At Boshoff from CRC Church shows us how Pharisees went about ‘Honoring’ God
The recent invitation to debate sent to Mr. At Boshoff by Dion Knoesen was as a result of the below notice sent out by CRC, to their members and undersigned by Mr. Boshoff.
This notice was dated 16 November 2010 with the Subject: “Honour God”
We wish to state the reason for the intended debate with Mr. Boshoff. We hope to either persuade Mr. Boshoff to give heed to proper rendering of the Scriptures for his own benefit and also to benefit those who are under his shepherding.
1Ti 4:16 Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.
On the CRC website it s mentioned that Mr. Boshoff studied at “A Bible College” for three years fulltime. Unfortunately no name is given to this Bible College.
In the last paragraph on this webpage the it says the following:
“He has been described as focussed, passionate and fervent in his hunger for the Word of God and explosive in his dynamic teaching of it. His positively dynamic and practical messages are equaled in their refreshing relevancy to their bold authenticity and doctrinal accuracy. “
When looking exegetically into his notice “Honour God” we have to question his “authenticity and doctrinal accuracy.”
For informative purposes the quoted Scriptures by Mr. Boshoff is discussed below in RED
As Paul wrote:
Php 1:9 And this I pray, that your love may abound yet more and more in knowledge and in all judgment;
Php 1:10 That ye may approve things that are excellent; that ye may be sincere and without offence till the day of Christ;
Email sent out from CRC Church to it’s congregation:
From: CRC Christian Church
Sent: 16 November 2010 01:00 PM
Honour God
“Money is the answer to all things.” Ecc 10:19
The two most important books in your life are the Bible and your cheque “book”. The Bible is the revelation of God’s love for us and our cheque book is the revelation of our love for God.
In Joshua 7 we read about the only place where Israel failed when they crossed into the Promised Land. The only place where Israel suffered defeat because they tampered with the gold and silver (the devoted things) that belonged to God.
Your tithe is Holy to God. Lev 27:30. There are two principles that dominate throughout the Old and New Testament: First fruits get given first and; seed time and harvest. It is God’s purpose that should drive us to give.
In Acts 5 we read about Ananias and Sapphira that financially stood in the way of God’s purpose and suffered great calamity. God does not curse you; your actions open your life to either failure or success.
Does Jesus endorse tithing? Of course He does. In both Matt 23:23 and Luke 11:42; Jesus says that tithing should be the most basic thing. When you tithe you shouldn’t even see that 10 percent. It’s God’s. Also we read in Heb 7 that tithing was before the law. It was a part of the Abrahamic covenant that still exists and is fulfilled in Jesus. He tithed to Malchizedek (high priest) 430 years before before Moses came with the law.
Your allegiance, your tithe, should be given to the church where you are planted. Mal 3 speaks about the coming of Jesus and actually the Holy Spirit. In this we see that we should bring the tithe to the “storehouse” which is your church. Give to God what is God’s. It is God who should be honoured first because He is the source of all your income. Matt 22:17-21
We work to build the kingdom of God, we shouldn’t work to meet our own needs. People can frustrate the work of God by withholding resources. Let’s evaluate ourselves and rectify places where maybe we’ve neglected to honour God with our finances. If you start today it is never too late.
This past week-end we saw 470 people giving their lives to Jesus. We are here to possess the Promised Land. Thank you to every one of you for working hard throughout the year and inviting your world to CRC.
We had a fantastic harvest event in Cape Town last week. We saw the entire auditorium filled to the max. Ps. Aidan and Sharon are doing a great work in that city. I believe many good things are still heading our way in Cape Town.
They have begun to lay the foundations for the Pretoria Building Project. We are so excited to see how things come together as we follow the instructions of God. As we are now in the time when we have to pay the contractors large sums of money every month, I urge you to give the money you pledged or whatever extra the Holy Spirit lays on your heart.
If you still want to contribute please e-mail finance[at]crc.org.za
The Kids’ Party is only a week away. Please take part in this as we are going to make the day special for over 15 000 underprivileged children. If you would like to volunteer or make a donation please contact 051-xxx xxxx.
Be Blessed,
At Boshoff
A Critique on how to “Honor God” written by At Boshoff – Critique notes in red
“Money is the answer to all things.” Ecc 10:19 (Undersigned by At Boshoff)
[Note: It is utterly disappointing to notice that Eccl. 10:19 is cited and interpreted in the way At Boshoff has done so in his notice to the congregation at CRC.
When reading what King Solomon wrote in the book of Ecclesiastes the basic understanding and proper rendering of the Scripture quoted is in fact quite the opposite, as indicated here by Mr. Boshoff.
The passage in context from the first verse (In fact the first chapter of Ecclesiastes) has to do with what the foolish do and the evils resulting from their actions in this world, which also includes verse 10.
Solomon’s message is one of vanity to all that are under the sun, which includes “Money is the answer to all things” What Solomon actually means in writing this is that man’s trust in money which according to man answers all things, is vanity. Their trust and security should be in God and not in money.
It is vanity of fools who rely on their money for all things instead of God.
Psa 62:8 Trust in him at all times; ye people, pour out your heart before him: God is a refuge for us. Selah.
Psa 62:9 Surely men of low degree are vanity, and men of high degree are a lie: to be laid in the balance, they are altogether lighter than vanity.
Psa 62:10 Trust not in oppression, and become not vain in robbery: if riches increase, set not your heart upon them.
Psa 62:11 God hath spoken once; twice have I heard this; that power belongeth unto God.
Mar 10:24 And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them, Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God!
1Ti 6:17 Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy;
1Ti 6:18 That they do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to distribute, willing to communicate;
1Ti 6:19 Laying up in store for themselves a good foundation against the time to come, that they may lay hold on eternal life
Why do so many pastors not put their faith in God but rather exploit the people, after all they are always accusing those who do not have money as being without faith – yet when they need the money they rely on the people instead of their faith??
The Bible does not teach that money should not be used to preach the Gospel and to support brethren (not organisations) in the body of Christ – it is very obvious that mammon should be befriended for this purpose.
