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Deborah (Discerning the World)

Deborah Ellish is the author of the above article. Discerning the World is an internet Christian Ministry based in Johannesburg South Africa. Tom Lessing and Deborah Ellish both own Discerning the World. For more information see the About this Website page below the comments section.

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  1. blank Sharon says:

    I truly feel for you…when your head hurts you hurt all over.

    Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:

    Sharon

    >> If a Christian chooses to be bitter it is then they offend the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit living in us has not pushed us into perfection… …not yet, not here.

    Well said.

    Regarding the headaches; I wish they were migraines, then I would have something to take, but they are not migraines, it’s due to the Epilepsy, and the brain is so complicated and, and, and, and..

  2. blank Sharon says:

    I’ve never been known for being sane! :o) I agree with you as it concerns young Christians. This comments I’m fixing to make is about me, not you. When I expose something to another Christian I want them to see it from the unction of the Holy Spirit & the Word of God teaching them. I don’t want them to believe or not believe something because Sharon said so. I am praying about an opportunity to teach a woman’s class at my church. I do not know yet if the Lord will permit it. If it is about me, then it will fail. But if it is all about Him then I will be used of Him. That is a burning passion I have. I want to be used in what ever capacity the Lord chooses for me at this point in my life.

    I tell people that I am not a teacher. I’m not a speaker. BUT I am a talker and I love to talk about the Word of God. I pray that my passionate love for Jesus Christ shows in what I “talk” and in my walk.

    Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:

    Sharon

    >> I have been guilty sometimes of throwing out said meat with the bones when exposing something I personally believe is wrong.

    The thing is that this website is all exposing false teaching and staying on the narrow path. It’s my duty to warn people that things are problematic, not keep silent. So if a website SEEMS ok, but is actually not, then I will say something.

    For instance the http://ivarfjeld.com/ – great website on exposing the RCC but I picked up that he is anti pretrib – for anyone that is struggling spiritually a website like this will throw them off track and possibly lead them to another path.

    So I will throw the baby out with the bathwater on this website. Only those who are really spiritually sound will go to websites like the this and come out of them as sane as they entered.

  3. blank Wayne Jack says:

    Obama White House Twitter account has turned the eagle UPSIDE DOWN on the President’s Seal. The wording is still right side up. Obama is upside down as a president. This is a Demonic sign and is a warning that the USA is about to be turned “upside down” soon. If anyone lives in the USA like I do, be prepared. My guess is that we will soon see some huge natural disasters like never before. Please pray for the USA. The Evil doers are toast.

    May the Mighty Lord Jesus keep us (believers) safe.

    God Bless everyone!

  4. Really? What’s the twitter account name? This is what I found and I don’t see no eagle? https://twitter.com/whitehouse

  5. blank Sharon says:

    I did not see anything you described. I am an American. Wayne, we don’t need a twitter account to tell us we’re in big trouble in the USA. As far as what you describe being a “demonic sign” I don’t know about that. We give satan too much credit sometimes. Is satan to blame for the problems that we have in the USA? Could it be that a few generations of Christians including this present generation are to blame? Churches have become “the place to be seen” like a country club offering ski trips, golf outings and the like. There is nothing wrong with having hobbies. But when they become the focal point of the church then something is very wrong and I won’t blame satan for that. We have some Pastors that teach that hell doesn’t exist and that your good works will get you into heaven. No, I won’t blame “signs” that may or may not be “demonic” for the condition of America.

    America has not cornered the market on sin either. The WHOLE WORLD is about to be shaken, not just the USA. There is strife in Russia, China, Africa, USA, Canada, Mexico, England, Wales, Ireland, Scotland and on and on and on. The biggest problem I see with we Americans is that we have become spoiled brats! Every one wants “their rights” and believe that their rights are more important than someone else’s rights. We have had an abundance of food for generations. We have been called the “bread basket of the world.” Our technology, especially in the field of medicine is unsurpassed. Our technology to get the oil out of the ground made every Arab Sheik rich and yet because of their “religion of peace” they hate all of us. But their nations will not be immune from the shaking of the earth that is coming.

