Biblical Holy Spirit vs. Unholy Spirit of Fire
Holy Spirit vs. Filthy Spirit of Fire, the calling down of Fire from heaven over a congregation, or praying Fire over someone is the norm in the church today. It has come to resemble the early heretic Gnostic churches. Religious ecstasy (or Kundalini) was to be found in the mystery religions of the first century A.D. Back when the Corinth church seemed to be a hub of pagan Gnostic knowledge and ran rampant in unscriptural and immoral practices; the Greek mystery religions had prophets who babbled in unknown tongues which were caused by a Kundalini awakening.
Below is a table explaining the differences between The Biblical Holy Spirit compared to The Kundalini unholy spirit that masquerades as the Biblical Holy Spirit. This table is exhaustive and contains everything you need to know:
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Who is the Holy Spirit? |
Who is the Kundalini unholy spirit? |
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How do we receive the Holy Spirit |
How do we get this unholy spirit? |
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** Through the false ‘Baptism of the unholy Spirit’.** The calling down of Fire (Serpent Fire).
** Being filled with the Unholy Ghost by Fire.
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Are there any happenings that go with the filling of the Holy Spirit? |
Are there any feelings or happenings that go with this filling of the unholy spirit? |
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What does ‘Walking in the Spirit’ mean?. What does being “Filled by the Holy Spirit’ mean? |
What happens when we have opened our Third Eye? (6th Chakra) |
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Evidence or Signs: |
False Signs and Wonders: |
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This Kundalini spirit is found in all religions across the world just under different names:
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False ‘unholy spirit fire‘ in action masquerading as Holy Spirit:
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Montanism
Montanism was an early Gnostic so called Christian movement of the late 2nd century, later referred to by the name of its founder, Montanus, but originally known by its adherents as the New Prophecy (or ‘The Phyrgian Heresy’) . The heretical movement spread rapidly to other regions in the Roman Empire at a time before Christianity was generally tolerated or legal. It persisted in some isolated places into the 6th century.
It was a prophetic movement that called for a reliance on the spontaneity of the Holy Spirit and spoke extra biblical revelation. Parallels have been made between Montanism and modern day movements such as the charismatic movement, and the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR). [1]
As the name “New Prophecy” implied, Montanism was a movement focused around prophecy, specifically those of the movement’s founders which were believed to contain the Holy Spirit’s revelation for the present age.[2] New Prophecy departed from Church tradition as described by Eusebius of Caesarea [3]: “And he [Montanus] became beside himself, and being suddenly in a sort of frenzy and ecstasy, he raved, and began to babble and utter strange things, prophesying in a manner contrary to the constant custom of the Church handed down by tradition from the beginning.”[4]
The Montanist prophets did not speak as messengers of God but were described as possessed by God while being unable to resist. Montanists believed that the new prophecies superseded and fulfilled the doctrines proclaimed by the Apostles.[5] Thus, they were seen as false prophets because they acted irrationally and were not in control of their senses.[6]
The Roman Catholic unholy spirit of FIRE
The church has gone so far with this unholy fire that it has literally ENGULFED the entire church. You need to be permanently on FIRE for God according to the powers that be (TBN (Trinity Broadcasting Network), God TV, Rodney Howard-Browne, Kenneth Copeland, Angus Buchan, Rick Joyner, Ray McCauley, Cindy Jacobs, Deon Hockey, Kim Clement, Marc Bredenkamp, Leon du Preez, Harold Weitsz, et al.) as they spell out their incantation and throw FIRE, FIRE, and more FIRE in the congregations direction. Those in the congregation who have experienced this religious ecstasy want more, and those who have not experienced it, want to experience it because they believe this is the Holy Spirit as work.
The ‘Heart of God is now on FIRE‘ and everyone is pushed in this direction by the church to get to know ‘God’s heart‘. What they don’t tell you is that this ‘Heart of God’ is the Roman Catholic Sacred Heart of Jesus, and it is also the Immaculate Heart of Mary.
The church as it currently stands is being shoved towards pagan ROME at a rapid speed. But in order for Pentecostals and Charismatics to accept Roman Catholicism they would first have to accept the ‘spirit‘ by which it operates. Rome’s EVANGELIZATION of non-Catholics started decades ago, and their hard labour has paid off. Just as the ancient Egyptians viewed Kundalini as being ‘Ra‘ who is symbolized as the sun because the sun is the source of kundalini energy. So does the Roman Catholic Church who, worships the Sun god Mithra (incarnation of Ra).
Let’s have a look and see that the bible says about “fire called down from heaven” in the New Testament.
Revelation 13:13 “he [antichrist] doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,”
G4442 πῦρ pur (pïr’) n.
fire.
