At Boshoff from CRC Church shows us how Pharisees went about ‘Honoring’ God
The recent invitation to debate sent to Mr. At Boshoff by Dion Knoesen was as a result of the below notice sent out by CRC, to their members and undersigned by Mr. Boshoff.
This notice was dated 16 November 2010 with the Subject: “Honour God”
We wish to state the reason for the intended debate with Mr. Boshoff. We hope to either persuade Mr. Boshoff to give heed to proper rendering of the Scriptures for his own benefit and also to benefit those who are under his shepherding.
1Ti 4:16 Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.
On the CRC website it s mentioned that Mr. Boshoff studied at “A Bible College” for three years fulltime. Unfortunately no name is given to this Bible College.
In the last paragraph on this webpage the it says the following:
“He has been described as focussed, passionate and fervent in his hunger for the Word of God and explosive in his dynamic teaching of it. His positively dynamic and practical messages are equaled in their refreshing relevancy to their bold authenticity and doctrinal accuracy. “
When looking exegetically into his notice “Honour God” we have to question his “authenticity and doctrinal accuracy.”
For informative purposes the quoted Scriptures by Mr. Boshoff is discussed below in RED
As Paul wrote:
Php 1:9 And this I pray, that your love may abound yet more and more in knowledge and in all judgment;
Php 1:10 That ye may approve things that are excellent; that ye may be sincere and without offence till the day of Christ;
Email sent out from CRC Church to it’s congregation:
From: CRC Christian Church
Sent: 16 November 2010 01:00 PM
Honour God
“Money is the answer to all things.” Ecc 10:19
The two most important books in your life are the Bible and your cheque “book”. The Bible is the revelation of God’s love for us and our cheque book is the revelation of our love for God.
In Joshua 7 we read about the only place where Israel failed when they crossed into the Promised Land. The only place where Israel suffered defeat because they tampered with the gold and silver (the devoted things) that belonged to God.
Your tithe is Holy to God. Lev 27:30. There are two principles that dominate throughout the Old and New Testament: First fruits get given first and; seed time and harvest. It is God’s purpose that should drive us to give.
In Acts 5 we read about Ananias and Sapphira that financially stood in the way of God’s purpose and suffered great calamity. God does not curse you; your actions open your life to either failure or success.
Does Jesus endorse tithing? Of course He does. In both Matt 23:23 and Luke 11:42; Jesus says that tithing should be the most basic thing. When you tithe you shouldn’t even see that 10 percent. It’s God’s. Also we read in Heb 7 that tithing was before the law. It was a part of the Abrahamic covenant that still exists and is fulfilled in Jesus. He tithed to Malchizedek (high priest) 430 years before before Moses came with the law.
Your allegiance, your tithe, should be given to the church where you are planted. Mal 3 speaks about the coming of Jesus and actually the Holy Spirit. In this we see that we should bring the tithe to the “storehouse” which is your church. Give to God what is God’s. It is God who should be honoured first because He is the source of all your income. Matt 22:17-21
We work to build the kingdom of God, we shouldn’t work to meet our own needs. People can frustrate the work of God by withholding resources. Let’s evaluate ourselves and rectify places where maybe we’ve neglected to honour God with our finances. If you start today it is never too late.
This past week-end we saw 470 people giving their lives to Jesus. We are here to possess the Promised Land. Thank you to every one of you for working hard throughout the year and inviting your world to CRC.
We had a fantastic harvest event in Cape Town last week. We saw the entire auditorium filled to the max. Ps. Aidan and Sharon are doing a great work in that city. I believe many good things are still heading our way in Cape Town.
They have begun to lay the foundations for the Pretoria Building Project. We are so excited to see how things come together as we follow the instructions of God. As we are now in the time when we have to pay the contractors large sums of money every month, I urge you to give the money you pledged or whatever extra the Holy Spirit lays on your heart.
If you still want to contribute please e-mail finance[at]crc.org.za
The Kids’ Party is only a week away. Please take part in this as we are going to make the day special for over 15 000 underprivileged children. If you would like to volunteer or make a donation please contact 051-xxx xxxx.
