Biblical Holy Spirit vs. Unholy Spirit of Fire
Holy Spirit vs. Filthy Spirit of Fire, the calling down of Fire from heaven over a congregation, or praying Fire over someone is the norm in the church today. It has come to resemble the early heretic Gnostic churches. Religious ecstasy (or Kundalini) was to be found in the mystery religions of the first century A.D. Back when the Corinth church seemed to be a hub of pagan Gnostic knowledge and ran rampant in unscriptural and immoral practices; the Greek mystery religions had prophets who babbled in unknown tongues which were caused by a Kundalini awakening.
Below is a table explaining the differences between The Biblical Holy Spirit compared to The Kundalini unholy spirit that masquerades as the Biblical Holy Spirit. This table is exhaustive and contains everything you need to know:
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Who is the Holy Spirit? |
Who is the Kundalini unholy spirit? |
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How do we receive the Holy Spirit |
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** Through the false ‘Baptism of the unholy Spirit’.** The calling down of Fire (Serpent Fire).
** Being filled with the Unholy Ghost by Fire.
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Are there any happenings that go with the filling of the Holy Spirit? |
Are there any feelings or happenings that go with this filling of the unholy spirit? |
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What does ‘Walking in the Spirit’ mean?. What does being “Filled by the Holy Spirit’ mean? |
What happens when we have opened our Third Eye? (6th Chakra) |
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False Signs and Wonders: |
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This Kundalini spirit is found in all religions across the world just under different names:
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False ‘unholy spirit fire‘ in action masquerading as Holy Spirit:
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Montanism
Montanism was an early Gnostic so called Christian movement of the late 2nd century, later referred to by the name of its founder, Montanus, but originally known by its adherents as the New Prophecy (or ‘The Phyrgian Heresy’) . The heretical movement spread rapidly to other regions in the Roman Empire at a time before Christianity was generally tolerated or legal. It persisted in some isolated places into the 6th century.
It was a prophetic movement that called for a reliance on the spontaneity of the Holy Spirit and spoke extra biblical revelation. Parallels have been made between Montanism and modern day movements such as the charismatic movement, and the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR). [1]
As the name “New Prophecy” implied, Montanism was a movement focused around prophecy, specifically those of the movement’s founders which were believed to contain the Holy Spirit’s revelation for the present age.[2] New Prophecy departed from Church tradition as described by Eusebius of Caesarea [3]: “And he [Montanus] became beside himself, and being suddenly in a sort of frenzy and ecstasy, he raved, and began to babble and utter strange things, prophesying in a manner contrary to the constant custom of the Church handed down by tradition from the beginning.”[4]
The Montanist prophets did not speak as messengers of God but were described as possessed by God while being unable to resist. Montanists believed that the new prophecies superseded and fulfilled the doctrines proclaimed by the Apostles.[5] Thus, they were seen as false prophets because they acted irrationally and were not in control of their senses.[6]
The Roman Catholic unholy spirit of FIRE
The church has gone so far with this unholy fire that it has literally ENGULFED the entire church. You need to be permanently on FIRE for God according to the powers that be (TBN (Trinity Broadcasting Network), God TV, Rodney Howard-Browne, Kenneth Copeland, Angus Buchan, Rick Joyner, Ray McCauley, Cindy Jacobs, Deon Hockey, Kim Clement, Marc Bredenkamp, Leon du Preez, Harold Weitsz, et al.) as they spell out their incantation and throw FIRE, FIRE, and more FIRE in the congregations direction. Those in the congregation who have experienced this religious ecstasy want more, and those who have not experienced it, want to experience it because they believe this is the Holy Spirit as work.
The ‘Heart of God is now on FIRE‘ and everyone is pushed in this direction by the church to get to know ‘God’s heart‘. What they don’t tell you is that this ‘Heart of God’ is the Roman Catholic Sacred Heart of Jesus, and it is also the Immaculate Heart of Mary.
The church as it currently stands is being shoved towards pagan ROME at a rapid speed. But in order for Pentecostals and Charismatics to accept Roman Catholicism they would first have to accept the ‘spirit‘ by which it operates. Rome’s EVANGELIZATION of non-Catholics started decades ago, and their hard labour has paid off. Just as the ancient Egyptians viewed Kundalini as being ‘Ra‘ who is symbolized as the sun because the sun is the source of kundalini energy. So does the Roman Catholic Church who, worships the Sun god Mithra (incarnation of Ra).
Let’s have a look and see that the bible says about “fire called down from heaven” in the New Testament.
Revelation 13:13 “he [antichrist] doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,”
G4442 πῦρ pur (pïr’) n.
fire.
{literally or figuratively}
This fire is spiritual and literal. In the last days, the antichrist, the false Church, and it’s followers call down spiritual FIRE from heaven onto earth – this fire is satanic, it’s captures your soul with fake love and false manifestations that capture your mind. The antichrist will also bring down real fire from heaven in the sight of me to deceive them.
Was fire ever called down from heaven when Jesus walked the earth? Nope, how do we know? Well let’s go to God’s Word…look at this:
During Jesus’ earthly ministry, the disciples James and John wanted to call down fire from heaven in judgment of a Samaritan village that did not welcome the Lord Jesus Christ. What did Jesus Christ say to his disciples?
Luke 9:55- “But He turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.“
As we can clearly see from the bible, this spirit is from Satan, and is NOT the Holy Spirit. Jesus had not come “to condemn the world, but to save the world” (John 3:17)
This ‘fire that is called down from heaven’ is from Satan, another spirit, an unholy spirit – that condemns you.
[Edited 5 Oct 2018: I’ve added this to explain the above in more detail because of this comment: 2018/10/05 at 3:17 pm:
Please note I am not saying that God did not ever use fire to destroy wickedness.
