Biblical Holy Spirit vs. Unholy Spirit of Fire
Holy Spirit vs. Filthy Spirit of Fire, the calling down of Fire from heaven over a congregation, or praying Fire over someone is the norm in the church today. It has come to resemble the early heretic Gnostic churches. Religious ecstasy (or Kundalini) was to be found in the mystery religions of the first century A.D. Back when the Corinth church seemed to be a hub of pagan Gnostic knowledge and ran rampant in unscriptural and immoral practices; the Greek mystery religions had prophets who babbled in unknown tongues which were caused by a Kundalini awakening.
Below is a table explaining the differences between The Biblical Holy Spirit compared to The Kundalini unholy spirit that masquerades as the Biblical Holy Spirit. This table is exhaustive and contains everything you need to know:
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Who is the Holy Spirit? |
Who is the Kundalini unholy spirit? |
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How do we receive the Holy Spirit |
How do we get this unholy spirit? |
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** Through the false ‘Baptism of the unholy Spirit’.** The calling down of Fire (Serpent Fire).
** Being filled with the Unholy Ghost by Fire.
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Are there any happenings that go with the filling of the Holy Spirit? |
Are there any feelings or happenings that go with this filling of the unholy spirit? |
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What does ‘Walking in the Spirit’ mean?. What does being “Filled by the Holy Spirit’ mean? |
What happens when we have opened our Third Eye? (6th Chakra) |
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Evidence or Signs: |
False Signs and Wonders: |
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This Kundalini spirit is found in all religions across the world just under different names:
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False ‘unholy spirit fire‘ in action masquerading as Holy Spirit:
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Montanism
Montanism was an early Gnostic so called Christian movement of the late 2nd century, later referred to by the name of its founder, Montanus, but originally known by its adherents as the New Prophecy (or ‘The Phyrgian Heresy’) . The heretical movement spread rapidly to other regions in the Roman Empire at a time before Christianity was generally tolerated or legal. It persisted in some isolated places into the 6th century.
It was a prophetic movement that called for a reliance on the spontaneity of the Holy Spirit and spoke extra biblical revelation. Parallels have been made between Montanism and modern day movements such as the charismatic movement, and the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR). [1]
As the name “New Prophecy” implied, Montanism was a movement focused around prophecy, specifically those of the movement’s founders which were believed to contain the Holy Spirit’s revelation for the present age.[2] New Prophecy departed from Church tradition as described by Eusebius of Caesarea [3]: “And he [Montanus] became beside himself, and being suddenly in a sort of frenzy and ecstasy, he raved, and began to babble and utter strange things, prophesying in a manner contrary to the constant custom of the Church handed down by tradition from the beginning.”[4]
The Montanist prophets did not speak as messengers of God but were described as possessed by God while being unable to resist. Montanists believed that the new prophecies superseded and fulfilled the doctrines proclaimed by the Apostles.[5] Thus, they were seen as false prophets because they acted irrationally and were not in control of their senses.[6]
The Roman Catholic unholy spirit of FIRE
The church has gone so far with this unholy fire that it has literally ENGULFED the entire church. You need to be permanently on FIRE for God according to the powers that be (TBN (Trinity Broadcasting Network), God TV, Rodney Howard-Browne, Kenneth Copeland, Angus Buchan, Rick Joyner, Ray McCauley, Cindy Jacobs, Deon Hockey, Kim Clement, Marc Bredenkamp, Leon du Preez, Harold Weitsz, et al.) as they spell out their incantation and throw FIRE, FIRE, and more FIRE in the congregations direction. Those in the congregation who have experienced this religious ecstasy want more, and those who have not experienced it, want to experience it because they believe this is the Holy Spirit as work.
The ‘Heart of God is now on FIRE‘ and everyone is pushed in this direction by the church to get to know ‘God’s heart‘. What they don’t tell you is that this ‘Heart of God’ is the Roman Catholic Sacred Heart of Jesus, and it is also the Immaculate Heart of Mary.
The church as it currently stands is being shoved towards pagan ROME at a rapid speed. But in order for Pentecostals and Charismatics to accept Roman Catholicism they would first have to accept the ‘spirit‘ by which it operates. Rome’s EVANGELIZATION of non-Catholics started decades ago, and their hard labour has paid off. Just as the ancient Egyptians viewed Kundalini as being ‘Ra‘ who is symbolized as the sun because the sun is the source of kundalini energy. So does the Roman Catholic Church who, worships the Sun god Mithra (incarnation of Ra).
Let’s have a look and see that the bible says about “fire called down from heaven” in the New Testament.
Revelation 13:13 “he [antichrist] doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,”
G4442 πῦρ pur (pïr’) n.
fire.
{literally or figuratively}
This fire is spiritual and literal. In the last days, the antichrist, the false Church, and it’s followers call down spiritual FIRE from heaven onto earth – this fire is satanic, it’s captures your soul with fake love and false manifestations that capture your mind. The antichrist will also bring down real fire from heaven in the sight of me to deceive them.
Was fire ever called down from heaven when Jesus walked the earth? Nope, how do we know? Well let’s go to God’s Word…look at this:
During Jesus’ earthly ministry, the disciples James and John wanted to call down fire from heaven in judgment of a Samaritan village that did not welcome the Lord Jesus Christ. What did Jesus Christ say to his disciples?
Luke 9:55- “But He turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.“
As we can clearly see from the bible, this spirit is from Satan, and is NOT the Holy Spirit. Jesus had not come “to condemn the world, but to save the world” (John 3:17)
This ‘fire that is called down from heaven’ is from Satan, another spirit, an unholy spirit – that condemns you.
[Edited 5 Oct 2018: I’ve added this to explain the above in more detail because of this comment: 2018/10/05 at 3:17 pm:
Please note I am not saying that God did not ever use fire to destroy wickedness.
In the verses Luke 9:54-56 Jesus rebukes his disciples for trying to call down fire from heaven, why? Jesus would never rebuke Elijah for what he did in calling down fire to destroy wickedness, if He did He would be rebuking the Father Himself as God rained fire and brimstone down on Sodom and Gomorrah and surrounding towns. One needs to compare OT to NT. Different dispensations.
What do the words “You know not what manner of spirit you are of.” mean? James and John in all their faithful zeal to Jesus Christ thought they were doing a good thing by wanting to destroy the wicked town that rejected Jesus by doing as Elijah did when he called down fire under OT Law. However the Apostles in training as I call them (Peter, James, John) had just recently seen Moses and Elias speaking with Jesus on the Mount of Transfiguration. So James and John, thinking they could copy Elijah, where wrong in their thinking, and were in fact sinning when they wanted to call down fire, because they did not understand and they were under grace and Jesus didn’t operate like that. That is why Jesus rebuked them.
