At Boshoff from CRC Church shows us how Pharisees went about ‘Honoring’ God
The recent invitation to debate sent to Mr. At Boshoff by Dion Knoesen was as a result of the below notice sent out by CRC, to their members and undersigned by Mr. Boshoff.
This notice was dated 16 November 2010 with the Subject: “Honour God”
We wish to state the reason for the intended debate with Mr. Boshoff. We hope to either persuade Mr. Boshoff to give heed to proper rendering of the Scriptures for his own benefit and also to benefit those who are under his shepherding.
1Ti 4:16 Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.
On the CRC website it s mentioned that Mr. Boshoff studied at “A Bible College” for three years fulltime. Unfortunately no name is given to this Bible College.
In the last paragraph on this webpage the it says the following:
“He has been described as focussed, passionate and fervent in his hunger for the Word of God and explosive in his dynamic teaching of it. His positively dynamic and practical messages are equaled in their refreshing relevancy to their bold authenticity and doctrinal accuracy. “
When looking exegetically into his notice “Honour God” we have to question his “authenticity and doctrinal accuracy.”
For informative purposes the quoted Scriptures by Mr. Boshoff is discussed below in RED
As Paul wrote:
Php 1:9 And this I pray, that your love may abound yet more and more in knowledge and in all judgment;
Php 1:10 That ye may approve things that are excellent; that ye may be sincere and without offence till the day of Christ;
Email sent out from CRC Church to it’s congregation:
From: CRC Christian Church
Sent: 16 November 2010 01:00 PM
Honour God
“Money is the answer to all things.” Ecc 10:19
The two most important books in your life are the Bible and your cheque “book”. The Bible is the revelation of God’s love for us and our cheque book is the revelation of our love for God.
In Joshua 7 we read about the only place where Israel failed when they crossed into the Promised Land. The only place where Israel suffered defeat because they tampered with the gold and silver (the devoted things) that belonged to God.
Your tithe is Holy to God. Lev 27:30. There are two principles that dominate throughout the Old and New Testament: First fruits get given first and; seed time and harvest. It is God’s purpose that should drive us to give.
In Acts 5 we read about Ananias and Sapphira that financially stood in the way of God’s purpose and suffered great calamity. God does not curse you; your actions open your life to either failure or success.
Does Jesus endorse tithing? Of course He does. In both Matt 23:23 and Luke 11:42; Jesus says that tithing should be the most basic thing. When you tithe you shouldn’t even see that 10 percent. It’s God’s. Also we read in Heb 7 that tithing was before the law. It was a part of the Abrahamic covenant that still exists and is fulfilled in Jesus. He tithed to Malchizedek (high priest) 430 years before before Moses came with the law.
Your allegiance, your tithe, should be given to the church where you are planted. Mal 3 speaks about the coming of Jesus and actually the Holy Spirit. In this we see that we should bring the tithe to the “storehouse” which is your church. Give to God what is God’s. It is God who should be honoured first because He is the source of all your income. Matt 22:17-21
We work to build the kingdom of God, we shouldn’t work to meet our own needs. People can frustrate the work of God by withholding resources. Let’s evaluate ourselves and rectify places where maybe we’ve neglected to honour God with our finances. If you start today it is never too late.
This past week-end we saw 470 people giving their lives to Jesus. We are here to possess the Promised Land. Thank you to every one of you for working hard throughout the year and inviting your world to CRC.
We had a fantastic harvest event in Cape Town last week. We saw the entire auditorium filled to the max. Ps. Aidan and Sharon are doing a great work in that city. I believe many good things are still heading our way in Cape Town.
They have begun to lay the foundations for the Pretoria Building Project. We are so excited to see how things come together as we follow the instructions of God. As we are now in the time when we have to pay the contractors large sums of money every month, I urge you to give the money you pledged or whatever extra the Holy Spirit lays on your heart.
If you still want to contribute please e-mail finance[at]crc.org.za
The Kids’ Party is only a week away. Please take part in this as we are going to make the day special for over 15 000 underprivileged children. If you would like to volunteer or make a donation please contact 051-xxx xxxx.
Be Blessed,
At Boshoff
A Critique on how to “Honor God” written by At Boshoff – Critique notes in red
“Money is the answer to all things.” Ecc 10:19 (Undersigned by At Boshoff)
[Note: It is utterly disappointing to notice that Eccl. 10:19 is cited and interpreted in the way At Boshoff has done so in his notice to the congregation at CRC.
When reading what King Solomon wrote in the book of Ecclesiastes the basic understanding and proper rendering of the Scripture quoted is in fact quite the opposite, as indicated here by Mr. Boshoff.
The passage in context from the first verse (In fact the first chapter of Ecclesiastes) has to do with what the foolish do and the evils resulting from their actions in this world, which also includes verse 10.