    We as Christian citizens of the USA and every other country are going to need courage in the days ahead. If you believe as I do, that Jesus Christ was born of a virgin, that He lived a sinless life, He died on the cross and shed His most precious blood for the sins of ALL mankind, that he was in the tomb for three days and rose again so that we might have eternal life and if we dare believe in the rapture of all true Christians then we will be considered the enemy. While scripture plainly and clearly teaches that we, the Bride of Christ, will NOT go through the Great Tribulation (Jesus is not a bride beater) but that doesn’t mean that we will be immune from a great persecution. That will happen all over the world not just in America.

    It is past time to stop worrying about our President. In Dan_4:17 This matter is by the decree of the watchers, and the demand by the word of the holy ones: to the intent that the living may know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men. It is God alone that give the kingdoms to who ever HE wills. Sure we have the right to vote, but in God’s political system HE appoints the rulers of the nations.

    Stop worrying about what is or isn’t demonic. Evil is every where so it doesn’t take much to know who tempts man to do evil and it isn’t God. Our time left here is about the purpose of life…To know God, To make Him known and thereby Glorify Him.

    Wayne, live the life God has given you. Don’t get bogged down with things of this world but in turn don’t be so heavenly minded that you’re no earthly good. God is faithful. He will go through the coming storms with us.

    Rest in His peace Wayne.

    Wayne Jack wrote:

    Obama White House Twitter account has turned the eagle UPSIDE DOWN on the President’s Seal. The wording is still right side up. Obama is upside down as a president. This is a Demonic sign and is a warning that the USA is about to be turned “upside down” soon. If anyone lives in the USA like I do, be prepared. My guess is that we will soon see some huge natural disasters like never before. Please pray for the USA. The Evil doers are toast.

    May the Mighty Lord Jesus keep us (believers) safe.

    God Bless everyone!

  6. blank Claudia says:

    Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:

    Really? What’s the twitter account name? This is what I found and I don’t see no eagle? https://twitter.com/whitehouse

    Hi Deborah,

    Scroll down…. it is hidden behind the text. Interesting.

  7. blank Sharon says:

    oops, I meant Chucks daughter Sarah, not his wife. Her name is Connie.

    Sharon wrote:

    I know Chuck Baldwin. He and my “ex” started out at the same Bible College in Pontiac, Michigan USA in 1972; but in Chuck’s 2nd year he left and went to Liberty University in Lynchburg, Virginia USA. Yes he is off the deep end at times politically. But he is a good man, a good soldier of Christ. I really know his mother-in-law much better as we were very good friends. I remember when Chucks wife Sarah was just a baby and I helped care for her in the church nursery. That was in about 1973 or 74. Whew….I’m getting old! :o)

    Chuck pastored Crossroads Baptist Church in Pensacola, Florida USA for some where around 33 years. He was recognized by President Reagan for starting and having one of the fastest growing churches in the USA during the 80′s.

    Then he and his whole family some 25 or so of them moved about 3 years ago to Kalispell, Montana, USA and started Liberty Fellowship Church.

    I won’t recommend any more sites Deborah. I have to keep reminding myself that this site is not a sight in the United States of America. There are some people here on this site that I have no clue who they are and I surely do not understand the political climate in South Africa.

    3John 1:2 Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.

    Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:

    Sharon

    http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/ and another is http://www.blessedquietness.com/

    Deborah, the above web site is pretty good. I thought you might like to take a look at it. The second one mentioned is a good site. I have used his site many times while studying. He was a Missionary at one time some where in your area of the world.

    The first one promotes The Harbinger and that is as far as I got – That Harbinger is false. Kahn is one of their contributors as well as Chuck Baldwin, a political junkie. Not a safe place. I was less than impressed with the 2nd link. A bunch of KJV ONLISM mishmash. I honestly would not frequent it.