Anyone who wants to call down fire (be it physical fire or spiritual fire to destroy the soul) in this age of grace has a spirit of vengeance and it’s not from God.
This fire is a counterfeit. It’s a fire that leads to the UNITY of all religions, the joining of Protestant and Catholic, a co-reformation – into the false Christian church we have today. ]
2018: Year of the Holy Ghost and Fire by Kenneth Copeland
Please read the full comment where I give a transcript from Kenneth Copeland on what ‘burning the chaff’ means in his dictionary.
Charles Spurgeon
And if you think calling down fire is limited to only Charismatics? Think again. The so called ‘Prince of Preachers’ of Calvinism, Charles Spurgeon himself called down demonic Kunalini fire.
Holy Fire / Divine Fire / Heart of Flame
Holy Fire
Charles Spurgeon: “The church needs fire to quicken her ministers, to give zeal and energy to all her members. Having this fire, she burns her way to success! The world meets her with the fire of firewood, but she confronts the world with the fire of kindling spirits, and of souls aglow with the love of Jesus Christ. She trusts not to the wit, and eloquence, and wisdom of her preachers, but to the divine fire which clothes them with energy! She knows that men are irresistible when they are filled with hallowed enthusiasm sent from God. She trusts therefore in this, and her cry is, “Come, Holy Fire, abide upon our pastors and teachers! Rest upon every one of us!” —The Superlative Excellence of the Holy Spirit #574 https://www.spurgeongems.org/vols10-12/chs574.pdf
Divine Fire
Charles Spurgeon: “Brothers, I beseech you keep to the old gospel, and let your souls be filled with it, and then may you be set on fire with it! When the wick is saturated, let the flame be applied. Fire from Heaven is still the necessity of the age. They call it “go”, and there is nothing which goes like it; for when fire once starts upon a vast prairie or forest, all that is dry and withered must disappear before its terrible advance. May God Himself, who is a consuming fire, ever burn in you as in the bush at Horeb! All other things being equal, that man will do most who has most of the Divine fire.” — How to Meet the Evils of the Age Chapter 4 https://archive.spurgeon.org/misc/aarm04.php
Occult teaching on Holy fire and Divine fire
Theosophy: “In a certain sense, the task before the disciple is the evocation of the “divine fire“, Kundalini, and the infusion of the principle of Will in him by that divine fire; the golden light mingling with the red flame, to produce the colour of the mystic rose. The fiery aspiration of the disciple evokes the higher celestial fire, and the two blend in one, the holy fire which shall thereafter illumine and enkindle that disciple’s heart and life and every act.” –— The Theosophical Quarterly Volumes 17-18 1919 edited by Clement Acton Griscom pg. 226, https://books.google.com/books?id=g3g1AQAAMAAJ
Heart of Flame (see Roman Catholic Heart of Fire above)
Spurgeon: “But we bless God that there are not so many of that sort, now, and we pray that the race may become quite extinct—and that every pulpit may be filled with a man who has a tongue of fire and a heart of flame and who shuns not to declare the whole counsel of God, neither seeking the smiles of men nor dreading their frowns!” — The Dumb Singing #2625 http://www.spurgeongems.org/vols43-45/chs2625.pdf
Occult teaching on Heart of Flame
Universal Brotherhood (Theosophical teachings):”Then One spoke – He of the mighty arm – He of the eye of power. And He inquired (speaking calm and low, and looking round on all the gathered throng) who would willing go into the world of flesh – to waken all the souls that now could hear, and teach to them the meaning high, sublime, of life; show them the Movement – flowing onward like a river vast, with but one source and end; teach them how to enter on that tide, and moving with Love – and for this Fire Divine in thee thou hast been called ‘The Heart of Flame.” — UNIVERSAL BROTHERHOOD, Volume 15, nos. 7-12, pg. 439-440 https://www.scribd.com/document/37146710/Universal-Brotherhood-v15-n7-12
Salvation or Deliverance
If you need salvation and or deliverance from this false unholy spirit or any other demonic spirit, please read this article: Seeking Salvation or Deliverance.
Here is an excellent article that explains the history, characteristics and fruit of the Vatican Second Council New Evangelization initiative: The New Evangelical – Evil fit for a New Dark Age. See this article on the Roman Catholic goddess Mary (incarnation of Isis, etc) : Mary Queen of Heaven – Whore of Babylon
A collage of images taken from the internet showing an explosion of demonic FIRE. Everything now involves this unholy FIRE; from books, music, banners, posters, tattoos, t-shirts and background pictures for your pc.
Notes:
[1] Robeck, Cecil M., Jr. (2010). “Montanism and Present Day ‘Prophets'”. Pneuma: the Journal of the Society for Pentecostal Studies 32: 413.
[2] Tabbernee, Prophets and Gravestones, p. 68.
[3] Tabbernee, Prophets and Gravestones, pp. 12, 37.
[4] Eusebius of Caesarea, Ecclesiastical History Book 5. Chapter 16. paragraph 7.
[5] a b c Chapman, John (1911). “Montanists”. The Catholic Encyclopedia. 10. Robert Appleton Company. Retrieved 27 June 2011.
[6] Epiphanius, Against Heresies, 48.3-4.
Dear Luciano
I am so happy to inform you there is no such thing as an unforbivable sin. https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2017/04/21/unforgivable-sin/ Besides, just the fact that you “fear” you have committed an unforgivable sin shows that you fear God and you are GRIEVING (i.e, you are actually worried you are sinning – if you didn’t grieve I would be worried, it means there is no conviction of the Holy Spirit in your life.) However it is clear the Holy Spirit is working in your life, He is speaking to you. He was actually speaking to you from the start, God draws all people (John 6:44) it’s you who has to listen to Him.
We know this spirit of FIRE is not the Holy Spirit because as per the bible, the WORD OF GOD tells you how the Holy Spirit behaves; you feel like a normal person, not some person with vibrations and supernatural powers, that can call down invisible fire over people. Satan gives you ‘God like power’ to do all sorts of miracles (that are fake and satanic), what does God give you? Supernatural power THROUGH HIM to overcome Satan in your life and steer clear from false teaching – false teaching is what DESTROYS your soul Luciano – follow the wrong doctrine and you are headed for trouble, and you open all sorts of doors to Satan to enter your life – how does he destroy you? He captures your mind with all sorts of manmade (Satanic) philosophies. (Colossians 2:8), start to sin and you open a door to Satan in your life, repent to Jesus Christ when you sin (because of the conviction of the Holy Spirit) and start to live a Holy Spirit filled life.
