Chuck Missler and Roger Oakland Exposed

Burning Lamp says:

It seems that Roger Oakland has withdrawn from the Red River Bible Prophecy Conference scheduled for March 2012. This is the conference where Chuck Missler is speaking. It is interesting that Ray Yungen is still on the roster – David Hocking has withdrawn as well.

Does anyone care to make any observations about this? One can hope that it is an indication of a move in the right direction.

William Saunders says:

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Burning Lamp says:

Shouldn’t we maybe take a “wait and see” approach to this latest development? It is a step in the right direction. Time will tell if it is a significant move and will be followed by other disconnections.

Should we not be patient and wait upon the Lord? And pray. If it turns out to be a ploy, then so be it, but we don’t know what is going on in Roger’s heart, do we? Only God knows that.

Just because Roger has not come out with guns blazing against Missler does not necessarily mean he is still 100% in his camp. It may have taken a lot of courage to step down from this conference. We just don’t know.

It takes time to work one’s way out of associations such as board members. There are legal hoops to jump through and these things don’t happen in a day. These associations have been years in the making and may have started out innocently enough. Things may be in the works that we are not aware of. We don’t put our hope in men, but in God.

Exposing these associations may have been the best favor ever done to Roger Oakland and maybe he is just beginning to realize it. We don’t know and I think we should reserve judgment, back off and pray as this is a spiritual battle.

William Saunders says:

Pray for Roger. What a mess.

Beverley says:

Thank you Burning Lamp and Deboarh
So Rodger and David have pulled out of the conference for March 2012. That must tell us something!! Not ‘new news’ is scary though, quite right William what a mess.

In His Grip
Beverley

Redeemed says:

I would like to add some thoughts:

Roger Oakland leaves those who have trusted and supported him through many trials in shock and confusion and afraid to trust again. What a betrayal!! And he considers HIMSELF the VICTIM ? And calls those who questioned him and tried to snatch him from the fire “cut throats”? Incredible!!!! The one who warned about false teachers owes his allegiance to one of the worst wolves!!

If he is truly a believer, he will be severely chastened by the Lord or even called home permaturely. If he is not, then we know where that leads.

He has not only disobeyed the Lord, but he has hurt and damaged the sheep, the walking wounded remnant who have already been misunderstood and mistreated by false shepherds. They had hoped and diligently prayed that he would do the right thing, but to no avail. It appears that he has turned himself over in the delusion that humanitarian works will be an acceptable offering to God. That brings to mind the story of Cain and Abel.

How ironic that the title of his latest book is Let There Be Light. Was that a mockery of God’s words at creation and instead a reference to another light of which the Bible speaks, “an angel of light”? As incredible as that sounds, in “light” of what has been revealed, it doesn’t seem too preposterous to suggest.

We don’t hate Roger, we mourn the loss of yet another casualty of the apostasy. We reserve our hatred for Satan who seeks to destroy the precious sheep of God and must be beside himself with glee, knowing he has dealt us a blow that may never heal completely until we are in our heavenly home. But we know Who is still on the throne and His truth WILL reign. We must not let this shake our faith in the LORD GOD ALMIGHTY and keep our eyes on the prize and our Lord Jesus Christ and press on and finish the race.

Marion says:

The saddest part of all this, is the bulk of those who trusted Roger as a faithful guide through apostasy are not wounded by this betrayal…because they don’t know the betrayal happened! (They won’t read about it on Roger’s site, or LIGHTHOUSE TRAILS – they have his books to sell, you know), and that’s their trusted sources for the latest “apostasy new breaks” – isn’t it? They will not know that Roger is hiding behind the skirts of “widows” – that he has been an unfaithful servant (a hireling?). They will read his update and think how wonderful! This deception is further helped along because none of the “big” name “discernment ministries” have covered this either. How many people even know about this website and the few faithful bloggers who have told the truth so that they can take heed? Take a look at all the “discernment/apologetic/worldview ministries” out there. Who has reported this story, which is as big as the Rick Warren expose’ that EVERYBODY jumped on; who “exposes” the false religion of Catholicism and warn constantly of the Jesuits? They are aware this is out there, have been contacted, and remain SILENT…WHY? One reason: so the discerning of God’s people will see…THEIR SILENCE BETRAYS THEM!

THEY ARE CORRUPT AND HAVE BECOME ALTOGETHER UNPROFITABLE!

But they will sell you their books and their DVDs to make merchandise of you!

The Bible says, “What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin; As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips: Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness: Their feet are swift to shed blood: Destruction and misery are in their ways: And the way of peace they have not known: There is no fear of God before their eyes.” (Romans 3:9-18)

GOD has given us HIS WORD…let us LEARN OF HIM!

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Dion says:

Bless you Derrick for these words!