Be Blessed,
At Boshoff
A Critique on how to “Honor God” written by At Boshoff – Critique notes in red
“Money is the answer to all things.” Ecc 10:19 (Undersigned by At Boshoff)
[Note: It is utterly disappointing to notice that Eccl. 10:19 is cited and interpreted in the way At Boshoff has done so in his notice to the congregation at CRC.
When reading what King Solomon wrote in the book of Ecclesiastes the basic understanding and proper rendering of the Scripture quoted is in fact quite the opposite, as indicated here by Mr. Boshoff.
The passage in context from the first verse (In fact the first chapter of Ecclesiastes) has to do with what the foolish do and the evils resulting from their actions in this world, which also includes verse 10.
Solomon’s message is one of vanity to all that are under the sun, which includes “Money is the answer to all things” What Solomon actually means in writing this is that man’s trust in money which according to man answers all things, is vanity. Their trust and security should be in God and not in money.
It is vanity of fools who rely on their money for all things instead of God.
Psa 62:8 Trust in him at all times; ye people, pour out your heart before him: God is a refuge for us. Selah.
Psa 62:9 Surely men of low degree are vanity, and men of high degree are a lie: to be laid in the balance, they are altogether lighter than vanity.
Psa 62:10 Trust not in oppression, and become not vain in robbery: if riches increase, set not your heart upon them.
Psa 62:11 God hath spoken once; twice have I heard this; that power belongeth unto God.
Mar 10:24 And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them, Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God!
1Ti 6:17 Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy;
1Ti 6:18 That they do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to distribute, willing to communicate;
1Ti 6:19 Laying up in store for themselves a good foundation against the time to come, that they may lay hold on eternal life
Why do so many pastors not put their faith in God but rather exploit the people, after all they are always accusing those who do not have money as being without faith – yet when they need the money they rely on the people instead of their faith??
The Bible does not teach that money should not be used to preach the Gospel and to support brethren (not organisations) in the body of Christ – it is very obvious that mammon should be befriended for this purpose.
But to contort Scripture in this manner shows doctrinal ignorance – hopefully – that rather done so on purpose.]
The two most important books in your life are the Bible and your cheque “book”. The Bible is the revelation of God’s love for us and our cheque book is the revelation of our love for God. (Undersigned by At Boshoff)
[Note: Where is this revelation in the Bible, that our cheque book is the revelation of our love for God??
The revelation I find is that our love for the Lord Jesus, is to keep His commandments not the love of filthy lucre. Our love is manifested in our obedience to Him, our trust in Him alone not in mammon and riches.
There are only two important books and that is the Bible and having your name written in the Book of Life.]
In Joshua 7 we read about the only place where Israel failed when they crossed into the Promised Land. The only place where Israel suffered defeat because they tampered with the gold and silver (the devoted things) that belonged to God. (Undersigned by At Boshoff)
[Note: Ouch!!! First of all it was not Israel who “tampered with the gold and silver” but one man named Achan the son of Camri who had stolen some of the spoils of looted booty of Jericho. (This also had nothing to do with his own money, silver or gold or any of his personal belongings which is referred to here Mr. Boshoff in quoting Joshua 7 for gaining money from New Testament congregants.)
Yes, Israel as a corporate entity was punished as result of the theft by Achan, but it had absolutely nothing to do with the personal wealth individuals were given by God, which were then somehow to the interpretation of this part of Scripture withheld from God.
Firstly this was in disobedience to God, because God placed a ban on personal gain from the looted goods.
Secondly theft was the cause of the punishment – taking things not given to you by God.
Thirdly it was the covetousness of Achan that was addressed in the punishment. Covetousness is what God warns us against throughout the Scriptures.
A reminder: The Bible does not teach that money should not be used to preach the Gospel and to support brethren (not organisations) in the body of Christ – it is very obvious that mammon should be befriended for this purpose.
But to contort Scripture in this manner shows doctrinal ignorance – hopefully – that rather done so on purpose.