Do you want to act like a normal Christian and know you are born again because YOU grieve that you are a sinner? (the narrow path) or do you want to be ‘like God?’ with power? The WIDE road that leads to DESTRUCTION. This ‘love’ you feel is not Christian love, it’s a Satanic love for Satan and his ways.
All your answers are in the Bible Luciano, in God’s Word. None of God’s knowledge is to be found in ‘secret’ or passed on through transference by a spirit…
The problem is there is a false Christ with a false church where the fake Holy Spirit is ‘fire’. How do you tell which from which? Again… you read and study the bible.
Look at this verse…
Revelation 13:13 “he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,”
This fire is spiritual and literal. In the last days, the false Christ, the false Church, and it’s followers call down spiritual FIRE from heaven onto earth – this fire is satanic, it’s captures you’re soul with FAKE LOVE. The antichrist will also bring down real fire from heaven in the sight of me to deceive them.
Was fire ever called down from heaven when Jesus walked the earth? Nope, how do we know? Well let’s go to God’s Word…look at this.
During Jesus’ earthly ministry, the disciples James and John wanted to call down fire from heaven in judgment of a Samaritan village that did not welcome the Lord Jesus Christ. Jesus, however “turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.” Jesus had not come “to condemn the world, but to save the world” (John 3:17)
As you can see this ‘fire that is called down from heaven’ is from Satan, another spirit, an unholy spirit – that condemns you.
Get yourself a KJV bible and I recommend you start with the following websites and let the WORD OF GOD give you understanding, as the Holy Spirit guides you and comforts you and tells you which way to go – the right way… into what GENUINE CHRISTIANITY is all about.
https://www.thebereancall.org/
http://www.letusreason.org/
our website for more in-depth articles on scripture and the way the world is headed, into a one world religion, the false fire of the unholy spirit, contemplative teaching, etc.
Please stay away from https://www.gotquestions.org/and https://carm.org/- they are Calvinists (this is a cult, like Seven Day Adventists, etc.)
Please stay away from Christian books and pretty much all so called Christian authors and their novels, and these so called Christian movies and magazines – they are not genuinely Christian, it’s the Eucharist Christ from the Roman Catholic church you are listening too. When you see they speak about ‘Fire’, have a picture of fire, ‘healing services’, speaking in tongues etc, put on your running shoes and make a b-line in the opposite direction. You have a lot to learn dear Luciano, but don’t worry, the Holy Spirit will quicken you – “Quicken” means “to give life and to preserve life” and “to be made alive”.
Romans 8:11 ” if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.”
• The Holy Spirit is the one who gives life (quickens) – John 6:63 and 2 Peter 3:18.
• The Word of God is the Instrument the Holy Spirit uses to accomplish this work – Romans 4:17 and Romans 8:11
I recommend you start finding out what was Jesus’ earthly ministry really about. Why did He heal people, what did He actually mean when He said that we would do greater things than Him, etc, etc, etc. Why did they speak in tongues in the bible, but not today. https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/07/18/speaking-in-tongues/
There is a very simple biblical reason for the Truth 🙂 And it does not involve any supernatural manifestations.
Does God heal? Of course He does. People are genuinely healed all the time through personal prayer to Jesus Christ – no middle ‘faith healer’ needed. Does God deliver people from demons, of course yes, you are testimony to this!
Amen! :nod:
Email from: Luciano
Sent: Wednesday, 17 January 2018 10:08 PM
To: Discerning the World
I’m just so confused …. how could god let me be deceive … I was at the edge of suicide and I called out to him and he answered … why would god let anything else answer I don’t get it ! And let me fooled like that … what about my nephew who loves Jesus and god used him to get to me . The timing of everything was so perfect it could only be god . Why would god let me be deceived !!!!
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DTW reply:
Dear Luciano
You said “… what about my nephew who loves Jesus and god used him to get to me”
How do you know it was God who used him and not the false Christ who used him to get to you? You don’t know do you. And the reason you don’t know is because….
You haven’t studied the bible. Have you actually read the bible yourself my dear? Or are you letting others read it for you and interpret it for you? A pastor picking verses out the bible and fabricating a story around a verse that sounds so ‘gospel’ is not the gospel, it’s fabricated stories.
You said “how could god let me be deceive”
Jesus Christ clearly says: Matthew 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
God has been warning you, it’s you who was not listening to Him. This is why mankind has a choice, the choices we make all our lives depend on our love for God. It’s YOUR choice Luciano, you were deceived because you did not read the Word of God that tells you what the real Truth is and you followed after false teachers, preaching another Jesus and another Gospel. They use verses from the Bible to make up a whole other doctrine that is in opposition to Jesus Christ and His Word – and then they call it Christianity.
2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
We are in the very last of the last days, we are currently in the great ‘falling away’ where millions upon millions of Christians are being caught up in the false Roman catholic church and are following the false Christ (antichrist) and are being deceived because…why?
2 Timothy 4:3 the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
Itchy ears means they love the false teaching that is being preached to them…they are not interested in the actual gospel truth, they prefer the nonsense their pastor is vomiting out his mouth.
You are to blame Luciano, not God. God has in fact being speaking to you ALL THE TIME, trying to tell you through His Holy Spirit that what you are doing is wrong, but you got into this false doctrine very quickly. And quite deeply.
But take note, you started to worry that this feeling you were having was not from God, and what did you do? You started to listen to God’s Holy Spirit speaking to you, and you searched for the Truth on the internet and God directed you to our website. You finally listened to God and you repented, you asked Him to remove this evil spirit from you, and HE DID! And then you prayed to receive the real Jesus Christ and you were genuinely born again Jesus Christ loves you so much. If He didn’t love you, He would not bother to warn you through the Holy Spirit, but He has been with you the whole time.
You said “why would god let anything else answer I don’t get it”
Simple, when you ask God for something that is unbiblical, Satan answers you, not God. God will warn you that what you are asking for is not right, but you continue to ask Him for unbiblical things and go to an unbiblical church, and listen to an unbiblical pastor and do what they say because you want what is sinful, not what God says and commands in His Word. He will not go against His Word and give you what you want just because you ask for it. If it’s against his commandments, you will not get it. But someone else is more than willing to give you want you want, and Satan is right there…waiting…
James 4:2-4
2 You lust, and have not: you kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: you fight and war, yet you have not, because you ask not.
