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SHARON
>> As far as where to go to church I find that we will only get out of church what we put into it.
>> We get out of a service what we put into it. JMO
>> are we “late as usual” for the service? Or…do we enter into worship mad at God because He didn’t answer a prayer in the positive for us?
Sorry to say but I disagree, and I mean this in the nicest of ways. If you live in an area where the churches are full flown Word of Faith, NAR, Calvinistic, and other cults, you are left with nothing. You can’t go to a cult and put into it and hope to get something good out out of it.
Now for another example, you are a born again Christian, you attend a church but you are finding it increasingly more difficult by the week to listen to what the pastor is preaching because the HOLY SPIRIT is warning you what is being preaching is FALSE. So you go to the pastor (like many Christians have done before) and they tell the pastor their concerns. What happens, they are looked at as though they are mad. Then rumour spreads around the church that you are a trouble maker. You see the Holy Spirit can’t keep company a false spirit. You approach the pastor again to try and make peace, but still letting the pastor know that you are not happy with what is being taught. A couple of weeks go by and ‘you try desperately to ‘put into the church’ by trying to help here and there because you can feel the hatred and you hope that by helping out here and there things will change. But no matter how much you put into it, the bible says they are going to hate you and there is not point, you need to get outta there. So you leave. And you try the next church and the next church and the next church, and then you get labelled and church hopper and you feel bad about that, but the Holy Spirit tells you don’t worry, this is to be expected in these last days. And so as time goes you end up hopping home groups as well, because they start off ok and then dwindle off into false teaching. The only genuine Christians you know live so far away from you, the only way to fellowship is over the phone, via email, etc.
So please be thankful that you have a pastor and a church! And don’t be so rigid against those who don’t. There are millions of born again Christians around the world looking for genuine fellowship and are struggling to find it because of the area they live in. They do what the can. They study with their husbands and fellowship with maybe one or two others that they can find. And Jesus accepts that! The apostles spent most of his life on the road and in prison being beaten, not lining up all prim and proper and on time for church… Jesus says Matthew 18:20 “For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.” and He means it.
Those in the grave, the dead IN Christ will rise and we will be “caught up together” with them to meet the Lord in the air and so shall we ever be. The “Rapture” of the church, the Bride of Christ is NOT based on our “works.” I have read that some believe that only those totally sold out to Jesus will go up in the Rapture. This is not true. Our Salvation is not based on good works. The keeping of our Salvation is not based on our works. So going up during the rapture will not be based on our works. Those like us who have received Jesus Christ as Savior will either go up in the Rapture or when we die we will be with our Lord Jesus. Here are some revealing words from the Apostle Paul:
2Cor 5:6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:
2Cor 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight:)
2Co 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
2Cor 5:9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.
2Cor 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
WE, the Saved will be at the “Judgment Seat of Christ. This Judgment is NOT to determine if we are Saved or not. (Rom_8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.)
But we will be judged & rewarded for the things we did here in this life for the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
During the time of the 7 year Tribulation period we will be in heaven, receiving our rewards if any. Then we have the Marriage of the Lamb, our Bridegroom and we His Bride. But hold on… …at the end of the Tribulation. These next verses make this old Baptist gal shout Hallelujah!
Rev 19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
Rev 19:8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
Rev 19:9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.
Rev 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
Rev 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
Rev 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
Rev 19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. AWESOME!
Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:
Deborah, the time of what you are calling “Paradise” is heaven. Remember this, the Old Testament Saints were in a place of what was called Abrahams Bosom. Then when Jesus Christ died he “lead captivity captive.”
Eph 4:8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
The following is how I have been taught concerning this. When the OT Saints died they were in a place of peace and rest. It’s like there is a place with two rooms. One room was Hell and the other Paradise/Abrahams Bosom. (Read Luke 16:19-31) I have heard people say that this true story was just a “Parable.” But proper names (Lazarus) are never used in Parables. So this is a true account of a rich man that died and went to hell. Read this mans description of the torments (plural) he was experiencing. But Lazarus was carried to Abrahams Bosom (that other “room.”)
