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Theo
Please explain so I can understand what you mean?
Hi Deborah, I tried sending you a pvt e mail but it came back. Any chance of you giving me another plse. Thanking you kindly.
Vanessa
I have emailed you instead.
has any hear heard of curry blake the the faith healer from john g lake ministries, i went to him at my former church called church on the rise in westlake, ohio years ago , got prayer for healing of obsessive compulsive disorder, some one from church on the rise told me god healed me but a few years later i had a severe case of ocd and i do not believe i was healed, some one on interfaith forum on the from titled is curry blake is a fruad told me they saw god grow thier daughters leg out and have been healed and they told me it is possible for someone to lose their healing, is this biblical that some one can lose their healing, curry blake also claim him and his ministry john g lake ministries have raised a dead person from the dead
robbie gareau
Thomas Lessing answered your question on Curry Blake already See here:
robbie gareau
>> got prayer for healing of obsessive compulsive disorder, some one from church on the rise told me god healed me but a few years later i had a severe case of ocd and i do not believe i was healed
From what I gather it appears you were healed and then the OCD came back? Am I understanding it right? Satan can heal – read this article If God heals you the ailment will never return. Curry Blake is a false teacher because first and foremost what he preaches and teaches is false. If someone teaches a false gospel it’s guaranteed that any healing they perform will be false. Your ailment returned because whatever healed you was satanic of nature. Tell me after you were healed did you believe in Curry Blake and his false teachings more?
Next time you want healing please I ask with tears in my eyes that you just pray directly to Jesus Christ. You do not need a middle man to pray to God on your behalf.
Deborah.
I have clicked on the word faith to see what was said about the meaning of faith in Jesus Christ. Many people profess to believe in God. Many profess to believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and that He paid the full penalty for our sins. Although it is correct it still seems as if many do not know God. How would you describe faith that saves, and how is this faith brought about. I see this as absolutely crucial to even start a life in God.
Hi all,
Isn’t the sinner’s prayer unbiblical? However, as per DTW, we have been asked to say the sinner’s prayer. Now I am confused.
Dinesh
Who says the sinners pray is unbiblical? Only Satan would say such a thing.
A COMMENT, ADVICE and the SOLUTION / REMEDY
Hallo,I generally find your articles very good and agree with most….
However, I believe one should rather be EXPERTS IN THE TRUTH AND PROCLAIMING THE TRUTH rather than be experts in faults oF others whilst missing the truth.
E.g. first teach ABOUT THE BEAM IN OWN EYES AND HOW TO GET THE BEAMS REMOVED FROM OUR OWN EYES BEFORE spending hours and many pages researching and seeking out and exposing the splinters in the eyes of others.
In other words, how to be set free, cleansed, be delivered from all sins, HOW TO LIVE HOLY AND GODLY WITHOUT WHICH WE WILL NOT SEE GOD, HOW TO BE SET FREE FROM ALL SINS, ETC instead of keeping you busy with the faults of others. If you try this honestly and have found it yourself and the WAY to find it, it will take all your time and energy to help people with this rather than warning them of all the false prophets – whilst they are still slaves of sin because everyone who sins is still a slave.
Paying detailed attention to all the outward things, e.g. false teachers whilst still living with sins and unrighteousness, is straining out the gnats and swallowing a camel. That is like suicide. One should do the more weightier, not neglect it – and the other things later. Then you will see those things outside and in others were gnats in comparison to the camel you were all along swallowing.
A brother said: The best way to recognize a counterfeit banknote is not to know ALL the counterfeits, but to know the real banknote thoroughly.
IT SHOULD RATHER BE: DISCERNING THE TRUTH OF GOD AND OF YOUR OWN HEART before discerning the world.
Not to leave you hanging in the air without the solution – we are only forgiven, delivered, washed, cleansed from ALL sins and justified (MADE JUST) sanctified (MADE HOLY) by the TRUTH of blood and cross of Jesus. His death and blood are the crux, the key, the power and wisdom of God – to be saved from sin and for those being saved. Many other, even wise, words without the cross make the cross and thus the power of God of no effect. Without the truth about the shedding of His blood, there is no forgiveness or deliverance from sin.