In the verses Luke 9:54-56 Jesus rebukes his disciples for trying to call down fire from heaven, why? Jesus would never rebuke Elijah for what he did in calling down fire to destroy wickedness, if He did He would be rebuking the Father Himself as God rained fire and brimstone down on Sodom and Gomorrah and surrounding towns. One needs to compare OT to NT. Different dispensations.
What do the words “You know not what manner of spirit you are of.” mean? James and John in all their faithful zeal to Jesus Christ thought they were doing a good thing by wanting to destroy the wicked town that rejected Jesus by doing as Elijah did when he called down fire under OT Law. However the Apostles in training as I call them (Peter, James, John) had just recently seen Moses and Elias speaking with Jesus on the Mount of Transfiguration. So James and John, thinking they could copy Elijah, where wrong in their thinking, and were in fact sinning when they wanted to call down fire, because they did not understand and they were under grace and Jesus didn’t operate like that. That is why Jesus rebuked them.
Anyone who wants to call down fire (be it physical fire or spiritual fire to destroy the soul) in this age of grace has a spirit of vengeance and it’s not from God.
This fire is a counterfeit. It’s a fire that leads to the UNITY of all religions, the joining of Protestant and Catholic, a co-reformation – into the false Christian church we have today. ]
2018: Year of the Holy Ghost and Fire by Kenneth Copeland
Please read the full comment where I give a transcript from Kenneth Copeland on what ‘burning the chaff’ means in his dictionary.
Charles Spurgeon
And if you think calling down fire is limited to only Charismatics? Think again. The so called ‘Prince of Preachers’ of Calvinism, Charles Spurgeon himself called down demonic Kunalini fire.
Holy Fire / Divine Fire / Heart of Flame
Holy Fire
Charles Spurgeon: “The church needs fire to quicken her ministers, to give zeal and energy to all her members. Having this fire, she burns her way to success! The world meets her with the fire of firewood, but she confronts the world with the fire of kindling spirits, and of souls aglow with the love of Jesus Christ. She trusts not to the wit, and eloquence, and wisdom of her preachers, but to the divine fire which clothes them with energy! She knows that men are irresistible when they are filled with hallowed enthusiasm sent from God. She trusts therefore in this, and her cry is, “Come, Holy Fire, abide upon our pastors and teachers! Rest upon every one of us!” —The Superlative Excellence of the Holy Spirit #574 https://www.spurgeongems.org/vols10-12/chs574.pdf
Divine Fire
Charles Spurgeon: “Brothers, I beseech you keep to the old gospel, and let your souls be filled with it, and then may you be set on fire with it! When the wick is saturated, let the flame be applied. Fire from Heaven is still the necessity of the age. They call it “go”, and there is nothing which goes like it; for when fire once starts upon a vast prairie or forest, all that is dry and withered must disappear before its terrible advance. May God Himself, who is a consuming fire, ever burn in you as in the bush at Horeb! All other things being equal, that man will do most who has most of the Divine fire.” — How to Meet the Evils of the Age Chapter 4 https://archive.spurgeon.org/misc/aarm04.php
Occult teaching on Holy fire and Divine fire
Theosophy: “In a certain sense, the task before the disciple is the evocation of the “divine fire“, Kundalini, and the infusion of the principle of Will in him by that divine fire; the golden light mingling with the red flame, to produce the colour of the mystic rose. The fiery aspiration of the disciple evokes the higher celestial fire, and the two blend in one, the holy fire which shall thereafter illumine and enkindle that disciple’s heart and life and every act.” –— The Theosophical Quarterly Volumes 17-18 1919 edited by Clement Acton Griscom pg. 226, https://books.google.com/books?id=g3g1AQAAMAAJ
Heart of Flame (see Roman Catholic Heart of Fire above)
Spurgeon: “But we bless God that there are not so many of that sort, now, and we pray that the race may become quite extinct—and that every pulpit may be filled with a man who has a tongue of fire and a heart of flame and who shuns not to declare the whole counsel of God, neither seeking the smiles of men nor dreading their frowns!” — The Dumb Singing #2625 http://www.spurgeongems.org/vols43-45/chs2625.pdf
Occult teaching on Heart of Flame
Universal Brotherhood (Theosophical teachings):”Then One spoke – He of the mighty arm – He of the eye of power. And He inquired (speaking calm and low, and looking round on all the gathered throng) who would willing go into the world of flesh – to waken all the souls that now could hear, and teach to them the meaning high, sublime, of life; show them the Movement – flowing onward like a river vast, with but one source and end; teach them how to enter on that tide, and moving with Love – and for this Fire Divine in thee thou hast been called ‘The Heart of Flame.” — UNIVERSAL BROTHERHOOD, Volume 15, nos. 7-12, pg. 439-440 https://www.scribd.com/document/37146710/Universal-Brotherhood-v15-n7-12
Salvation or Deliverance
If you need salvation and or deliverance from this false unholy spirit or any other demonic spirit, please read this article: Seeking Salvation or Deliverance.
Here is an excellent article that explains the history, characteristics and fruit of the Vatican Second Council New Evangelization initiative: The New Evangelical – Evil fit for a New Dark Age. See this article on the Roman Catholic goddess Mary (incarnation of Isis, etc) : Mary Queen of Heaven – Whore of Babylon
A collage of images taken from the internet showing an explosion of demonic FIRE. Everything now involves this unholy FIRE; from books, music, banners, posters, tattoos, t-shirts and background pictures for your pc.
Notes:
[1] Robeck, Cecil M., Jr. (2010). “Montanism and Present Day ‘Prophets'”. Pneuma: the Journal of the Society for Pentecostal Studies 32: 413.
[2] Tabbernee, Prophets and Gravestones, p. 68.
[3] Tabbernee, Prophets and Gravestones, pp. 12, 37.
[4] Eusebius of Caesarea, Ecclesiastical History Book 5. Chapter 16. paragraph 7.
[5] a b c Chapman, John (1911). “Montanists”. The Catholic Encyclopedia. 10. Robert Appleton Company. Retrieved 27 June 2011.