But to contort Scripture in this manner shows doctrinal ignorance – hopefully – that rather done so on purpose.]
The two most important books in your life are the Bible and your cheque “book”. The Bible is the revelation of God’s love for us and our cheque book is the revelation of our love for God. (Undersigned by At Boshoff)
[Note: Where is this revelation in the Bible, that our cheque book is the revelation of our love for God??
The revelation I find is that our love for the Lord Jesus, is to keep His commandments not the love of filthy lucre. Our love is manifested in our obedience to Him, our trust in Him alone not in mammon and riches.
There are only two important books and that is the Bible and having your name written in the Book of Life.]
In Joshua 7 we read about the only place where Israel failed when they crossed into the Promised Land. The only place where Israel suffered defeat because they tampered with the gold and silver (the devoted things) that belonged to God. (Undersigned by At Boshoff)
[Note: Ouch!!! First of all it was not Israel who “tampered with the gold and silver” but one man named Achan the son of Camri who had stolen some of the spoils of looted booty of Jericho. (This also had nothing to do with his own money, silver or gold or any of his personal belongings which is referred to here Mr. Boshoff in quoting Joshua 7 for gaining money from New Testament congregants.)
Yes, Israel as a corporate entity was punished as result of the theft by Achan, but it had absolutely nothing to do with the personal wealth individuals were given by God, which were then somehow to the interpretation of this part of Scripture withheld from God.
Firstly this was in disobedience to God, because God placed a ban on personal gain from the looted goods.
Secondly theft was the cause of the punishment – taking things not given to you by God.
Thirdly it was the covetousness of Achan that was addressed in the punishment. Covetousness is what God warns us against throughout the Scriptures.
A reminder: The Bible does not teach that money should not be used to preach the Gospel and to support brethren (not organisations) in the body of Christ – it is very obvious that mammon should be befriended for this purpose.
But to contort Scripture in this manner shows doctrinal ignorance – hopefully – that rather done so on purpose.
To be under the shepherding of someone who does not understand context and doctrine or does understand context and twists it out of context, is not promoted by Scripture:
1Ti 4:16 Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.]
Your tithe is Holy to God. Lev 27:30. There are two principles that dominate throughout the Old and New Testament: First fruits get given first and; seed time and harvest. It is God’s purpose that should drive us to give. (Undersigned by At Boshoff)
[Note: Some more doctrines lacking regarding the tithe very applicable to the Old Testament. Using this one verse for the purpose of tithing is not sufficient and there were many tithing’s applicable not just one. To understand this tithe there were basically 4 types of tithing in the Old Testament ONLY
a) The tithe to the Levites. Deut.14: 27.
The Levites were the “government” of Israel and due to them not having a share in the land allocated to the rest of the tribes, those allocated land were to use of their produce to give to the Levites.
b) The tithe of the Levites to the Zadokites. Neh.10: 38.
Now this is where Malachi is used to place unnecessary burdens on believers today.
First of all, tithings were purely laws given in the Torah or Old Testament. So commanding and condemning people to tithe today by quoting Malachi 10, is basically going back to the Torah or the Law, putting congregants back under the law.
Secondly the Scriptures used below to state that Jesus endorses tithing are totally out of context with regard to tithing and God’s Word in fact it refers to this as works by the Pharisees to justify themselves, something God loathes. In Fact God says woe to them that tithe! – will explain when we discuss these passages.
Thirdly when Malachi 3:10 is read and understood in context it refers to the tithe in a) above, the tithe in Deut 14:27 which was received from the tribes and given to the Levites. The Levites in turn were to skim off a tithe from this tithe (Neh10:38) to give to the priests attending to temple duties. So it was the Levites who were robbing God not the people.
It is interesting when reading the “Works Of Josephus” the Sadducees were the rich of the day who were using the tithes to enrich themselves. Josephus admits to this as he himself was a Sadducee.
Historically it is proven that the Sadducees were extremely rich due to the financial contributions by ordinary people who were forced to pay tribute.
There is no new thing under the son. Today’s Sadducees and Pharisees apply the same rule. The flock enriches them as result of their own rendering and contortions of Scripture.
The clergy were robbing God of tithes not the people, hence the rebuke to them in Malachi 10.
Have any of the Malachi 10 promoters ever read the following to any of their congregations?
Mic 3:10 They build up Zion with blood, and Jerusalem with iniquity.
Mic 3:11 The heads thereof judge for reward, and the priests thereof teach for hire, and the prophets thereof divine for money: yet will they lean upon the LORD, and say, Is not the LORD among us? none evil can come upon us.
Mic 3:12 Therefore shall Zion for your sake be plowed as a field, and Jerusalem shall become heaps, and the mountain of the house as the high places of the forest.
The third type of tithe:
c) The tithe toward the annual Holy Days. Deut. 14: 22 – 26.
3 Times a year the Israelites were to attend Holy Feasts at Jerusalem and for this they needed to set aside a tithe of their harvests etc. If they were too far from Jerusalem they could sell the targeted tithed articles and turn it into money. This they would spend upon themselves and the Levites once they arrive in Jerusalem.
d) The tithe to the less fortunate. Deut.14: 28 – 29.
This is also a tithe to obviously assist the needy in the Old Testament.
Although a tithe in the New Testament is never mentioned in this regard there are many Scriptures which clearly say that the needy ought to be cared for.
When one searches for the word “Tithe” in the New Testament there are two references one in Matt. 23:23 and the other in Luke 11:42 which notably is quoted by Mr. Boshoff and will be discussed.]
In Acts 5 we read about Ananias and Sapphira that financially stood in the way of God’s purpose and suffered great calamity. God does not curse you; your actions open your life to either failure or success. (Undersigned by At Boshoff)
[Note: Who is man that he is able to stand in the way of God’s purpose? Is God dependant on man?
Psa 8:3 When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained;
Psa 8:4 What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him?
It is agreeable that one’s actions open you to success or failure, but to use Acts 5 as yardstick for failure and success is totally out of context.
