteker en jy sal verstom wees om te sien hoeveel antidepressante daar daagliks uitgegee word. Die plaaslike “vernuwingsgemeente” se gemeentelede is gewoonlik die nr. 1 kliënt. Die gevolge van baie van hierdie pille is verskriklik. In die meeste gevalle neem dit jou Libido weg en die kans op ʼn normale huwelik is skraal. Die pilvervaardigers erken dat baie antidepressante, gevolge het waarvan die navorsers nie eers bewus is nie.
Sielkunde en Christenskap staan lynreg teenoor mekaar. Die Bybel word nie erken as outoriteit nie en ʼn paar ander geskrifte en handboeke word gewoonlik nader gesleep om die mens te help. Daar word gegryp na boeke van Freud en Young en die mense. Gaan lees maar self op oor Freud. Hy was redelik pervers, maar sy geskrifte en teorieë word bo die van die Bybel aangehang.
Sielkunde is nie ʼn wetenskap nie. Dit wat vandag aanvaar word as korrek, word môre by die venster uitgegooi. Dit is entlik ʼn groot klug en oë verblindery.
Jesus se kruisdood en opstanding word nie eers genoem nie. Die gevolge in die kerk is baie groter as wat ons besef. Die aanvaarding van sielkunde in die kerk is waarskynlik slegs ʼn simptoom van die toestand van die kerk.
Hallo Phil. Danikie vir jou insette. Jy slaan die spyker so oppie kop. My persoonlike opinie is dat die ouens wat sielkunde vooropstel vir die mens se probleme, glad nie eens gered is nie.
Dear Deborah (DTW)
Would you be so kind as to tell me how you got saved, born again, became a child of God, or however you want to name “salvation”? Or, perhaps if you do have your testimony somewhere on your website (not your Statement of Faith), just point me to it. Please, I would really appreciate it. I love your view of the Bible, and appreciate all the information about false teachers, etc. I just do not understand your struggle with the principles of Calvinism. Please help me, I want to learn.
Dear Leon
I was in a very bad way spiritually, I was totally and utterly lost, and I was trying desperately to get out of the life I had willingly chosen for myself, a life that followed Satan. After hitting rock bottom, I took leave from work, and I spent nearly 2 weeks crying out to Jesus Christ to save me. You can read a similar prayer I prayed to be born again here under point 3) Diligently seek Jesus Christ: https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2017/02/17/seeking-salvation-deliverance.
I believed with all my heart that Jesus Christ IS the Son of God, that He went to the cross and shed His blood for me, that He died for me, that He was buried and rose from the dead 3 days later after which He then later ascended to heaven to be seated at the right hand of the Father. I believed in God’s FREE gift of salvation paid for by the Blood of Jesus Christ. I cried out for days, as I repented, and I made a very clear decision that day, a change of mind;, I call out loud and I told Jesus Christ that I would follow Him and NEVER return to my old ways and that included being lukewarm; one foot in the world, the other foot on Jesus’ doorstep.
Jesus Christ died for the WHOLE WORLD (not just Calvinists) on the cross and all our sins are forgiven, it’s up to you and I to believe in Jesus Christ and acknowledge that we are sinners in DIRE need of salvation and forgiveness of our sins and accept God’s FREE GIFT of salvation.
Calvinism says that God chooses only some to be saved before the foundation of the world. Calvinism says that God in all His soverengty sends the rest to hell, that these people are doomed and they have no free will to accept Jesus Christ’s FREE gift of salvation paid for by His blood.
We all have free will to choose whom we want to follow. God in ALL HIS SOVEREIGNTY gave us free will. He doesn’t force people to follow Him, He wants people to come to Him out of their own free will; these are those who REALLY love Him.
Read all our articles on Calvinism here
We are saved by grace, not Elect through pride in thinking God chose you over everyone else to be His child.
–the gift of dicerning of spirit from 1 Cor 12:10
10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues.
Is the discerning of spirits just using the objective Word of God to test the spirits to see if they are from God or not by testing their teachings to see if they are teaching the truth of God’s Word or is there a seperate gift of discerning of spirts (1cor 12:10) ?? And if so what is the difference? Thank you