[6] Epiphanius, Against Heresies, 48.3-4.
The huge problem occured in understanding the message of the gospel is that we as human beings were born in a sinful state and because of this our methods of interpreting God’s will and existence has been contaminated by our own imperfect ability to understand Him. We relate to God through our own imperfection because some of us struggle with pride and do not accept our degenerated state…we must acknowledge our inability to save ourselves…that is why the great omnipotent God who loves us more than we can ever comprehend had to take on man’s form as a simple carpenter of Galilee in order to connect with all humanity. He chose the simplest of vocations…not a high position so that He could get to the lowest of humanity without any accolades so there was no vanity, boast or position of authority to give an uncontamanited and unprejudiced view of our lost state and our selfish and rebelliousness to follow a life that was the original plan of God. When so-called Christians misinterpret the message of the Cross and it’s meaning and victory, it is detrimental to the concept of new life (or born again). To be born again is not complicated…it merely begins with absolute honesty after conviction of the Comforter…the Helper or Holy Spirit. He convicts you…no man can do this. You become honest with your Maker. When pride or self-esteem in any form is involved you have huge problems. The old man must die and the new man must live on the food of God which is a strict diet of the Word of God and it’s total obedience to what’s been written in the bible.
Please Christians who are sincere read the following….feelings, experiences and falsely misinterpreting the Holy Spirit are a result of immature Christians…we need a solid base…a rock…that is sure…needs discipline to follow and is not easy to follow if you still have not died to the old selfish man. We have to get rid of the old man,we cannot do this on our own but we can ask Him to help us…this He will do as He promised us because this type of prayer is always answered when it’s bonafide.
Detecting God’s presence
When trying to measure time or weight or temperature or speed or any of a hundred other things, we make a huge leap forward whenever we stop trusting our feelings or intuition and start relying on instrumentation. For instance, trying to tell the time by using our feelings, such as how hungry or tired we feel, and our senses, such as how light it seems, is crudely inaccurate compared to using an objective measure of a clock. Likewise, guessing from circumstances or whether we feel guilty or happy or peaceful or excited or lucky, is a most unreliable way of gauging spiritual reality.
The more important a matter is, the more critical it is that we stop trusting our feelings or senses and start relying on an objective measure. What if an airline pilot ignored the plane’s instrumentation and decided to fly by his gut feeling? Spiritual matters are literally more important than life and death. All of eternity hinges on them. The stakes are far too high to dare rely on your feelings or circumstances to guess spiritual reality.
Sensations like ‘feeling’ the presence of God are so vague as to be virtually useless as a spiritual gauge. I don’t know if I’ve ever ‘felt’ God. And whether or not I have is of little consequence. To base one’s faith on such feelings would be a disaster for anyone. One’s faith must be in the integrity of God.
Do not rely on your own understanding, warns Scripture (Proverbs 3:5). There is a way that seems right but it leads to death, screams another verse (Proverbs 14:12). You need the precision of God’s Word. Each revelation of Scripture is like a dial in a pilot’s cockpit. Give more credence to your gut feeling than to one of them, and your spiritual life is on the line.
The Bible affirms that a prophet can speak in the name of God and his prophecies be supernaturally accurate and yet if his message does not align with Scripture, it is merely a test that must be utterly rejected (Deuteronomy 13:1-4). If the great apostle Paul, who worked miracles in name of Christ, proclaimed a gospel different to that recorded in Scripture, his words must be rejected. The same, he insisted, applied to a message from an angel (Galatians 1:8). Even the most anti-God force in all creation can appear as an angel of light (2 Corinthians 11:14).
The Deceiver could possibly give you a false spiritual experience, but he cannot change the Bible. ‘Heaven and earth will pass away,’ said Jesus, ‘but my word will never pass away’ (Matthew 24:35).
God can give you feelings
God could instantly give you feelings but in the long run it wouldn’t help. Your faith must be in the bedrock of the Word of God, not the shifting sands of feelings. Emotions fluctuate wildly. God’s word is solid. And the only way anyone can be a solid Christian is to ignore feelings and hold on to that word.
It’s no use thinking, If God gave me some sort of sign or feeling it would strengthen my faith. You would be hoping to put your faith in the memory of the sign or feeling, rather than in the integrity of God. You are indicating that you regard what you see and feel are more dependable than Almighty God.
Handling doubt
It’s been rightly said, ‘Doubt your doubts and believe your beliefs.’
Rather than become over-worried about your doubts, look to what you do believe, and draw strength from God. You will make it, not because of anything within you, but because God is powerful. Forget any deficiency you sense within you, and remember instead the sufficiency of Christ.
When the disciples asked Jesus to increase their faith, he replied, ‘If you have faith as small as a mustard seed . . .’ The implication is that what we need is not so much great faith, as a great God – and you’ve got One! Often our problem is that we wrongly think our faith to be so insignificant that we don’t bother using it. To achieve great things in God, simply use the faith you already have. Take your eyes off the supposed inadequacy in your faith, and fix them on the adequacy of your God. He is all you need.
When handed a million dollar check you can have many doubts and still end up rich. It doesn’t matter how much you suspect the check might bounce. It’s only if you doubt so much that you refuse to try to cash it that you could miss out.
A man came to Jesus saying, ‘Lord, I believe; help my unbelief.’ He got his miracle!
We cannot muster faith by ourselves. Jesus said even about himself, ‘I can of myself do nothing.’ How much more must that be true of us! So continually look to God to strengthen your faith.
That won’t stop the Evil One putting doubts into your mind. He’s been using that ploy ever since Adam and Eve, when he insinuated that God did not have their best interest at heart and that the True God was lying when he warned that eating the forbidden fruit would harm them. The Deceiver even tried putting doubts in Jesus’ mind. God had audibly said, ‘This is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased.’ Then along came Satan. ‘If you are the Son of God . . .’ he began two of his temptations. We must not let such accusations against God wander unchallenged through our minds. Reject the thoughts. Push the slimy intruders out of your mind. Displace them with the truths of God’s word. Hold out against the devil, and he will flee from you (James 4:7). Entertain that old snake’s thoughts no more than you would let a viper repeatedly bite you.