    I have my places where I get good solid biblical teaching, I don’t need websites like these, but thank you very much for showing them to me 🙂

  8. Oh my goodness, I see it! What the…

    Thanks, guys… my word.

  9. blank cecilia says:

    I don’t know whether I could post this here, but here goes:

    Dear Deborah
    I am glad that you are merging with Waak en Bid!

    God works in mysterious ways, isn’t it?

    oh yes, I’ve read the post comment about the upside down eagle on the President’s seal in America, and came upon this page, which might interest you?

    http://freethoughtblogs.com/dispatches/2013/05/17/the-fallen-eagle-has-landed-with-a-thud/

    anyways, I’m always praying for you. the Lord God bless you and make you a blessing to others! c

  10. Heya C

    Of course you can post it here 🙂 Thank you for the link that that article.

    love you!

  11. Now that article on the ‘fallen eagle’ makes sense, but then why put the eagle on twitter like that? If you are in the whitehouse and you took a photo of the eagle on the roof you could do it facing the Right way in order the that eagle faces upright…

  12. blank Sharon says:

    I looked at the site. Nothing surprises me about this administration. With that said, it really doesn’t matter. I love my country but I’m just passing through. The USA is not my final home. I believe we are in the very last of the last days and all of the conspiracy theories are always going to be there. The “Illumined Ones” the “Elite” hide in plain sight. There is symbolism all over the USA concerning the New World Order. The Olympics had symbolism every where. So if the “Elite” are hiding in plain sight in the USA and Great Britain then they hide in plain sight all over the world.

    This is nothing but a distraction for some Christians I know. There is nothing wrong with being Patriotic and loving one’s nation. Americans have had this rabid passion for politics and it gets dirty. So when we see our government corruption no matter what country we live in we have to remember that the Government is on HIS shoulders. He gives the kingdoms to who ever HE wills.

    Our duty as good citizens, Christian citizens is to pray for those in authority over us, whether we like them or not. But most of all we are to keep our eyes on Jesus Christ.

    Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:

    Now that article on the ‘fallen eagle’ makes sense, but then why put the eagle on twitter like that? If you are in the whitehouse and you took a photo of the eagle on the roof you could do it facing the Right way in order the that eagle faces upright…

  13. blank Robbie says:

    mmm makes me think of some church seals that changed the dove (supposed to represent the Holy Spirit) upside down and turn it into a kamakazi dove? (one that heads straight down)

    A resemblance would not surprise me… the church is also turned on it’s head. i e.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afrikaanse_Protestantse_Kerk

  14. blank Jean says:

    I love and forgive. Why do you post articles that claim I don’t because I am reformed? Do you know me?

  15. Jean

    I know your doctrine and Calvinists agree that If they love Christ they then must hate unbelievers, I am according to you and unbeliever because I am not Elect. Please do some research on your own doctrine and then come back and tell me you ‘don’t love and forgive’. If after finding out the truth about Calvinism and you really do love and forgive, then you need to change doctrines and instead of being Elect, get Saved!

  16. blank Redeemed says:

    Jean, please examine your beliefs. You may sincerely believe that you love and forgive, but what exactly do you mean by that?

    Firstly, do you believe that Christ died for all mankind or do you believe that He only died for certain ones? Do you believe in Limited Atonement?

    Do you believe that God loves everyone and desires that everyone be saved?

    Do you believe that God created some people with the intent of sending them to an eternal hell?

    The aim of this website is to help you, not attack you or any other Calvinst/Reformed person for that matter.

  17. blank Sharon says:

    Our purpose is to Know God, Make Him known and thereby glorify God.

    Micheline wrote:

    I have a question, if I may:

    What is the human being’s purpose on earth?

  18. blank Sharon says:

    As an American I am spoiled where good Christian music is concerned. Yes, we must be very careful because just as there is a Counterfeit Christianity with it’s Counterfeit “Savior” there is also Counterfeit Christian Music. To be safe in the area of music I find that the Great Hymns of the Faith are usually safe. But not all of them are scriptural.