3 You ask, and receive not, because you ask amiss, that you may consume it on your lusts.
4 You adulterers and adulteresses, know you not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.
The world church system, this false Christianity and it’s FALSE TEACHNG is the enemy of God.
Think about this. You have an earthly father, he tries his best to warn you about the dangers that are out there in life, but when you hit your teenage years for example, you stop listening to him, and you insist on going your own way. You father tries his best to keep you safe, but you have other plans, you rebel, and you land up in trouble. You end up in jail for drinking and driving. Who do you phone to bail you out? Your father… He immediately come to your aid and they get you out of jail by paying your bail money. Do you say to you father; “Thank you dad for saving me from my stupid decisions”, or do you say to your father, “Why didn’t you stop me from being deceived, why didn’t you stop me from drinking and driving?”. No, you THANK HIM for coming to your aid, the moment you called out to him, he rescued you out of jail. Problem is, you sinned, and sin has consequences and you might still have to go to court and face a judge. So all is not quite over yet. But your father will be there by you side all the way looking after you, as you go through the processes of the court case. Now…
God is our Father. He tells us through His Word (the Bible) what he expects from us, just as your parental father told you how you should behave. But just as you didn’t listen to your father’s instructions, you didn’t listen to or even read God’s Word. You decided you wanted to party, drink and get drunk. God’s Word says, you are to stay sober at all times because wine is a deceiver. Proverbs 20:1 Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.
You then get in your car and drive home, you are committing a criminal offence, you are sinning. Your father is not with you when you got in the car with your friends and started the car to drive while under the influence of alcohol. You were on your own when you went to the false church, followed a false doctrine and ended up with a demonic spirit attached to you. But then you realised you were in trouble because you landed up in jail, who did you call? Your father. So, when you realised there was something wrong with what was happening to you, vibrations etc, who did you call? You called on God, the REAL God, the God who sent His only begotten son Jesus Christ to save you and everyone who calls on His name. And He immediately came to your aid and removed the demon from you. Hallelujah!!!
But now, you still have to deal with the consequences of your sin, sin always has consequences. You now have to go to court for your drinking and driving, the Judge tells you that you have to “get yourself in order, and make sure you are not deceived into drinking again”. Now you are having to deal with the aftermath of what has happened to you, you are very vulnerable and God is telling you right now that you have to get your life on track and steer clear of false doctrine and follow Him and listen to Him and Him only.
Have you learnt your lesson?
You are very confused at the moment, I understand that, you are having to come to terms with what has happened to you. You were conned by a false Christian system, and the feelings you are experiencing is the same as if you were conned by a real conman who stole money from you – you feel violated.
You are a baby Christian. You know very little of what the bible says…you are drinking milk, and have yet to start eating solid meat – you are struggling to discern good from evil – this is why you landed up in the position you were in.
Hebrews 5:13 every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
But you are now to start reading the bible my dear, please, and you need to start to grow up in the knowledge of the truth, that you are able to discern good from evil.
Hebrews 5:14 But strong meat belongs to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
Now I am going to tell you something very important. This happened to you for a reason. You are not the only person on the earth to go through what you went through. I too landed up in this false church system, and I was slain in the spirit and felt this false unholy spirit come over me with such beautiful warmth – I passed out and fell backwards, and I lay on the floor and started to laugh from my stomach upwards…oh it was such a nice feeling. As I left the church, this ‘unholy spirit’ seemed to stay behind inside the church. I thought, ‘what’s the point of being saved and the Holy Spirit doesn’t come with you?” I prayed, “Lord Jesus, what is going on? Why did I feel so warm and now I feel so cold.” His reply to me through a gentle whisper from the Holy Spirit was “This is not the Holy Spirit, this is not genuine Christianity”. I could have easily have ignored what God said to me, His warning to me. And I could have gone back the next night seeking this false unholy spirit again to get that feeling, that experience, but what did I do. I LISTENED TO GOD. I didn’t go back, I felt I needed to go investigate on the internet what had happened to me, and that’s when I was directed to some of those websites I gave you, and I learnt the truth very very quickly – as the Holy Spirit guided me. Once again, I could have dismissed it and thought, “nah, I want that feeling, that experience again, I want more, more, more”. But I refused, I wanted to know the TRUTH. Sometimes we have to experience things before we are truly saved in order to learn, to be taught a lesson by God, why? SO WE CAN WARN OTHERS. There are so few genuine Christians out there…fighting the good fight of contending for the faith, as millions of people are caught up in this false church.
Be of good cheer Luciano, God has saved you as you finally listened to Him warning you. Now pick yourself up, and start to learn the GOSPEL THAT JESUS CHRIST TAUGHT. Make the right decision. God is not going to force you to follow Him. He wants people who really love Him – hence OBEY HIM, not people who chop and change and believe every false teaching that comes their way.
Ephesians 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
Love
Deborah
You didn’t quote Mark 16:17-18 under the section about “are there any signs that accompany believing and the Holy Spirit.” You deny the words of the Messiah, whether it’s on purpose or by accident, it’s misleading because Jesus clearly said what the effects and symptoms could be.
Hi Nick, have you ever tried to take up serpents yet?
Not to mention a cup of liquid Ivy… :shocked:
Dear Nick
It’s clear you believe you are a ‘believer’. Have you thought of putting your faith into action and follow Tom’s and Robbie’s comments? And no, you are not allowed to milk the venom out of the snake or to pull the snakes teeth out. 😀
The verse you stated:
Mark 16:17-18 17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; 18They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
Firstly you said: “Jesus clearly said what the effects and symptoms could be.”
Wrong, the verse says “these signs shall follow them that believe”
You said “effects and symptoms”
Signs vs “effects and symptoms” What are you speaking about? Christianity or a disease? lol
Secondly, who was Jesus Christ taking too? Well, lets have a look at the whole passage and see…
Mark 16:11-20 11 And they, when they had heard that he was alive, and had been seen of her, believed not.12 After that he appeared in another form to two of them, as they walked, and went into the country.13 And they went and told it to the residue: neither believed they them.14 Afterward he appeared to the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.15 And he said to them, Go you into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.16 He that believes and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believes not shall be damned.17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.19 So then after the Lord had spoken to them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.