No one has perfect faith. The Bible shows even the greatest people of faith wavering in their faith (startling example). You have faith – maybe not as strong as you would like, but you have it. And Jesus taught that as you use what you have, God will give you more. (Luke 16:10; Matthew 25:21)
If we had to become perfect (whether you define that as having absolute faith, giving up every sin, being absolutely sincere, or whatever) no one could ever be saved. If it were necessary for us to get our act perfectly together in order for us to be saved, it would mean God is so pathetic that he needs our help to save ourselves.
You are not asked to believe you are good or lovable or dependable. You just have to believe that God is good and lovable and dependable. Faith sufficient to receive God’s blessings is fully within your grasp.
So we come back to our million dollars example. (Previous webpage) All that the Deceiver can do is try convincing you that you are just as spiritually poor as you were before you asked forgiveness through Jesus. He’ll try putting thoughts and doubts into your mind to get you to throw away as worthless, God’s ‘million dollar check.’ He’ll try to say that God is not true to his word – that although the unchanging Lord promised spiritual riches to all who come to him through the sacrificial death of Jesus, it’s a lie. The Evil One might be more subtle and try to persuade you that you are not calling God a liar, you simply think you are not good enough. But this is just his trickery because God guarantees that whoever (no exceptions) asks forgiveness through Jesus will be forgiven and inherit all of God’s riches. (John 3:16; 1 Timothy 1:15-16; Romans 5:10; 8:32; 1 John 4:10 etc) Either that includes you, or God is a liar.
Easier for some?
Some people have a bigger struggle in receiving assurance of God’s favor upon them and yet these are the very people who usually end up receiving a bigger than normal blessing. I guess you have heard of John Bunyan, who wrote Pilgrim’s Progress, one of the most published books of all time. John Bunyan’s spiritual torment was horrific. For years this poor man lived in inconsolable agony, convinced he was going to hell and he could find no way out of his spiritual dilemma. With a severity that few of us could even conceive, year after year he was repeatedly overwhelmed by sin, hopelessness and the seemingly certain prospect of an eternity in Hell. Not only did he finally get all he had been yearning for, it was largely this experience that formed the book that has touched and brought spiritual help to multiplied millions. No wonder Pilgrim’s Progress is such an outstandingly powerful book, impacting people over the centuries and around the world in a phenomenal way. Much of it was virtually autobiographical.
Great men like George Whitefield and John and Charles Wesley also suffered enormously in their struggle to find salvation. Whitefield’s spiritual need was so all-consuming that his fastings almost killed him. John and Charles were inconsolable until at long last they found salvation. Spurgeon suffered so greatly in his quest for salvation that he wrote, ‘I had rather pass through seven years of the most languishing sickness, than I would ever again pass through the terrible discovery of the evil of sin.’ Not surprisingly, their subsequent ministries eclipsed that of almost all Christians who have been spared such anguish of soul.
So I believe the greater your present struggle, the more likely it is that you are headed for an exceptional spiritual adventure.
The positive side of doubt
A woman who was plagued with doubts e-mailed my ministry partner. Helen Hall’s reply was so good that I must share it with you:
When we are hit hard by life’s negative experiences – death, divorce, unemployment, rebellious children – we can all find ourselves questioning God’s existence, or mercy, or love, or ability or willingness to help.
But you are approaching this in the right way – by bringing your doubts out into the open.
Babies don’t ask questions. They just accept everything around them quite happily, unless they are uncomfortable. But 4 year olds are totally different! They ask endless questions. How? When? Where? Why? Who? They have become more mentally aware of the world around them, and they are trying to make sense of it all, and understand how it all fits together.
If they ask “Why did you do that, Mommy?” it isn’t that they are doubting their mother’s love or wisdom. They are just trying to understand how her actions fit into the general scheme of things. They are on a steep learning curve.
And, spiritually, you are on a steep learning curve.
So were the disciples.
Christ said to them at the Last Supper (John 16:12) “I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now.”
It is possible that these doubts that arise in you from time to time are an indication that the Holy Spirit knows you are now ready to grow a little more.
Currently you are experiencing ‘growing pains,’ but your faith will be all the stronger for it!
Yesterday I was reading Matthew 9:18-26:
(18) While He spoke these things to them, behold, a ruler came and worshiped Him, saying, “My daughter has just died, but come and lay Your hand on her and she will live.” (19) So Jesus arose and followed him, and so did His disciples. . . . (23) When Jesus came into the ruler’s house, and saw the flute players and the noisy crowd wailing, (24) He said to them, “Make room, for the girl is not dead, but sleeping.” And they ridiculed Him. (25) But when the crowd was put outside, He went in and took her by the hand, and the girl arose. (26) And the report of this went out into all that land.” My attention was particularly caught by “the noisy crowd wailing, . . . And they ridiculed Him. But when the crowd was put outside, He went in and took her by the hand, and the girl arose.” (NKJV)
The crowd were right! They had to be right. They were official mourners. They could recognize death when they saw it! The girl was definitely beyond help. And so they ridiculed Christ’s words.
They were never more wrong! This was certainly a case where “seeing is believing” didn’t work!
And then I looked at, “But when the crowd was put outside.” What an odd way to put it! Why “was put outside,” not “had gone outside”? I examined the Greek word for “put outside.” It means to eject, cast out, expel! The Bible uses this same word when it talks about Jesus casting out evil spirits!
So I now see my doubts as being like that noisy, clamorous crowd, who, trusting in the evidence of their own eyes, were so sure they were right – and were so seriously wrong!
And now I grab my doubts by the scruff of the neck and throw them out.
Should you believe your senses?
* A scientist says earth hurls through space at great speed; to you it seems motionless.