{literally or figuratively}
This fire is spiritual and literal. In the last days, the antichrist, the false Church, and it’s followers call down spiritual FIRE from heaven onto earth – this fire is satanic, it’s captures your soul with fake love and false manifestations that capture your mind. The antichrist will also bring down real fire from heaven in the sight of me to deceive them.
Was fire ever called down from heaven when Jesus walked the earth? Nope, how do we know? Well let’s go to God’s Word…look at this:
During Jesus’ earthly ministry, the disciples James and John wanted to call down fire from heaven in judgment of a Samaritan village that did not welcome the Lord Jesus Christ. What did Jesus Christ say to his disciples?
Luke 9:55- “But He turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.“
As we can clearly see from the bible, this spirit is from Satan, and is NOT the Holy Spirit. Jesus had not come “to condemn the world, but to save the world” (John 3:17)
This ‘fire that is called down from heaven’ is from Satan, another spirit, an unholy spirit – that condemns you.
[Edited 5 Oct 2018: I’ve added this to explain the above in more detail because of this comment: 2018/10/05 at 3:17 pm:
Please note I am not saying that God did not ever use fire to destroy wickedness.
In the verses Luke 9:54-56 Jesus rebukes his disciples for trying to call down fire from heaven, why? Jesus would never rebuke Elijah for what he did in calling down fire to destroy wickedness, if He did He would be rebuking the Father Himself as God rained fire and brimstone down on Sodom and Gomorrah and surrounding towns. One needs to compare OT to NT. Different dispensations.
What do the words “You know not what manner of spirit you are of.” mean? James and John in all their faithful zeal to Jesus Christ thought they were doing a good thing by wanting to destroy the wicked town that rejected Jesus by doing as Elijah did when he called down fire under OT Law. However the Apostles in training as I call them (Peter, James, John) had just recently seen Moses and Elias speaking with Jesus on the Mount of Transfiguration. So James and John, thinking they could copy Elijah, where wrong in their thinking, and were in fact sinning when they wanted to call down fire, because they did not understand and they were under grace and Jesus didn’t operate like that. That is why Jesus rebuked them.
Anyone who wants to call down fire (be it physical fire or spiritual fire to destroy the soul) in this age of grace has a spirit of vengeance and it’s not from God.
This fire is a counterfeit. It’s a fire that leads to the UNITY of all religions, the joining of Protestant and Catholic, a co-reformation – into the false Christian church we have today. ]
2018: Year of the Holy Ghost and Fire by Kenneth Copeland
Please read the full comment where I give a transcript from Kenneth Copeland on what ‘burning the chaff’ means in his dictionary.
Charles Spurgeon
And if you think calling down fire is limited to only Charismatics? Think again. The so called ‘Prince of Preachers’ of Calvinism, Charles Spurgeon himself called down demonic Kunalini fire.
Holy Fire / Divine Fire / Heart of Flame
Holy Fire
Charles Spurgeon: “The church needs fire to quicken her ministers, to give zeal and energy to all her members. Having this fire, she burns her way to success! The world meets her with the fire of firewood, but she confronts the world with the fire of kindling spirits, and of souls aglow with the love of Jesus Christ. She trusts not to the wit, and eloquence, and wisdom of her preachers, but to the divine fire which clothes them with energy! She knows that men are irresistible when they are filled with hallowed enthusiasm sent from God. She trusts therefore in this, and her cry is, “Come, Holy Fire, abide upon our pastors and teachers! Rest upon every one of us!” —The Superlative Excellence of the Holy Spirit #574 https://www.spurgeongems.org/vols10-12/chs574.pdf
Divine Fire
Charles Spurgeon: “Brothers, I beseech you keep to the old gospel, and let your souls be filled with it, and then may you be set on fire with it! When the wick is saturated, let the flame be applied. Fire from Heaven is still the necessity of the age. They call it “go”, and there is nothing which goes like it; for when fire once starts upon a vast prairie or forest, all that is dry and withered must disappear before its terrible advance. May God Himself, who is a consuming fire, ever burn in you as in the bush at Horeb! All other things being equal, that man will do most who has most of the Divine fire.” — How to Meet the Evils of the Age Chapter 4 https://archive.spurgeon.org/misc/aarm04.php
Occult teaching on Holy fire and Divine fire
Theosophy: “In a certain sense, the task before the disciple is the evocation of the “divine fire“, Kundalini, and the infusion of the principle of Will in him by that divine fire; the golden light mingling with the red flame, to produce the colour of the mystic rose. The fiery aspiration of the disciple evokes the higher celestial fire, and the two blend in one, the holy fire which shall thereafter illumine and enkindle that disciple’s heart and life and every act.” –— The Theosophical Quarterly Volumes 17-18 1919 edited by Clement Acton Griscom pg. 226, https://books.google.com/books?id=g3g1AQAAMAAJ
Heart of Flame (see Roman Catholic Heart of Fire above)
Spurgeon: “But we bless God that there are not so many of that sort, now, and we pray that the race may become quite extinct—and that every pulpit may be filled with a man who has a tongue of fire and a heart of flame and who shuns not to declare the whole counsel of God, neither seeking the smiles of men nor dreading their frowns!” — The Dumb Singing #2625 http://www.spurgeongems.org/vols43-45/chs2625.pdf
Occult teaching on Heart of Flame
Universal Brotherhood (Theosophical teachings):”Then One spoke – He of the mighty arm – He of the eye of power. And He inquired (speaking calm and low, and looking round on all the gathered throng) who would willing go into the world of flesh – to waken all the souls that now could hear, and teach to them the meaning high, sublime, of life; show them the Movement – flowing onward like a river vast, with but one source and end; teach them how to enter on that tide, and moving with Love – and for this Fire Divine in thee thou hast been called ‘The Heart of Flame.” — UNIVERSAL BROTHERHOOD, Volume 15, nos. 7-12, pg. 439-440 https://www.scribd.com/document/37146710/Universal-Brotherhood-v15-n7-12
Salvation or Deliverance
If you need salvation and or deliverance from this false unholy spirit or any other demonic spirit, please read this article: Seeking Salvation or Deliverance.