When Jesus died he went to this room/paradise where the Old Testaments Saints were and took them Captive and brought them out and he gave gifts to them. What were the gifts? I can’t tell you all of them because I haven’t seen heaven yet. But the greatest gift was Jesus Christ Himself! Since no man comes to the Father but by Jesus that included the OT Saints. They were NOT in hell, nor did Jesus go to hell as the Word of Faith false teachers teach. They were at rest until Jesus brought them out. His precious blood that he had just shed also atoned for the Old Testament Saints.
I am not eloquent as you can plainly see here, but I gave as simple of example as I can. I see many young (not in age) Christians here at your site and that is a good thing. But the error that they have sometimes been taught is evident and sad. I know I don’t have all the answers, but I have enough of the answers to point them to Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. It is the Holy Spirit that leads us into all truth. Truth will never contradict the Bible.
When a New Testament Saint dies they do not go to a “temporary heaven.” That place was Abrahams Bosom. Up until Calvary the Old Testament was still in effect. But when Jesus poured out His precious blood on the Mercy Seat in Heaven the “room” where the Old Testament Saints were was closed! They immediately went to heaven. The thief on the cross that cried out to Jesus took a very fast trip to heaven! The other thief took a fast trip too but it was to hell.
I wish to add something to this conversation Michael. What may seem irrelevant to you in any particular topic may not be irrelevant to others. Your words concerning that Divorce should be dealt with here “sternly and aggressively” is just plain wrong. I mean no disrespect but why would you want to use a “blog” to chastise or even warn others about Divorce? If you’ve been through a divorce then you know the pain. If you have not been through a divorce then you have no clue of the pain and anguish the “innocent spouse” goes through. From the beginning of our separation I was and still am willing to take my share of the blame for my marriage breaking down. BUT…until the day I draw my very last breath I will take no blame for a divorce that I didn’t want and did all I knew to do to try to save my marriage.
Too many Christians, maybe such as yourself, believe that “Divorce” very close to being the unpardonable sin. Yes, Jesus spoke about divorce and so did Paul.
“I AM DIVORCED” that does not make me a second class citizen of the church or heaven.
As you can see, I am very passionate about the issue of divorce. I am very passionate about my love and devotion to Jesus Christ. But to be aggressive on a “blog” is an insult. I hope it is obvious that Deborah and I are Daughters of the Most High God and HE alone is our Judge. God sees the “Big Picture” of our lives. He knew before I was born what would happen in my life and yet He still saved me and forgave me.
Sharon wrote:
I stand guilty for being rigid; so please accept my truly heartfelt apology. I also understand that you meant what you said in kindness. I forget that a lot of people that post here are not in America. We American True Christians are very spoiled. While there are a great many false teachers here there are also really rock solid churches too. God has used America/American Missionaries to get the gospel of Jesus Christ out to the world. Now America is swiftly becoming a Nation that missionaries will have to come here.
America has had her share of the Jimmy Swaggarts, Jim Bakkers, Billy Graham and other false teachers. When scandals happen the world sees this and they believe that all Christians are like them. Some of these Wolves are shown to be what they really are so they leave America and head for Europe and other places, Like Todd Bentley…he is a nutty and dangerous wolf.
There are a few examples of churches in Homes.
Philemon 1:2 And to our beloved Apphia, and Archippus our fellowsoldier, and to the church in thy house:
Romans 16:5 Likewise greet the church that is in their house. Salute my well-beloved Epaenetus, who is the first-fruits of Achaia unto Christ.
1Corinthians 16:19 The churches of Asia salute you. Aquila and Priscilla salute you much in the Lord, with the church that is in their house.
I agree with you about not attending a church where false dogma is taught. What I can tell you about when people go in love to talk to a Pastor concerning something he said people will usually lose and as you say, the rumors start. I find also that if a woman is the one talking to the Pastor about their concerns, they WILL LOSE big time.
Sometimes Pastors are not “female friendly” to their shame. Women have a vital role in the Church of Jesus Christ. In the Old Testament women were sometimes considered property. But Jesus changed all of that. He elevated women to a lofty and wonderful place. But then sometimes women take more authority than what Jesus permitted.
The things I mentioned about praying for your Pastor, being on time…etc was meant for those of us here in our church. I have known of people that were those things I said. I am not a “Prim and Proper” old grump. :o) I am also a “late freak!” I hate being late for anything, even when it is something I don’t want to do.