* A doctor says a mark on your body is cancer; to you it feels harmless.
* An electrician says a wire is dangerously live; to you it looks dead.
* A mechanic says your car needs oil immediately; you don’t think it’s necessary.
* A soldier says an area is sown with land-mines; you can’t see any.
Who should you believe: your senses, or the expert?
* Jesus says ‘if anyone loves me . . . my Father will love him and we will make our home with him’ (John 14:23); you feel empty.
* God says how often I would have gathered your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings (Matthew 23:37); you feel God is unfeeling.
* God says nothing can separate you from the love of God (Romans 8:35-39); you feel something going wrong proves God no longer loves you.
* God says rejoice in the Lord always (Philippians 4:4); you feel there’s nothing to rejoice in.
* God says be not surprised at the painful trial you are suffering (1 Peter 4:12), we must go through many hardships to enter the kingdom (Acts 14:22); you feel surprised.
* God says, he was bruised and wounded for you (Isaiah 53:5); you wonder if he loves you.
* God says your sins will be wiped out (Acts 3:9) and he will remember them no more (Isaiah 43:25; Hebrews 8:12); you feel he is holding the past against you. (More such statements)
Who do you believe: your senses, or the Expert?
Climax
If your spiritual enemy knows you will be thrown by what happens to you, he can twist you around his little finger just by giving you a hard time. You are inviting him to attack because he knows it will keep you from trusting the Lord, who alone can defeat Satan.
For as long as you look to feelings and circumstances to verify spiritual truth, you will be a weak Christian. But you can be a powerful spiritual conqueror by stubbornly clinging to the fact that the God who cannot lie is steadfastly devoted to you. Refuse to entertain any other thought. By having that resolve you have defeated the devil. He knows it doesn’t matter what he hits you with, you will cling to God, your strength, so he has less incentive to bother.
Faith – believing in the integrity of God despite what things seem – is the basis of the entire Christian life.
Some people’s ‘greater’ faith might only be an illusion produced by them having had an easier life than mine. Nevertheless, I am sick of being immobilized by excuses. I don’t care how impossible things look, how many failures I have experienced, how spiritually dead I feel, how much the Lord appears to overlook me: God is still the God of the Bible. His Word affirms he is my God and he loves me, regardless of how abandoned, unloved and insignificant my wild imagination paints me as being. That makes spiritual success inevitable. All I need do is stop wallowing in doubt long enough to receive my rightful inheritance.
So often God seems to deliberately overlook me. So often the Bible seems as dry as dust. So often I feel as if I have nothing to live for. My emotional pain seems endless. God constantly seems to favor others over me. But nothing – nothing – can change the constancy of the incomprehensible enormity of God’s love. Nothing can made God break his word.
Suppose it were rumored that your marriage partner is being unfaithful. There are three things you need to know for peace of mind. Does your partner insist he or she loves you faithfully? Is your partner honest? Does he or she know what genuine love is? Once you are certain of these three things, you can dismiss all evidence to the contrary and believe in your partner’s love. God in his Word has declared his undying love for you. He’s put it in black and white for the whole world to see. Is God honest? Does he know what real love is? Then you can put aside any suggestions to the contrary and rest in his love.
If salvation were by works we might have to hobble 100 miles on our knees, or some such thing, as certain misguided Indians do. To go even one mile on our knees, we would have to resist the pain and slog on with sheer determination, step after step after excruciating step. But since salvation is by faith, we should prayerfully look to Jesus and pour that degree of grit into ignoring agonizing doubts and press on relentlessly, month after month, year after year in sheer faith that God keeps his word. We long for some sort of sign or confirmation that God keeps his word. In his grace the Lord might one day give us confirmation in addition to his promise, but to refuse to believe without it is the height of impertinence because it means we think God could lie. Anyone with such a low view of God has no right to expect anything from God.
We march forward not by signs or warm fuzzies but by faith; stubbornly holding on to scriptural truth even when everything within us screams against it. That’s the path to spiritual honor.
Sorry correction…and do NOT accept our degenerated state
[Edited by DTW: Fixed the typo in your comment]
Heya Michael!
You are back! Glad to see you :O)
Hi, I’m 16 years old.
Baptism of Holy Spirit doesn’t happen when we accept Jesus. Read Book of Acts carefully. Tongues is from the Holy Spirit. Read 1 Cor 14. You can even sing in tongues to God, and I feel it’s heavenly and praising God. I know someone who spoke in tongues the moment she accepted Jesus. A great sphere of fire fell down and bounced between two walls, and it came into her belly, and she started speaking in tongues. ((( DUNAMIS – DYNAMITE )) God IS SPIRIT. He shows his power through Fire falling down etc. That woman was New Ager before she came to Jesus. Btw, only she could see the Sphere of Fire. Sometimes God makes us see with Our Spiritual Eyes. We have Spiritual eyes too.
(2 Kings 6:17) And Elisha prayed, and said, LORD, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the LORD opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha.
“But you shall receive power (“dunamis”) – ability, efficiency and might – when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be My witnesses in Jerusalem and all Judea and Samaria and to the ends – the very bounds – of the earth” (Acts 1:8, AMP.).
“Now to Him Who is able to do immeasurably more than all we can ask or conceive, by the power (“dunamis”) which is at work among us . . .” (Ephesians 3:20, NEB).
Holy Spirit is Fire too, because the bible tells us to NOT (( QUENCH )) THE HOLY SPIRIT. He sets us on Fire, he makes us Zealous for God. Fire – Zealous. On fire for God. Fire is purifying. Fire is Purging. Fire is powerful.
The fire is Holy. God is a consuming fire. The Holy Ghost fire purifies us! He burns up all slag. At Pentecost fire fell down at them and they spoke in tongues. The Fire is of God. But Satan wants to pervert works of God, so don’t mix them together. You can read it in Acts 2.