Here is an excellent article that explains the history, characteristics and fruit of the Vatican Second Council New Evangelization initiative: The New Evangelical – Evil fit for a New Dark Age. See this article on the Roman Catholic goddess Mary (incarnation of Isis, etc) : Mary Queen of Heaven – Whore of Babylon
A collage of images taken from the internet showing an explosion of demonic FIRE. Everything now involves this unholy FIRE; from books, music, banners, posters, tattoos, t-shirts and background pictures for your pc.
Notes:
[1] Robeck, Cecil M., Jr. (2010). “Montanism and Present Day ‘Prophets'”. Pneuma: the Journal of the Society for Pentecostal Studies 32: 413.
[2] Tabbernee, Prophets and Gravestones, p. 68.
[3] Tabbernee, Prophets and Gravestones, pp. 12, 37.
[4] Eusebius of Caesarea, Ecclesiastical History Book 5. Chapter 16. paragraph 7.
[5] a b c Chapman, John (1911). “Montanists”. The Catholic Encyclopedia. 10. Robert Appleton Company. Retrieved 27 June 2011.
[6] Epiphanius, Against Heresies, 48.3-4.
i do know the gospel truth its you who dosent i think you are blinded to the truth you frae what might happen if you experience more of what the holy spirit wants to give you i dont want power its the holy spirit that gives the power to go out and witness to the world to see people been saved and sharing the love encouraged otheres in there walk with jesus which you dont talk about all you have done is criticesed people on here i think you need to read your bible and ask jesus if what otheres are saying about the baptism of the holy spirit is truth and weather its for all belivers and stop judging others walk with god ephesians 3 verses 14 to 19 this is a few verses god spoke to me romans 16 verses 17 to 20 thats from the living bible and thats exactly what you are doing this was given to me when i was a very young christian i will be praying for you your sister in christ
irene stockley
Do you believe it is possible to be deceived, to believe that you have received the Holy Spirit when it is not the true Holy Spirit but another spirit or that you follow Jesus Christ when it is another Jesus? For instance, were you slain in the spirit? I can’t remember whether I asked you this before but please answer me? Did someone lay hands on you and did you fall backward to be slain in the spirit? I sincerely hope you hadn’t been slain because Romans 16:17-20 was written for those who have never been slain in the spirit to warn them against those who had been slain. If you had been slain, then you did not receive the Holy Spirit but another spirit who fills you with “fire” – the fire of hell.
no i havent been slain of in the spirit ut i know plenty of true christians who have and second there is no other jesus and thirdly those verses in romans 16 verses 17 to 20 are talking about false teachers not been slain in the spirit i has them verses underlined in my bible years ago and its false teachers like you who are decieving people i read the living bible which is so explanitary a bible my first pastor recomend i use so im sorry but you cant judge me god will do the judging when he returns again to earth why do you think you have it right and eery one has it wrong your speaking froms mans point of view not gods
So the unforgivable sin is not thinking Jesus is evil either? I just don’t know see why they would put it in the bible or warn people of it if we couldn’t commit it in this day and age
Kevin
I’ll find another source of info for you so you can see:
So the unforgivable sin is rejecting Jesus Christ to such a degree that in that person’s heart there is no return and never will they accept Jesus Christ. The Pharisee’s were like that, totally stone cold evil.
Kevin you are not stone cold evil (are you?), you are seeking Jesus Christ from what I can gather and want to be released from the evil that has you in it’s grip? The very fact that you are worried you have committed the unforgivable sin shows that you have not 🙂 The Apostle Paul was a murderer, hated Christianity and Jesus Christ and he turned out to be the greatest preacher of all time and wrote most of the New Testament that was inspired by the Holy Spirit.
irene
>> no i havent been slain of in the spirit
– have you had hands laid on you?