I know of many people struggling financially who humbly adores God and has extreme credence in the Lord Jesus, but who realize that their own actions caused their calamity. Those being poor and suffering financially in this life without rejecting the Lord Jesus who are willing to endure to the end will be first in the Kingdom.
Although there are certain quotations by the MHCC I do not fully agree with the MHCC renders the following understanding with regard to Ananias and Sapphira which I could not have worded better:
The sin of Ananias and Sapphira was, that they were ambitious of being thought eminent disciples, when they were not true disciples. Hypocrites may deny themselves, may forego their worldly advantage in one instance, with a prospect of finding their account in something else. They were covetous of the wealth of the world, and distrustful of God and his providence. They thought they might serve both God and mammon. They thought to deceive the apostles. The Spirit of God in Peter discerned the principle of unbelief reigning in the heart of Ananias. But whatever Satan might suggest, he could not have filled the heart of Ananias with this wickedness had he not been consenting. The falsehood was an attempt to deceive the Spirit of truth, who so manifestly spoke and acted by the apostles. The crime of Ananias was not his retaining part of the price of the land; he might have kept it all, had he pleased; but his endeavouring to impose upon the apostles with an awful lie, from a desire to make a vain show, joined with covetousness. But if we think to put a cheat upon God, we shall put a fatal cheat upon our own souls. How sad to see those relations who should quicken one another to that which is good, hardening one another in that which is evil! And this punishment was in reality mercy to vast numbers. It would cause strict self-examination, prayer, and dread of hypocrisy, covetousness, and vain-glory, and it should still do so. It would prevent the increase of false professors. Let us learn hence how hateful falsehood is to the God of truth, and not only shun a direct lie, but all advantages from the use of doubtful expressions, and double meaning in our speech.]
Does Jesus endorse tithing? Of course He does. In both Matt 23:23 and Luke 11:42; Jesus says that tithing should be the most basic thing. When you tithe you shouldn’t even see that 10 percent. It’s God’s. Also we read in Heb 7 that tithing was before the law. It was a part of the Abrahamic covenant that still exists and is fulfilled in Jesus. He tithed to Malchizedek (high priest) 430 years before before Moses came with the law. (Undersigned by At Boshoff)
[Note: Is Mr. Boshoff rightfully dividing the Word here?
To understand Matthew 23:23 effectively one needs to read from verse 1!
These were the Words of the Lord Jesus Himself. The Lord Jesus was warning against the Pharisees and rebuked them for putting credence or weight to their tithes. The Lord Jesus says in Matthew 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
The Lord Jesus most certainly does not say that tithing is the most basic thing in this Scripture. In fact He says woe to those that tithe and ignore the important things that God wants. The Lord Jesus in fact says that it is NOT the most basic thing. He says the “weightier” matters are more basic than the tithe.
Luke 11:42 Again out of context and basically the same rebuke goes out to the Pharisees who promoted and relied on tithing as the basic thing at the time of the Temple in Jerusalem.
I do not find: “Jesus says that tithing should be the most basic thing” What I do find is another rebuke to the Pharisees and Scribes who felt very secure in basic tithing: Luk 11:42 But woe unto you, Pharisees! For ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
What I have found in CRC when I used to go there was that they were promoting security in tithing, but the more important and weightier matters such as keeping the Lords commandments in our love for Him, I personally never heard in any sermon by Mr. Boshoff.
Is this not precisely why the Lord Jesus in His Word rebukes the Pharisees?
In Matthew 23:23 and Luke 11:42 the focus is more on the “weightier” matters than the tithe.
A very repetitive part of Scripture used by Mr. Boshoff is Hebrews 7
Gen: 14:18: And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the highest God.
Gen: 14:19: And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth:
Gen: 14:20: And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.
This is to “prove” that tithing was established before the time of Moses, the Torah or law and that tithes have to be given to the priest. To find out what the Melchizedek tithe meant one has to not only read this passage, but also read on to verses 22 & 23.
From verse 18 – 20 it is clear that this was not Abraham’s belongings which were tithed, but rather the booty or loot he had gathered from conquering the enemy.
Gen:14:22: And Abram said to the king of Sodom, I have lift up mine hand unto the LORD, the most high God, the possessor of heaven and earth,
Gen: 14:23: That I will not take from a thread even to a shoe latchet, and that I will not take any thing that is thine, lest thou shouldest say, I have made Abram rich:
Although he gave away 10% of the booty, he stated that he did not even want any of it, because it was not his.
It is also interesting to note that this was a ONCE OFF event, which never took place again.
Ninety percent and more of Scripture quoted for the purposes of pleading for tithes are taken out of context today. God says let few be teachers, because those teachers teaching the flock will be held accountable for what they teach.
A reminder: The Bible does not teach that money should not be used to preach the Gospel and to support brethren (not organisations) in the body of Christ – it is very obvious that mammon should be befriended for this purpose.
But to contort Scripture in this manner shows doctrinal ignorance – hopefully – that rather done so on purpose.
James:3:1: My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation.]
Your allegiance, your tithe, should be given to the church where you are planted. Mal 3 speaks about the coming of Jesus and actually the Holy Spirit. In this we see that we should bring the tithe to the “storehouse” which is your church. Give to God what is God’s. It is God who should be honoured first because He is the source of all your income. Matt 22:17-21 (Undersigned by At Boshoff)
[Note: Reading Mal 10 from verse 1 rather suggests that the audience addressed by God were the priests as already discussed. The “storehouse” is definitely not the New Testament church. The New Testament church is the bride of Christ and not a building built with brick and mortar.]
We work to build the kingdom of God, we shouldn’t work to meet our own needs. People can frustrate the work of God by withholding resources. Let’s evaluate ourselves and rectify places where maybe we’ve neglected to honour God with our finances. If you start today it is never too late.
[Note: The Lord Jesus calls for heed to doctrine rather than finances and I do hope that Mr. Boshoff would rather be obedient to the Lord in the weightier matters.]
This past week-end we saw 470 people giving their lives to Jesus. We are here to possess the Promised Land. Thank you to every one of you for working hard throughout the year and inviting your world to CRC.