Here is the truth then: Jesus bore your sins in his body on the cross. It clearly says you have been and are his murderer with every sin. Your sins made his wounds, pierced and crushed him, grieved and quenched his holy spirit and grieved and crushed god. Therefore you and I deserve death and hellfire. Zechariah says the Holy Spirit of grace pleads with us to look up to Him whom we have pierced and to mourn bitterly for Him – as deeply and bitterly as a mother grieves when her only child died. We need to confess that every sin hurts and pierces Jesus. What we did to or for the least, we did to Him. Breaking the word of God is breaking Jesus. Sins against God fell on Him. It is extremely grievous to God and Jesus if you approach the holy, holy almighty God flippantly, proudly and arrogantly with sin and Satan still in your heart and life. You have been piercing and murdering Jesus all along because of your sins!
Stop and listen and think what I am saying.
If we receive and obey the Holy Spirit and we look up to Jesus whom we have pierced and we mourn bitterly, – THEN He opens that fountain of His blood that will mightily flow against sins and cleanse you – that sin may stop, that you may life righteously and that the wounds you confess you have made can heal you. Then the idols, false prophets and unclean spirits, lies, hypocrisy, carnal love etc. will depart from your heart. You will be wounded and persecuted by your own friends, tried and purified and GOD WILL BE YOUR ONLY GOD and you will be His child!! Read Zech 12:10-13:9
Blessings in His Name, F
Faan wrote,
Can you please give us examples where Discerning the World exposed the personal faults of others in stead of their doctrines?
Faan wrote,
I am sure you would have said the same things to Paul and Jude. A very large chunk of Paul’s and Jude’s epistles were dedicated to warning their brethren against false teachers and their false doctrines. Would you have told Jude for instance to take out the beam out of his own eye when he wrote,
Jude desired to write about salvation in general and how to be rid of sin and its consequences but was compelled to warn his readers against false teachers and their heresies and urge them to earnestly contend for the faith because there were many false teachers in those days who wanted to lead them astray. In just one chapter, he does not refer once to our common salvation. He warns against false teachers and their doctrines and describes them as follows,
I agree that we need to help sinners come to Jesus for the cleansing of their sins. Nonetheless, do you know that it is a sin when you refuse to contend for the faith and to warn others against false teachers’ heresies and to say that when we expose false teachers and their heresies we are attacking others’ human faults and need to take out the beams out of our own eyes. Have you ever read this passage?
So, my dear friend Faan, if you want to help people to cover a multitude of their sins under the blood of Jesus, tell them to convert from the way of their error. If you don’t, you are helping them to remain in their sin and sinning yourself.
Jesus Himself warned against false teachers when He said, “Take heed that no one deceive you.” (Read Matthew 24). Are you going to tell Him to take out the beam from his own eye instead of the little splinter in the eyes of false teachers?
Leading others astray is one of the worst sins imaginable and you want us to stop exposing them? To not warn others against false teachers is the same as aiding and abetting false teachers. I am sure you have heard this maxim before,
Your zeal for lost sinners is commendable but your false humility is not.
Dear Tom,
Thanks for your response and effort. It is appreciated – even if I failed to make you accept what I was trying to convey. I think you have read it too fast and/or that you see it…. but it is tough after years of teaching to accept it.
It is good to expose the false teachers, BUT FIRST AND FORMEMOST help your readers to get the liar and false spirits and unclean spirits OUT OF THEIR OWN HEARTS – the way you should have gotten it out of yours. AND not to ONLY OR MAINLY stay with exposing all the false teachers. It is not either / or but AND. But first things first.