To be under the shepherding of someone who does not understand context and doctrine or does understand context and twists it out of context, is not promoted by Scripture:
1Ti 4:16 Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.]
Your tithe is Holy to God. Lev 27:30. There are two principles that dominate throughout the Old and New Testament: First fruits get given first and; seed time and harvest. It is God’s purpose that should drive us to give. (Undersigned by At Boshoff)
[Note: Some more doctrines lacking regarding the tithe very applicable to the Old Testament. Using this one verse for the purpose of tithing is not sufficient and there were many tithing’s applicable not just one. To understand this tithe there were basically 4 types of tithing in the Old Testament ONLY
a) The tithe to the Levites. Deut.14: 27.
The Levites were the “government” of Israel and due to them not having a share in the land allocated to the rest of the tribes, those allocated land were to use of their produce to give to the Levites.
b) The tithe of the Levites to the Zadokites. Neh.10: 38.
Now this is where Malachi is used to place unnecessary burdens on believers today.
First of all, tithings were purely laws given in the Torah or Old Testament. So commanding and condemning people to tithe today by quoting Malachi 10, is basically going back to the Torah or the Law, putting congregants back under the law.
Secondly the Scriptures used below to state that Jesus endorses tithing are totally out of context with regard to tithing and God’s Word in fact it refers to this as works by the Pharisees to justify themselves, something God loathes. In Fact God says woe to them that tithe! – will explain when we discuss these passages.
Thirdly when Malachi 3:10 is read and understood in context it refers to the tithe in a) above, the tithe in Deut 14:27 which was received from the tribes and given to the Levites. The Levites in turn were to skim off a tithe from this tithe (Neh10:38) to give to the priests attending to temple duties. So it was the Levites who were robbing God not the people.
It is interesting when reading the “Works Of Josephus” the Sadducees were the rich of the day who were using the tithes to enrich themselves. Josephus admits to this as he himself was a Sadducee.
Historically it is proven that the Sadducees were extremely rich due to the financial contributions by ordinary people who were forced to pay tribute.
There is no new thing under the son. Today’s Sadducees and Pharisees apply the same rule. The flock enriches them as result of their own rendering and contortions of Scripture.
The clergy were robbing God of tithes not the people, hence the rebuke to them in Malachi 10.
Have any of the Malachi 10 promoters ever read the following to any of their congregations?
Mic 3:10 They build up Zion with blood, and Jerusalem with iniquity.
Mic 3:11 The heads thereof judge for reward, and the priests thereof teach for hire, and the prophets thereof divine for money: yet will they lean upon the LORD, and say, Is not the LORD among us? none evil can come upon us.
Mic 3:12 Therefore shall Zion for your sake be plowed as a field, and Jerusalem shall become heaps, and the mountain of the house as the high places of the forest.
The third type of tithe:
c) The tithe toward the annual Holy Days. Deut. 14: 22 – 26.
3 Times a year the Israelites were to attend Holy Feasts at Jerusalem and for this they needed to set aside a tithe of their harvests etc. If they were too far from Jerusalem they could sell the targeted tithed articles and turn it into money. This they would spend upon themselves and the Levites once they arrive in Jerusalem.
d) The tithe to the less fortunate. Deut.14: 28 – 29.
This is also a tithe to obviously assist the needy in the Old Testament.
Although a tithe in the New Testament is never mentioned in this regard there are many Scriptures which clearly say that the needy ought to be cared for.
When one searches for the word “Tithe” in the New Testament there are two references one in Matt. 23:23 and the other in Luke 11:42 which notably is quoted by Mr. Boshoff and will be discussed.]
In Acts 5 we read about Ananias and Sapphira that financially stood in the way of God’s purpose and suffered great calamity. God does not curse you; your actions open your life to either failure or success. (Undersigned by At Boshoff)
[Note: Who is man that he is able to stand in the way of God’s purpose? Is God dependant on man?
Psa 8:3 When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained;
Psa 8:4 What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him?
It is agreeable that one’s actions open you to success or failure, but to use Acts 5 as yardstick for failure and success is totally out of context.