– have you been baptised in the Holy Spirit – is this the time you started to speak in tongues?
– do you meditate?
– have you been in a church where the pastor ‘throws fire’ and you willingly put your hands up to receive it?
>> i read the living bible which is so explanitary a bible
Why do you need an explanatory bible? When the bible says that it’s the Holy Spirit that will teach you and guide you into all truth. Now you read the explanations of some other person and have been indoctrinated by them.
John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
I have heard more than one preacher say the unforgivable sin is dying without having received Jesus as your Lord and Savior because after death there is no second chance. On another subject. Have you heard some people saying those that reject Jesus will not spend eternity in Hell but after awhile they will cease to exist. I do not believe this is true.
Maryann,
“Man was made in the image of God” means that he is an eternal being. You are quite right. No one is going to cease to exist after death. Indeed, an eternity in hell is called “eternal death” but it will be a spiritual death in the sense that they will be completely cut off from the Living water (the Holy Spirit who gives life) for an eternity. I don’t believe hell fire will be a literal fire as we know it. It will be a “fire” that is far worse than normal fire (Matthew 3:11, 16). It will be an eternal thirst after the Holy Spirit that will never be satisfied. When the rich man in hell said, “Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame” (Luke 16:24), it could not have been for H2O he asked for because H2O cannot possibly quench the thirst of a spirit. A spirit does not have a tongue and neither can fire devour it. This kind of fire, as I said, will be far worse than a physical fire. It will be like the gnawing and gnawing and gnawing of worms that never die (Mark 9:44, 46 and 48).
When the Pharisees committed the unpardonable sin by attributing to the Holy Spirit the works of the devil, they were still alive, not dead. Anyone who says the Holy Spirit is of the devil cannot be convicted of sin, righteousness and judgment in order to be saved. How can someone be convicted of their sin when they stubbornly and persistently believe that the Holy Spirit’s conviction is of the devil? That’s impossible. Let’s dramatize it a little. The Holy Spirit comes to someone and says, “You are lost and need to be saved by Jesus Christ” and the person says, “I can’t be lost because I am already righteous. You cannot be the Holy Spirit because He will never tell me I am lost. Therefore, you must be of the devil.” A person who persistently has this attitude toward the Holy Spirit until his/her death cannot be saved. People who commit the unpardonable sin do so during their life on earth. Jesus performed miracles in the power of the Holy Spirit to convince the Jews that He is their Messiah who had come to save them. The Pharisees who believed they were already righteous by keeping the Law, did not believe Him and stubbornly attributed his miracles (which He performed to prove that He was of God and indeed God incarnate) to the devil. How can the HG convict someone when they believe He is the devil? Impossible!
Hard on the heels of Rodney Howard Browne’s comeback in Washington DC (and his ensuing “awakening” meetings around the world, inc an upcoming one in Australia) is a “Catch the Fire” conference in Toronto in the same ‘church’ which hosted the ‘Toronto Curse–oops–Blessing’. Speakers include the Arnotts, Kenneth Copeland, Reinhard Bonnke, and Marcus Lamb. This link takes you to the website of the Arnott’s church/ministry (now called Catch the Fire, formerly the Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship). Notice how often ‘fire’ is mentioned in the promotional blurbs about the speakers/worship leaders at this (Kundalini)conference.
http://ctfconference.com/ctf-2015-toronto
Also this year a meeting took place in Jerusalem (Empowered21) involving NAR heavies Bill Johnson and Cindy Jacobs, Copeland and the head of the AOG in the States as an expected “new Pentecost” is being prepared for.
I think the big (false) outpouring prophesied by many could be about to hit. If so, I predict a demonic tsunami of overwhelming proportions which may make Pensecola, Lakeland and the earlier Toronto debacles look like “trailers” in comparison to the “main feature”. To quote from an article title on this site: RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!
Thanks Mike for the info,
I wrote the following comment on their YouTube video.
Yeah! Want to know how these charlatans and false teachers catch the fire? Well, on their registration page they say “HE [GOD] WANTS US TO WANT MORE.” They have deliberately left out two words ‘”YOUR MONEY.” So what they’re actually saying is “GOD WANTS US TO WANT MORE OF YOUR MONEY.”
Mike it is very interesting that they have called themselves ‘Empowered21’. In DTW’s recent article on the events happening in September you will notice the following;
25 Sept 2015 – Pope Francis goes to UN and addresses the UN General Assembly of Word Leaders and Sustainable Development – Unification of the worlds laws.
The particular name for the UN’s action plan of ‘Sustainable Development’ to which the the Pope will be speaking on at the UN General Assembly on the 25th September is ‘Agenda 21’.
