Chuck Missler and Roger Oakland Exposed

Peter says:

Tom, here I am. What gauntlet do I have to run?

Alex M says:

If I may, I clearly see the difference in the account of pharisee vs spurgeon (sturgeon or whatever, since I don’t care and simply read your comments for fun). In my opinion, which happens to differ with your opinion but mine is superior to me than yours, is that the difference is “heart”, I simply can’t understand how none of you can spot it in the texts; pharisee is boastful and prideful speaking from the position of supremacy in his eyes, while Sturgeon spoke from the position of grace and True gratefulness to God. Pretty simple. Just because one has a biased opinion about someone, it doesn’t mean that that opinon must be shared by everyone else (especially in your case when your opinion is obviously wrong). 🙂 Go on.:) P.S.: Lots of hate on this website and comments, almost no positive or constructive or Christian-like information. Guess you guys skipped Jesus’ interpretation of the most important commandment (you know, the one more important than any other ones). Peace, seriously feel bad for you, must be miserable to live like that.

David Petros says:

I came across this main article while looking up some detail on Roger Oakland.
I then tried to verify your criticism of him. But I can’t find a link today (2016/10/01) that proves he has ties to KH Europe. Aso far as I can see her always was and he is still against ecumenism.
Maybe you need to edit your main article?
BTW: thanks for the elucidation on Charles Spurgeon. After reading his diatribe on the gospel of grace I think he was ignorant of who/what Calvin did. As well as the false Theology and Christology contained in his Calvanist doctrines…
Finding out he is “off” I am not inclined to read more of what he said…

May I Not Clang says:

William Saunders wrote:

http://ephesians511blog.blogspot.com/2012/01/fear-of-chuck-missler.html

Dear William,

Is there any way that the material you posted that day regarding the fear of Chuck Missler can be accessed?

T. I. Miller says:

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Milan says:

Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:

Dear Pastor Milan
You said “What about praying more for these well known representatives of Christianity”
I have prayed for Roger Oakland, and I pray to this day he cuts ties with Chuck Missler and also Ron Matesen. Has he cut ties? If anyone can inform me that would be fantastic. I will then remove this article.
Last time Roger was with Chuck was at:
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Ministry at the River Lodge: Update on New Zealand – Dr. Chuck …
http://www.khouse.org › Special Article
Contact Ron Matsen for more information at ron@khouse.org. Also in the planning stages are RV and camping sites to supplement all the … International visitors: Roger Oakland was here 1-13 August 2013 and others have yet to be confirmed. We are encouraging other celebrity visits to “discover New Zealand,” to heal …
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Now, are you saying that Chuck Missler is a suitable Christian representative for Jesus Christ and His church?

Hi Deborah,
while these men – (I am familiar with Chuck Missler and Roger Oakland, not with all the others), may not be ideal Christian leaders, I’d be willing to drop them whenever you show me a perfect leader. Do you have a perfect Christian leader? Or is it just someone you prefer because he believes and does things like you do?
I don’t follow them as closely as you do. There are some things they say or do which I may not agree with, but I still benefited from their teaching and sources of information. Nobody is perfect. This is where grace comes in :-).
It seems to me that you set up the standard so high that you can hardly reference anyone who would live up to it. The Scripture does of course present us with the ideal goal to strive for – but should people cut ties with you just because you for example invite a Catholic friend to the Bible-study? Or just because your friend is a Catholic? Can you disagree with someone in love without shooting them dead?
While I am being alert not to take blindly anything which leaders like Chuck Missler say, he also has a lot of good things to say. Even recently. In his recent 2017 You Tube videos he seemed to be right on! I am myself strongly anti-ecumenical, pre-trib (the others in reality are not waiting for the Lord, but for the revelation of the antichrist, which would preceed “their rapture.”) I hate compromise, etc., – but I am also a realist. So I have friends who are Catholics or “crazy Charismatics” or “cold Calvinists.” That is about relationships, not about ecumenism, which I freely discuss with them.
Unless you deal with outright heretics, like Catholics or Emergent Church leaders for example, don’t you think it might be better to spend less time searching for what these men do wrong and learn from what they do right?
It is easy to criticize someone. But can you youself offer something better than what they do? Can you imagine the pressures they face? Everything comes at a price. Their ministry, since it is so well known, comes at a price of occassional compromise. Otherwise you would never hear about them. Have you never learned anything good from them? I am not trying to justify if they would commit a serious sin or mislead multitudes, but it seems to me that you perhaps see things too much “black and white” and passed from the role of the “fruit inspector” (Mt 7) to the role of the “judge.”
Let’s keep these verses in mind: Let him who has no sin cast the first stone…. Love will cover a multitude of sins…
I may not have time to come back to this site any time soon, too much to do, so may the Lord bless you and lead you in what you do, and may you do it according to His will.