I know of many people struggling financially who humbly adores God and has extreme credence in the Lord Jesus, but who realize that their own actions caused their calamity. Those being poor and suffering financially in this life without rejecting the Lord Jesus who are willing to endure to the end will be first in the Kingdom.
Although there are certain quotations by the MHCC I do not fully agree with the MHCC renders the following understanding with regard to Ananias and Sapphira which I could not have worded better:
The sin of Ananias and Sapphira was, that they were ambitious of being thought eminent disciples, when they were not true disciples. Hypocrites may deny themselves, may forego their worldly advantage in one instance, with a prospect of finding their account in something else. They were covetous of the wealth of the world, and distrustful of God and his providence. They thought they might serve both God and mammon. They thought to deceive the apostles. The Spirit of God in Peter discerned the principle of unbelief reigning in the heart of Ananias. But whatever Satan might suggest, he could not have filled the heart of Ananias with this wickedness had he not been consenting. The falsehood was an attempt to deceive the Spirit of truth, who so manifestly spoke and acted by the apostles. The crime of Ananias was not his retaining part of the price of the land; he might have kept it all, had he pleased; but his endeavouring to impose upon the apostles with an awful lie, from a desire to make a vain show, joined with covetousness. But if we think to put a cheat upon God, we shall put a fatal cheat upon our own souls. How sad to see those relations who should quicken one another to that which is good, hardening one another in that which is evil! And this punishment was in reality mercy to vast numbers. It would cause strict self-examination, prayer, and dread of hypocrisy, covetousness, and vain-glory, and it should still do so. It would prevent the increase of false professors. Let us learn hence how hateful falsehood is to the God of truth, and not only shun a direct lie, but all advantages from the use of doubtful expressions, and double meaning in our speech.]
Does Jesus endorse tithing? Of course He does. In both Matt 23:23 and Luke 11:42; Jesus says that tithing should be the most basic thing. When you tithe you shouldn’t even see that 10 percent. It’s God’s. Also we read in Heb 7 that tithing was before the law. It was a part of the Abrahamic covenant that still exists and is fulfilled in Jesus. He tithed to Malchizedek (high priest) 430 years before before Moses came with the law. (Undersigned by At Boshoff)
[Note: Is Mr. Boshoff rightfully dividing the Word here?
To understand Matthew 23:23 effectively one needs to read from verse 1!
These were the Words of the Lord Jesus Himself. The Lord Jesus was warning against the Pharisees and rebuked them for putting credence or weight to their tithes. The Lord Jesus says in Matthew 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
The Lord Jesus most certainly does not say that tithing is the most basic thing in this Scripture. In fact He says woe to those that tithe and ignore the important things that God wants. The Lord Jesus in fact says that it is NOT the most basic thing. He says the “weightier” matters are more basic than the tithe.
Luke 11:42 Again out of context and basically the same rebuke goes out to the Pharisees who promoted and relied on tithing as the basic thing at the time of the Temple in Jerusalem.
I do not find: “Jesus says that tithing should be the most basic thing” What I do find is another rebuke to the Pharisees and Scribes who felt very secure in basic tithing: Luk 11:42 But woe unto you, Pharisees! For ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
What I have found in CRC when I used to go there was that they were promoting security in tithing, but the more important and weightier matters such as keeping the Lords commandments in our love for Him, I personally never heard in any sermon by Mr. Boshoff.
Is this not precisely why the Lord Jesus in His Word rebukes the Pharisees?
In Matthew 23:23 and Luke 11:42 the focus is more on the “weightier” matters than the tithe.
A very repetitive part of Scripture used by Mr. Boshoff is Hebrews 7
Gen: 14:18: And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the highest God.
Gen: 14:19: And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth:
Gen: 14:20: And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.
This is to “prove” that tithing was established before the time of Moses, the Torah or law and that tithes have to be given to the priest. To find out what the Melchizedek tithe meant one has to not only read this passage, but also read on to verses 22 & 23.
From verse 18 – 20 it is clear that this was not Abraham’s belongings which were tithed, but rather the booty or loot he had gathered from conquering the enemy.