Cincidence? Empowered 21 and Agenda 21?
You’re welcome Tom. Your comment on YouTube is astute.
The meetings are being put up on YouTube. Here’s a link to one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sShz–tuTVU
After the (so-called) worship muzak finishes, the same kundalini manifestations begin, especially through Carol Arnott. Bill Johnson is spoken of and there are some testimonies which fully display how totally deceived these people are. One British woman speaks of a ‘healing’ after great heat went through her body. A man in some kind of ministry compares a touch from the ‘Holy Spirit'(via Benny Hinn) to a telegraph pole being slammed into his stomach. It is both horrifying and fascinating to see where this farrago of Gnostic Christianity will ultimately lead to. It has never gone away and it appears to be making a very public comeback, uniting many heretical groups and ministries together.
Hi Joe. Yes, very interesting. I think ’21’ stands for ’21st Century’, a century which appears to be marked by great apostasy and the fulfillment of last days prophecies.
Where in the bible does it say “just accept the Lord as your personal Savior and you are saved?” Where does it mention the word “trinity?” How about “God the Son” or “God the Holy Spirit,” I only find “God the Father” and “I and my Father are One”and that “the Lord your God is ONE”…not 3 and how can 3 persons be 1? God is a Spirit, not a person. God wrapped Himself in flesh to become humanlike so there could be the ultimate sacrifice when Christ died at calvary on the cross. Spirits have no blood and blood was a requirement for remission of sins. The bible says to work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. I pray you seek the answers to my questions and I pray the Lord leads and guides you into all truths. Please Search the Scriptures, they are your lifeline. I agree about reading the book of Acts closely and see how the first church did things, they modeled Jesus and we should do the same. Peter said in Acts 2:38 to repent, be baptized in Jesus name, and you shall receive the Holy Ghost. That was the great commission fulfillment as it was preformed by Peter. If it was not meant to be that way, then why didnt Jesus’ mother Mary tell Peter different, she was right there in the upper room? It was meant to be in Jesus’ name for baptism, it was His blood that was shed. The NAME (SINGULAR) of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is JESUS. There is no other name to be saved by. Thank you.
MD
You should also tremble for believing the lies you proclaim.
I live in a small town in west Texas. The teachings of the NAR and WoF movement are just now making there way here. I left my church of over 20 year due to unbiblical practices that were taking place there. While talking to those who are following these teaching I have noticed something. They always refer to The Holy Spirit as just Holy Spirit. They would say things in this manner,”Just seek Holy Spirit for guidance” Does anyone know why they leave out the “The” I guess its not a huge issue but it bothers me.
Why is the Catholic Church part of the spirit of fire ?
I was baptized into the Catholic church but unfortunately stopped going to mass when I was a child. As a result of not going to mass and not studying God’s word I allowed myself to be deceived by reiki and then other spiritual practices which unfortunately led to me experiencing kundalini. Through a prayer to God he lifted me out of the deception. It was only when I went back to Catholic church and renewed by baptism that things improved. I then went for confession and have said prayers of deliverance and also had other Catholics and a few priests pray for me. It is from them prayers and confessions that the kundalini stopped. There was still the odd lingering effect but with each month, the prayers have quelled it more and more and have freed me from so much. So it is the Catholic church which has freed me from the kundalini and demonic bonds which were influencing me. I now go to weekly mass and pray to God daily.
Dear Sean
Here you have one false religion that being the Roman Catholic church that helped rid you of your other false Eastern religion which manifests itself as a kundlini manifestation. This is very interesting. Dear Sean the Roman Catholic church is actually Babylonianism as spoken of in the bible. The Jesus that hangs on the cross in the RCC is the Babylonian God Tammuz or the Egyptian God Horus, it’s not Jesus Christ the Son of God from the bible and the 25th December celebrated as Christmas day is not Jesus Christ’s birthday, but it is the birth of the Sun God (Nimrod or Mithra), this is the God of the Roman Catholic Church. Please see: F i r e & A s h e s—I r o n & C l a y Please go do research on who Jesus is actually in the RCC and who Mary is actually in the RCC. Also ask yourself why the RCC has statues that are venerated when the bible’s 10 commandments say that you should not make idols or images and worship them.
Leviticus 26:1
You shall make no idols nor graven images, neither raise you up a standing image, neither shall you set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the LORD your God.
I had a person to pray(over the phone) for my healing and say a bunch weird things about not “claiming” the illness for myself(I thought that didn’t sound Biblical but I humored him ) He said that he “felt” things moving in the area.Do you feel a “warmth” in the area now? I said that I didn’t the “warmth” After saying I felt no pain that satisfied him(I wanted this ordeal to be over).I am so glad I didn’t feel the “warmth” after reading this.I’d rather be sick and serve God than have some kind of deceitful healing.