Solomon’s message is one of vanity to all that are under the sun, which includes “Money is the answer to all things” What Solomon actually means in writing this is that man’s trust in money which according to man answers all things, is vanity. Their trust and security should be in God and not in money.
It is vanity of fools who rely on their money for all things instead of God.
Psa 62:8 Trust in him at all times; ye people, pour out your heart before him: God is a refuge for us. Selah.
Psa 62:9 Surely men of low degree are vanity, and men of high degree are a lie: to be laid in the balance, they are altogether lighter than vanity.
Psa 62:10 Trust not in oppression, and become not vain in robbery: if riches increase, set not your heart upon them.
Psa 62:11 God hath spoken once; twice have I heard this; that power belongeth unto God.
Mar 10:24 And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them, Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God!
1Ti 6:17 Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy;
1Ti 6:18 That they do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to distribute, willing to communicate;
1Ti 6:19 Laying up in store for themselves a good foundation against the time to come, that they may lay hold on eternal life
Why do so many pastors not put their faith in God but rather exploit the people, after all they are always accusing those who do not have money as being without faith – yet when they need the money they rely on the people instead of their faith??
The Bible does not teach that money should not be used to preach the Gospel and to support brethren (not organisations) in the body of Christ – it is very obvious that mammon should be befriended for this purpose.
But to contort Scripture in this manner shows doctrinal ignorance – hopefully – that rather done so on purpose.]
The two most important books in your life are the Bible and your cheque “book”. The Bible is the revelation of God’s love for us and our cheque book is the revelation of our love for God. (Undersigned by At Boshoff)
[Note: Where is this revelation in the Bible, that our cheque book is the revelation of our love for God??
The revelation I find is that our love for the Lord Jesus, is to keep His commandments not the love of filthy lucre. Our love is manifested in our obedience to Him, our trust in Him alone not in mammon and riches.
There are only two important books and that is the Bible and having your name written in the Book of Life.]
In Joshua 7 we read about the only place where Israel failed when they crossed into the Promised Land. The only place where Israel suffered defeat because they tampered with the gold and silver (the devoted things) that belonged to God. (Undersigned by At Boshoff)
[Note: Ouch!!! First of all it was not Israel who “tampered with the gold and silver” but one man named Achan the son of Camri who had stolen some of the spoils of looted booty of Jericho. (This also had nothing to do with his own money, silver or gold or any of his personal belongings which is referred to here Mr. Boshoff in quoting Joshua 7 for gaining money from New Testament congregants.)
Yes, Israel as a corporate entity was punished as result of the theft by Achan, but it had absolutely nothing to do with the personal wealth individuals were given by God, which were then somehow to the interpretation of this part of Scripture withheld from God.
Firstly this was in disobedience to God, because God placed a ban on personal gain from the looted goods.
Secondly theft was the cause of the punishment – taking things not given to you by God.
Thirdly it was the covetousness of Achan that was addressed in the punishment. Covetousness is what God warns us against throughout the Scriptures.
A reminder: The Bible does not teach that money should not be used to preach the Gospel and to support brethren (not organisations) in the body of Christ – it is very obvious that mammon should be befriended for this purpose.
But to contort Scripture in this manner shows doctrinal ignorance – hopefully – that rather done so on purpose.
To be under the shepherding of someone who does not understand context and doctrine or does understand context and twists it out of context, is not promoted by Scripture:
1Ti 4:16 Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.]
Your tithe is Holy to God. Lev 27:30. There are two principles that dominate throughout the Old and New Testament: First fruits get given first and; seed time and harvest. It is God’s purpose that should drive us to give. (Undersigned by At Boshoff)
[Note: Some more doctrines lacking regarding the tithe very applicable to the Old Testament. Using this one verse for the purpose of tithing is not sufficient and there were many tithing’s applicable not just one. To understand this tithe there were basically 4 types of tithing in the Old Testament ONLY
a) The tithe to the Levites. Deut.14: 27.
The Levites were the “government” of Israel and due to them not having a share in the land allocated to the rest of the tribes, those allocated land were to use of their produce to give to the Levites.
b) The tithe of the Levites to the Zadokites. Neh.10: 38.
Now this is where Malachi is used to place unnecessary burdens on believers today.
First of all, tithings were purely laws given in the Torah or Old Testament. So commanding and condemning people to tithe today by quoting Malachi 10, is basically going back to the Torah or the Law, putting congregants back under the law.
Secondly the Scriptures used below to state that Jesus endorses tithing are totally out of context with regard to tithing and God’s Word in fact it refers to this as works by the Pharisees to justify themselves, something God loathes. In Fact God says woe to them that tithe! – will explain when we discuss these passages.
Thirdly when Malachi 3:10 is read and understood in context it refers to the tithe in a) above, the tithe in Deut 14:27 which was received from the tribes and given to the Levites. The Levites in turn were to skim off a tithe from this tithe (Neh10:38) to give to the priests attending to temple duties. So it was the Levites who were robbing God not the people.