I was mainly contending that you do what Jesus said:
Mat 23:23-28 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithes of mint and dill and cummin, and you have left undone the weightier matters of the Law, judgment, mercy, and faith. You ought to have done these and not to leave the other undone. Blind guides who strain out a gnat and swallow a camel! Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you cleanse the outside of the cup and of the dish, but inside they are full of extortion and excess. Blind Pharisee! First cleanse the inside of the cup and of the dish, so that the outside of them may be clean also. Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs, which indeed appear beautiful outside, but inside they are full of dead men’s bones, and of all uncleanness. Even so you also appear righteous to men outwardly, but inside you are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.
They attended to the smallest details and impurities OUTSIDE and with greatest effort and dedication, but there was sin, uncleanness, hypocrisy, iniquity in their own hearts which they allowed / accommodated / tolerated. And the sin in their own hearts was the WEIGHTIER, MORE IMPORTANT, HEAVIER – but was not given the due attention. This is the BEAM in our own eyes. This is the same mistake Paul made. It is the same mistake MOST religious people make. And it is the mistake I sense with you. E.g. I searched your articles for deliverance from sin, cleansing from sin, justification, sanctification, holiness, godliness, and for salvation, deliverance, cleansing, from sin through the cross and blood of Jesus – and could find nothing that will help anyone trying to obey and find what Jesus commanded above.
More painfully: Paul wrote in 1Ti 6:3-5
If anyone teaches otherwise, and does not consent to wholesome words (those of our Lord Jesus Christ), and to the doctrine according to godliness, he is proud, knowing nothing. He is sick concerning doubts and arguments, from which comes envy, strife, evil speakings, evil suspicions, meddling, of men whose minds have been corrupted and deprived of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness. Withdraw from such.
If we do not teach godliness & holiness and obviously how to find it, but all other things and of all the false teachings of others, ……… (terrible words to such).
So brother, you are in the position of Nicodemus and the Jewish nation and Saul on the Damascus road. They were diligent teachers of the law and SHOULD HAVE KNOWN these things, but they have missed it totally. For most Scribes, ?learned people like you, it is TOO HARD and painful to accept it and to repent and confess their folly and be born again and start all over. But miracles can happen and a rebirth from God is the only answer for every man on earth.
Another NB point: The blood of Jesus does not “cover a multitude of their sins under the blood of Jesus” – as you by mistake say I have said. Atonement or propitiation comes from Kaphar in Hebr. It actually means “REMEDY, CURE, CLEANSING, PURGING, PUTTING OFF FOR THE DEFILEMENT OF SIN”. This is critically important. It is confirmed by Scripture itself in Lev 16:30
“For on that day an atonement shall be made for you, to cleanse you, so that you may be clean from all your sins before Jehovah.”
Also in Is 6:7, 47:11, Ezek 43:20, 26; Dan 9:24, Ps. 79:9, 65:3. Lev 8:15-16, 10:17, 14:19-20.
A reference book says kaphar is the MOST IMPORTANT word in the Bible. Because we all have eaten of the forbidden tree i.e. sinned, and will SURELY DIE as God said, we now need a REMEDY for that problem and slavery into which we ALL have fallen. That was God’s promise in Eden. He will crush Satan’s head (through the cross and blood of Jesus) and so cure us from that slavery of eating of the forbidden tree. That we may STOP eating the forbidden fruit, that we may die to sin and live for righteousness and be cured by His wounds.
The blood of Jesus was shed to CURE, WASH, CLEANSE, DELIVER, FREE us from ALL sins, give us victory over Satan, and make us righteous and holy – and so be allowed in heaven. Read HOW again above.
PLEASE HELP ME ALSO. Wherein specifically or exactly is my false humility?
If you still feel I am false, OK. BUT If you think I am perhaps sincere and truthful, I would like to meet with your contacts in Bloemfontein for if they accepted all you wrote about Calvin, Spurgeon, Paul Washer, John McArthur, Stefan Joubert, NGK, CRC, At Boshoff, election, etc. we will have most in common and they might be very blessed to also find how God helped me with the slavery to sin in my own heart through the cross and blood of Jesus.
You can read more on [url removed]
Yours truly in Jesus Christ.