Ah, don’t you just love it when you find the answer to scripture in scripture :thumbsup: “And they went forth”. Who are they? The Apostles 2 + 11 + later the Apostle Paul who Jesus spoke to all of them personally.. “The Lord working with them“…”with signs following“…“them” and them alone. :clap:
Well said! Should we ask Nick whether he is a NAR apostle?
Email from: Luciano
Sent: Thursday, 18 January 2018 6:41 PM
To: Discerning the World
Subject: Re: You will be ok…pick yourself up.
Ok I want to learn . Where should I start reading
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Note from DTW: Praise the Lord Jesus Christ!
Hey my name is shenise i have a husbands thats kundalini was opened 2 years ago but he is not following what they want from i dont know how it was opened but i believe a near death experience ly question is at night i czn feel his body twerking and his eyes are very evil i believe in Jesus i love ly husband very much but i wanted to kblw is there help for people like hil pleasd
Dear Shenise
What church do you and your husband go to? Can you provide a website link?
What beliefs does your husband believe in?
What beliefs do you believe in?
You said “but he is not following what they want” who is ‘they’?
Salvation is a gift to everyone including your husband… the question is does he want to repent and be saved?
Like Jonathan said earlier, a believer who is filled with the Holy Spirit speaks in unknown tongue(s). Read 1 Corinthians 14:2. For one who speaks in an unknown tongue does not speak to people but to God; for no one understands him or catches his meaning,but byu the Spirit he speaks mysteries(secret truths, hidden things). (Amplified Bible)…
Dear Matti Tanner
Like the BIBLE SAID a whole lot earlier than Jonathan. Tongues has CEASED. Read 1 Corinthians 13:8 “Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.”
If you read the verses before and after your verse you quoted it’s interesting to note that the Apostle Paul says if you speak in tongues you are basically selfish and unloving as you edify yourself only, that is why it’s better to preach, teach (prophecy) in your own language so that the church can be edified instead which shows how much you LOVE the body of Christ. That is another reason why tongues ceased; the gift of tongues was needed for the Apostles to go out and preach the gospel to other to gather the church together, once the church was established, tongues ceased and the gift of preaching and teaching prevailed.
1Cor 14:1-5 (KJV)
1 Follow after charity [LOVE], and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy. 2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries. 3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort. 4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church. 5 I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
1 Corinthians 12:10 (KJV “To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:”
You have no idea what you are saying, the bible says you need an interpreter; this is to make sure you are not blaspheming God. You speak in gobeledygook and selfishly edify yourself thinking you are speaking in a heavenly language that only God can understand. This is why people seek to speak in tongues, because they see their so called Christian brother/sister speaking this and they get jealous and they want to as well…and so go after the gift/power of speaking in tongues which the bible says has CEASED. That is why 1) You are making up your so called heavenly language 2) You are speaking by a demon.
Totally agree.
The tongue spoken of in 1 Corinthians 14:2 is not an unknown language in the sense of it being an unearthly or supernatural one. It simply means that some church members had the ability to speak in different languages. In today’s setup it would mean, for instance, that some could speak in German, Chinese, French, Afrikaans, English etc. However, none of these languages could have had any edifying qualities whilst all the other church members couldn’t understand any of them. It could only edify someone who visited their church and could speak one of these languages. Whereas today we have to learn foreign languages in school or university or any other educational means to speak in those languages, the Holy Spirit gave them the ability to speak in other known languages. Therefore, and because God wants all to be saved, the Holy Spirit would use a person who had the gift of speaking in known languages to speak in the language of the visitor so that he or she may hear the gospel and be saved. That’s all.
By the way those who claim they speak in heavenly languages (plural) are heavily misled. Why? Because there is only one language in heaven, and I can prove it. Bear in mind that different languages are the result of a curse and not a blessing when God confused the nations with languages so that they could not understand one another and be dispersed throughout the entire world. In that way borders began to take shape, and for what purpose?
And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us: (Acts 17:26-27).
God had to set borders so that the nations may seek Him. Now you know why a border-less one world is such a demonic thing. It is the exact opposite to what God planned for sinful mankind.
[Deleted by DTW – your little tongues speaking demon is rather irritated I can see, that you come in here like a raging bull, red eyes, and insult us. Sorry, but I don’t care 1 iota of what you and your satanic demon has to say.]
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[Deleted by DTW – Please read the article on Gift of Speaking in Tongues, Prophecy and Healing]
Email from: Franklin
Sent: Sunday, 10 June 2018 01:13
Subject: Holy Spirit vs Hindu spirit
Just read your article and table comparing. Can’t say I’m exactly in
agreement though. I’m a 100% Bible believing Christian, but I think
God has hidden more than a few enigmas and riddles in His Word.
Otherwise there wouldn’t be so many orthodox denominations taking one
side or the other of a paradox, and failing to see both sides of the
coin, creating the scisms. That said, I’m wondering why the Fire of
God is so sweepingly spoken against, called unholy and even then
systematically derided, if He Himself is both called a Consuming Fire,
and the baptism of His Spirit said by John Baptist to be accompanied
by one of fire? are the baptism of the Holy Spirit and the baptism of
fire he said Jesus would give two separate baptisms, or one? I would
appreciate very much to know your thoughts on this, and by all means
feel free to think and pray before replying. I very much appreciate
your desire to sort things out and present your views to the masses,
and even more your willingness to answer my questions as an
individual.
Thankyou kindly,
Franklin
Dear Franklin
There are no “enigmas and riddles in His Word.” Enigmas and riddles belong to the occult / gnosticism.
Here are a few ways that the Holy Spirit “speaks” to us both for our good and God’s glory:
He reminds us about all that Jesus has taught that is in the Word of God
“But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit — the Father will send Him in My name — will teach you all things and remind you of everything I have told you” (John 14:26).
He is a personal witness to testify about Christ.
“When the Counselor comes, the One I will send to you from the Father — the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father — He will testify about Me” (John 15:26).
He convicts us of sin.
“When He comes, He will convict the world about sin, righteousness, and judgment” (John 16:8).
He guides us to truth.
“When the Spirit of truth comes, He will guide you into all the truth. For He will not speak on His own, but He will speak whatever He hears. He will also declare to you what is to come” (John 16:13).
He brings glory to Jesus.
“He will glorify Me, because He will take from what is Mine and declare it to you” (John 16:14).
Amen! and Amen!