Gen:14:22: And Abram said to the king of Sodom, I have lift up mine hand unto the LORD, the most high God, the possessor of heaven and earth,
Gen: 14:23: That I will not take from a thread even to a shoe latchet, and that I will not take any thing that is thine, lest thou shouldest say, I have made Abram rich:
Although he gave away 10% of the booty, he stated that he did not even want any of it, because it was not his.
It is also interesting to note that this was a ONCE OFF event, which never took place again.
Ninety percent and more of Scripture quoted for the purposes of pleading for tithes are taken out of context today. God says let few be teachers, because those teachers teaching the flock will be held accountable for what they teach.
A reminder: The Bible does not teach that money should not be used to preach the Gospel and to support brethren (not organisations) in the body of Christ – it is very obvious that mammon should be befriended for this purpose.
But to contort Scripture in this manner shows doctrinal ignorance – hopefully – that rather done so on purpose.
James:3:1: My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation.]
Your allegiance, your tithe, should be given to the church where you are planted. Mal 3 speaks about the coming of Jesus and actually the Holy Spirit. In this we see that we should bring the tithe to the “storehouse” which is your church. Give to God what is God’s. It is God who should be honoured first because He is the source of all your income. Matt 22:17-21 (Undersigned by At Boshoff)
[Note: Reading Mal 10 from verse 1 rather suggests that the audience addressed by God were the priests as already discussed. The “storehouse” is definitely not the New Testament church. The New Testament church is the bride of Christ and not a building built with brick and mortar.]
We work to build the kingdom of God, we shouldn’t work to meet our own needs. People can frustrate the work of God by withholding resources. Let’s evaluate ourselves and rectify places where maybe we’ve neglected to honour God with our finances. If you start today it is never too late.
[Note: The Lord Jesus calls for heed to doctrine rather than finances and I do hope that Mr. Boshoff would rather be obedient to the Lord in the weightier matters.]
This past week-end we saw 470 people giving their lives to Jesus. We are here to possess the Promised Land. Thank you to every one of you for working hard throughout the year and inviting your world to CRC.
[Note: Figures do not impress God. One such an example is: Exo 23:2 Thou shalt not follow a multitude to do evil; neither shalt thou speak in a cause to decline after many to wrest judgment:
Mat 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.
The quote Mr. Boshoff uses in Matthew 23 was discussed already and to conclude, using this verse as a basis for endorsing tithing is basically in support of what the Pharisees promoted – That Mr. Boshoff is teaching here and to the congregation is absolutely the same what the Pharisees were doing.
What is important however and of grave concern, are the proselytes made by CRC. This is also found in Matthew 23 the chapter in which the verse occurs that Mr. Boshoff uses to preach the diametric opposite to what the Lord Jesus says in this chapter: Mat 23:15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
Mat 23:16 Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor!
Mat 23:17 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold?]
We had a fantastic harvest event in Cape Town last week. We saw the entire auditorium filled to the max. Ps. Aidan and Sharon are doing a great work in that city. I believe many good things are still heading our way in Cape Town.
[Note: I suppose it is not worth mentioning all those pastors and lay persons who have left CRC and would like to see Mr. Boshoff repent of his ways.]
They have begun to lay the foundations for the Pretoria Building Project. We are so excited to see how things come together as we follow the instructions of God. As we are now in the time when we have to pay the contractors large sums of money every month, I urge you to give the money you pledged or whatever extra the Holy Spirit lays on your heart.
If you still want to contribute please e-mail finance@crc.org.za
The Kids’ Party is only a week away. Please take part in this as we are going
to make the day special for over 15 000 underprivileged children. If you would like to volunteer or make a donation please contact 051-525 2883.
[Note: It is agreeable that feeding under privileged Children is a very good work, yet the concern remains what these poor children are being fed spiritually when such doctrine as discussed here is being preached.
Hitler once said that if the hearts of the children are won, the next generation will be won.