Hmmmmm I think I just changed topics! :o) Any way please forgive me. Email me some time and tell me where you live.
Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:
Sharon
I totally understand and I am very very happy that you understand 🙂
If you wish to keep the Law of Moses then feel free. But when you do then you must keep all the law. If you have an unruly child, then stone him/her. If you accidently use God’s name in vain then you must be put to death. You will have to purchase for yourself a whole lot of lambs and doves for sacrifices to cover your sins.
the Sabbath was for Israel and was for the purpose of their perpetual covenant with God.
harry wrote:
Well here in America it is time for Wednesday night prayer meeting. So I will go get ready. Deborah if I could I would take you with me. You would see how folks that love the Lord and that worship God in Spirit and in Truth enjoy services.
I can’t speak for all churches here but I realize how blessed we are in the USA. May we not take our freedom of worship for granted.
I personally believe that the reason some people are involved in these trends is because mankind has always wanted salvation on their own terms. Some want to participate in the Lord’s Supper or Communion every Sunday … etc. God made true salvation so easy for us. It wasn’t easy for Jesus but for us it is easy. Rather than make a thousand different ways to heaven, God made just one way, by grace through faith in Jesus alone. Nothing added, nothing subtracted.
How many lost souls will stand before God at the Great White Throne Judgment and will say, but my church, my priest, my pastor…etc. God says, what did you do with my Son?
Salvation is not by good works.
Lis Jensen wrote:
Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:
Hi Deborah, I’ve been busy “deciphering” Darby’s ‘Synopsis of the books of the Bible’. What a blessing, but my oh my – it’s old English. Plus he didn’t think before he wrote, he wrote in order to think.
I still pop in here as often as I can;-) Everything going well? I can’t wait to get started on those two articles you’ve uploaded on Hebrews parts 1 + 2. I pray that you will continue to experience the power of the Holy Spirit in your life and in what you are doing here. Blessings in Christ!
Here is how I have heard this taught. When “that” which is perfect is come…etc. IS referring to the Bible. Remember at the time of this Letter to the Corinthian church they did not have the complete scriptures as we do. Greek and many other languages have “genders” such a Male, Female,& Neuter. English words do not have genders. Jesus is always in the Masculine gender; and the true Church of Jesus Christ is always in the Female gender (the Bride). But the Word of God is always in the neuter gender. So the word “that” tells us what the Apostle Paul was talking about, The Word of God. That which IS perfect is the Word.
Remember there is no “New Revelation.” If you hear a teacher, preacher…etc. say they have a “New Revelation” from God…run, don’t walk, run from that person. They are truly a Wolf in Sheep’s clothing.
Even what we do know in the word we know very little about Heaven and the things of God so will still see through that “dark glass.” But on the day we walk into heaven, we will know everything that Jesus Christ knows! Face to face, our Faith becomes sight! I feel a big shout of hallelujah coming from deep inside this old Baptist gal.
As for your other questions I will leave it up to the All Wise Deborah, our handy, living, breathing Bible Commentator! :o)
1Corinthians 13:10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
1Co 13:11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
1Co 13:12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
JJ wrote:
Sharon
You are correct, “When “that” which is perfect is come…etc. IS referring to the Bible”
Deborah, Last night at church my Pastor was talking about the condition of our World and in particular the USA. The newspapers are filled with scandals from Government, to supposed Churches that say they proclaim Jesus Christ as the only Savior.
There is so much negativity that we can get burdened down with all of the corruption going on around us. Even here on your blog as you and others expose the works of darkness makes it sometimes depressing. (You do a great job!)
No one has knocked Jesus off the Throne! He has not backed off from the affairs of mankind. OUR GOD, OUR SAVIOR IS STILL IN CONTROL! Nothing takes Him by surprise. He isn’t sitting at the Right Hand of the Father scratching His head and wondering, “How did that happen?”
Governments around the world may turn against us, but look here: Romans 8:31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
Sometimes His Kids can get bogged down with what is going on around us. Sometimes these things can even be frightening especially if you have kids and grandkids.
When I find myself “fretting” over the evil in this world, I have to draw back, set my eyes on my King and find fulfillment in knowing the God of the Universe loved me so much and wanted me to live someday in heaven with Him, that He became the God/Man Jesus Christ, then died on a very cruel cross to redeem some wretch like me.