Thank you for your reply. However, you have not answered my questions. I appreciate the Scriptures, but here is one for you, Proverbs 1:6. To understand a proverb and an enigma, the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. If there were no puzzles in the Word, Jesus and the profits would not have spoken in parables. We all have our own chaff, and we need the baptism of God’s fire to burn it off so that our grain can be gathered in. I am not advocating one church or another, but only the Word of God. Which is true and everlasting regardless of the depth to which we may or may not understand it. Remember the warning of Jude, against those who speak evil of what they do not understand. Also remember the prophecy of Isaiah. That the breath of the Lord, His Spirit, blows on the grass and causes it to wither. So God’s Spirit may not only give life, but also take it away. Depending, I believe, on the extent to which we are willing and able to receive it.
That said, it would seem that those experiencing unpleasant Kundalini symptoms in Christian churches would be those either unable to receive that aspect and strength of God’s Spirit, or perhaps the symptoms are a result of the individuals’ own fleshly chaff burning away. If they can’t or won’t let it go, it is possible I believe for people to die in the process. Now I’m very curious. Have you heard reports ever of Kundalini causing physical death? It really wouldn’t surprise me, whether by a demonic anointing, a Heavenly one, or any admixture possible. And yes it is possible. See the feet of iron and clay. But God is in the business of purifying His people, even by fire as it is written in 1st Peter.
1:7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ.
4:12Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you.
Dear Franklin
You said “We all have our own chaff, and we need the baptism of God’s fire to burn it off so that our grain can be gathered in.”
I see, so the baptism of fire is for remission of sins? And after that, when you sin again…do you need to be baptised again in fire to burn off your chaff? Or is it like a permanent burning, you are permanently on ‘fire’ burning that sin (chaff) away? And the more you activate your Kundalini the stronger you become as you ignite that ‘divine spark’ that you were born with into glorious flame to purify you into a spotless little god…sorry I mean ‘Christian’?
Or do you like genuine Christians go to Jesus Christ Himself and just plainly ask for forgiveness of your sin and then change your ways?
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enigma
ɪˈnɪɡmə/Submit
noun
plural noun: enigmas
a person or thing that is mysterious or difficult to understand.
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Parables in the bibles are NOT mysterious, they are EASILY understood by those who have the Holy Spirit of God abiding in them, not the ‘holy spirit’ of Hinduism over them.
You said “I am not advocating one church or another, but only the Word of God.”
I noticed, that is why you are insinuating that all paths that have a ‘holy spirit’ lead to the same God.
You said “So God’s Spirit may not only give life, but also take it away. Depending, I believe, on the extent to which we are willing and able to receive it.” and
You said “That said, it would seem that those experiencing unpleasant Kundalini symptoms in Christian churches would be those either unable to receive that aspect and strength of God’s Spirit,” and
You said “Have you heard reports ever of Kundalini causing physical death? It really wouldn’t surprise me, whether by a demonic anointing, a Heavenly one, or any admixture possible”
You receive the Holy Spirit when you are truly born again, when you are not born again you will receive another spirit if you are willing to accept it and that will lead to SPIRITUAL DEATH.
The 2 verses you quoted:
1 Peter 1:7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ.
1 Peter 4:12 Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you.
This is NOT a reference to Kundalini/false holy spirit FIRE. The ‘fire’ G4451 πύρωσις purosis (pï ’-rō-sis) in these verses is figurative and refers to being tried in trials/tribulation a conflagration, calamity as a test – not some strange manifestation of demonic fire burning away your sin.
You either ask Jesus Christ Himself to forgive you of your sin and change your ways,
1 John 1:9 “If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.”
…or you believe this ‘unholy fire’ burns up your sin.
Stop taking the Word of God and twisting it to suit your own occult agenda.
Hi Deborah,
You said “I see, so the baptism of fire is for remission of sins?”
Among other things, but I’ll ask you straightly now, what do you
believe it is for, or did the Word misquote John Baptist that Jesus
would even baptize with fire at all, along with the Holy Spirit?
You said: ” And after that, when you sin again…do you need to be
baptised again in fire to burn off your chaff? Or is it like a
permanent burning, you are permanently on ‘fire’ burning that sin
(chaff) away?”
Word of God: “14The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?
15He that walketh righteously, and speaketh uprightly; he that despiseth the gain of oppressions, that shaketh his hands from holding of bribes, that stoppeth his ears from hearing of blood, and shutteth his eyes from seeing evil;
16He shall dwell on high: his place of defence shall be the munitions of rocks: bread shall be given him; his waters shall be sure.”
Isaiah 33
What do you make of that?
You said: “And the more you activate your Kundalini the stronger you become as
you ignite that ‘divine spark’ that you were born with into glorious
flame to purify you into a spotless little god…sorry I mean
‘Christian’?”
I hadn’t thought of it quite like that, but you do serve much as the early heresthatologists, preserving and elucidating persecuted doctrines of the Word. And He did say twice, “Ye are gods.”
You said: “Or do you like genuine Christians go to Jesus Christ Himself and just
plainly ask for forgiveness of your sin and then change your ways?”
I do go to God and ask for forgiveness, and He does convict and enable repentance at times, but He will also leave me bound at times too, for a higher purpose most likely, even as Paul begged for the thorn in his flesh to be removed, but God ascerted His grace was sufficient. Thorns burning are also mentioned in the word, again in Isaiah, and also in Psalms. And all of God’s Word is to the disciple.
You defined: “enigma
ɪˈnɪɡmə/Submit
noun
plural noun: enigmas
a person or thing that is mysterious or difficult to understand.”
So is God an Enigma, or is He Himself easily understood? Yes or no. One or the other.
What say you?
You said: “Parables in the bibles are NOT mysterious, they are EASILY understood
by those who have the Holy Spirit of God abiding in them, not the
‘holy spirit’ of Hinduism over them.”
If the Word of God is all out in the open to a believer, why should we ever listen to pastors or teachers, and even more than that, why in Isaiah 45:3 again did He say:
“And I will give thee the treasures of darkness, and hidden riches of secret places, that thou mayest know that I, the LORD, which call thee by thy name, am the God of Israel.”
I said “I am not advocating one church or another, but only the Word of God.”
You said: “I noticed, that is why you are insinuating that all paths that have a
‘holy spirit’ lead to the same God.”
There is only one God. There are many gods and many lords, but only one Lord God. The others are only His servants, and according to Psalm 119, all are His servants. Even His enemies are bound to serve Him, but only those who serve Him willingly and submit to Him in His Most High name Christ Jesus will live.