It is interesting when reading the “Works Of Josephus” the Sadducees were the rich of the day who were using the tithes to enrich themselves. Josephus admits to this as he himself was a Sadducee.
Historically it is proven that the Sadducees were extremely rich due to the financial contributions by ordinary people who were forced to pay tribute.
There is no new thing under the son. Today’s Sadducees and Pharisees apply the same rule. The flock enriches them as result of their own rendering and contortions of Scripture.
The clergy were robbing God of tithes not the people, hence the rebuke to them in Malachi 10.
Have any of the Malachi 10 promoters ever read the following to any of their congregations?
Mic 3:10 They build up Zion with blood, and Jerusalem with iniquity.
Mic 3:11 The heads thereof judge for reward, and the priests thereof teach for hire, and the prophets thereof divine for money: yet will they lean upon the LORD, and say, Is not the LORD among us? none evil can come upon us.
Mic 3:12 Therefore shall Zion for your sake be plowed as a field, and Jerusalem shall become heaps, and the mountain of the house as the high places of the forest.
The third type of tithe:
c) The tithe toward the annual Holy Days. Deut. 14: 22 – 26.
3 Times a year the Israelites were to attend Holy Feasts at Jerusalem and for this they needed to set aside a tithe of their harvests etc. If they were too far from Jerusalem they could sell the targeted tithed articles and turn it into money. This they would spend upon themselves and the Levites once they arrive in Jerusalem.
d) The tithe to the less fortunate. Deut.14: 28 – 29.
This is also a tithe to obviously assist the needy in the Old Testament.
Although a tithe in the New Testament is never mentioned in this regard there are many Scriptures which clearly say that the needy ought to be cared for.
When one searches for the word “Tithe” in the New Testament there are two references one in Matt. 23:23 and the other in Luke 11:42 which notably is quoted by Mr. Boshoff and will be discussed.]
In Acts 5 we read about Ananias and Sapphira that financially stood in the way of God’s purpose and suffered great calamity. God does not curse you; your actions open your life to either failure or success. (Undersigned by At Boshoff)
[Note: Who is man that he is able to stand in the way of God’s purpose? Is God dependant on man?
Psa 8:3 When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained;
Psa 8:4 What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him?
It is agreeable that one’s actions open you to success or failure, but to use Acts 5 as yardstick for failure and success is totally out of context.
I know of many people struggling financially who humbly adores God and has extreme credence in the Lord Jesus, but who realize that their own actions caused their calamity. Those being poor and suffering financially in this life without rejecting the Lord Jesus who are willing to endure to the end will be first in the Kingdom.
Although there are certain quotations by the MHCC I do not fully agree with the MHCC renders the following understanding with regard to Ananias and Sapphira which I could not have worded better:
The sin of Ananias and Sapphira was, that they were ambitious of being thought eminent disciples, when they were not true disciples. Hypocrites may deny themselves, may forego their worldly advantage in one instance, with a prospect of finding their account in something else. They were covetous of the wealth of the world, and distrustful of God and his providence. They thought they might serve both God and mammon. They thought to deceive the apostles. The Spirit of God in Peter discerned the principle of unbelief reigning in the heart of Ananias. But whatever Satan might suggest, he could not have filled the heart of Ananias with this wickedness had he not been consenting. The falsehood was an attempt to deceive the Spirit of truth, who so manifestly spoke and acted by the apostles. The crime of Ananias was not his retaining part of the price of the land; he might have kept it all, had he pleased; but his endeavouring to impose upon the apostles with an awful lie, from a desire to make a vain show, joined with covetousness. But if we think to put a cheat upon God, we shall put a fatal cheat upon our own souls. How sad to see those relations who should quicken one another to that which is good, hardening one another in that which is evil! And this punishment was in reality mercy to vast numbers. It would cause strict self-examination, prayer, and dread of hypocrisy, covetousness, and vain-glory, and it should still do so. It would prevent the increase of false professors. Let us learn hence how hateful falsehood is to the God of truth, and not only shun a direct lie, but all advantages from the use of doubtful expressions, and double meaning in our speech.]
Does Jesus endorse tithing? Of course He does. In both Matt 23:23 and Luke 11:42; Jesus says that tithing should be the most basic thing. When you tithe you shouldn’t even see that 10 percent. It’s God’s. Also we read in Heb 7 that tithing was before the law. It was a part of the Abrahamic covenant that still exists and is fulfilled in Jesus. He tithed to Malchizedek (high priest) 430 years before before Moses came with the law. (Undersigned by At Boshoff)
[Note: Is Mr. Boshoff rightfully dividing the Word here?
To understand Matthew 23:23 effectively one needs to read from verse 1!