[Note: Figures do not impress God. One such an example is: Exo 23:2 Thou shalt not follow a multitude to do evil; neither shalt thou speak in a cause to decline after many to wrest judgment:
Mat 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.
The quote Mr. Boshoff uses in Matthew 23 was discussed already and to conclude, using this verse as a basis for endorsing tithing is basically in support of what the Pharisees promoted – That Mr. Boshoff is teaching here and to the congregation is absolutely the same what the Pharisees were doing.
What is important however and of grave concern, are the proselytes made by CRC. This is also found in Matthew 23 the chapter in which the verse occurs that Mr. Boshoff uses to preach the diametric opposite to what the Lord Jesus says in this chapter: Mat 23:15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
Mat 23:16 Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor!
Mat 23:17 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold?]
We had a fantastic harvest event in Cape Town last week. We saw the entire auditorium filled to the max. Ps. Aidan and Sharon are doing a great work in that city. I believe many good things are still heading our way in Cape Town.
[Note: I suppose it is not worth mentioning all those pastors and lay persons who have left CRC and would like to see Mr. Boshoff repent of his ways.]
They have begun to lay the foundations for the Pretoria Building Project. We are so excited to see how things come together as we follow the instructions of God. As we are now in the time when we have to pay the contractors large sums of money every month, I urge you to give the money you pledged or whatever extra the Holy Spirit lays on your heart.
If you still want to contribute please e-mail finance@crc.org.za
The Kids’ Party is only a week away. Please take part in this as we are going
to make the day special for over 15 000 underprivileged children. If you would like to volunteer or make a donation please contact 051-525 2883.
[Note: It is agreeable that feeding under privileged Children is a very good work, yet the concern remains what these poor children are being fed spiritually when such doctrine as discussed here is being preached.
Hitler once said that if the hearts of the children are won, the next generation will be won.
It is also fact the “Church” of Rome has built a multitude of schools and hospitals and proclaims ex-Cathedra that winning the minds of children before age 7 will ensure that they will be won permanently for the Mother “Church”. I see the same happening at CRC so feeding children is an outward appearance coaxing them into a greater deception of being taught wrong doctrine
Remember what James wrote; if the correct faith is dead the works mean nothing.
It is the correct doctrine that will ensure the correct faith – this is why the works may be more detrimental to the children in the longer term.]
Kgosi, There are many scriptures that teach the opposite of what At Boshoff and all the prosperity teachers teach – take some time and go make a study of scripture and if you ask the Holy Spirit to speak to your heart and reveal the real truth to you, you will have to agree that they are deceivers and false teachers. The first scripture I suggest to get you going is 1 Tim 6:3-10
My experience with CRC is something to be addressed. With regards to Doctrinal Issues, as well as the so called “Praise and Worship” this is all just not so biblical. When it comes to the Pure and Unadulterated Word of God they have no clue in this matter. There is also no such thing as a Praise and Worship in the Bible. Lets not follow the Doctrine’s of men as they are doctrines of Devils, but lets follow the Commandments and Ordinances of God. Worship is not what they make it out to be, but Worship in the Bible at every place you see it people fell on their faces in the Presence of Angels as John did on the Isle of Patmos, showing utmost Reverence and Fear of God, thats what we should do, not what these so called “churches” are doing.
It is difficult to find a church that is totally Gospel based. Where can I worship in Bfn then that is “safe”
A note to concerned. Biblically speaking there is only one Church, the Bride of Christ. The Lord adds daily to that Church.
Acts 2:47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.
Different SAVED and DOCTRINALLY stable congregations make out THE CHURCH.
If you are serious to join such a group which is also in touch with other similar groups in Bloemfontein, please let me know and allow Deborah to obtain your contact details.
Debs please then pass it to me and I will make sure to discuss the matter with “Concerned”.
May the Lord lead you in this matter.
Concerned
I have forwarded your email address to Chris, please expect an email from him. Don’t worry he is ‘safe’ 😉
It’s been a year to date since I left CRC BFN. It’s good to see that I am not the only victim who realised the brutality of this organised religion. I can only pray that God will open the eyes of the true believers who are still committed to this church. I believe everything that is done in secret will be exposed eventually. As a young black professional it was easy to fall prey to the attractiveness of the gospel ‘sold’ by this church.
I almost lost everything but by the grace of God my eyes were opened to the deceit going on in this CULT. I haven’t attended any church ever since due to the trauma I experienced upon realisation that CRC is not of GOD. I can only be grateful that I did not lose my faith in the living God.
Deborah, please forward my e-mail to Chris, thanks.
Recovering
Jesus protected you all the way, even though you were in this church. And you came out the other end more knowledgeable though didn’t you? 😉 Your eyes are bigger than ever and you hear the Holy Spirits voice as clear as day 🙂 It’s actually wonderful when we come out of these things, when we look back and see how Jesus was looking after us.
I will forward it on to him, expect him to contact you soon.
Thank you Chris and Deb for your reply. I will definitely keep my eyes peeled, guard my heart & pray that I’ll be protected from any form of deceit. I would like to know what your opinion it concerning IFCC.
Concerned ,my situation was that of getting involved with too many orginizations rather tahn with Scripture itself.
One thing is for sure and that is the more you know the Scriptures the quicker your discernment.
As my friends used to say in Afrikaans “My kop raas” (My head is noisy) and that is due to being confused by every doctrine.
This is why Paul and Jesus said that we should stick with the doctrine of Christ and no other, because God is not the author of confusion.
I eventually became so annoyed by this one’s then that one’s preaching that I decided to stay at home and study the Bible first.
When sports fishermen catch a Marlyn it only jumps a couple of times then it dives into the depths of the ocean. This they call sounding.
Well this is what I decided to do when things became to noisy. I withdrew and looked and studied into the Scriptures prayerfully for some years – especially the New Testament as this is the era we are living in now and it is specific to the Church.
The result was that whenever someone would say something which did not gel with what the Scriptures taught me I would simply ignore it.
It takes the confusion away.