It is also fact the “Church” of Rome has built a multitude of schools and hospitals and proclaims ex-Cathedra that winning the minds of children before age 7 will ensure that they will be won permanently for the Mother “Church”. I see the same happening at CRC so feeding children is an outward appearance coaxing them into a greater deception of being taught wrong doctrine
Remember what James wrote; if the correct faith is dead the works mean nothing.
It is the correct doctrine that will ensure the correct faith – this is why the works may be more detrimental to the children in the longer term.]
Anon
Well, prove away then..
Anon. read through the New Testament. On this site there is a teaching on tithing – read that and compare it with the Bible.
Hallo daar,
Hoop almal verstaan Afrikaans..So beland my 16 jarige dogter by CRC en verander in n ongelooflike gedetermineerde opregte Christen..baie positief..skielik begin agressie indien ek enige vrae vrae oor At en sy oortuigings (waarvan ek ten sterkste verskil) So kom ek op die blog af en praat met haar . Sy stem saam dat sy nie deur al die doen en lates van CRC (At) saamstem nie, maar wel voel sy het n pesoonlike doel en dit sa uit haar voorbeeld aan ander getuig..sy vra welwaarom almal wat op die blog skryf nie enigsins iets aan die situasie doen nie…? ?? wat antwoord ek…
tiernerma
You have come to the right place, and there are people here who can help you (that speak Afrikaans 🙂
1) Firstly to your daughter, people are converted to “TRUE Christianity” through hearing the Word of God, not by being a good example to others. Rom 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
2) Why are we not saying anything on the blog? Well this article that Chris de Wet wrote on CRC is a huge article showing how AT Boshoff twists the Word of God to suit his own needs. Chris and another guy Deon have repeatedly asked At Bochoff for a DEBATE and AT refuses. At will not debate because he does not know the bible and is afraid he will be made out to be the false teacher that he is.
3) If you have any specific issues with At’s preaching, let us know what they are and I will do my best to write articles on the topics, if I have not already.
Hallo Tiernerma. Indien jy in Blemfontein woonagtig is, is ek bereid om jou te ontmoet. Jy kan vir Deborah vra vir my besonderhede indien jy so voel – dan kan ons praat.
Jesus groete
Hi Chris,
is there really a pyramid scheme for the building project at crc pretoria?
Hi Osito,
I am not aware of a pyramid sceme but will not be surprised if there are some. My current knowledge regarding the doctrine tought there is enough to obey the Bible, to stay away and have nothing to do with them
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& here I was looking for a fast little 2seater German car when i found a SLK55AMG with registration number CRC000… and I thought it might have belonged to Mr Boshoff, so I googled it and it brought me here…
Anyway, maybe while you guys are good at the whole website/SEA/forum/blog thing, why not create a blog for testimonies like dead raised blind see, deaf hear lame walk etc.
Be extremely blessed
Daniel
[Edited by DTW: We have a page were people that have been raised fro the dead can come and tell us their story, but it appears they are all so terribly selfish and don’t want to give Jesus any praise, that no one has bothered to come forward]
Please have a look at: Have You or a Loved One Been Raised From the Dead?
Please read: Can Satan Heal?
And MOST IMPORTANTLY: The Biblical Holy Spirit vs.The False Unholy Spirit of Fire
Chris (8 February, 2012 at 4:13 pm) said to Willem:
“…..How many lives are we changing……… well you will have no idea as Jesus is the Saviour and only He knows by the seeds we have planted and others have given water too. God is the one who brings the increase not me, not you and most assuredly not At Boshoff….”
Well, let me tell you dear William – DTW did not save me, nor did they change me –that ONLY Jesus did, BUT they DID lead me to go to Jesus, they DID help me to take that first step and you know what, they themselves didn’t even know about it.
That is why I believe DTW are the ones doing the REAL work of God as they are not counting heads, they leave that up to God. They are ONLY giving it as it is, no frills and no bells, JUST THE TRUTH.
What I love about DTW is that they expect NOTHING from you, apart from studying scripture as it is written. They don’t ask for money to maintain their wonderful website; they don’t ask you to pay before you can view the information; they don’t give you juice DIY titbits and then market their latest book; no “special offers” for “this Month ONLY”…..it is all for free with lotsa love and hours and hours of dedication.