    I came from a some what musical family. My dad lead the singing in the little Baptist church that I grew up in. I will post my very favorite hymn here. I have asked Deborah if it will be ok to do this from time to time as a source of encouragement for us. Any words of a song I post will no longer be under copyright so it will be ok. Plus all my favorites are scriptural. If I have the information I will tell the history of the hymn. So, here is my all time favorite hymn. IT IS WELL WITH MY SOUL

    This hymn was written after two major traumas in Spafford’s life. The first was the great Chicago Fire of October 1871, which ruined him financially (he had been a wealthy businessman). Shortly after, while crossing the Atlantic, all four of Spafford’s daughters died in a collision with another ship. Spafford’s wife Anna survived and sent him the now famous telegram, “Saved alone.” Several weeks later, as Spafford’s own ship passed near the spot where his daughters died, the Holy Spirit inspired these words. They speak to the eternal hope that all believers have, no matter what pain and grief befall them on earth.

    When peace, like a river, attendeth my way,
    When sorrows like sea billows roll;
    Whatever my lot, Thou hast taught me to say,
    It is well, it is well with my soul.
    It is well with my soul,
    It is well, it is well with my soul.

    Though Satan should buffet, tho’ trials should come,
    Let this blest assurance control,
    That Christ has regarded my helpless estate,
    And hath shed His own blood for my soul.
    It is well with my soul,
    It is well, it is well with my soul.

    My sin—oh, the bliss of this glorious tho’t:
    My sin, not in part, but the whole,
    Is nailed to the cross and I bear it no more,
    Praise the Lord, praise the Lord, O my soul!
    It is well with my soul,
    It is well, it is well with my soul.

    And, Lord, haste the day when the faith shall be sight,
    The clouds be rolled back as a scroll,
    The trump shall resound and the Lord shall descend,
    “Even so” it is well with my soul.
    It is well with my soul,
    It is well, it is well with my soul.

    Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:

    Dan

    To be honest I don’t recommend any. Even your ‘Christian worship music’ is tainted by people who profess the name of Jesus but are only doing it to make money (selling cd’s)

    I was very much into heavy music before I was saved, so I now do not listen to any music voluntarily. It was something that I gave up to follow Jesus Christ totally. I tried to find a replacement, but worldly music, be is classified as Christian is still worldly. People listen to it to satisfy their feelings, emotions, their flesh – they say they are praising God, but they are not, they themselves are enjoying the tune, not God.

    Sing to Jesus in your own privacy, with your own words, not someone else’s (who had a different meaning to their words).

  19. blank Sharon says:

    You answered your question in your question. Jesus gave his disciples the ability to raise the dead. Those disciples went on to be called Apostles. The word Apostle means, One that is sent and they also knew Jesus Christ in person. Even the Apostle Paul knew Jesus in person on the road to Damascus. The miracle capability of the Apostles stopped when the last one died, the Apostle John. There are no true Apostles today since no one has seen Jesus Christ in person. Do miracles still happen? Yes, I do believe they do. First the best miracle of all is when a sinner realizes he/she needs a savior and then places their faith and trust in Him.

    I will give you an example of a miracle in the life of my father. My dad was given 4 days to live because he had both Pancreatic and Liver cancer. No one survives those cancers together. My dad lived for 12 more years! Did he go to a “faith healer.” NO! He was healed by God and God used my dad’s doctor to treat him with the proper medications. But eventually, in 2008 my dad went home to live with Jesus forever. Did his cancer return, nope! He died from double pneumonia. But now he is completely and totally healed forever. My momma died that same year and she is totally healed forever too. Praise God!

    Dan wrote:

    In Matthew, Jesus gave his disciples the tools they need to go and preach the gospel. Those tools included raising the dead, why don’t we see that happening in modern times? In today’s world?