I believe in the days ahead we will have to have a great deal of courage; the kid of courage that no matter what is going on around us and maybe even to us, that we will have to do as the following verse says: Matthew 17:8 And when they had lifted up their eyes, they saw no man, save Jesus only.
It is 6:15 AM here in Louisiana (Central Time Zone in the USA) Let’s remember these two verses today: Psalm 30:5 For his anger endureth but a moment; in his favour is life: weeping may endure for a night, but joy cometh in the morning. & Psalm 118:24 This is the day which the LORD hath made; we will rejoice and be glad in it.
Jesus loves us far more than we can even imagine! Have a great day!
Sharon
Thank you for that encouragement. And you are so right. God knows that the world is turning evil, He told us this would happen and He told us to expect these things. Sometimes we just get taken-a-back because WE couldn’t think it could get any worse and then it does lol. It just means we are to hold onto Him tighter and tighter as time passes, until He comes to take us home.
Isn’t it awesome that the God of the Universe holds US tighter and tighter as time is swiftly passing and will soon come to an end. He will never, ever, absolutely never, ever let go of us! I feel a shout coming on! AMEN!
2Ti 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2Ti 3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
2Ti 3:3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
2Ti 3:4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
2Ti 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth
Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:
Deborah, which country do your reside in? Also, what is the prevailing attitude of people in your country about the USA? I know some people in other countries believe we are all arrogant war-mongers. That we believe we do not care about other people around the world.
My country is not perfect in any sense of the word. Crime is rampant. Government whether local or national is scandalous. We are being “set-up” for the last days here. When I say “we” I mean Bible believing Christians that believe in the Rapture of the church are labeled as dangerous. My son is in the US Air Force. Our military men and woman have been labeled as dangerous too.
But, when there is a National Disaster any where around the world it is the USA that rushes aid in to help the victims of that disaster. The citizens of the USA are the most generous givers to these causes as well. But when a disaster happens here we citizens hear, “serves them right,” or the USA can go to hell. I remember when Hurricane
Katrina hit New Orleans, Louisiana Saudi Arabia sent ICE. They sent ICE! We made the sheiks over there rich. Without American technology they would still be riding to town on their camels.
Then there are the countries that still love us and remember what we did for them during WWII. One of my Pastors from many years ago took a group of folks to the Philippines. The ladies of our church fill trunk loads of supplies for the folks in the jungle regions. We sent things for kids like Tylenol for Children, cough syrup, coloring books and crayons, Neosporin gel, Band-Aid bandages….just all kinds of stuff. One of the folks that went took his guitar which he ended up leaving there with a Native Pastor serving the folks in very remote places. Some how some cassette tapes of me singing Christian songs and a tape player with batteries. The jungle people loved the Americans. Some of the older folks remembered what America did to liberate them.
But in Manila they hated us. Plus there were anti-American riots going on for what ever reason.
I find it interesting that sometimes when you see on Television these folks that hate us, they are wearing American made clothing and shoes. Go figure.
Any way, I was just wondering what the attitude was there where you live.
http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/ and another is http://www.blessedquietness.com/
Deborah, the above web site is pretty good. I thought you might like to take a look at it. The second one mentioned is a good site. I have used his site many times while studying. He was a Missionary at one time some where in your area of the world.
I hope you enjoy both of them.
Deborah, did you ever attend some sort of Christian College? Since I am not familiar with where you live I do not know what access you have to such places. When I was too rigid concerning church attendance I figure that if there are no good churches close to you that there may not be a place of Christian College learning. If you have not God has blessed you with a vast amount of wisdom. Knowledge comes from College, but wisdom comes from God. :o)
I was just wondering.
Sharon
>> Deborah, did you ever attend some sort of Christian College? Since I am not familiar with where you live I do not know what access you have to such places. When I was too rigid concerning church attendance I figure that if there are no good churches close to you that there may not be a place of Christian College learning. If you have not God has blessed you with a vast amount of wisdom. Knowledge comes from College, but wisdom comes from God. :o)
I am from South Africa, and nope I have not attended any Christian College. All my studies have been with bible in hand and the use of the internet and the Holy Spirit. South Africa is a haven of Dutch Reformed Churches(Calvinistic churches) and Word of Faith churches and then every strange doctrine in between. I live in the very northern part of South Africa and I have done my rounds and found nothing so far. I am however fellowshipping with 2 other people. Because of my illness, I am not allowed to drive, so it kind of leaves stranded in getting around. So I do what I can when I can.