David Troxell says:

Deborah,

This actually concerns another of William Saunders – first rate articles concerning his research about Chuck Missler at William’s blog site:

http://ephesians511blog.blogspot.com/2012/02/apostasy-of-dr-chuck-missler.html

William doesn’t post any email address to respond – and I don’t have any of the blog accounts his blog requires to leave a comment – but I think this will be helpful information in general to anyone following his research –

Another first rate article with one glaring default –

William,

I appreciate the Chuck Missler articles – you and Donna Martin of Fanatic for Jesus have documented on your respective blogs.

However, I think you impugned some of your “homework” by including the Dr Walter Martin TBN appearance picture and by it’s inclusion, will cause many readers to infer that Dr Martin (now deceased) was in the same kind of error that OTHERS prominently mentioned time and again in your articles – ARE.

If everyone who ever befriended Chuck Missler through the years are now – guilty by association – a lot of VERY Godly people are in “trouble”.

But, that is not the case, many were misled, yes, and as your research and that of Donna Martin has proved – his deceptions through the years were very clever, very well hidden, and even now, some Godly leaders still want to give him (Chuck) the benefit of the doubt, but hopefully continued research will persuade them –

2 Peters 2:1 ESV But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction.

Jackie Alnor of Apostasy Alert (http://www.apostasyalert.org/) documented Dr Martin’s appearance on TBN in this blog –

and a 5 part post to YouTube – a home recording of the broadcast she taped.

Part 1 – Dr Walter Martin – TBN
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4-DFSFBeT8

“Uploaded by jalnor on Mar 13, 2011

Walter Martin defending the faith, circa 1985, on TBN with host Doug Clark. Neither the host nor the guest were ever invited back and the program was not reaired the following Monday as it was scheduled.”

“I stayed home to work the VCR I didn’t know how to program, while my two sisters attended, one in the green room and one in the audience we had stacked with many friends. Walter gave it to them with both barrels. Not only was the program not replayed at its regular slot, but the tapes were not available when people followed up to request one.

Back in those days any Praise-the-Lord program could be bought on audio cassette for a small fee. And both Walter Martin and Doug Clark were never invited back. We had heard years later from Doug Clark that during the interview he kept receiving notes via the stage manager from Jan Crouch calling in telling Doug to “shut that guy up” and other nasty comments.”

In light of this research, My hope is you’ll revise your blog to exclude the Dr Martin picture and reference.

David Troxell

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Joetta Smith says:

DTW says: PLEASE READ THIS SHOCKING STORY about Light Louse Trails and Kenya:

I was foolish enough to allow LHT to “stand” with the ministry I had in Kenya called 4J Ministries. We were distributing Bibles, warning pastors about the deception in the church and I had purchased land for a discipleship center in Suna with money donated by friends in America. This was in SUNA. LHT was “helping” by inviting their donors to work along side of us in this ministry.

I believe we are not to add to or diminish from the commandments of God. I believe in the virgin birth of Jesus Christ and in the resurrection of Christ, however, those so-called Christian holidays were brought into the Christian faith by the Catholic Churck and because of scripture I do not celebrate these occassions. I had written to Deborah at LHT back in September of 2010 telling her of my beliefs because I didn’t want a problem since they had decided to “stand” with us. She wrote back that there was “no problem” since they felt the same way. She DID remove a blog I had from her site that I had written about Xmas but I didn’t worry about it. I had another blog that she left up that I just used for basically updates about our ministry. She and I had discussed this issue and she had told me they didn’t mess with this side issues. THEN, what we thought was a real blessing….Roger Oakland decided to come here to Kenya and speak for 6 days in November of 2011.

Soon after that I wrote on my blog http://www.pikipikimama4jesus.wordpress a blog called “Baby Jesus” dicussing these “holidays” that had been ADDED to the Christian religion. Suddenly I got an e-mail from Deborah asking me to take it down and then asking me also to take down any articles where I had mentioned we should just use the KJV Bible. They said they were not asking me to compromise but that I should do it because the donors were upset over the blog. I did not take down the blog because I believed it was written in truth and yes, for me it WAS a compromise. Then LHT suddenly removed anything and everything to do with the 4J Ministries on their site. My pastor called them and both Deborah and her husband Dave were there and were asking the pastor if he was “alone” so they could talk. They thought I wasn’t there. They were telling him that I was a liar and that I was a false teacher and that I was taking people back into legalism (I had formerly been in a legalistic church).

I was horrified at what they were saying, and more horrified that the pastor just sat there and said nothing in my defense! They told him they wanted the FAX number at his bank as they wanted to write him a letter that no one else would see. My pastor began acting very strangely and soon after I discovered that LHT and UTT had gone behind my back to this pastor and that they had offered to support him and all the other team members including educating their children. But, I realized that meant getting me, Mama Jo, out of the way. I found out they had written a 5 page letter absolutly slandering me and saying all kinds of untruths. I THOUGHT those people were my friends! The credit for the discipleship center vision was suddenly given to this pasotr and his pastoral team and it was all back up on their site with absolutely no mention of ME….as if I were dead! Even Roger Oakland said that Pastor Acilla’s vision of having a discipleship center for the pastors was unprecidented…I have a video where BOTH this pastor and his wife were speaking of me as being the “owner” of the vision and that it was the vision God gave to me. I have the e-mails to PROVE everything I have said and many, many witnesses that I have NEVER spoken anything that was false or twisted any scriptures.