These were the Words of the Lord Jesus Himself. The Lord Jesus was warning against the Pharisees and rebuked them for putting credence or weight to their tithes. The Lord Jesus says in Matthew 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
The Lord Jesus most certainly does not say that tithing is the most basic thing in this Scripture. In fact He says woe to those that tithe and ignore the important things that God wants. The Lord Jesus in fact says that it is NOT the most basic thing. He says the “weightier” matters are more basic than the tithe.
Luke 11:42 Again out of context and basically the same rebuke goes out to the Pharisees who promoted and relied on tithing as the basic thing at the time of the Temple in Jerusalem.
I do not find: “Jesus says that tithing should be the most basic thing” What I do find is another rebuke to the Pharisees and Scribes who felt very secure in basic tithing: Luk 11:42 But woe unto you, Pharisees! For ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
What I have found in CRC when I used to go there was that they were promoting security in tithing, but the more important and weightier matters such as keeping the Lords commandments in our love for Him, I personally never heard in any sermon by Mr. Boshoff.
Is this not precisely why the Lord Jesus in His Word rebukes the Pharisees?
In Matthew 23:23 and Luke 11:42 the focus is more on the “weightier” matters than the tithe.
A very repetitive part of Scripture used by Mr. Boshoff is Hebrews 7
Gen: 14:18: And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the highest God.
Gen: 14:19: And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth:
Gen: 14:20: And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.
This is to “prove” that tithing was established before the time of Moses, the Torah or law and that tithes have to be given to the priest. To find out what the Melchizedek tithe meant one has to not only read this passage, but also read on to verses 22 & 23.
From verse 18 – 20 it is clear that this was not Abraham’s belongings which were tithed, but rather the booty or loot he had gathered from conquering the enemy.
Gen:14:22: And Abram said to the king of Sodom, I have lift up mine hand unto the LORD, the most high God, the possessor of heaven and earth,
Gen: 14:23: That I will not take from a thread even to a shoe latchet, and that I will not take any thing that is thine, lest thou shouldest say, I have made Abram rich:
Although he gave away 10% of the booty, he stated that he did not even want any of it, because it was not his.
It is also interesting to note that this was a ONCE OFF event, which never took place again.
Ninety percent and more of Scripture quoted for the purposes of pleading for tithes are taken out of context today. God says let few be teachers, because those teachers teaching the flock will be held accountable for what they teach.
A reminder: The Bible does not teach that money should not be used to preach the Gospel and to support brethren (not organisations) in the body of Christ – it is very obvious that mammon should be befriended for this purpose.
But to contort Scripture in this manner shows doctrinal ignorance – hopefully – that rather done so on purpose.
James:3:1: My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation.]
Your allegiance, your tithe, should be given to the church where you are planted. Mal 3 speaks about the coming of Jesus and actually the Holy Spirit. In this we see that we should bring the tithe to the “storehouse” which is your church. Give to God what is God’s. It is God who should be honoured first because He is the source of all your income. Matt 22:17-21 (Undersigned by At Boshoff)
[Note: Reading Mal 10 from verse 1 rather suggests that the audience addressed by God were the priests as already discussed. The “storehouse” is definitely not the New Testament church. The New Testament church is the bride of Christ and not a building built with brick and mortar.]
We work to build the kingdom of God, we shouldn’t work to meet our own needs. People can frustrate the work of God by withholding resources. Let’s evaluate ourselves and rectify places where maybe we’ve neglected to honour God with our finances. If you start today it is never too late.
[Note: The Lord Jesus calls for heed to doctrine rather than finances and I do hope that Mr. Boshoff would rather be obedient to the Lord in the weightier matters.]
This past week-end we saw 470 people giving their lives to Jesus. We are here to possess the Promised Land. Thank you to every one of you for working hard throughout the year and inviting your world to CRC.
[Note: Figures do not impress God. One such an example is: Exo 23:2 Thou shalt not follow a multitude to do evil; neither shalt thou speak in a cause to decline after many to wrest judgment:
Mat 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.
The quote Mr. Boshoff uses in Matthew 23 was discussed already and to conclude, using this verse as a basis for endorsing tithing is basically in support of what the Pharisees promoted – That Mr. Boshoff is teaching here and to the congregation is absolutely the same what the Pharisees were doing.
What is important however and of grave concern, are the proselytes made by CRC. This is also found in Matthew 23 the chapter in which the verse occurs that Mr. Boshoff uses to preach the diametric opposite to what the Lord Jesus says in this chapter: Mat 23:15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
Mat 23:16 Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor!
Mat 23:17 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold?]
We had a fantastic harvest event in Cape Town last week. We saw the entire auditorium filled to the max. Ps. Aidan and Sharon are doing a great work in that city. I believe many good things are still heading our way in Cape Town.
[Note: I suppose it is not worth mentioning all those pastors and lay persons who have left CRC and would like to see Mr. Boshoff repent of his ways.]
They have begun to lay the foundations for the Pretoria Building Project. We are so excited to see how things come together as we follow the instructions of God. As we are now in the time when we have to pay the contractors large sums of money every month, I urge you to give the money you pledged or whatever extra the Holy Spirit lays on your heart.