You said: “You receive the Holy Spirit when you are truly born again, when you
are not born again you will receive another spirit if you are willing
to accept it and that will lead to SPIRITUAL DEATH.”
Spiritual death is the default. Narrow is the way, and few are those who find it. Close to the majority of the world are Bible believing Christians, and I really don’t think that a near majority of the population would qualify as a few!!
2 verses I quoted:
1 Peter 1:7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious
than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be
found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus
Christ.
1 Peter 4:12 Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial
which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you.
You said: “This is NOT a reference to Kundalini/false holy spirit FIRE. The
‘fire’ G4451 πύρωσις purosis (pï ’-rō-sis) in these verses is
figurative and refers to being tried in trials/tribulation a
conflagration, calamity as a test – not some strange manifestation of
demonic fire burning away your sin.”
You’re right, it is not a reference to false fire. But you’re dead wrong to think it isn’t litteral. I know we shouldn’t usually pronounce judgements on one another as believers in God’s Word, but your calling the Fire of God figurative… Scoffer!!! You take incorruptible Word of God and make it empty by calling Him a mere figure of speech!!
Do you also think He was just allegorizing or pulling our leg about the Shelter and He is actually without feathers or wings? It’s this kind of scoffing that makes Christianity more acceptable to the unbelieving world, but it is a sincere disservice to the supernatural God of Miracles who bestowed His Word on us to call the supernal aspects of scripture mere poetry. True there is a wonderful poetic aspect, but scoffing at the litteral Truth doesn’t help anyone but Satan and the unbelieving world system to advance.
You said: “You either ask Jesus Christ Himself to forgive you of your sin and
change your ways,”
1 John 1:9 “If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive
us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.”
“…or you believe this ‘unholy fire’ burns up your sin.”
And why do you continue to deny that fire is the mechanism of His cleansing? I am not in support of receiving a church anointing that may be from demonic sources, but I do affirm that the Fire of God is His and He is at work using it to refine His people as silver is tried. To deny this is to deny the true Lord God who baught you, and to deny Him is to voluntarily forfeit the inheritance of the saints He gave His blood to purchase.
You said: “Stop taking the Word of God and twisting it to suit your own occult agenda.”
Stop trying to iron God’s Word flat and change the Bread of Life for unprofitable pasturized pablum.
You sell yourself short and worse yet make our God look smaller instead of magnifying Him as is our right as those who believe on His Name.
Perhaps this is just a Tower of Babel argument. I am not saying anything one way or the other about a Kundalini Spirit. I have not had direct experience with such a thing that I know of, though I have been in congregations where they were calling down fire, but the only times I felt the fire of God were when He himself put a burning in my heart or on my body. It was not painful or sickening, but made me feel whole and well and full of love, and the peaceful presence of God came with it when that fire fell. I don’t doubt it could manifest in other ways, but when I’ve felt the fire of God it was angelic and not demonic, Heavenly and not Hellish, and for the most part private rather than public. I’m not saying He can’t do things outside of my experience or knowledge either, but I bear witness of what I have experienced, not of other spirits at work in other individuals. My two Biblical cents, but the riches of God do multiply when we invest them well.
Franklin
Indeed, you are playing with the fires of Babylon, as you suggested. You wrote:
“Perhaps this is just a Tower of Babel argument. I am not saying anything one way or the other about a Kundalini Spirit. I have not had direct experience with such a thing that I know of, though I have been in congregations where they were calling down fire, but the only times I felt the fire of God were when He himself put a burning in my heart or on my body. It was not painful or sickening, but made me feel whole and well and full of love, and the peaceful presence of God came with it when that fire fell. I don’t doubt it could manifest in other ways, but when I’ve felt the fire of God it was angelic and not demonic, Heavenly and not Hellish, and for the most part private rather than public. I’m not saying He can’t do things outside of my experience or knowledge either, but I bear witness of what I have experienced, not of other spirits at work in other individuals. My two Biblical cents, but the riches of God do multiply when we invest them well.”
The fact that you felt the fire which God supposedly put there Himself, proves that you are scoffing at the essence of faith. The Bible never says, “And without feeling it is impossible to please God.” It says, “But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.” (Heb 11:6)
The fire mentioned in Matthew 3:11 is not a fire to purge away the so-called chaff in your life. Its purpose is clearly defined by the context of verse 12, “Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.”(Mat 3:12). The word “chaff” appears 14 times in the Bible and never in the sense of it being the sins and transgressions of believing saints that need to be burned up. It is always used to describe the wickedness of unbelievers and they, until they repent of their evil, are bound for the unquenchable fires of hell.
Franklin
You said “I felt the fire of God were when He himself put a burning in my heart or on my body. It was not painful or sickening, but made me feel whole and well and full of love, and the peaceful presence of God came with it when that fire fell. I don’t doubt it could manifest in other ways, but when I’ve felt the fire of God it was angelic and not demonic, Heavenly and not Hellish, and for the most part private rather than public. I’m not saying He can’t do things outside of my experience or knowledge either, but I bear witness of what I have experienced, not of other spirits at work in other individuals. My two Biblical cents, but the riches of God do multiply when we invest them well.”
2 Corinthians 11:14 “And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.”
I see I am talking to Franklin, someone who refuses to listen and is trying desperately to imitate a Thesaurus to sound clever! I don’t have time for your manhandling of scripture and your dark NEW AGE beliefs.
Matthew 10:14 “And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.”
You should be a warning to all Christians out there who are playing with demonic ‘fire’ at these so called ‘Christian’ churches.
Hi Tom and Deborah,
I don’t feel the fire at churches, but occaisionally in my alone time with God. Faith and feeling are not mutually exclusive.
I’m not defending Kundalini or churches again, but merely standing up for God’s word. I don’t have time to argue with those unwilling to look at things from a fairminded Biblical perspective myself, but I’ll leave you with three questions:
1. Is there indeed a baptism of fire, or can you pick out the scriptures which are God’s Word from those supposedly added later on by scribes and translators?
If you think God’s Word is corruptable, you are indeed going down a worse path of demonic deception than the church people you rail against, and again I am neutral as to whether any unknown individual in such churches receives the true Holy Spirit, or a counterfeit.
2. What does the Word mean in Isaiah when He says “I will give you the treasures of darkness and things hidden…”?
He is either saying there are things He has hidden in His Word, or advising us to look into the darkness of other religions.