Faan,
Matthew 23:23-28 has absolutely nothing to do with false doctrines. It deals with good works. I quoted to you several passages in Scripture to show you how important it is to expose false doctrine. If you don’t agree, that’s your problem. I really don’t have the time to try and convince you otherwise.
You are judging me to be unsaved when you say “you are in the position of Nicodemus and the Jewish nation and Saul on the Damascus road. They were diligent teachers of the law and SHOULD HAVE KNOWN these things, but they have missed it totally. For most Scribes, ?learned people like you, it is TOO HARD and painful to accept it and to repent and confess their folly and be born again and start all over. But miracles can happen and a rebirth from God is the only answer for every man on earth.”
I was saved by the grace of God more than 45 years ago.
By the way, are you a Calvinist?
Dear Faan *said with much love*
>> It is good to expose the false teachers, BUT FIRST AND FORMEMOST help your readers to get the liar and false spirits and unclean spirits OUT OF THEIR OWN HEARTS – the way you should have gotten it out of yours. AND not to ONLY OR MAINLY stay with exposing all the false teachers. It is not either / or but AND. But first things first.
You said “the way you should have gotten it out of yours” That’s nice Faan, really nice. Anyhow…when we expose false teaching we are telling people the TRUTH at the same time. Do you actually read this website?
>> BUT FIRST AND FORMEMOST help your readers to get the liar and false spirits and unclean spirits OUT OF THEIR OWN HEARTS
First things first hey Faan – let us deal with you (as you are our reader). How would you like us to get the liar and false spirit and unclean spirit out of your heart? I tell you what we have an article that deals with that exact thing: https://www.discerningtheworld.com/seeking-deliverance/
We will now FORCE you to read that article and pray and get the unclean spirit out of you. Go Faan, we COMMAND you to go read that article.
Did you read it? I am guessing you wont. But why not?? When you tell us we need to get that liar and false spirit and unclean spirit out of your heart?.
Can we tie you up and push the button for you? Must we give you chocolates to make you read the article and be saved and delivered from your nasty unclean spirit?
Oh wait, we can’t make you do anything Faan, it’s YOUR CHOICE to accept Jesus Christ as your saviour!!
Now I am not judging you like you have judged us with your nasty words, all we have done is taken your words and shown you how silly you are being.
I have read that website you gave us and it appears you are into the HOLINESS movement where you think you have to be 100% sinless in order to remain saved or be saved. This is what the website says “This is the word of the cross which is the power of God onto salvation, forgiveness, cleansing and deliverance from all sin onto holiness – for those who confess it with deep bitterness and mourning and repent. Without holiness, no one will see God.”
Please don’t comment again Faan, we have to deal with other people who need help, you are too holy for us.
PS, here is a list of all our articles on Calvinism, we FORCE you to read them PROPERLY and then you MUST ask God for forgiveness regarding your belief that you think you are chosen. If you don’t think you are elect (Calvinist), forgive us for coming to this conclusion – we are afterall sinners.
Dear Tom & Deborah,
He who rebukes a man shall afterwards find more favour than he who flatters with the tongue. Proverbs 28:23.
And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. John 8:32.
I need to respond for the sake of truth and some points.
Please do not be angry. You scold others terribly harshly and straight – which is right. Now stand for the same without anger. I might be a donkey from God speaking to you. Test it carefully.
I am most definitely not a Calvinist.
SAVED is saved and delivered from slavery and bondage to sin and Satan. IF we are saved from sin, we will go to heaven. Saved is not saved from hell and going to heaven but still sinning. Those who sin will not see God or inherit the kingdom of God. Many scriptures confirm this. Ezek.18:1-32; Matt.3:1-12, 7:22-23;13:41-42, 49-50; Luke 3:1-18; 13:27-28; Acts 5:1-16; Rom. 1:28-32; 2:8-9,6:23; 1 Cor. 6:9-10; Gal. 5:19-21; Eph. 5:5; Col. 3:5-6;Heb.12:14; Rev. 21:8, 27; 22:15.