Dear Laura
>> I’d rather be sick and serve God than have some kind of deceitful healing.
Amen to that!
Laura & Deborah ~ thanks for this important quote about preferring sickness in this life and serving God with what we can rather than receiving a deceitful healing. I wanted you to know this greatly impacted me, I went to bed thinking about it. So never belittle even taking time to write something on a site, as it can have a big impact.
Something I’ve been wrestling with for the past several months and I appreciate your Biblical discernment. I’ve gone the route of medical doctors & after all the horrendous side effects from their prescribed drugs all but ruined my life (leaving me to the point of not being able to function very well), then I turned to alternative ways of healing. Now don’t let that word, “alternative” scare you as I don’t mean acupuncture or yoga (no way) or anything of the sort… sometimes alternative can mean simply getting away from medicine and eating the best foods you can afford. Enjoying the sunshine, resting, and praying for the Lord’s blessings to heal you if it be His will. {No, WOF people, it is not ALWAYS God’s will! The Apostle Paul had a PHYSICAL ailment…)
At any rate, my question is would you accept medicine or healing if you KNEW the people providing it were FAKE Christians?? How would you feel about that?
And what I’ve wrestled with is how is this any different than when a regular M.D. prescribes something … as for all we know, the prescription has been prayed over by wiccans or atheists or simply some money-grubbing “business men” who care little about how it’s going to negatively affect our bodies?
? ~ ? ~ ?
I will seriously give careful thought to your answers as like I say I’ve struggled with this for the past several months.
Thank you
Dear RJ
I too am very ill, one illness started in 2008 and now I have 2 autoimmune diseases to top it off that started last year. The one autoimmune disease is so rare hardly anyone has heard of it. Drs look at me dumbfounded and tell me they don’t know what to do. So I prayed. Because Jesus is the the best Dr you can find. And through prayer I landed up at one of the best Rheumatologists in South Africa who was the one who diagnosed me correctly and she has given me medication. It’s awful medicine and makes me very sick but it’s all I have to take for now – a dear friend recently showed me another medicine that apparently works well with what I have, and I will show my Dr this soon and see what she has to say.
Now we all know that medication is made at pharmaceutical companies who are occult run. So what do I do before I take my meds, (the same thing I do before I eat, I pray) I pray and ask Jesus to bless my medicine and remove any occult techniques/prayers used over the medicine from the pharmaceutical companies and then I hand my medication over to Jesus and ask Him to help make the medication work for me. And if it’s the wrong meds He needs to get me on the correct meds. Now I too have gone very healthy living, lots a veg, fresh fruit with good vitamins in, no fat, cooking with a little bit coconut oil instead of sunflower seed oil etc.
And then to top it off you can ask Him to heal you if IT IS HIS WILL to heal you, and He will heal you in His appointed time, but for sure it’s in His will to look after you right up to you last breath and that I hold him too 🙂 also and this is something I think about a lot – the bible reminds us that God can bring about good from any situation. (Romans 8:28)
>> At any rate, my question is would you accept medicine or healing if you KNEW the people providing it were FAKE Christians?? How would you feel about that?
Are you talking about them laying hands on you? You get Drs that are fake Christians and hand out meds like unsaved Drs who hand out meds – their qualifications are the same so I would take it and pray over it. I would not take ‘healing’ from anyone.
Thank you, Deborah! And during the time we have remaining here on earth, I can pray for you, too. BTW, have you looked into the possible connection between gluten & rheumatoid arthritis? Years ago, that was truly something the Lord led me to ~~ as I would have been in a wheelchair for the past 20 years with R.A. had I not come to discover it was gluten that was giving me horrible, horrendous pain & killing me…. all praises & glory to the Lord for that.
Oh NO WAY, I probably phrased that wrong as I was in a big hurry when I wrote it, but certainly not — I would never allow someone to “lay hands on me” for healing. (too “out there”, WOF’ish for me!)
Though it is Biblically correct (James 5:4) to call for the elders of the church & for them to come, pray over the sick person & anoint him/her with oil.
Again, thank you SO MUCH for your wisdom here! Really? Pharmaceutical companies are occult run? Well I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised the way they’re money grubbing, always trying to push everyone in the world to pop pills. Is that the same connotation of the word, “sorcery” in Revelation? Anyway, thank you again.
Hi RJ
ROTFL @ “it was gluten that was giving me horrible, horrendous pain & killing me…. all praises & glory to the Lord for that.” Yes I can see why that came out the wrong way LOLOL.