If you still want to contribute please e-mail finance@crc.org.za
The Kids’ Party is only a week away. Please take part in this as we are going
to make the day special for over 15 000 underprivileged children. If you would like to volunteer or make a donation please contact 051-525 2883.
[Note: It is agreeable that feeding under privileged Children is a very good work, yet the concern remains what these poor children are being fed spiritually when such doctrine as discussed here is being preached.
Hitler once said that if the hearts of the children are won, the next generation will be won.
It is also fact the “Church” of Rome has built a multitude of schools and hospitals and proclaims ex-Cathedra that winning the minds of children before age 7 will ensure that they will be won permanently for the Mother “Church”. I see the same happening at CRC so feeding children is an outward appearance coaxing them into a greater deception of being taught wrong doctrine
Remember what James wrote; if the correct faith is dead the works mean nothing.
It is the correct doctrine that will ensure the correct faith – this is why the works may be more detrimental to the children in the longer term.]
FOOLS!!!!!!!!
I can only imagine that is someone from CRC, lol – 3 guesses anyone?
no rebuttel this time Deborah …….. LOL
@ “FOOLS”
Actually the statement that all authority is from God should not be thrown around so carelessly. There are many many many false ministries made of false pastors, false evangelists, false prophets, false apostles, and false people. Jesus even warns us about this and we are instructed to test everything and to use discernment. The “authority” behind these false minsistries is only satan himself….sent to deceive the very elect…..and NOT God. And these false ministers who are preaching another gospel are going to have to answer to Jesus, and He may very possibly say “get away from me you evildoers, for I do not know you…..” (Mattthew 7 vs 22). The prosperity gospel is another gospel, it is not the true and pure gospel of Jesus Christ.
If nobody blows the trumpet to warn people and expose deception, then people’s spiritual wellbeing could be in danger!
I am sure that CRC also does a lot of good as they have a focus on saving the lost at any cost, and they do have some charity involvement. But at the same time if there is deception in a ministry then it means that there is some involvement of evil spirual forces because satan is the master of deception……and this is where people’s spiritual wellbeing is in danger.
Why doesnt CRC accept the offer of public debate by Dion Knoesen?
Chances are all three guesses will be right… since the name is plural?…
Hi Debs!.. so good to see you
Robbie
Yes, I am happy to see me too 😉 although not totally ok 🙁
@ “FOOLS”
Another thought…..If you were oppressed under the leadership of Hitler, Robert Mugabe, or Idiamin, and your very life was in danger, would you still submit because of your belief that “all authority is from God”?
Where does the authority of other religious leaders such as the prophet Mohammed, the leaders of the Jehova’s Witnesses, and the Hindu swamis come from?
In my opinion, it is not where you worship God that is important, it is whether you are truely saved.
I don’t think any Church out there is 100% perfect, not one. I am a committed CRC member and very proud to say it. I tith, i give my offering, i give my plege. I believe in sowing a seed and i have many times experienced the wonder of return.
CRC is the only church were i truly found God. Where i felt the presence of God. I have had my doubts, but it was because of slanderers. I do not serve people, pastors or anyone. I serve God with my deeds, my money and my time. I believe that GOD sees our hearts and He knows our deeds. LET HIM DEAL WITH WHOMEVER IS MISLEADING PEOPLE.
So i should wander looking for the perfect church then?? NOBODY ON THIS CHURCH IS PERFECT, NOBODY. SO LET HIM THAT IS WITHOUT SIN THROW THE FIRST STONE. GOD IS THE ONLY JUDGE.
correction, nobody on this EARTH is perfect.
Anon. The god of this world is Satan (otherwise how could he have offered it to the Messiah) but he cannot do anything unless he runs past God. God allows it but I am not sure that I would use the word authority rather than allowing it.
False religions like Judaism and Islam and murderous leaders like Hitler and Malema come from Satan as he is their god.
2Cor 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
FOOLS!!!!!!!
If a pastor is wrong, we are exhorted to correct him once or twice and if he does not change then we must walk away from him. Jude 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
How can you say that people on this site will never amount to anything, do you know us and our successes?
Your anger gets the best of you, the truth hurts doesn’t it!
Exposing heresy is not “Slander”, it is required of us. 2Cor 6:15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
If I was Deborah, I would look forward to the day when she has to “give account for the words she has written on this blog”. Most people just sit back and let Satan have his way! As Burcke said, “For evil to triumph all it takes is for good men to do nothing.”
Thank you for saying “You guys are all such a sad bunch of people!!!” because this proves that this blog is succeeding, otherwise there would only be praises; as Scripture says, people will hate us because of Jesus.”
If you have nothing positive to say then shut up (there are 11 negative things in your rant!) Since when are people to say only positive things, that is psychobabel; it is positive to confront heresy and evil!