Deborah: I have read lots on your website and agree with MOST if not all, but I miss critical aspects, most NB the critical and crucial role of the cross of Jesus. Another is holiness teaching.
I have read Seeking Deliverance and again agree with everything – but something is lacking. If your article is complete and says all we need to know to be delivered, then there was no need for Jesus to die and then His blood has no role to play in our deliverance, cleansing, justification and sanctification. But the Bible indicates that it has EVERYTHING to do with it. It does EVERYTHING we need. Read these Scriptures: Matt. 26:28; Acts 20:28; Rom. 3:25; 5:9; 1Cor. 1:18; Eph. 1:7; 2:13-16; Col. 1:20-22; Hebr. 1:3; 9:12,14,22; 10:10, 14, 19, 22; 13:12, 20-21(see KJV); 1Pet.1:18-19; Rev 12:11. It is ONLY through the cross and blood of Jesus that we can find it. If there was another way, there was no need for Him to suffer and die OR we would soon forget what our sins have done to Him.
I have done those things in your article for 14 years and could not find deliverance until God helped me by revealing the truth of the cross of Jesus. That is why I wrote to you. Please SELA.
Deborah, speak the truth straight and let your yes be yes and no no, but sarcasm is of the evil one.
I have quoted that if you say Holiness is not possible or not essential, you actually oppose GOD who COMMANDED HOLINESS and more as in 1Tim 6. He commanded it and expects it because He knows very well that Jesus is more than able to make us HOLY. If we do not find it, it is only because we do not believe His commands and promises and because we are content to live without it and because we do not ask Him believing firmly that He promised it and can. If we say we cannot be holy and He cannot make us holy, we say our weaknesses are too strong for Jesus and His blood. THAT IS THE CLIMAX OF UNBELIEF.
What is easier for Him, to heal every cell in Lazarus’s body or fix a weaknesses in your brain and heart? If He could make the universe, what is it for Him to remake your heart and mind. NOTHING. As He said LET THERE BE LIGHT and it was, can’t He say BE HOLY FAAN, and so make me holy or give me holiness. Of course!
Through unbelief and disobedience we do not find it – as with the Jews who came out of Egypt but died in their sins in the desert under the wrath of God.
I am not a Calvinist and I do NOT believe I am chosen or selected. Your conclusion is indeed wrong.
Lastly and sadly, by your own closing words you will be judged. You have said with your own mouth that you are a sinner after all. The Bible says he who sins is of the devil and sinners will not inherit the kingdom of God. Read those verses referred to above carefully. FOR THIS VERY PURPOSE JESUS CAME – TO SAVE US FROM OUR SINS, TO DESTROY THE WORKS OF THE DEVIL, TO SET US FREE FROM SIND INDEED, ETC, ETC. You still need to find Him to do that for you and He wants to and CAN – but if you believe all will after all remain sinners, it will be to you as you have believed. You sin in this and the false teachers in that, and after all you are the same – sinners. If your sin does not stop, you will NOT SEE GOD.
SELA.
Faan,
You speak a lot about the blood of Jesus and so do we. The blood of Jesus is the only prerequisite for the cleansing of sins. However, you say,
If you no longer sin and have stopped sinning altogether, you don’t need the blood of Jesus. Your suggestion that those who sin will not inherit the kingdom of God is a a sin in itself because it is a lie from the pit of hell. How do I know? Well, first of all you quote a whole bag full of passages from Scripture that do not say what you believe them to say. You misinterpret them, Secondly you have not quoted 1 John 1: 8-9 a single time which proves that you deliberately ignore those passages you do not like. Allow me to quote it to you,
Jesus is the Word become flesh and if his Word does not live in you it means He does not live in you which means you are not saved. The very next verse in chapter 2 of John says,
In saying that you have stopped sinning, you are telling Jesus to his face that you don’t need Him to be your Advocate in heaven. Moreover, you are telling Him that He does not need to pray for you.
Equally wrong is your view of the word holy. Holy does not mean you are sinless. Consider the following. The entire nation of Israel is called holy unto the Lord. Is she entirely sinless?