My suggestion would be for you to do the same. Then go and look what IFCC is all about using the Word of God to discern for you, you should then decide. It has a better impact than someone telling you that there is a problem for with example IFCC.
May the Lord help you in this.
Debs, can you please pass my details to Chris de Wet? I am in desperate need of fellowship with likeminded christians here in Bloem. Cheers!
Hi Rudi
I have emailed him your email address. He will contact you soon. Sorry for taking so long to get back to you, I’ve had one problem after another this side.
Well, decide for yourself how to serve God. Why must Gods house be the smallest place in town? In midrand the moslems buils now a 220mil mosk. But when Christians are asked to give, then all hell breaks lose.
Martin
Wow, apparently you don’t read your bible. This is what the bible says regarding having the smallest place in town.
1 Timothy 6:8-10 “8 And having food and clothing, with these we shall be content. 9 But those who desire to be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and harmful lusts which drown men in destruction and perdition. 10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil, for which some have strayed from the faith in their greediness, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.”
1 Corinthians 5:11-13 “11 But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner—not even to eat with such a person.
12 For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside? 13 But those who are outside God judges. Therefore “put away from yourselves the evil person.””
What does covetous mean? Greedy of gain
And how dare you compare Christianity to Islam. That is like saying you want what Satan had. When Satan temped Jesus in the desert what did Jesus say to Satan when Satan offered Jesus the world?
Matthew 4:1-11 “8 Again, the devil took Him up on an exceedingly high mountain, and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory. 9 And he said to Him, “All these things I will give You if You will fall down and worship me.”
10 Then Jesus said to him, “Away with you, Satan! For it is written, ‘You shall worship the Lord your God, and Him only you shall serve.’”
11 Then the devil left Him, and behold, angels came and ministered to Him.
I think you should go now Martin and rethink your Islamianity.
LOL Debs… is that a new one?
Islamianity, Islamicity, Islaminism, Islamica…
But serious now Martin
Act 7:48 – 49 Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet, Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord:
Robbie
Islamianity is like Islam and Christianity and stuff combined hahaha ;P
Oh…lol – you mean chrislam?…
I guess the Emergents will soon share/swap pulpits with them.
Question: Am I right when I say that Emergents and NAR’s are closely “related”?
Robbie
Yes, Chrislam lol, that’s what I meant. haha
>> Am I right when I say that Emergents and NAR’s are closely “related”?
Absolutely, NAR’s actually reference Emergent’s teaching very often and incorporate their teaching into theirs especially regarding ‘meditation’. For example, Elza Meyer who is NAR (and Angus Buchan’s buddy) references Rob Bell. I found that book of hers (the English one, I am almost finished reading it ‘again’) I will write an article on it soon.
I had a good chuckle at how fickle christians can be . At Boshoff turned my life around after I came to a preaching at CRC Cape Town . The Holy Spirit flows through the church on a Sunday , so thick you can almost feel it .
I have from there turned from an alcoholic to a christian . I’m currently in bible school studying minstry . Just 5 months after giving my heart to the lord I have been baptised in water and in the spirit .
So now if he did this in my life and in plenty others lives what’s so wrong with that ? We have been given a mission at church , to bring five people to get saved during the year . We just had a mate from england give his life to christ . All this happened in the CRC building . Is this a bad thing ? Sorry the guy saved my life for christ and I love him for that .
Petrus
>> At Boshoff turned my life around
At turned your life around?
>> Sorry the guy saved my life for christ and I love him for that
At saved your life for Christ? And you love At for that?
So basically At Boshoff is your saviour and Jesus is just someone you end up following? No wonder you can’t tell the different between false teaching and the truth.
I am not sure what kind of gospel you were taught at CRC but the bible is clear on who our Saviour is and that is Jesus Christ.
Who is Jesus Christ? The Bible tells us that Jesus is God in the flesh, God in human form (see John 1:1, 14). God came to earth to teach us, heal us, correct us, forgive us—and die for us! Jesus Christ is God, the Creator, the sovereign Lord. Have you accepted this Jesus?
Not the Jesus that At Boshoff has presented you. The one who rakes in millions of rands at the expense of poor people. The one who preaches ANOTHER GOSPEL that contradicts the Word of God.
What is a Savior, and why do we need a Savior? The Bible tells us that we have all sinned; we have all committed evil acts (Romans 3:10-18). As a result of our sin, we deserve God’s anger and judgment. The only just punishment for sins committed against an infinite and eternal God is an infinite punishment (Romans 6:23; Revelation 20:11-15). That is why we need a Savior!
And no, it’s not At Boshoff! At Boshoff has nothing to do with anything regarding your salvation. It is Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ ALONE.
Jesus Christ came to earth and died in our place. Jesus’ death was an infinite payment for our sins (2 Corinthians 5:21). Jesus died to pay the penalty for our sins (Romans 5:8). Jesus paid the price so that we would not have to. Jesus’ resurrection from the dead proved that His death was sufficient to pay the penalty for our sins. That is why Jesus is the one and only Savior (John 14:6; Acts 4:12)! Are you trusting in Jesus as your Savior?
It seems you are trusting in At Boshoff instead! At Boshoff did not die for you, nor can he forgive you. He is just a man – nothing else. You owe everything to Jesus Christ. The fact that you even bring a man into the equation regarding your salvation shows there is a serious problem.
Is Jesus your “personal” Savior? Many people view Christianity as attending church, performing rituals, and/or not committing certain sins. That is not Christianity. True Christianity is a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. Accepting Jesus as your personal Savior means placing your own personal faith and trust in Him. No one is saved by the faith of others. No one is forgiven by doing certain deeds. The only way to be saved is to personally accept Jesus as your Savior, trusting in His death as the payment for your sins and His resurrection as your guarantee of eternal life (John 3:16). Is Jesus personally your Savior?
Please read this and for your sake I beg you to get out of that church and seek Jesus Christ in your own home, (no middle man called At Boshoff necessary).
Petrus…Deb’s is right…it is only Jesus and He alone saves…that is from our sin.
Patronising a man, a teaching or a belief or a way of worship is idol or icon worship…it appears harmless to those recently saved but is so spiritually dangerous and cancerous in our relationship with God and those around us.