Hi Deborah.
What is the reason that all of my recent comments have never been published? Everything that I said is Scriptural.
Hi Debs. Long time no talk, but trust you are much better.
While reading throught the comments I noticed that Charlotte Cronk was mentioned. “Big Mama” Charlotte and her son John (now deceased) came to Mafikeng about 10 years or so ago and tried to start a “church” here. After her son passed away, Charlotte seemed to move on and nothing more was heard of her. Their message was very much prosperity oriented (“everybody loves a new car” was one of John’s slogans), but I think they found Mafikeng to be “slim pickings” because Rhema and Hatfield affiliate branches (a less charitable colleague of mine calls them franchises) had already been here since the early eighties and ninties.
I am commenting because the cancer discussed above i.e.the prosperity doctrine ( and its attendant ” dont touch the Lord’s anointed” garbage) is doing very well here. The latest I hear is that the pastor at one of the “branches” is not satified with a wooden pulpit and is insisting on a perspex one. He (a new boy on the show) also wants the church to replace his Corolla with a Merc. And so it goes.
We discussed this at Bible study and I am becoming more and more convinced that if only people would take the time to read their Bibles they would not have to take or would not ever be taken in by this rubbish. I cannot understand why so many Christians are willing to have a second hand relationship with their Lord.
I hold no brief for Eugene Peterson’s Message,(indeed I have problems with many parts of his paraphrase), but the sentiments he expresses in the introduction to his book, that many church going professing Christians couldn’t be less interested in the Bible seems to be correct.
I wonder what the solution is ? The prosperity cancer seems therefore to be a self imposed doctrinal disease – and of course it is so, so attractive.
Before I send this, one further question. One of the previous contributors said (if I remember correctly), that new translations of the Bible are not to be trusted for some reason or another. Accepting that paraphrases are exactly that i.e. paraphrases (and dangerous in their possible effect because a doctrinal belief can so easily be incorporated and propogated therin), I have always thought that the recent (last 70 years or so) discoveries of both old and new testament manuscripts have assisted in the translation of the original text. I therefore have no problem with my New American Standard Bible and I find the Amplified useful.
Should I be using the King James Version ? And if so, why?
Regards
John
PS Debs: Don’t think AT and co. do tuna and viennas do you ?
HI Debs
havent chatte din a while and just checked in again. i see you mentioned in one of the posts above that you can give contact details of someone in Bloem. Can I have it as well? Thanks!
dont worry! found Chris from Bfn!
Ok………. Dion or what ever your name is, if you think you are so hollier that all of us ” wolves in sheep skin” then I would like to see you try and do what MY PASTOR (and I dare call him that) does. I love Pastor Att and Nyeretta and I stand firmly for what they belive in . Im glad that those of you who claimed to be victims have left our mists. You may condemn all you want, Its your right but do not publicly humiliate someones husband, someone’s father in public like that. Tell me, should you have this debate with PASTOR ATT (how sweet that sounds) will Jesus himself come down to pick the winner? NO! Give it up, My Pastor, is too busy doing the work of God, than to have to dance to the beat of the likes of you. As for the one who accused the pastor’s son of wanting to attack him…. LOL Ja! that was a good one, you must be really tinny for david to scare you or a really Gigantic liar. So I will tell you whats going to happen: You guys are going to continue to put our church down and make us look bad, then we are going to continue Lifting up Gods name and winning souls and building family churches (one Church many locations).
Anon, God will send a delusion to those who do not obey and keep to the truth. Look at how many places in the Scriptures God sends lying spirits etcetera to judge and test people. When these tests come the ignorant will not be aware that God Himself has sent a delusion, a lying spirit etcetera. I suppose that they would most probably rebuke or “bind” these spirits in the name of the Lord while the Lord actually sent them.
If At Boshoff was so enlightened with so much revelation knowledge as he himself claims to have as well as all his supporters, why doesn’t he take up the challenge to debate publically.
It is obvious from his teachings of which the one on tithing here is proof of his being unlearned in the Scriptures. In 1 Corinthians 14:24 the Greek word for unlearned is “Idiotes” In English “Idiot”.
In 2 Peter 3:16 the word for unlearned in Greek is “Amathes” meaning unskilled, illiterate. The obvious synonym to this refers to “Idiotes” once again.
Now we have to wonder who the “Fools” are………..Mmmmmmmmm????
I have personally been rescued by the Ministry of CRC, the church is doing wonders in South Africa and I will be a fool to allow some disgruntled people who will not submit anywhere to have influence on me. Ps At is called by God and jealousy has gripped you guys. Call me blind or anything, but had this man not obeyed the call of God in his life, I don’t think I would be where I am now. I hope you guys will pray, repent and be planted under some recognised leadership and will really submit that under that ministry to win souls other than sitting in your offices and spewing vile ‘mgozi’ about Pastor At Boshoff, God bless u.