Roger Oakland wrote to LHT (I have it on an e-mail that Deborah sent to me that I guess she didn’t realize his response was attatched or maybe she did, I don’t know, but Roger stated that my “rhetoric was very Satanic”, that I had a Jim Jones personality, that I had usurped authority over the pastors, and that I had used LHT and UTT to advance my own perverted views. I was just sick! When I wrote to Deborah to defend my stand and tell her she had made a terrible mistake, she just wrote back and said, “You are a false teacher and a dangerous one.” I had not changed anything in the ministry, I was still teaching what I had always taught…to contend for the faith once delivered to the saints. I didn’t know what had happened, but almost overnight my ministry was gone, I had been slandered and discredited and letters sent out to all the donors of LHT. They just basically stole the discipleship center, Contenders for the Faith Discipleship Center, right out from under me.

The pastor told me he had decided to work with them, blaming me because I was the one who wrote the blog and that I wasn’t a team player because I refused to yield to their request that I take down my articles on my blogs. I have always taught the pastors to stand for the truth and never compromise even if it cost you everything. Well, I did stand for the truth and I refused to compromise….Deborah did ask if I realized what it would cost me….yes, it cost me everything, but I will continue to stand for the truth and not compromise. God has given me a new ministry called Treasure Keepers Kenya and our vision is the same, bring the Body of Christ BACK to the AKJV Bible and to hide it in their hearts, to have an intimate personal relationship with Jesus Christ, to know Him and to obey the gospel.

I began to see that these ministries would not respond to anything they had done…all I met with was SILENCE and I was slandered! NOW, I see this is how they act…so I wasn’t imagining things. I realized they wanted that discipleship center. It was wonderful and born out of a love for pastors to have a place to go to be grounded in the word of God.

Then I saw the article about the Redriver Prophecy Conference at which Roger was to speak and how people thought maybe he was backing off from Chuck Missler…well, how convenient that he decided that he needed to cancel so he could make another trip to Kenya. I believe he has returned as I sit here writing this message. I did send an article to LHT re Roger Oakland’s association with Chuck Missler and they wrote back and told me I belonged with the one who wrote that article and not to write to them again unless I had a repentant heart! Repent for WHAT? They literally destroyed my ministry and took away the discipleship center!! Everything is now under Missions for Truth. Roger has set up his Bryce homes and they’ve started a school and are helping widows and orphans in conjunction with LHT. Well, WHO would even notice that they came in and tried to destroy a 70 year old woman? NO ONE!! I wrote responses to them on my http://www.pikipikimama4jesus.wordpress.com site but I have found no one to stand for me except a few of the former LHT readers who actually wrote to me and said they were standing with me. I was amazed. Two of the former 4J Team pastors have stood with me in the new Treasure Keepers ministry and we are passionate in our ministry to bring the truth and get these pastors back into the word of God and off the reading of these books put out by these men who are getting rich off of them.

I don’t know why I have written this, for who cares…but I wonder if any other small ministries are also in peril of these wolves in sheeps clothing who claim to be ministers of light if they (LHT and UTT) should decide that THEY have something that these people want and would benefit from…will they do to them what they have done to me? I can PROVE they LIED about me yet who can I tell? What can I do? Well, I have gone to GOD, and HE knows and I KNOW that they will NOT get away with what they have done. God will not be mocked and the truth WILL stand. I am thankful I found out about these people now before my own reputation was really ruined because of associating with them. Once I found out about Roger Oakland’s associations I would have dropped them anyway. We are Treasure Keepers and will fight to keep this true word of God (AKJV) in our hearts…2Corintians chapter 4…in these earthen vessels. Thanks for letting me have a place to say what I have said. God bless you and thank you for standing for the truth.

Joetta, I am so sorry that I didn’t post your comment sooner, I was not online. But it’s now online for all to read.

Carol Williamson says:

This soundly convinces me….sola scriptura and let the Bible interpret the Bible. Let God be true and all men be liars…..I have wasted precious time….years….reading books about THE Book…the only Book that has the words of eternal life. I will take the books to the dump lest they stumble or distract others. Maybe I will burn some of them to protect the dumpster divers. I just want to fill my mind with truth about The Truth, the Life, the Way. Thank you for the time you have taken to try to protect the sheep from the wolves. We need to pick up our Bibles and devour them while we still have them. God bless the soldiers of the Cross.