Parrotising preachers and teachers is a common method of Satan (appearing and appealing) as an angel of light to deceive people (even the elect).
DO NOT LISTEN TO MAN BUT SEEK OUT SCRIPTURES PRAYERFULLY, SINCERELY and STUDIOUSLY for yourself and GOD the HOLY SPIRIT will lead into the truth.
Cults like the Mormons (the Church of the Latter Day Saints) were started by men like Smith…who claimed interaction with God in word and vision but it was all lies and led people down the road to destruction…if you listen to men and women who claim to be messengers from God run the other way. The scriptures are complete and there is no further need for man to contaminate them with additions or subtractions.
I wonder why the personal attack . I wonder if you’re aware that it shows weakness which generally indicates that you have an incling that you might be wrong .
You love pulling out a few words and using that completely out of context as you do with At’s . I was expecting an intelectual response but I got an attack , sorry if I offended you but maybe I should’ve let the truth and only the real truth hit you .
Dont bother posting this as I wont be visiting your website again . I will be leading people and winning people for christ and do that through his ministry .
These attacks by the evil ( which you proved you were by the way you responded ) wont set me back and soul by soul will be won .
Have a great day
Petrus
That was not an attack at all Petrus, no where did I attack you, I pointed out the ‘obvious’ and my reply was an attempt to try get you to open your eyes to the truth – why are you following a man instead of Jesus Christ the Son of God. – those were your words, and God holds us accountable for what we say.
I preach the truth to you and you say that its evil? But they preach lies at CRC and you call it truth.
Go figure.
I pray if the Holy Spirit is working in your life, that He chastises you on this matter…and that you come to know that deep down something is wrong with CRC and you need to get out – Seek Jesus Christ at your home through sincere prayer.
You are welcome back here anytime – we make sure we always present SOUND DOCTRINE!
Poor Deborah
With some of these ‘christians’ you can’t win. What you must pray is that the Lord drops a brick on their head to wake them up. That is what happened to me!! Love
In His Grip
Beverley
Bev
Hope it wasn’t a real brick LOL?
Shame you guys obviously have huge problems in the giving department and the faith department. Trying to rationalize your way out of giving to the church. Seems to me that it is you and not the members of CRC who has trouble letting go of their finances.
So, I just read the entire article and every comment in one sitting.
Very interesting, but extremely ineffective.
I am what you might consider to be ‘the enemy’.
My job is to help organizations become super movements.
I charge these organizations (regardless of their belief systems) massive amounts of money to teach them the brief summary I am about to give you.
If you wanted to find me in the Bible, you would probably call me ‘Eli’.
I have raised many ‘Samuels’ who have trained many ‘Davids’ and ‘Sauls’ and in doing so, I came close to losing my own soul.
Take heed to my words below if you want a fighting chance.
The power of any super movement lies in an art known as ‘social engineering’.
Biblical differences aside (humor me for a second): If you guys want to make a true impact with your Acts 17:11 approach to Christianity, I would like to suggest the following:
1) Drape the arguments in love.
That Kgosi fellow made an earnest statement with a very sweet spirit. You could discern his loyal and loving character from a mile off.
Your response was perfect in letter, perfect in law but drenched in frustration thus completely ineffective.
Social engineers are never driven by frustration. Frustration is a great motivator and an epic illuminator of purpose but a terrible communication platform.
In essence, you need to be the ‘Sheep among Wolves’ here! ‘Wise as serpents but harmless as doves’. The bible might be useful for correcting, but it will never be a can of whupass to opened up on those you feel are misled. This is simply not its design. I know you like the ‘expel’ bit but make sure you have sown seed for the ‘restore’ bit too.
Ok, I feel your hackles rise and your self preservation instinct kick in about now, just chill, this is a friendly message.
Let me quickly explain what you are up against.
Social engineering is an art employed by Fortune 500 companies on a corporate scale. It was initially exclusively utilized by con-artists but the necessary science in understanding the insecurities of the ‘mark’ proved to be an invaluable weapon for the masters of mass indoctrination. Thus writers like Robert Greene found a voice and a platform to preach the art of manipulation.
I encourage you to research the subject in detail. Eye opening stuff!
Propaganda, repeated slogans and focus domination are all very powerful tools of the social engineer. Focus creates blindness in all but the area of focus and shining a bright light into those tightly slit eyes will do nothing but infuriate the patient you intend to cure.
Your current strategy is shine a mag light into the eyes of the focus blind and then what? “Your entire belief system is a lie, have a nice day”?
People still need someone to follow and it has to be an accessible human. “Follow ME as I follow Christ”.
(I sincerely hope there is something far greater awaiting those you aim to rescue when they start following you.)
Once you shine that light, there needs to be a beacon of love, hope and acceptance flashing in the distance so that those you have rescued may have something to stumble towards in the inevitable fallout and rejection that follows turning ones back on a super movement.
2)None on this site have the ability to take on monstrous movements. You are simply out-resourced and as you have surely noted via the comments, you aint saving anyone from the seas of ‘apostasy’ (thought you might like that word).
All you are currently doing is drawing like minded, somewhat frustrated, somewhat embittered allies who have zero fight left in them to vent(a healthy practice) and re-enforce their disillusionment and insecurities.
I assume your ambition with this site is to warn your target audience of danger and rescue them no?
Bring sight to the blind, set the captives free and all that?
Well, let us then on to:
3) Discipleship
What you need is a fresh army, armed to the teeth with your (indeed) version of the Gospel. A movement that sweeps across the nation and changes lives from house to house like in the new testament.
A movement that is propaganda free, despot free and, well, free. (no charge).
Something that allows you to breath the fresh, perfumed air of forgiveness and release.
Something so liberating that it breaks the chains of bitterness and opens the floodgates of your potential without fear of judgement, rejection or rebuke.
Now heed my words:
The targets of your frustration (Movement leaders) will never take your challenge seriously.
Nay, social engineering is the art of focus control and if the eye of Sauron looks in this direction then so too shall the minions. Any social engineer with half a brain knows that.