  20. blank Sharon says:

    I meant to say masculine, feminine and neuter. Oh well, I’m an American what can I say. :o)

    Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:

    Sharon

    You are correct, “When “that” which is perfect is come…etc. IS referring to the Bible”

  21. blank Wayne Jack says:

    Deborah that is the correct link. You can’t see it? It’s right in front of you. I don’t know how you can miss it.

    Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:

    Really? What’s the twitter account name? This is what I found and I don’t see no eagle? https://twitter.com/whitehouse

  22. Wayne

    Read the comments properly! I didn’t see it at first, then I did and this is what I say. And it’s not right in front of you, you have to scroll down, and it’s hidden.

  23. blank Dan says:

    Has anyone ever read any of Mark Cahill’s books? Are they sound? Please advice.

  24. Dan

    Never even heard of him, sorry.

  25. blank Redeemed says:

    Dan, regarding Mark Cahill.
    He is an evangelist and although I have not followed his ministry closely, there is good reason to believe that he is solid.

    Mr. Cahill came out firmly against Calvinism in 2010 and unleased a firestorm of wrath from both Calvinist/Reformed and others who accused him of “dividing the Body of Christ” when in fact he was spreading forth the truth.

    This is not an endorsement because I do not know this blogger, but he spells it out pretty clearly where Mr. Cahill is coming from and what he says dovetails with what Deborah’s and Tom’s site stands for.

    Until I hear differently, I would put Mr. Cahill in the “good guys” column.

    Here is the link: http://blog.savetheperishing.com/?p=523

  26. blank Dan says:

    Thank you Redeemed for the feedback. Deborah, I wanted to make the following comment on “Back to Rome or is it Babylon?” However, it seems the comments section is closed or maybe there was a problem when I tried.

    We know that the next kingdom to be established on earth is not of God. According to the Book of Daniel it will come in the form of a revived Roman Empire.
    First, a world united under a single universal world religion, established with the arrival of the False Christ. He is Allah, Krishna, the Buddha, the Catholic Christ – basically any one of these the masses will feel comfortable with. Even the Jews mistakenly accept him as their Messiah because he brings peace to the Middle – East. This false Christ will then focus his followers’ attention to a prominent Political Leader.

    Second, this Political Leader unites the world under one political system and he creates a single world financial system, that abolishes all private or individual business transactions that are not part of the global system.

    The Boston Bombing, the Woolwich attack – are created events that will become more frequent because they have a desired objective in mind: get the people to demand tougher legislation that will deal with religious extremists. Once these laws are in place, they will be used to start persecuting the only religion that stands in the way of “a world united for peace,” under a one world religion: Evangelical Christianity.

    On October 27, 1986 – Leaders from all different faiths and denominations, from across the world, came together in Rome for the first ‘Day of Prayer’. A 160 leaders were present and every religion was represented except one, Evangelical Christianity. The pope called them “a sect”. Evangelical Christians believe that Jesus is “the” way to God instead of “a” way to God. “I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father but through me”. (Joh 14:6) The concept of “a” way to God, is paving the way for a Universal Creator / god to be accepted by the masses. “ANOTHER Jesus with ANOTHER gospel” as described in (2 Cor 11:4). Clearly this leaves no room for any “other Christ” – which makes their goal of unification impossible.

    http://nsnbc.me/2013/05/24/the-boston-bombings-and-the-cia-connection-graham-fuller-and-uncle-ruslan-tsarnaev/

  27. Dan

    >> I wanted to make the following comment on “Back to Rome or is it Babylon?” However, it seems the comments section is closed or maybe there was a problem when I tried.

    I think you can try comment there now.

  28. blank Sharon says:

    It’s time for a hymn since I remembered to post them here instead of others places…I’m such a goofball! But Jesus loves me. Here’s an Oldie & a Goodie.

    When We All Get to Heaven
    Sing the wondrous love of Jesus,
    Sing His mercy and His grace.
    In the mansions bright and blessèd
    He’ll prepare for us a place.

    Refrain:

    When we all get to Heaven,
    What a day of rejoicing that will be!
    When we all see Jesus,
    We’ll sing and shout the victory!