CRC is changing lives of people and a sanctuary for the lost and saints, growing exponentially and building structure all over the place. I think Pastor Boshoff must be doing something right and if there are mistakes,did you take time to pray for him,or is your self righteous doctrine so important that everyone can go to hell. And hey, how many church members does this ‘ministry of mgozi’ have? I thought so.
do these “men of God” do this deliberately? do they really plan on deceiving people or are they merely deceived themselves? CRC sounds like an Old Testament Levitical Priesthood set-up
@FOOLS! * did you know that the Word of God warns us from calling one another that?
Murder Begins in the Heart
Matthew5:21 “You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder, and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment.’ 22 But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, ‘Raca!’ shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, ‘You fool!’ shall be in danger of hell fire.
**FOOL* I beg of you to discern and to test all spirits, the truth shall set you free and PLEASE DO NOT LEAD PEOPLE ASTRAY in your preaching/leading of them. Repent now before it is too late! please!-does it feel good to take from poor people and enrich yourselves? does it feel good to expect people to give until it hurts? ***the widow with the 2 mites…is such an amazing place in the bible where Jesus first rebukes the Pharisees for taking from widows THEN in the next chapter – Jesus watches over the offering and sees the Pharisees doing it again…lets read that piece of scripture in context can we? Jesus ends off in saying that the widow gave MORE than all the Pharisees because she gave everything then it ends right there. It seems as though many preachers love using that scripture in order to justify themselves stealing from poor people. like you say Dion – it is sad!
I notice something interesting in the CRC slogan “win the lost at any cost” ….ANY cost….pretty scary because I read the Word in Acts 2:46 So continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, they ate their food with gladness and simplicity of heart, 47 praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily those who were being saved.
^notice: the Lord added….no one was forced, begged, coaxed or dragged!
Keep it simple and preach the truth!
be blessed folk and let us search the scriptures under the guidance of the Holy Ghost at all times!
Hi, I found that this is the only web that expose the wrongs in CRC and its teaching as far as I know. I live in London, UK. Someone I know goes to CRC London. At that time, we were friends (not anymore, sadly)and challenged him with what I found ‘questionable’. He took it serious in the first place but later on seemed to judge that I was just dividing the body of Christ. The church is big and lots of young people (20-30s). The worship music was just like a ‘gig’. They rent a cinema in a dome for Sunday service. Nobody around me was opening the Bible (it was so dark so you cannot read the Bible anyway because it is cinema). I accessed to their sermons. It is not entirely wrong but there is hardly any explanation of context of the bible they are talking about. I can smell ‘word faith theology’ here and there. As almost no context, I am confused what this preacher wanted to say from the scriptures. They focus on the number of people (the physical size of the church) under the banner of ‘reach the lost at any cost’. But I wonder if they really come to the Lord with genuine understanding of the salvation (not just being saved from financial or relational problems). I just don’t understand including this guy, why so many 20-30, even 40 single Christian people are attracted to this church regardless of such a poor teaching. I posted my honest comment of confusion on their sermon online, they always immediately put a comment like ‘this preaching is life changing’ or ‘awesome preaching’ with many stars to rate higher….but again, no explanation or comment how awesome from the Bible what so ever……..I just want to ask you guys….why so many young people are attracted to such a church based on a wrong / poor teaching??? I now they say like ‘dream big because God is big’ or ‘be positive to get your life positive and successful’. Sounds it is not entirely wrong, but living in this end time, ‘success’ is not physical…..You may not get promoted, you may lose things that you used to afford but He takes us to the spiritual place where we couldn’t see in the life surrounded by stuff. Am I wrong? I wanted to see more sermons in this church but there is no public access to the teaching resources unless you register to this church…..I don’t understand why they do this, though……anyway, I smell something fishy from this church but no one says anything and seems very attractive to those young professionals. Is this the same in South Africa?
Well, I am glad I found this website. I now will no longer feel guilty about not wanting to attend any church.
I have belonged to two church groups in my 43 years of life and in both cases the relationship ended badly, leaving me doubting my Father’s love.
Consequently, I have avoided regular church attendance for over 10 years now.
Fortunately, these bad incidents did not turn me away from the Lord, but certainly from church organisations.
Thank-you for this insight into what is happening in churches today…
Khosi, please look at the origin opf this topic. Do you agree how At Boshoff contorts the Scripture as he did above?
Our war is not against flesh and blood but against the spiritual messages being spoken.
At Boshoff is a deciever!
I have just learnt of another of his pastors this morning who has jumped off this CRC Titanic headed for disaster.
The Bible is clear – it is not about quantity by aboutl doctrinal quality. You will know them by their fruits and their fruits is not quantity – go read Galatians.
Read Matthew 23 – like the pharisees make converts twice the sons of the devil so does AT Boshoff. They like to be seen in the market places, they like to sit in the front rows of the synagogue in reserved seats.