I think you should start to learn how to read your Bible correctly.
To quote you,
I truly and sincerely hope this rebuke will bring you to your senses.
Faan
>> You scold others terribly harshly and straight – which is right.
Really? Actually it’s not right, and I feel quite bad. And I am very sorry. Never the less, you were the one who stated that Thomas was not saved a few times. That is unacceptable.
And I was not at all being sarcastic, I was being very truthful in my reply to you (However, I should have written my comment in another way). But your thinking is not logical. We can’t force you to believe in the truth, like we can’t force anyone else either.
>> Lastly and sadly, by your own closing words you will be judged. You have said with your own mouth that you are a sinner after all. The Bible says he who sins is of the devil and sinners will not inherit the kingdom of God.
Yes we are sinners, Tom quoted this to you as well, the bible says: If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. (1 John 1:8-10)
You on the other hand believe you are sinless, like Jesus Christ which means you put yourself on His level and don’t need Him – all you need is yourself and your own good works.
I am so happy to hear you are not a Calvinist, never the less this doctrine you believe in is just as bad. You may as well become a New Ager who believes they are sinless as well, and in their own right become their own God.
Thanks again for your response. I know you mean it well – to turn me from my folly. So do I… But I can clearly see you are in error. Please give it a serious SELA.
We need to blood of Jesus every way to deliver and cleanse us and sanctify us from each and all sins. Eventually He does as He has promised and as we have believed. And He says also to such a believer: Let it be as you have believed. And He heals us from sin, makes us holy, set us free indeed and sin stops. I say it with experiential knowledge, not a theory. Now we know the word of the cross is the power and wisdom of God for those being saved. For others going lost in their sins, it is foolishness. If we now say to Him: “Thank you for saving, freeing and delivering and setting me FREE INDEED from my leprosy of sin and for making me holy as God commanded,” I do not at all say I now need Him no more to be my Advocate and I did not make Him a liar by saying that. I confirm the truth of His words. IF IF I sin, I can repent, confess and ask forgiveness for causing another pain and wound to His loving heart – and He is my Advocate with God. “Father Faan sinned again and wounded Me and grieved You and your Holy Spirit. He has confessed it with deep grief and sorrow. Can you forgive Him? I will wash Him and make him whiter than snow in my blood” And God forgives. Grace undeserved. Glory and thanks be to God.
I CANNOT though continue over and over and over grieving and wounding Him. NO NEVER! GOD FORBID as in Rom 6.
1John 1:8-9 troubled me for many years because it “seems” to contradict all the Scriptures demanding the opposite. And the solution is in the Greek. Wuest writes in Vol. 2, p.103 ‘“sin” here is singular in number and is used without the definite article, all pointing to the fact that the nature is referred to, not to sinful acts.’ This verse therefore means: Someone who says he has no sinful nature, i.e. there is no possibility for him to sin, is a liar.
Holy is holy. There is no way around it. 1Pet 1 As He is holy, be ye holy in all manner of conduct. Eph 5:27 that He might present it to Himself as the glorious church, without spot or wrinkle or any such things, but that it should be holy and without blemish.1Th 5:22 Abstain from every appearance of evil. 1Th 5:23 And may the God of peace Himself sanctify you, and may your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blamelessly at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. 1Th 5:24 Faithful is He who called you, who also will do it. 2Co 7:1 Then having these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all defilements of flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God. Mat 5:48 Therefore be perfect, even as your Father in Heaven is perfect. 1Th 3:13 in order to establish your hearts blameless in holiness before God, Col 1:22 in the body of His flesh through death, to present you holy and without blemish, and without charge in His sight, Jud 1:24 Now to Him being able to keep you without stumbling, and to set you before His glory without blemish, with unspeakable joy;
Glorious words for those who believe them and find them!!