I spend hours and hours reading and studying and praying and asking Jesus for guidance. Before I come online I pray and I ask Jesus to please guide my every thought and word on what to say to people. Sometimes I make mistakes, and I’ve notices it’s when I’ve become sidetracked and not focused.
I am happy you have two others to fellowship with. I believe and I do not mean this to sound arrogant, so if I do please forgive me. I believe that when a Christian lives with permanent disabilities it will make us either bitter or better. If we choose to become better then the Lord will surely use us. If we choose to be bitter then we are just plain bitter. Disabled people have no more of the Lord than anyone else in His family. But sometimes He has more of us but that comes with a price. Immature Christian compare themselves to other Christians. Oh I wish I had the faith of so-in-so. Or I wish I could do this like her. But would they be willing to “pay the price?”
I’m sure you would love to be healed just as I would. But do I believe I am going to be healed in this life? No. Is that a lack of faith on my part? No way! My God is a God of miracles. We love a very big God! But back in the 70’s I prayed and said, Lord if you wish to heal me then go ahead. But if you can get more Honor & Glory from my broken body then so be it. I just ask for extra grace. He has never failed me yet.
I am no “Super Christian.” I have fallen short of the Glory of God many times. I am so thankful He never said, “You must be perfect to live in heaven.” Praise God I was not born un the Law of Moses. I would never have made it to my present age of 58.
Your comment of, “So I do what I can when I can.” Here is a wonderful verse about that very thing:Mark 14:6 And Jesus said, Let her alone; why trouble ye her? she hath wrought a good work on me.
Mark 14:7 For ye have the poor with you always, and whensoever ye will ye may do them good: but me ye have not always.
Mark 14:8 She hath done what she could: she is come aforehand to anoint my body to the burying.
That is all the Lord requires of His kids. “She hath done what she could.” I just love that. He sure made the men shut up with that comment! :o)
I pray God will continue blessing you with wisdom and knowledge. One day in Glory we will have to do lunch at the “Crystal River Café” in heaven. :o)
Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:
http://ivarfjeld.com/
I discovered the above web site just about an hour ago. The man does a good job of exposing the Vatican and the RCC.
Another good info site is http://www.wnd.com it is World Net Daily [Edited: This is not a good website: They are pro-NAR and promote false teaching]
Deborah, I pray you are feeling good today. We take each day as it comes and live for Jesus in each day.
Redeemed you are correct. The Holy Spirit is the most sensitive part of the Trinity and can easily be grieved. There is a man here in the USA that has a web site and he invites people to blaspheme the Holy Spirit. I have never gone to his web site, I just read about it. This young man has no clue as to what he has done. By this blasphemy he has doomed and damned himself to hell for all eternity as do the others that participate on his web site. I love the Holy Spirit. I love Him because He convicts my heart when I have sinned. He comforts me when I need it most, which is just about every day.
Matthew 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
Redeemed wrote:
I meant to add this verse to the above post concerning the Holy Spirit.
Matthew 12:32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
Sharon
The first one promotes The Harbinger and that is as far as I got – That Harbinger is false. Kahn is one of their contributors as well as Chuck Baldwin, a political junkie. Not a safe place. I was less than impressed with the 2nd link. A bunch of KJV ONLISM mishmash. I honestly would not frequent it.
I have my places where I get good solid biblical teaching, I don’t need websites like these, but thank you very much for showing them to me 🙂
Sharon
>> I believe that when a Christian lives with permanent disabilities it will make us either bitter or better. If we choose to become better then the Lord will surely use us. If we choose to be bitter then we are just plain bitter. If we choose to become better then the Lord will surely use us. If we choose to be bitter then we are just plain bitter.