Today I am thankful to God for finding this website. They have answered some of my questions and certainly helped me to find my SAVIOUR.
DTW, although I love all of you, ALL THE GLORY GOES TO JESUS, He is “da BOSS”.
(from a previous poster…just loved that expression, great to use when speaking to youngsters)
Micheline
I didn’t know, but I am so excited! You have made my day! 🙂 YAY! And I praise my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ for giving me the strength every day to come on this website and tell the truth no matter what and answer questions to the best of my ability as I am guided by the Holy Spirit in the hopes that people hear the Holy Spirit speaking to them and obey Him; that soft gentle whisper telling them the truth as they search the Word of God themselves. All the Glory goes to Jesus.
And if ever I were to falter, do not follow me (like these other people do with their teachers/preachers etc), follow Jesus (the ONE who saved you and sealed you till the end). Sometimes I myself am a bit confused on certain issues and I will say so (but then I am diligently studying trying to figure out the answer – sometimes it takes me months of research to get to the bottom of things) so that I can in all honesty publish the truth and nothing but the truth.
Micheline, what a wonderful testimony of the LORD’s grace and how He has used this site to minister to you. DTW is like an oasis in a desert of mindless drivel and lies and I too am grateful for it!
Well said Micheline! I am soooo happy for you. I too have gained so much knowledge from Debs and DTW. I only ‘belong’ to two websites where I read and comment, and I know that the Lord helped me to find both blogs.
Believe me when I say that I would hassle both blog authors if I don’t agree with them on something they said, or I do not understand a particular subject.. I question everything and I do sometimes go to VISIT other discernment sites to contrast and compare.
My trust is in the Lord, not DTW..but I praise God for Debs and John, and their work and faithfulness.
Redeemed, AMEN to that!!!
Apart from reading DTW, I also read alot of what Prof. Johan Malan is producing. I met a wonderful lady in the beginning of the year at a birthday breakfast. Taking note of her enthusiasm for God was unavoidable and impossible to ignore…and yes, she made me feel jealous for what she has. (She translates some of Prof. Malans’ works into English). I’m so grateful to have met her, even if it was only for about 10 minutes.
Isn’t it amazing how God let us meet the RIGHT people at the RIGHT time in our lives, people that can make a difference if we are listening. I must have been ready for the TRUTH because, Oh my, I’m so “hungry” for more.
Hi everyone, can someone please help me?
The people of crc keeps going back to Malachi 3:10 and tell me but God say we must tithe. Im not with crc any more but my wife love crc and At and she beleave that our 2 year old dauther must belong to crc.
And i beleave it s the Holy Spirit that keeps warning me agains crc and they all think i deceive because they tell me the Holy Spirit let them to crc.
And the way I see it At would not mind taking my little dauther pocket money.
Osito
Please read: Tithing – Are you really robbing God if you don’t? It contains info regarding Malachi 3:10
Hi Chris
Will you kindly advise on the place of worship. honestly
Speaking though been attending there for just over a decade, been critical of most of the teachings. Problem is that I’m still looking for a place of worship. Pls provide the address.
Thanking you in anticipation
Regards
You are not allowed to attend a CRC dreamweek for free. You always have to buy a ticket. If you don’t buy a ticket you will not be allowed in.
Since when do you have to buy a ticket to go to Church? Since when is the Church a cinema? I personally wrote to At in 2011 and told him that it is wrong to ask money and he ignored this as dreamweek 2012 asked money.
So poor people will never be able to attend dreamweek. Some people cannot even afford to buy a bread! Shame on you Pastor!! You give my Country a bad name!
Anonymous
Have you ever thought that going to this ‘Dreamweek’ is actually detrimental to one’s spiritual wellbeing and that not having a ticket is a blessing by God?
Now watch this, I ask one of CRC s top leaders to tell me in 1 COR 13:8-13 when does tongues cease.
1 Cor 13:”8 Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part. 10 But when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away.