I’m gonna take this conversation offline and email you 🙂
I don’t see how see how she can favor A.W. Tozer, or Christian and Missionary Alliance, when he believed in The Gifts as current and active, and even his own denomination considered him prophetic.I do not believe that Joyce Meyer, Todd Bentley, Benny Hinn, or Kenneth Copeland are saved, but “Masonic pre-trib white alien ufo Jesus witches”. God does NOT come into your stomach, but into your heart. Prophets are not witches. Witches are not prophets. She even calls Charles Spurgeon a “clairvoyant”. She is as nuts as Steven Anderson. They should battle each other, like prophets vs witches. This crappyblog is not preparing anybody for what is about to happen, other than helping SOME sucked into error. But don’t let bad experience create false doctrine, and listen to someone who is WRONGLY DIVIDING THE WORD OF TRUTH. I grew up around all these arguments. I used to be possessed with what she speaks of, in my stomach. Then, after being unpossessed, and shown the KJV Romans Road, and born from above by the REAL Holy Spirit, who lives in my heart, my life changed. Luke 24:32 is a literal reality. IT’s people like her that made me doubt my salvation and regeneration, after it had already happened, because I was so scared of being deceived again, that I was deceived again, into the pre-trib rapture and fireless life she is talking about. My life has been hell regarding this topic, like it did Christmas Evans. (url removed) —MY heart burns within me, and sometimes so do other parts, when I help others with deliverance or whatever. God used me to lead one of His sons to Himself through repentance and faith in Yahshua Messiah, and then cast out a demon that was making him think he was being abducted by “Aliens.” She is really of no use on the battlefront. She is making people doubt the REAL Holy Spirit, with false dispensational pre-trib doctrine learned second hand. The original pre-trib teachers were Masonic witches as well, and the original “charismatics.” It’s just like how the American media switched the conservatives from blue to red on the poll panels. That’s why satan set up the counterfeit. and cults. DUH! HELLO WAYNE! How blind are people? To deny the True. (url removed) Her exegesis is weak. Women are NOT to be exegeting Scripture, for they are more easily deceived. If she knew proper doctrine from The Puritans (John Bunyan, Christmas Evans, John Owen, Charles Spurgeon), she would see that John Macarthur is wrong. False doctrine that divides 1Cor 14, from 1 Cor 15 is straight from hell, and leads to powerless pre-trib rapture position, without weapons to stand against the Enemy in saucers preaching gay Islam during Great Tribulation. We are NOT called to “discern the world”, we are called to “discern the spirits”, which she cannot do very well, obviously. She is still following a false witchcraft doctrine. She could be a witch herself. How can we know? If all you see is the false, then do you really know what is true? Who is your focus? Yahshua Messiah, or “Jesus”?
Mrnothing
Okaaaaayyyy then… O_O
PS, stop spamming us with comments.
oh my….. Deborah!! hahha!! Such a NUT I am!! Been a while since I’ve come back around — and didn’t even REALIZE till just now reading this — what exactly I had written!! LOL…. too funny!! At least the Lord knew my heart! (and thank you for understanding, too!)
Note to self: might be wise to stop posting so early in the mornings when I still do not yet have the cobwebs outta’ my head! …… smile…..
Dear RJ
I laughed out loud and giggled for the whole day, it was really funny 🙂 Don’t worry Jesus does definitely know your heart 🙂
I received the kundalini 10 years ago in a Pentecostal church. I can still speak it now. How do I remove it? Also can you please pray for healing of my bowel issues? Thanks.
Dear May
You said “I received the kundalini 10 years ago in a Pentecostal church. I can still speak it now. How do I remove it? ”
You need genuine salvation AND deliverance from this demonic entity. Please see here: https://www.discerningtheworld.com/seeking-deliverance/
You said: “Also can you please pray for healing of my bowel issues? Thanks.”
If it is God’s will He will heal you, if not pray that He looks after you. Everyone want’s healing but no one wants to rely on God during their time of illness.
THIS MIGHT HELP SOME PEOPLE…
Where to begin? When I was a young teen my family converted to Catholicism. It wasn’t too long after that I rejected Christ for intellectualism. In the same period I explored Buddhism. Immediately then I went on to EVERYTHING. This cocktail of religious and metaphysical conceptualizing led me to my Kundalini awakening. (No, it was not awakened in a church…)
Yes, at the time I began referring to scriptures in the Bible. I swore this was the “true Holy Spirit” and began working through all the symptoms and such nonsense. Now, fortunately, I found a way out of this because I was clinging to pseudo-Hindu/Yogi groups. These people couldn’t quite figure out how to make it out of their Kundalini troubles (LOLOL)
Yeah, well I started looking at symptoms of anxiety. The list is quite extensive. Anxiety symptoms and Kundalini are actually identical. Anxiety does cause electrical sensations.
Hear this: REAL YOGIS (those who existed hundreds of years back) had a very different experience with Kundalini. This has been documented, compared by modern Yogic scholars. Why are your bodies getting hot and suffering from rashes!? You should simply feel a cold moisture and a moment of calm joy, not all the other baggage that modern westerners are being wrecked over. What’s going on?