You are flatulating against a very powerful wind dear friends.
No super movement leader will engage you because bringing any kind of attention to you will cause division in their ranks.
Right now you are but one of a thousand voices shouting in the wind, ignored like the yapping noises of a hundred caged animals at the SPCA. You are nothing more than background noise, justified and explained away as fanatics, bitter all.
Now you might say; “But, but, God is on my side!” and I might agree (were I not a student of strategy).
Herewith the facts:
God sends rain down upon both the righteous and the unrighteous.
Gravity, lift and thrust work for Hitler as well as they worked for Christ – there is zero discrimination in the application of Gods physical, spiritual or natural laws.
The law of focus happens to be one of them: That upon which you focus becomes your master; To master your fellow man, be the architect of his focus.
(Social engineering 101).
This very same strategy can be found in the most powerful tactical command in the history of effective leadership.
“Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
The focus direction there is on the pure, unfettered teachings of Jesus – This is very effective social engineering.
“But I already have a home church”. If your Home church discusses things like the content of this blog, you are already lost. The words of Christ, not the weaknesses of man are the rock upon which His church is built.
Sort out the speck in your own eye, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling! get that part right, preach his love and you will see thousands flock from the super movement to join yours.
There has never and will never be a greater social engineer than God. His strategy is flawless.
Start home churches like crazy, we currently plant one a day with more than 80 000 across the world in 5 years with no brand and no leader other than each home church leader.
Whatever you focus upon becomes your master. Choose something with life. This blog reeks of death.
Right.
You would fall on your back if you knew what people pay for this stuff.
I offer it to you as a gift, use it, lose it, whatever.
Warm regards.
Eli
Dude
LOL and seriously, LOL,
>> If you wanted to find me in the Bible, you would probably call me ‘Eli’.
If I looked for you in the Bible I would probably find a character similar to yours called ‘Satan’
So what yer saying is…
Jesus must have especially lacked social engineering skills when he “..went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves (Matthew 21:12) or
his disciples must have lacked social engineering skills when Jesus told his disciples “…whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet. (Matthew 10:14)
Halllooooo there Debs!!!!!
I have read some of the comments regarding the article on At Boshoff.
It is a pity that some commentators accuse you of becoming personal yet in saying that and accusing you of that, unbeknown to them they have just transgressed the same offence instead of discussing the doctrine it becomes a personal issue.
What I find interesting is that Petrus mentioned that the Holy Spirit flows through the church on Sunday and it is so thick that one can feel it. The Bible teaches that we as the Bride of Christ is the Church and The Church is not made with brick and mortar.
When the Lord Jesus ascended to the right hand of the Father He said that He will leave His Holy Spirit to all believers who obey Him and that He in this regard will never leave or forsake us as His church. I am glad that I have the Holy Spirit in and with me all the time and that I do not have to go to the church to be filled. Biblically understood it is not the church that gives the Holy Spirit but God.
I am also thankful to the Lord that His promise is sufficient for me not having to go somewhere to get filled with the Spirit but that He will never leave or forsake me. (I can’t help but wonder what spirit it is that the believer is filled with at a church when the believer should already have the Spirit of the Lord .It can only be the Zeitgeist or the spirit of the age which also proclaims a doctrine foreign to that of the Lord Jesus.)
Admittedly I also was born again while in a cult of which CRC played a big role. But It was the conviction of God’s Word that saved me. Not the pastor. Not only that I was also saved out of it. One can only get saved out of a cult into the Body of the Lord Jesus.
I can understand the zeal Petrus has for studying further- the first love is something that must not cool down. Yet it is of concern what He will be studying and where.
The Bible was made for babes to understand and God will reveal it to the babes by His Spirit. You do not need Bible college especially CRC’ heresy.
What I find very concerning is that the arguments above do not address doctrine at all in regard to the topic at hand were it is abundantly clear that Mr. Boshoff contorts Scripture out of context to gain money from the people. Is this maybe because of a lack of knowledge or is it because of a delusion God has sent?
Tithing was a part of the law –Heb 7:5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:
Now if tithers want to go back under the law that is fine – but not with the Lord. These pastors constantly preach freedom from the Law yet they themselves put people back under that law with the burden of tithing – especially those who can really not afford it.
Tithing in the New Testament is mentioned with regard to the Temple which was still active in the time before the death and resurrection of the Lord.
The Lord Jesus Himself said when speaking about the destruction of the Temple that He will raise it up in three days – meaning His Body – eventually His people the Church alsol which is not made with brick and mortar. So if someone wants to give any sort of assistance to the Body or the Church give it to those in need – the Temple no longer exists – nore does tithing per definition of the Temple, but giving does.
I personally know MANY people who have lost a lot of money and have even been bankrupted due to this type of tithing heresy promoted by those who love money and worldliness which is an abomination to the Lord.
All I can pray for is that Petrus will study the Scriptures prayerfully to receive his own revelation and not that of someone who claims to receive the only revelation. Remember we all as believers are anointed to receive revelation and if your revelation is in line with the teachings of the Scriptures and not that of the pastor, you will have to make a choice between the pastor and the Holy Ghost.
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As for die Kleinhond – who seems to be supporting AT Boshoff’s departments of giving and faith is surely as a small dog barking up the wrong tree instead of looking at the Tree Of Life.
We are not saying that the “giving department????” must be neglected……If you have so much and can give more than 10% you should seriously consider it because the money is not yours at any rate all belongs to God. When you do give, give it to the Church which is the body of believers in need and to spend it on spreading the gospel, not the organization give it to the living bricks of the Body of the Lord who are in need. The living church is not an organization but an organism.
As for the faith remark – well I can only presume that it must mean that when you give you must sow in faith so you can receive a hundred fold back, especially if At Boshoff’s gospel is supported.