Pastor Milan from Czech Republic

Milan says:

To Tom:
Well, Tom, since you won’t heed a good advice, let me get to the point. Don’t you have nothing better to do than slandering people?
While you keep sin sniffing on others, make sure you don’t overlook your own sin, which I am sure would include spiritual pride and contentious personality.
I’ve known Chuck Missler for a long time and while I might have missed something, I have never heard him preach a false Gospel, which you seem to accuse him of. That is a serious accusation and if you’re wrong, don’t forget that God will deal with you accordingly.

You make the mistake by making wrong assumptions. For example, I never said I had lots of friends of different faiths. I just have some. And you asumed that I do not share the Gospel and Scriptural perspective with them. Wrong asumption! Can you actually imagine that some people can patiently discuss with the Catholic the pitfalls of Catholicism – and you love them enough to continue to be their friend DESPITE THE DIFFERENCES and they RESPECT you enough for that and continue to be your friend? But it is hard to respect people like you, who lack the mercy, are just busy with sin sniffing and NEEDLESSLY offend people. You confuse friendships with John’s warning (you quoted) – not to receive false travelling teachers. Where is your discernment?

Your own experience with loosing friends does not mean that everyone else is like a stubborn elephant in a china store when they discuss the theological differences with their friends. Yes, it is difficult, so it is easier for you just to make them mad and blow them off. And they continue on their way to hell, because you were too lazy to maintain a relationship with someone who believes differently. Ironically, you seem to lack the discerment to see the difference between the wolf in sheep clothing and a friend, who has been indoctrinated into a different faith, for whom you need to pray and continue to witness to. Didn’t Jesus also say, “Love your enemies?” I did not see much love in your post…

You may proud yourself that you have the “discernment ministry” while you seem to forget that every Christian who walks with the Lord gets the discernment directly from the Holy Spirit, not from you. So your site is really not needed. While I might appreciate some information someone else researched, you guys are going too far. Just because I am not so quick to condemn Chuck Missler, you are ready to throw me into the bag with the real heretics? Is Chuck Missler as bad as pope to you? Seems you can’t tell the difference.
You are hiding your obsession with sin sniffing behind the Scripture, while you conveniently overlook verses like this:
Mark 11:26: But if you do not forgive, neither will your Father in heaven forgive your trespasses.” And you laugh off verses, which do not fit your style. That is pretty foolish.
So, beware and consider that your “good intentions” void of wisdom and grace may actually warrant God’s wrath upon you for needlessly dividing the body of Christ and confusing immature believers. You can write whatever you want on your site – and believe your own imaginations, but you won’t fool God. Think about it.

All you seem to be concerned with is winning the argument and not really caring about what people are trying to say to you. That’s selfish. Nevertheless, I will not get drawn into contentious arguments – these are not honest debates. Accuse me of whatever you will, I am done here. Let God be my defense and of all those you slander. BTV, My point has nothing to do with misinterpreting Mt 7:1 (as Robbie talked about), but with rebuking an erring “discernement minister.”
Now, will you censor this or will you post it and yield to this well deserved rebuke?

Pastor Milan