At Heidi Baker’s ministry, there’s a picture of Fire falling down at people. Based on Acts 2. She have served 300 ppl with food from one pot, so God is using her and that is God working, thus the Fire is from God.
(Malachi 3:3) And he shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver: and he shall purify the sons of Levi, and purge them as gold and silver, that they may offer unto the LORD an offering in righteousness.
Feelings of Living water/energy or electricity in the body is from God, because it’s the anointing. The Holy Spirit can hug us, he’s a person. I’ve heard of people who have been hugged by Jesus, and it felt like electricity. The Holy Spirit Power is Dunamis (Dynamite). He’s rivers of living water. There’s huge power in Rivers of living water. He can definetly come with such sensations. Giving life to dry bones.. Fire in those bones. Ezekiel… The Holy Spirit can fill us up (this is biblical) and make our cups run over. He gives us Oil of Joy (Heb 1:9 and Psalm 23). That’s why we can get sensations like electricity and energy.
“…washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;” -Titus 3:5.
(Job 8:21) Till he fill thy mouth with laughing, and thy lips with rejoicing.
(Romans 14:17) For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
Greek – Source of Joy ….Laughing is Source of Joy.
I smell the Holy Spirit as New Wine lately, and it’s likened to him filling me up (vessel). It’s from God because I rejoice in God and praise him, and feel liberty. Worshipping him in Spirit & truth like I prayed. I was only focusing on God. The Holy Spirit fixes our eyes on God. God makes me laugh in joy sometimes, but not laughing as in laying on the floor laughing uncontrollably. God makes me laugh in joy, rejoicing like normal laughing. I had been very SAD/depressed Before, and DRY spiritually. I felt purity. I weep sometimes for no reason. It’s because fruit of the Holy Spirit is humility maybe. Sometimes we weep for our Sins uncontrollably. I’ve done that. It’s good to be crying out to God sometimes. Crying can come from God. “…but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.” – Rom 8:15.
My mum got a call once from someone whose infant was dying. She got great distress and just cried uncontrollably and prayed to God. Then they called and the infant was healed.
Johanthan
You have just described the unholy spirit by twisting biblical scripture to suit your purposes.
Please read: Speaking in Tongues has CEASED and
Please read: Are Prophets for Today or has Prophecy Ceased? and
Please read: Yes, a Future Kingdom, but Not a Kingdom Now
Jonathan, so sorry someone so young like yourself has been drawn into this deception.
You are wrapped up in the signs and wonders and not looking at what is behind them. Those signs and wonders preachers/teachers do not preach the truth of God’s Word. You probably won’t listen now, but hopefully at some point you will see through all these wiles of the enemy for what they are – lies.
Jonathan
Paul also warns that even the devil is coming with great “dunamis” – to deceive…
Hi There!
I think young people should we warned about these two organizations (see bottom),run by the same man. I was a student and member there for a few years and when I walked out of there, I realized that I was scarred for life. It’s been about 12 years now, and only now am I starting to pick up the pieces of my life. Thanks to the content and the beautiful people that are involved here at discerningtheworld, I have found hope and the maps needed for restoration. I would like to post this anonymously because I still have friends involved there.
Thank you for the opportunity.
Dear Anon
I pray that because you are SEEKING the truth (that is Jesus Christ and His Word) through the guidance of the Holy Spirit, your eyes will be opened wide and the more you obey the Holy Spirit the more He leads you into ALL truth and remembrance of who Jesus Christ IS, and you become filled with joy as you recognize the Holy Spirit in your life. I pray that you find peace over what has happened to you, but realize that it was for a reason that it happened that way. For you to learn what’s REALLY going on out there and now you know the difference between false Christianity and what Genuine Christianity is all about. You will put this experience you have had to good use one day soon when you need to witness to someone and preach the true Gospel of Jesus Christ.
Thank you for you kind words about this website, you nearly brought tears to my eyes. I always say, “This is Jesus’ website, I just do what He tells me to” 🙂
Regarding those websites, they are New Apostolic Reformation through and through. I might even do an article on them seeing that they are so wide spread across the world even! I just wanna get some other articles out the way and then I will see what I can do about Our Fathers Home/ Creare Training Centre.
Anon, I had never heard of the organizations you referred to. What a subtle deception! They say all the right things, “Great Commission”, “The Way, Truth & Life”, on and on. They seem to me to be a blend between emergent thought and dominionism with the prophetic garbage thrown in.
I stressed on another thread the importance of discipling new converts and the appalling lack of it. But if one thinks about it, the state of apostasy of the Church today is like the blind leading the blind.
Thank the Lord He brought you out of these lies and it shows the value of the ministry the Lord has entrusted to Deborah.
Awesome! Thank you Deborah. Looking forward to those articles.
Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 1 Corinthians 3:16
In that day the deaf will hear the words of the scroll, and out of gloom and darkness the eyes of the blind will see. Isaiah 29:18
John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire: Luke 3:16
Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened, And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased. Luke 3:21-22
You have Merely BlackListed YourSelf Dear One… The Kundalini and the Holy Spirit are the Same thing but Your Dualistic Mind of Satan has Blocked you from the Truth Yet again… Well Its not like I Didn’t Tell You…. Tarry On Then
YOUR Conscience (not mine)
Thanks for proving my point.
This is a beautiful site you have here. It is the middle of the night and I must stop reading, but have enjoyed my visit here!I have bookmarked you, and plan to return to read everything else. Thank you so much. Denise
I’ve had all the “holy laughter” stuff myself. At first I thought it was from God. But I’m glad God’s Spirit kept pointing me back to His Word [John 16:13 & 17:17]. So, knowing the infalibility of God’s Word, I realized that my experiences were not from God.
This spirit of fire stuff doesn’t tie up with Scripture so it’s not from God.
I saw a televised Benny Hinn show–for show it was–where he was shouting “Fire!” at people and they were flying backwards.
Of course this was from God because it’s often there in the Bible wjhen the prophets and apostles did this kind of thing!