Have YOU read your Bible correctly and properly if you say we cannot live holy lives? That is why Paul says someone opposing holiness and godliness is opposing GOD not man and 1Ti 6:4 says “he is proud, knowing nothing. He is sick concerning doubts and arguments, from which comes envy, strife, evil speakings, evil suspicions, 1Ti 6:5 meddling, of men whose minds have been corrupted and deprived of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness. Withdraw from such.”
Deborah, you should not say you are happy I am not a Calvinist. That is pride. If you are truthful and sincere, you should apologize for falsely calling me a name which I was not.
In closing finally. I should also obey God’s word in 1Tim 6 and will now withdraw from you for persisting to oppose godliness. I have said what I can and should. If you do not believe God’s words, how will you believe me? Even if I rose from death, you will not believe me.
I end with your own words: I truly and sincerely hope this rebuke will bring you to your senses.
Yours truthfully in Christ Jesus, the Messiah’s Name.
P.S. If you want to respond, please send it to my email address. I will not visit you anymore.
Faan
>> Deborah, you should not say you are happy I am not a Calvinist. That is pride. If you are truthful and sincere, you should apologize for falsely calling me a name which I was not.
Pride for being happy? Seriously? I think it’s official, you need help. And if you read properly you will see we did apologise in ADVANCE for coming to the conclusion that you might be a Calvinist.
>> Have YOU read your Bible correctly and properly if you say we cannot live holy lives?
As a born again Christian (with the Holy Spirit abiding in you) you will strive (because of the Holy Spirit) to become like Christ in holiness, (you strive not to sin, but you will always sin, and that is why we need Jesus as He is there to forgive us our sin when we come to Him and ask for forgiveness) but we will never be holy like Christ or a Christ. To say you are sinless is blaspheming Jesus Christ as you elevate yourself to His level.
Faan wrote,
Nowhere in all of Scripture are we told to confess our sinful nature. We are commanded to crucify it. Verse 9 which goes with the previous verse 8 says “If we confess our sins . . . (plural). Do you have more than one sinful nature? 1 John 1 verses 8 and 9 does not deal with our sinful nature. It deals with our sins because the blood of Jesus cleanses us of all our sins. It does not cleanse us of our sinful nature. As I said earlier, the sinful nature must be crucified, daily.
Your reference to Wuest is therefore misplaced and totally wrong.
None of us here on Discerning the World ever said that we cannot live holy lives. We said that holiness is not equal to sinlessness. Why do you ignore the passage I quoted to you?
The entire nation of Israel is a holy nation unto the Lord. Are they sinless?
You wrote,
Have you forgotten that this rebuke came from you in the first place and not from us?
Beware of a Pharasaic pride mirrored in these words, “God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican” I AM HOLY; THEY ARE UNHOLY SCOUNDRELS. (Luke 18:11)
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From: Heather L
Sent: 11 June 2015 03:08 AM
To: DTW
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What is truth how do you know when something truth
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Sent: 11 June 2015 09:34 AM
To: ‘Heather L’
Subject: RE:
You take what you have heard or read to the Word of God and study the scriptures (PROPERLY and in CONTEXT) and then you know what is truth and what is not. Do you do that?
When you read the Bible and respond to the Word of God, it’s interesting that people then can become Christian. However no one becomes a Mormon or JW or even under the power of the faith movement by just reading the Bible. People become other things in these other categories by reading someone else’s take on it. Like a screen in front of the truth in some cases.
However there are people who the Lord uses to help us to understand Biblical truths. But the Bible is our tool by which we can work out what is truth and what is error.
Hi
Any advice if possible.
I moved to CT 3 years ago and I am unable to find a solid Bible based church or ministry in the Bloubergstrand area.
It seems every church here is seeker sensitive, or word of faith driven. Even the Baptist church dabbles in the prophetic.
I have not been able to find one church in the 25 or so in that area.
Thank You
Shannon
This is a problem all Bible believing Christians have these days. Where to go . . . .? Pray to God to send you genuine Christians who have a desire to know the Truth and start a little Bible study group in your home.
Thank You for your reply Tom
It did cross my mind to do that.At the moment I drive to and from work listening to Podcasts from “Stand up for the truth” and “Fighting for the faith”,as well as reading this site to try to keep my biblical perspective on track.