    While we walk the pilgrim pathway,
    Clouds will overspread the sky;
    But when traveling days are over,
    Not a shadow, not a sigh.

    Refrain

    Let us then be true and faithful,
    Trusting, serving every day;
    Just one glimpse of Him in glory
    Will the toils of life repay.

    Refrain

    Onward to the prize before us!
    Soon His beauty we’ll behold;
    Soon the pearly gates will open;
    We shall tread the streets of gold.

    Refrain

  29. blank Andrew says:

    Dear John, thank you for your support I appreciate it. Nou oor na ons vriend, Thomas.
    Thomas, Jy het Gen. 1:26 gelees en ek is seker, doelbewus nie die daaropvolgende vers 27 gelees nie, wat lees: En God het die mens geskape na Sy beeld; na die beeld van God het Hy hom geskape, man en vrou het Hy hulle geskape. Want dit bewys wat God bedoel het,(na Sy beeld en nie HULLE beeld, na die beeld van God het Hy, nie na die beeld van God het HULLE, vervang al die “Hy’s” met hulle soos jy glo, dan sien ons waar jy uitkom. Dit daargelaat. Jy kon nie my vraag beantwoord van hoe die beeld van die eerste Persoon van die Drie-eenheid lyk nie. Ek gaan jou nou voorstel aan die Beeld van God!” Hy is die Beeld van die onsienlike God, die Eersgeborene van die hele skepping; (16) want in Hom is alle dinge geskape wat in die hemele en op die aarde is, wat sienlik en onsienlik is, trone sowel as heerskappye en owerhede en magte — alle dinge is deur Hom en tot Hom geskape. (17) En Hy is voor alle dinge en in Hom hou alle dinge stand. Kol. 1 : 15 – 17
    Thomas, hier verwys Paulus natuurlik na Jesus. Die rede waarom Paulus met soveel oortuiging kan spreek word oa. in Kol.1:19 – 20, deur Paulus beklemtoon, “Want dit het die Vader behaag dat in Hom die ganse volheid sou woon
    (20) en dat Hy deur Hom (Jesus) alles met Homself (God) sou versoen nadat Hy vrede gemaak het deur die bloed van sy kruis—ek sê deur Hom –die dinge op die aarde sowel as die dinge in die hemele.” Jy is reg niemand het ooit God gesien nie, die eniggebore seun van God die het Hom verklaar. Joh. 1:18.

    Dit is juis omdat dit God se plan was om die mens op voetsool vlak te ontmoet, soos duidelik in die OU TESTAMENT plaasgevind het,
    en God mos geweet die mens kan nie Sy heerlikheid aanskou en bly leef nie en God is onsienlik want His Gees. Daarom dat Hy ’n Beeld, voorhangsel, noem dit wat u wil, tot stand gebring waarin Hy homself kon vergestalt, sodat Hy op ‘n persoonlike vlak met die mens kon kommunikeer, ek meen is dit so moeilik om te verstaan!

    Kol. 2:9, Want in Hom woon al die volheid van die Godheid liggaamlik (10) en julle het die volheid in Hom (Jesus) wat die hoof is oor alle owerhede en mag.
    God sê iewers in Hebreërs “ U is My Seun, vandag het ek U gegenereer…..! Hierdie genereer het gebeur om bg. vers te vervul.
    , 1Tim.2:5
    : Sê “Daar is een middelaar tussen God en die mens, die mens Christus Jesus”. Dit sê nie God die Seun nie, Maar die mens…
    Die terms: God die seun, God die Heilige Gees, die woord, drie-eenheid kan nie in die skrif gevind word nie. Alles mensgemaak!

    Het jy geweet dat die drie-een met die doop van Mat.28:19 deur
    DroomsK. Kerk aanvaar word.Ensoos jy verwerp hulle ook die
    Geloof in een God. Drie persone = drie gode in enige taal.
    God Bless.

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