Okay, sarcasm’s maybe not the best kind of thing for a Christian to indulge in. I have to admit though, that I find it difficult not to be sarcastic when I come over characters like Hinn. If I wasn’t sarcastic with those folk, I hate to think what I could say about them.
Thanks for another great expose, Deborah.
I am amazed at this article. I am in total agreement how do you know the false prophets from the false ones?( on the Kim Clement site). I have had my sincere doubts about strange fire being in a church I have attended. I do not want to be fooled by the enemy. Because the ministers of satan probably do not even know they are ministers of satan. People who are are deceivers and who deceive, and even possible the elect, do not know they are deceivers. I pray quite frquently not to become one of these. Now I do not want to be fooled by one either. But in modern day Babylon we have this “You are judging them” That is not love, just pray for them”, and much more like that. So, what do you do today. the bible says to lead a quite life. That is exactly what I want to do. But I also want to love God with all I am and love other people. People think this is all you must do. God help us all who love Jesus christ and have been called by His Name, to walk as He did. Help us oh Father to be bold and courageous full of love and mercy but know when we have to shake the dust off of our feet. Help us not to compromise or be presumptuous Lord Jesus. help us to be alert, and be vigilant, be sober minded. Remove all that is false and help us to live in the truth and walk and abide in the true vine… Thank you my beloved Lord and Savior..Amein…
Cat, this is the prayer of all sincere lovers of truth and sound doctrine. It is getting more and more difficult to stand for truth as so many have succumbed to the dark side. Satan rarely shows his true dark side and appears as an “angel of light” – presenting a message mixing truth and error to deceive the unwary. You are right, we must be vigilant and we must sound the warning to anyone who will listen. We are to mark and avoid false teachers which equates to saking off the dust and moving on if they refuse to listen.
I was going to Calvary Chapel. About a year ago one Sunday the pastor said to be there Wed night to get a baptism of the holy spirit and experince increased power in your life. At first I thought, “oh yeah! I want that!” I couldn’t make it but I got the CD of the service. The CD sat in my car for all this time. (I stopped going to this church about 6 months ago after realizing they are ecumenical and supportive of contemplative methods – I had a very interesting e-mail exchange with the pastor expressing my concerns and after he explained his beliefs I never went back.) And then recently I saw on a new age website how the kundalini awakening is the same as the ‘western belief of the baptism of the holy spirit’ and I remembered the CD in my car. I am so glad that I did not go to that Wed night service. On the CD, the pastor said that every Christian should strive for a baptism of the holy spirit – after he admitted that this is a very controversial subject. He explained that you may experience something right away or later and that it can be very intense, empowering, life changing! I thought of Matthew where Jesus said that an evil and adulterus generation looks for a sign. That seems to be what it’s all about any more.
I believe we receive the Holy Spirit as soon as we accept Jesus as our savior. It’s up to us to be filled with the Holy Spirit. As we increase our walk with Jesus and read the Bible and pray and surrender, yield, to Him, the Holy Spirits guides us, comforts us, teaches us. If you don’t pray or read the Bible, I don’t think the Holy Spirit will be that active in your life. The discernment and strength of the Holy Spirit will not be there. We are not called to ask for a baptism of the Holy Spirit. I believe this is just another experienced based, signs and wonders deception that is going on the church. Right up there with contemplative prayer, breath prayers, lectio devina, etc.
I read up on the new age/new thought/human potential movement as many of my friends are into this. I remember reading Shirley McLain’s Out on a Limb in the 80s, thinking that someday this stuff is going to be big – and I see now today it is. It’s incredible to see new age, pagan, occult practices not only widely accepted in our culture in movies, books, games, TV shows, but also accepted in church. I never thought I’d see the day.
A friend of mine described a channeling session to meet her guardian angel where she saw bright flashes of light. I told her that is from demons. She said nothing bad comes from light! I told her that the Bible says that Satan presents himself as an angel of light. She told me that I am in fear!
It was so surreal to be told in person the things that I had researched in books and online.
And now we have evagelical leaders telling us that we must strive for baptism of the holy spirit, that we must learn spiritual formation (Frank Pastore show on KKLA a couple weeks ago). The spirit of the anti-christ is alive and well in our world.
Thank you for a great website.
Kundalini False Unholy Spirit of Fire is not the Biblical Holy Spirit. This unbiblical spirit came from unknown religions, we don`t know. The True Holy Spirit we have in the Holy Bible, is Jesus`s Divine nature. Christ in his Spirit form does not deceive people like Satan does. Kundalini is Satan masquerading as the False Holy Spirit, we must avoid the deceiving angel of light or we`ll be tricked again with untrue lies. The true Holy Spirit is very biblical, is the Spirit of holiness of God through Christ but Kundalini is not from God, remember to test all spirits if they`re of God or not. First, Kundalini False Unholy Spirit of Fire came from Choo Thomas`s Heaven is So Real, 2nd Kundalini then came from Mary K. Baxter`s Revelation of Hell and 3rd Kundalini also came from Don Piper`s 90 minutes of Heaven. Christians beware of Kundalini, do not be deceived by Satan. May God bless all true christians with the true Holy Spirit of the Holy Bible.
amanda
Thanks for your comment.
>> First, Kundalini False Unholy Spirit of Fire came from Choo Thomas`s Heaven is So Real, 2nd Kundalini then came from Mary K. Baxter`s Revelation of Hell and 3rd Kundalini also came from Don Piper`s 90 minutes of Heaven.