11 When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things. 12 For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am known.
13 And now abide faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love”.
The aswer I got after 4 days: when you run away from God the gifts cease.
And that top leaders must lead people to the truth.
What has run away to do with the “perfect” in verse 10?
Osito
>> The aswer I got after 4 days: when you run away from God the gifts cease.
Oh my word…. that is just… *silence*
I just wonder, CRC uses robert morris teaching video s on tithing, then i believe that CRC agree with roberts teachings. Does CRC then uses the same principles of paying the people s money back after 1 year if they are not fully satisfied?
We helped a person that is a member at CRC for about 2 mounths, gave him food and place to stay Because he has no income. I tried to help him get on his feet with his dream and to get help for him at CRC because he has a drug problem. The leaders told me that it is to expencive to help this person and that the church wont pay to help him.
Then i send CRC a message that one of there members is getting lost and needs help or the church might loose a sole. I gave them the persons name. Ask them why they dont want to help this person with “LOST AT ANY COST” and ask CRC for reply. Gave them my e-mail and phone number.
Never heard of CRC.
Hi to all,
I started of by reading the article “At Boshoff from CRC Church shows us how Pharisees went about “Honoring” God” and then read all of the comments and answers that followed. I was intrigued. I am also currently a member of CRC, not Bloemfontein and am experiencing an increased sense of disquiet within me as time goes on. I really thought that there was something wrong with me. Thank you Chris, Deborah and others for persuing truth and not being afraid to tell it like it is.
God bless you
Hi Pat
Yes, we all think there is something wrong with us until we listen to the Holy Spirit telling us its not us, it’s them! I am glad you left. Finding a new church in SA is difficult I can tell you that much. There are some that seem OK but dig deeper and find that things are not ok, and then their claws come out too attack you.
Hi Pat
Welcome, you will see if you read the article s here and then go test it on the crc leaders, ask them question. I did, they got mad at me, lied to me, took mounths to get back at me(“they are very very busy”), told me i am demon posessed, never answer some questions, was not allowed to ask the questions in homesell for there was new people. One leader made time for me for +- 10-15 min then he had to go visit a friend, that was the last as well. I told them it is writen in the Bible and they told me i am the only one in the world that understand it like that, i m confused. They dont want to discuss things that does not fit CRC teachings in the Bible.
Now test this article s as well, as the Bible say test every spirit, and feel free to ask questions. It s nice to have people carering to answer our questions.
May God bless you in the truth and the Holy Spirit lead you.
Hi Mo, I used to be in CRC in the UK and although I am grateful that God rescued me after 7 years of running from Him, I saw many young people hurt, manipulated and controlled. Grace is not part of what CRC preach. This cult is causing people to hate God or completely lose faith. We must all pray for eyes to be opened.
Everything CRC stands for is wrong, I have a loved one that got pulled into this cult, I need help getting her out. It’s going to be the hardest thing I have ever done in my life. This cult is wrong I went to to the “church” were we sat in a tent and watched tv basically, and I feared for my life seeing people talking in tongues made my cry, they actually thought I got the Holy Spirit or some cr*p they believe in. I can’t let this go on and I want to put a stop to this load of nonsense.
At, as jy hierdie boodskap lees ek wil net se jy is ‘n [edited by DTW: swear word removed] en jy gan Hell toe!!!!
At, if you are reading this, this is my message to you I hope that you get what you deserve for doing this to so many people you are destroying lives.
[delete – you call yourself a Christian but the words that come out your mouth are of an unbeliever]
Hi there, since you are an expert in exposing false prophets, I was kindly asking if you could go through my blog and read what I preach.
I’m asking you to do so because I dont want to be one of the false prophets in this world, so I stand to be corrected at all times.
And i’m just wondering, do you go to church? Or do you have your own church? Cause it seems as if everybody who preaches the gospel in your case is a false prophet.
Please understand, I am young, a spiritual baby too, only got born again 13 months ago, and perhaps you might not take me seriously since you are so experienced.
In any case, heres my website [Edited:website-removed]
God bless you!