I wonder if what is happening in the Churches today has something to do with the great falling away?
Thank You again
Shannon
Just thought I would let you know that Stand up for the truth is Calvinistic and Fighting for the Faith is Lutheran.
>> I wonder if what is happening in the Churches today has something to do with the great falling away?
That is correct, in fact we are so far into it, we’re almost through it.
Hi
I do not know what that means. Calvinistic or Lutheran?
What I hear them teach is that we are born sinners and need to obviously acknowledge that and believe that Jesus died for us and if we confess our sins and have faith that he is the risen saviour we will be saved?
Fighting for the faith has mentions they believe in Lutheran doctrine but there are many different sects of Lutherans and they do not associate with some of them. I guess you know the podcasts , but I cant find anything else that seems close enough to the unchanged doctrine.The more I search for teachings that are as close to what I can see is the written word there seems to be issues that crop up.
I grew up in Theo Wolamarans Church in the 80s and kept to that thinking most of my life until my younger sister became terminally ill. During her illness I witnessed the confusion in my family and the horror and infighting about faith healing.No prayer of faith which all of us were taught healed her and she died in 8 months. After that I searched every night online for answers and realised that I had been taught a great error. I totally gave up everything I was taught and decided that I would wipe my heart clean and start with the basics of the gospel.
So I am a bit lost with regards to finding correct teachings or meeting up with people who are grounded biblically.
Shannon
I think, when you add a name to your belief like Calvinism (from John Calvin) and Lutheranism (from Martin Luther), instead of just being a born again Christian, then you need to ask questions.
The long and short of it, Calvinists believe in what is called Predestination, that God elect some to be saved before the foundation of the world and then others God selects to go to hell. Calvinists believe in regeneration, that in order for you to believe in God, God has to regenerate you first. God also grants the Elect faith before they are regenerated. They believe that man has no free-will he has no faith, hence God must give the Elect faith. They also believe that Jesus Christ did not die for the whole world, but only for those God chose to be Elect. John Calvin was a murderer and murdered those who did not believe in what he believed. Calvinism has a strong Roman Catholic connection: https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2013/01/29/calvinisms-roman-catholic-connection/
Read: The Legacy of John Calvin – Part 1, 2 and 3
Lutheranism technically still have one foot in the Roman Catholic door. Martin Luther although he tried to break free from the Roman Catholic Church actually didn’t. “In his later works, notably On the Jews and Their Lies, Luther expressed antagonistic views toward Jews, writing that Jewish synagogues and homes should be destroyed, their money confiscated, and liberty curtailed.” https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Martin_Luther
Following these doctrines is the same as following Seventh Day Adventists for instance. They too preach a gospel that sounds quite good, but when look under the hood you find that it’s dark and grim and laden with horrible false teaching.
I too was caught up in the doctrine of Calvinism for a short while and when I realised what it was all about I put on my running shoes and made a dash for the door.
Hi
Thank you for your response
It was interesting reading the links you posted as well as concerning.
I must say though in the 2 years I have listened to those programs those beliefs have never ever been mentioned, and what they drive is penitent faith in Jesus Christ for all humans,they also promote scripture as the standard to life and scripture bust be read in context and preached with exposition .Perhaps they have moved away from those roots hopefully.
I am lost all affiliation to any ‘brand of Christianity” a few years ago and try to look at the bible as being prescriptive as well as descriptive in context.Hopefully I am going in the right direction and all that I have heard from those Podcasts aligns exactly to what is on this site.I guess that’s why I read this site a lot as it confirms exactly what I have been hearing.
The more I read and you have confirmed that we are already far into the great falling away. Church now days is all about branding, entertainment, retail, money and there is no more mention of the word SIN.I know that I was born a rotten sinner and without Jesus as a Saviour I will burn in hell. I guess that is the basis of my faith .
It is nice finally to ask questions and be given some direction though as I have questions but have not got anyone to ask.
Thank you again