Actually Kundilini came from Kathryn Kuhlman (not sure where she got it from), passed onto Benny Hinn, passed onto Rodney Howard-Browne et al and then passed onto the Azuza revival and Toronto Blessing, Holy Trinity Brompton in the UK, Pensacola Revival, and then the Lakeland revival was the latest mass transferrer of kundilini to people, even thousands across the internet… Choo Thomas most definitely displayed Kundilini as I show in my article: Choo Thomas’ “Heaven is so Real”
Does no one here seem to realize that the Word Kundalini is simply a Word to represent the same thing as the Holy Spirit just from another cultures view of it? How can people not see this, I’m sorry but I’m reading alot of responses and there is so much fear and unawareness of Truth amogst alot of people here… Please try and search within yourselves with The Bible KJV the Word in your hands and find the Truth. Somewhere alot of you are missing it and I really feel for you and hope and pray The Holy Spirit (The Christ WIthin) will show you what you don’t see.
What do you think this means? Its plain as day, can’t you see it:
I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with Fire: Matthew 3:11
Then Peter, turning about, seeth the disciple whom Jesus loved following; which also leaned on his breast at supper, and said, Lord, which is he that betrayeth thee? Peter seeing him saith to Jesus, Lord, and what shall this man do? Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me. John 21:20-22
For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence. Acts 1:5
Can you not see that the Third Eye is the Blind Ear…Please People think about it, its so simple yet it seems to evade you. What will it take…
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation;but is passed from death unto life. John 5:24
How long will you continue to deny me? Youe Salvation is at stake here…Please Wake Up
For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also. The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light. But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness! No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and Mammon. Matthew 6:21-24
In Great Hopes that Someone can See Clearly
Love to You All
The Sacred Heart
Your Conscience (Not mine, but YOUR Conscience)
I am allowing your comment because I have never seen an occultist quote the bible quite like you have. Totally out of context.
I can see that the Third Eye is the Blind ear all right.
John 9:39-41
39 And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.
40 And some of the Pharisees which were with him heard these words, and said unto him, Are we blind also?
41 Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.
You do not understand the verses of Matthew that you quoted. I have included verses 19 and 20 to understand it in CONTEXT.
Matthew 6:19-21
19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: Prov 23:4; Heb 13:5; Jas 5:1;
20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal: Luke 12:33; 1Tim 6:19;
21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light. Luke 11:34;
23 But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!
24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon. Luke 16:13;
A person who is genuinely guided by the ‘REAL’ Holy Spirit (not the false holy spirit) knows about our ETERNAL kingdom to come and will not hold onto earthly possessions. Wealth will leave everyone sooner rather than later and leave everyone wordly poor. But Christians who lay up Eternal HEAVENLY treasure with Jesus Christ are counted as the poor in this world, will in the end be rich, when life ends here.
People are so inclined that their hearts will be set on that place where they their riches are laid up. Worldly sinners lay their riches on earth, Christians lay their riches in Heaven. The wordly person will gather everything here on earth and when they die and be poor for eternity.
We need to set a single eye for the glory of God, an eye that will discern His will and obey His commandments as we walk with His Holy Spirit (genuine one, not the false holy spirit). If people turn AWAY to other paths of self, they will go into willful darkness and lose their way. Therefore we must make a choice between serving God or MAMMON (riches).
You can’t serve both
Now I have given you BIBLICAL explanation of what those verses mean and do you notice that, the treasure you speak of NOT the interpretation you give, and the ‘single eye’ mentioned in Matthew is NOT the All Seeing Eye of occultism.
You think you know the truth, you do not. You believe a lie, fables! You take the bible and try twist it to suite your occult ideas – well it won’t work. GENUINE Christians are not stupid, we understand your false New Age occultism all to well and will not be fooled by satanic lies.
2 Tim 4:3-4
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
I’m sorry to show my ignorance like this.
Third eye, blind ear? What is that about?
Also, Your Conscience wrote:
Does this imply that you view all gods equal – that other cultures’ gods and Christ are the same? Or am I misunderstanding this completely?
Debs,
I have to say I like the new format! Very nice : )
I also have to say that after reading the comment by YOUR CONSCIENCE, I sat here with my mouth open, if I had to say something…I was speechless!! It is incredibly sad how satan can fool people..I actually feel quite sick now…you are right, everything he/she said reeks of occult.
Myfanwy
Thanks, I am still gonna do a bit more with the Keywords on the side to make it a bit easier to read.
Yes the comment by Your Conscience is truly something, isn’t it. And to think they have the audacity to use the bible (nogal the KJV version) LOL to try and backup their occult teaching. *shakes head*
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now i just check this website and im very confused of everything im still searching for the right answer thats why im undergone searching in different explaination…Actually im a baby CHRISTIAN as a believer…my parents is not a believer nothing at all when im here working abroad i meet JESUS, i started to come this church every sunday,,before i end up one year attending of this ministry i baptised in water in unexpected i just decide on that moment that there is special baptism happen…then after 2 months and 21 days i baptised in SPIRIT in unexpected when im about going to sleep in the mid night and im praying then suddenly i filled up with spirit talking another language alone singing.laughing,,and worshiping GOD..although i already had idea in the church regarding filled up of spirit coz they are coverd up of hOLY spirit inside the church and you can fill it..i ask in the pastor and he said i filled up SPIRIT of fire.but i couldnt understand exactly…Although when i baptised in holy spirit my spiritual view change,,i couldnt stop talking about GOD,,and i always had answered prayer’s..and i always had the visions regarding church before the word of GOD will gonna be deleivered in the church it already revealed from by the holy spirit i already know what is it..yes..im still confused coz before imeet JESUS i’ve done many things and practising under evil schemes visions of peoples life..filled up demon to possed ive done all of that…
But only thing i know right now GOD change my whole spirit and body coz i couldnt stop praying and worshiping him all the time and evangelising some of my unbeliever friend giving advice by GOD’d grace…how power full he is by only one year listening his world i already complete as a CHRISTIAN…
jeremae
Please read this article: Speaking in Tongues has CEASED
I am sorry to tell you but there is a false version of Christianity out there and it manifests itself in speaking in unknown gibberish called tongues, visions, and other strange things. Yes you appear to be worshiping God all the time, but that’s the catch of this false doctrine, it appears to look like genuine Christianity, but it is not. Genuine Christianity does not behave like this.