In the first instance this 100 fold back concerns believers who lost their homes, parents etc etc due to their faith in Christ. What they gained was a 100 fold parents, homes etc etc AND persecution . This means that they in a fashion of the universe, gained eternal homes and families while even being persecuted for their faith. They could enter any home of any believer and be received in love and have a home with a new born again family. This is still so today – or it should be – but I know of few believers today that will accommodate other believers – it is easier to give a tithe to enrich the organization and the pastor – yet the flock of the Lord is suffering – no wonder the Lord made the statement if He will find faith when he returns – speaking of faith!
Jesus said: Mar 10:29 And Jesus answered and said, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my sake, and the gospel’s, Mar 10:30 But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life. ( I prefer the Teaching of Jesus to that of the prosperity teachers who mean this means you will become rich – well then you will also have to have more literal natural mothers and fathers which is impossible funny the persecution part they never quote!)
Many people seem to think that their faith will bring them prosperity…..Mmmmm lets see……. I personally know believers who are currently being persecuted for their belief in Jesus……..I know MANY who have lost their lives for the Lord………currently as we sit so safely there are many being jailed, tortured and killed for their faith in the Lord. This is true faith – no prosperity in that is there?
Thinking that faith MUST bring prosperity is a phrase known as “Having faith in faith”
The word “prosperity” does not feature ONCE in the New Testament only Once do we find the word “prosper” and that is in 3 John where John greets Gauis and wishes him well in regards to his health, soul and living circumstances – but there is no proclamation to prosperity like Crefflo Dollar or At Boshoff etcetera has and promotes. (Ps 73 the rich will have their day of judgment There are more warnings in the Scripture to rich living than blessings.)
All I can say is that I pray that I trust that the people who have this type of distorted view of faith will think carefully about the Prophets of the Old Testament and the Apostles, disciples and believers of the New Testament up until now who made the ultimate sacrifice for their faith, by loosing their lives instead of prosperity and gaining worldliness.
Maybe Matthew, Paul, Peter, James etc etc who were martyred as well as The Lord Himself did not have the proper anointing in faith required as the new apostles, prophets, pastors of today???
It is enlightening to study the Hebrew word “Emunah” or even the Greek “Pisteo” in getting a very pure perspective of faith.
The faith proclaimed today is that the church will conquer and have the victory for the return of the Lord Jesus. Well the problem is that the Lord returns with the victorious church and not for a victorious church. ( Luk 12:36 And ye yourselves like unto men that wait for their lord, when he will return from the wedding; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately.) The Lord returns after the church has been raptured then He as the Ancient of days will restore everything.
In the above verse it is clear that a wedding takes place with the church before the Lord returns.
The Prophet Daniel describes this as follow:
Dan 7:18 But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.
But first:
The Antichrist must rule – by conquering the saints – Dan 7:21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them; (This is happening increasingly in our time as more and more believers are killed for their faith and godliness increases.)
The book of Revelation teaches us: Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
How will the Beast and the anti-Christ prevail against the saint and deceive them to follow him?
Dan 8:25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.
(The word for peace in this verse in the King James version and by Hebrew definition also means prosperity)
The New Testament says: 1Th 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
Rev 6:2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer. (This looks like Jesus on the white horse but it is not)
Ezekiel 13:10 -16 also warns of this.
Only after this: will the saints with the return from the wedding possess the Kingdom:
Dan 7:22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.
Only AFTER the Ancient of days come back will the victorious church possess the Kingdom.
To say that the victorious church has already possessed the kingdom of this world is Satanic understanding. Jesus said that His Kingdom is not of this world.
Believers who think that prosperity and possession of the kingdom is now are deceived and have failed the test and temptation Jesus overcame when tested by Satan.
Luk 4:5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.
Luk 4:6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.
Luk 4:7 If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine.
Luk 4:8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
Obedient believers are already part of the Kingdom – but it is not yet possessed by them. This is like a pregnant woman with a healthy baby in the womb. She is about to give birth to the child but the child is not out of the womb yet. The saints are sure of the possession but it will only happen when the Lord conquers Satan.
But let us stick with the topic – Look at what At says and what Jesus says – then decide who you would like to follow.
I know Who I will follow – definitely not At – I did at one stage – but the Lord fetched me and I know just by looking at the increase in lawlessness as Jesus said would happen that His Kingdom is to come and is not of this world.
Brilliant the stuff about social engineering.
Jesus must have lacked the skills of social engineering when he rebuked the pharisees and corrected Peter and others.
Luke, Paul, Peter James and John etcetera followed Jesus’s example in His lack of social engineering skills when they corrected, excamunicated warned and rebuked the false teachers and prophets so rife in the Bible.
Dude, Your comments confirm just how empty you are of Biblical truth and how full you are of yourself! Anyone who places any real value to your arguments in favour of social engineering with Jesus (as implied by your silly and unfounded comments) being one of the principal engineers, must be a space cadette like you my friend…
There are some of us who will continue praying for people like you who think their new age space cadette theories will save them. You are the one who should heed God’s call to repentance as opposed to the continuous belief you have placed in your so-called knowledge and social engineering expertise. I would love to debate you on your new age rubbish but unfortunately, like so many so-called hot-shots like you, this will not take place because they and I’m almost certain so will you, always find a reason not to turn up at scheduled meetings for the purpose, especially when you know that TV cameras and sound will be involved so as to ensure that the world gets to see just how great a fool one must be to believe what you believe, especially when compared to Biblical truth.
As you sit there behind your impressive desk trying hard to impress any audience with your stupidity which you call wisdom, know this my friend: One day soon, you will stand before His throne of judgment and your shaking knees shall also bow and acknowledge Him as God; unfortunately, unless you come to Biblical repentance sooner than now, it may then be too late for you. Stop glowing in your wisdom which in reality is no kore than self deception; stop trying to impress yourself with what you claim is truth for you; start a REAL research project and study the Bible (even if you do so to “prove” it as just another social engineering tool),and hopefully you will find (as many others have) that God is alive and well and He loves you so much that He does not want you to spend eternity without Him. Even if you were the only sinner that ever lived, He would still have paid the price He paid so that you can be saved.
Take a bite of this my friend and chew on it; come on.., let’s see if you have the guts you think (and want the world to believe) you have and consider this short unimpressive yet challenging note.