3. Is there a third option for the verse?
I have given you 3 very simple questions here. If you will not or can not answer them, you concede your arguments are shakey at best, unfounded and counterproductive to the growth of God’s people at worse. You choose. I’d like to think you aren’t completely irrational but are capable of defending your views or else modifying them, but your answers or failure to answer will show one way or the other what kind of believer you really are.
Thank you,
Franklin
Dear Franklin
The biggest mistake most people make is taking a verse here and a verse there and attributing their own understanding of that one verse and coming up with an entirely new doctrine.
To answer question 1.
Is there indeed a baptism of fire?
As Tom already explained: “The fire mentioned in Matthew 3:11 is not a fire to purge away the so-called chaff in your life. Its purpose is clearly defined by the context of verse 12, “Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.”(Mat 3:12). The word “chaff” appears 14 times in the Bible and never in the sense of it being the sins and transgressions of believing saints that need to be burned up. It is always used to describe the wickedness of unbelievers and they, until they repent of their evil, are bound for the unquenchable fires of hell.”
Then…at the BEMA seat after Christians have been raptured there is what is called the doctrine of Rewards and the Judgment Seat of Christ which we as the Bride of Christ will go through. Romans 14:10–12 says, “…For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God. 1 1For it is written, “As I live, says the Lord, every knee will bow to me, and every tongue will give praise to God.” 12 Therefore, each of us will give an account of himself to God.”
What is the fire at the Judgment Seat of Christ? Please read: https://forwhatsaiththescriptures.org/2017/08/14/fire-at-judgment-seat-of-christ/
Jesus when he was baptised was NOT baptised by fire, nor was he baptised by the Holy Spirit as He was born of the Holy Spirit. (Word of Faith teachers preach that Jesus needed to be baptised in order to perform miracles – what a lie from the pit of hell). His baptism was not for the remission of sins either as Jesus was and is sinless. Jesus Christ’s baptism was to show the Jewish people that He was the Messiah, and that Jesus Christ will not baptize like John the Baptist (in water for the remission of sins) but with the Holy Spirit (spiritual water – into the One and Only Baptism of His death, burial and resurrection). In fact John the Baptist didn’t even know who Jesus was until He baptised Him…look at this awesome scripture:
(John 1:29-34) 29 On the next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world! 30 This is the one about whom I said, ‘After me comes a man who is greater than I am, because he existed before me.’ 31 I did not recognize him, but I came baptizing with water so that he could be revealed to Israel.” 32 Then John testified, “I saw the Spirit descending like a dove from heaven, and it remained on him. 33 And I did not recognize him, but the one who sent me to baptize with water said to me, ‘The one on whom you see the Spirit descending and remaining, this is the one who baptizes with the Holy Spirit.’ 34 I have both seen and testified that this man is the Chosen One of God.”
To answer question 2.
What does Isaiah 45:3 mean, “I will give you the treasures of darkness”?
In the context, God is addressing Cyrus, the Persian King whom God calls his anointed. This is an appropriate title for the heathen king for two reasons: Cyrus, as a temporal deliverer of God’s people, and serves as an illustration of Jesus Christ, the eternal Redeemer; and because vassal rulers were anointed by their superior rulers, Cyrus, as one who carried out God’s purposes, could properly be said to be an anointed vassal. Like Jesus Christ, Cyrus’ mission was to deliver and to judge. On the night the Persians captured Babylon some of the men entered on the dry river bed and opened the gates to their armies from the inside.
In God’s purpose for Cyrus, He promised to clear the impediments to his progress and purpose (vs. 2). Then in verse 3, the promise is given that, as Israel’s God, the Lord would give Cyrus possession of the “Treasures of darkness.” This referred to the wealth of the vanquished pagan nations which was customarily concealed in subterranean vaults. Thus, they are called the treasure of darkness, i.e., treasures which came from darkness spiritually and literally. They were also called “the hidden riches of secret places (see Jer. 41:8; 50:37). https://bible.org/question/what-does-isaiah-453-mean-%E2%80%9Ci-will-give-you-treasures-darkness%E2%80%9D
To answer questions 3.
No.
Now I would like to think you are not completely irrational and deceived into all sorts of strange doctrines.
For instance, you claim on your Facebook page that Christians wont even recognize Jesus Christ when He comes, yet the bible clearly states: John 10:27 “My sheep listen to my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.”
John 10:1-5 1 “I tell you the solemn truth, the one who does not enter the sheepfold by the door, but climbs in some other way, is a thief and a robber. 2 The one who enters by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. 3 The doorkeeper opens the door for him, and the sheep hear his voice. He calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. 4 When he has brought all his own sheep out, he goes ahead of them, and the sheep follow him because they recognize his voice. 5 They will never follow a stranger, but will run away from him, because they do not recognize the stranger’s voice.
So what ‘Christ’ are you referring to then that Christians wont recognize or should I say will REFUSE to recognize as their Messiah for he is actually the antichrist.
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@Franklin: The Bible clearly states that there is not only water baptism (full immersion), but also a baptism of fire, which is explained to be baptism in the Holy Spirit.
1. Matthew 3:11 [John the Baptist says:] I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire.
2. Luke 3:16 John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire.
3. John 1:33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.
4. Acts 1:5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.
5. Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
6. Acts 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.
7. 1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
Astrid, have you ever taken up serpents and drunk any deadly thing like rat poison? You haven’t. Well, then you are disobedient to Jesus who said, “He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved, but he that believeth not shall be damned. And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.” (Mar 16:16-18). Do you see the dichotomy in today’s false teaching that you must be baptized with water and fire?
John the Baptist’s words in Matthew 3:11 prove that water baptism is redundant. Paul even said, “For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.” (1 Co 1:17). However, every person who Paul led to Christ and got saved was baptized into the body of Christ BY THE SPIRIT (the Living Water). (1 Corinthians 12:13).
You are supposed to also quote verse 12 in Matthew 3:11 because it gives you the context of the “fire, “Whose fan is in his hand, and he will thoroughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner, but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.” (Mat 3:12). Therefore, the fire is not a blessing but a curse. What John the Baptist said in effect, is that his baptism with water could only lead people to a decision unto repentance, and could NOT judge or commit anyone who did not repent to eternal perdition in hell. Only Jesus can do that – either baptize those who repent into his Body by his Holy Spirit, or baptize those who do not repent into the unquenchable fire of hell.
Dear Astrid
Ah another 1 verse wonder you are. You are are the happiest CHAFF I have ever come across, who is over the moon that she is on her way to hell.
There is this saying “if you can read you have a future”. You should try it sometime, might save your soul from damnation.