I’ll tell you what’s going on. The genuine spiritualists of the eastern paths (REAL Buddhism, Taoism, and Hinduism) have nothing in common with the modern Americanized versions. For instance, did you know that absolute celibacy was required for liberation of the soul? Even the Messiah Jesus Christ taught this (read Luke and Mark, about marriage). Also, you have to be ready and willing to forsake all family, friends, habits, and so forth in order to become a son/daughter of God. Why do modern Buddhists teach there is no God or God is irrelevant?
Real tantra involved absolute denial of the sexual functions. Why do American teachers of Tantra have their students pay large sums of money to learn how to build up for a massive orgasm? You are not supposed to be having an orgasm to attain tantra but the opposite… NONE!
Here’s another.
Siddhartha Gautama (the Buddha) actually prophesied about Jesus Christ and told his adherents to abandon the path that he had established – that the man who would come into the world would bring you to the highest Heaven.
Why are people not being told these things!? Hmm…
Anyway, not to get out of touch with people who haven’t studied that kind of stuff. I hope the moderator here does post this. I have the following with which to consummate this:
Jesus Christ (the one taught in the old basic Bible), yes, he was the Christ, the Messiah, the Lord, and the Savior. People come back to the stone that the builders rejected. HE is everything you need. He will teach you all truths. The Holy Spirit is real and is given to any who earnestly seek to purify their hearts and do God’s will. Humility is the key. But then comes continuous grace, love, self-control, and perseverance. God is not an overnight process but indeed a lifelong journey.
And enough of the Gnostic doctrines. The people who wrote those were not the true Christians that those big bad Catholics persecuted. I’ve read every Gnostic manuscript. Most of the authors were kooks who implemented Greek mythologies and centering their self-authored religions on the rumored Jesus (who was far more than a mere rumor).
In the New Testament, John and Paul both go into perplexing detail warning not so much the recipients of their letters of those devising the Gnostic doctrines (other Jesus Christs) but a caution for THIS generation. Is it not a coincidence that as John described them, “They started with us but were not for us. For if they were for us, they would’ve continued with us…” AND, “Many false teachers have entered the world, which is how we know we’re in the last days…”
The latter mind you; John was not saying his time qualified for the last days. He was speaking through the Holy Spirit for those of the real last days. Ah ha. Just as Peter in Acts referenced Joel’s prophecy regarding the coming and terrible Day of the Lord.
Peter wasn’t saying Joel’s prophecy was fulfilled (“I will pour out my spirit o your sons and daughters…”) NO. He said, “THIS is THAT which Joel was speaking of…” Sadly, many people assume Peter was saying it was the final days then and that Joel was fulfilled. No, he was saying the Holy Spirit was what Joel was talking about, THAT THING. But the day was at least 2,000 years off 🙂
Sorry if this deviates quite a bit from the norm. lol
But seriously people, ask for Jesus Christ to be your Lord. I’m not saying this in bigotry. If you’ve studied so many things and think yourself too intelligent for the simplicity of Jesus Christ, just try it. You will NEVER have to walk in darkness again.
Jesus was not wrong about anything. Nobody sat down at a table and conjured up a method to brainwash the human race. Get rid of all that senselessness. It’s an aspect of the end times, Satan’s conspiratorial weapon. The people who recorded Christ’s authentic teachings were butchered for their testimony. Think what you want about churches. “The churches committed atrocities… look at all the wars…” yeah okay, people do bad things. What do they have to do with Christ?
Are you perfect that you never slander people, steal, lust, lie, and hate? Ah, but a lot of people condemn Christians when they’re hypocritical without realizing their own errors.
Jesus told his disciples his words would never pass away. They never did. He told his disciples that the Jews would be dispersed throughout the world and that many would die in a siege (The Romans laid siege to Jerusalem in 70 AD, killing one million Jews). He said Israel would become a nation again (the fig tree, the fulfilling of the times of the gentiles), which was fulfilled obviously. And he told his disciples the Gospel would/must be published among all the nations.
Then the end comes. The generation that sees this will not pass away until ALL these things be fulfilled (regarding the end).
I don’t know about you, but I don’t think Jesus can be wrong…
“And it shall come to pass that whoever calls upon the name of the Lord in those days shall be saved.”
Personally I’ve known a lot of people in the last few years who were religious and convinced. Now God has no place in their lives. Contrarily, people who wanted nothing to do with God, people you could never fathom coming to the cross and requesting Jesus be their King have done so.
I actually think that we’re fulfilling Joel’s prophecy (the people of this timeline). Many who had a righteous life might fall. Many who seemed impossible for salvation will be standing with the Lord on Mount Zion.
You know? lol. Anyway, God bless all, and I’m serious about Jesus. Try him.