Yes, we do pray God to have mercy on At, but we do not support his devilish doctrine. We will however accept him as a brother after he repents – God willing.
Chris
Chris!!! Please phone me. I never answered the last time cos my dog chewed my cell phone as flat as a pancake (wish I was joking). So I could see you calling but I could not answer the phone lol. I’m using my husbands phone now, but I can’t access my contacts – so you need to phone me 🙂 dankie dankie thank you.
[Edited: Thank you for calling. Yippeee]
Paul
I’ve been ill for a good 3 months 🙂 and have not been approving comments. But I am back now, and your comments have been approved.
Michel, This website is not for convincing you don’t have to go to church. You should be a part of church. I imagine you get hurt in church from some sort of conflict or offence, but it is at the same time the process we learn ‘how to love’. Of course you need to be careful if the church teaches the Bible properly and accurately, otherwise you will be misled and lose the truth. We are all imperfect. We sometimes step on other’s foot. But the Bible says; forgive, as Christ forgave us. It is sometimes hard and we tend to claim our ‘justice’. But Christ helps us to move from justice to mercy. I pray that you find a good Bible teaching church you can enjoy. However, do not get me wrong. Again, we need to address errors and stick to what is right in the Bible. Judgment is nothing wrong, though it doesn’t mean pointing your finger at somebody to slander or damage. You need to judge if it is safe before crossing the road, don’t you? You would warn your friend not to cross the road when a car is coming to hit him? We all need to judge…otherwise we keep being run over by cars!
Going back to ‘church’, all believers are consisting of a body of Christ. We are the church. I have an experience that I got hurt from a brother who goes to church with a wrong doctrine but attracted to their social cultures (namely, CRC). I pointed out some wrongs and dangers in their teachings but he really couldn’t get my point. He also didn’t (doesn’t?) Know Christian principle of ‘relationships’ either because no body taught him. It is in a sense understandable because he doesn’t get proper, deeper teaching of the Bible in the environment where the church mainly teach only work hard for church and be always positive to be successful for the church to be physically big. I was so sad to see this brother grabs everything appeals to his eyes including secular ideas due to lack of spiritual equipment. I have been praying for him. At the same time, I repented my wrongs as well. I struggled to forgive him with what he did although he apologized after pointing out what was wrong. I won’t go for the details because I decided to love him continually though I have lost the friendship due to this. Love covers the multitudes of sins. I decided not to bring what so ever he did anymore and see him as if nothing happened, which actually, I have done today. Love is dying to ourselves, which exactly Jesus Christ did for us.
You need fellowship with fellow Christians to support you. And someone will need you for help. We need to serve and build up each other. I put some scriptures that will help you to understand this need.
Philippians 2:1-4 “If therefore there is any encouragement in Christ, if there is any consolation of love, if there is any fellowship of the Spirit, if any affection and compassion, make my joy complete by being of the same mind, maintaining the same love, united in spirit, intent on one purpose, Do nothing from selfishness or empty conceit, but with humility of mind let each of you regard one another as more important than himself; do not merely look out for your own personal interests, but also for the interests of others.”
Hebrews 10:24-25 “And let us consider how to stimulate one another to love and good deeds, not forsaking our own assembling together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another, and all the more, as you see the day drawing near.” (Hebrews 10:24-25)
Ephesians 4:29-32 Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen. And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, brawling and slander, along with every form of malice. Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you.
Probervs 27:17 As iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another.
Proverbs 18:1 A man who isolates himself seeks his own desire; He rages against all wise judgment.
You can take time as much as you like to search for a church. I pray that you will be healed from the hurt and can walk again with Him. Satan will laugh when we are deceived to believe we don’t have to go to church. We all need to be in the body. We need to learn how to forgive. If you pray to Jesus, He will help you what you should do and guide you to the right church, He will. Some churches are deceived badly and all churches are exposed to this deception to one extent to another. That’s why we need to be equipped with good Bible knowledge so that we can easily detect the false. And we need to belong to the body of Christ to be fully functioned and exercise and experience His love.
Hope this helps.
With love and prayer.
Mo
Deborah.
Sorry, I read of your illness after I posted my comment about not approving them. Just happy that your ar well now.
Thanks and Nooooo Problem Paul 🙂
Chris wrote:
How many people out there are going to hell whilst we christians play our “perfect religion” games, Pastor Boshoff is on the right track, he is populating heaven at the expense of hell, and yes that sounds more like Christianity to me. Your efforts to discredit this man of God will not work, discern your own hearts and make right b4 its late.
Kgosi, Again who must I believe At Boshoff or the Lord Jesus Christ! Look at the doctrine aboove which your dear pastor teaches the opposite of what Jesus and the Apostles taught. Who is wrong At Boshoff, Peter, Paul or the Lord Jesus………Mmmmmmmmm?
Go study the Bible and find out who brings the truth and sound revelation.
May God be with you