Ah but you see if you have the Holy Spirit abiding in you you should not be bitter about your disability. It’s not about what you choose, it’s about what the Holy Spirit inside you
reflects out of you; and one of those things is not bitterness. Yes you can be sad sometimes about your disability because it’s debilitating and you can even get depressed (I suffer with the most excruciating headaches day in and day out and the pain just depresses me – this is a normal emotion for any person that is suffering from ongoing pain. But bitterness is something different. I’ve never once asked God why this has happened to me, I just accept it and I pray that He heals me or uses me and my disability. It appears the latter is what He is doing 🙂 And I am grateful for that. I do not complain. Yes I ask him to take the pain away sometimes because sometimes it’s so bad that I am down and out for days on end and I cry. But bitterness or anything negative like that has never crossed my mind. I look to Jesus Christ each day to help get me through the day, and He does.
Both sites do have meat. I have been guilty sometimes of throwing out said meat with the bones when exposing something I personally believe is wrong. The first sight and it’s Harbinger stuff is one of the things I do not agree with. But there are many other things they have that are “Right on the Money.” The second site is a KJV only site. But he exposes many different false teachings. In his quest to “endure hardness as a good soldier of Christ he seems to be a bit too hard on some things. (2Timothy 2:3 Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ.) I too have been too “rigid” in my beliefs.” (I’m sure that surprises you :o)) I suppose all of us who love the Word of God, and study it on a regular basis love to believe that we are 100% right on every thing. For me if I get that way then I am no longer “teachable.”
3John 1:2 Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.
Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:
Like you, I have not questioned God “why” about the disabilities I was born with. I just simply say, it is life here below on a sin-curse Earth. I freely admit that there have been others things I asked God the big “WHY.” Does He give me the answer, no. He just says, “trust me” and that I do. I believe our God is big enough that He can handle those times when in our weakness, our humanness (is that a word)that we ask Him the “WHY.”
You and I have a few things in common. I used to have simply horrible Migraine Headaches. But when the pharmaceutical companies came out with excellent medications for them I went from 3 a week to may 1 in 3 months and even that was not as bad as before.
I have seen Christians (I did not doubt them when they sais they were saved) that have been bitter. It is not a pretty sight. When a Christian is confronted with a personal problem or even a tragedy in their life I still believe they can choose to either be bitter or better. I believe it because I believe in the NON-CALVINIST Free Will. If a Christian chooses to be bitter it is then they offend the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit living in us has not pushed us into perfection… …not yet, not here.
Like you, I am not bitter. I live my life one day at a time.
3John1:2 Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.
Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:
Sharon
>> I have been guilty sometimes of throwing out said meat with the bones when exposing something I personally believe is wrong.
The thing is that this website is all exposing false teaching and staying on the narrow path. It’s my duty to warn people that things are problematic, not keep silent. So if a website SEEMS ok, but is actually not, then I will say something.
For instance the http://ivarfjeld.com/ – great website on exposing the RCC but I picked up that he is anti pretrib – for anyone that is struggling spiritually a website like this will throw them off track and possibly lead them to another path.
So I will throw the baby out with the bathwater on this website. Only those who are really spiritually sound will go to websites like the this and come out of them as sane as they entered.
Sharon
>> If a Christian chooses to be bitter it is then they offend the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit living in us has not pushed us into perfection… …not yet, not here.
Well said.
Regarding the headaches; I wish they were migraines, then I would have something to take, but they are not migraines, it’s due to the Epilepsy, and the brain is so complicated and, and, and, and..
I know Chuck Baldwin. He and my “ex” started out at the same Bible College in Pontiac, Michigan USA in 1972; but in Chuck’s 2nd year he left and went to Liberty University in Lynchburg, Virginia USA. Yes he is off the deep end at times politically. But he is a good man, a good soldier of Christ. I really know his mother-in-law much better as we were very good friends. I remember when Chucks wife Sarah was just a baby and I helped care for her in the church nursery. That was in about 1973 or 74. Whew….I’m getting old! :o)
Chuck pastored Crossroads Baptist Church in Pensacola, Florida USA for some where around 33 years. He was recognized by President Reagan for starting and having one of the fastest growing churches in the USA during the 80’s.
Then he and his whole family some 25 or so of them moved about 3 years ago to Kalispell, Montana, USA and started Liberty Fellowship Church.
I won’t recommend any more sites Deborah. I have to keep reminding myself that this site is not a sight in the United States of America. There are some people here on this site that I have no clue who they are and I surely do not understand the political climate in South Africa.
3John 1:2 Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.
Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote: