At Boshoff from CRC Church shows us how Pharisees went about ‘Honoring’ God
The recent invitation to debate sent to Mr. At Boshoff by Dion Knoesen was as a result of the below notice sent out by CRC, to their members and undersigned by Mr. Boshoff.
This notice was dated 16 November 2010 with the Subject: “Honour God”
We wish to state the reason for the intended debate with Mr. Boshoff. We hope to either persuade Mr. Boshoff to give heed to proper rendering of the Scriptures for his own benefit and also to benefit those who are under his shepherding.
1Ti 4:16 Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.
On the CRC website it s mentioned that Mr. Boshoff studied at “A Bible College” for three years fulltime. Unfortunately no name is given to this Bible College.
In the last paragraph on this webpage the it says the following:
“He has been described as focussed, passionate and fervent in his hunger for the Word of God and explosive in his dynamic teaching of it. His positively dynamic and practical messages are equaled in their refreshing relevancy to their bold authenticity and doctrinal accuracy. “
When looking exegetically into his notice “Honour God” we have to question his “authenticity and doctrinal accuracy.”
For informative purposes the quoted Scriptures by Mr. Boshoff is discussed below in RED
As Paul wrote:
Php 1:9 And this I pray, that your love may abound yet more and more in knowledge and in all judgment;
Php 1:10 That ye may approve things that are excellent; that ye may be sincere and without offence till the day of Christ;
Email sent out from CRC Church to it’s congregation:
From: CRC Christian Church
Sent: 16 November 2010 01:00 PM
Honour God
“Money is the answer to all things.” Ecc 10:19
The two most important books in your life are the Bible and your cheque “book”. The Bible is the revelation of God’s love for us and our cheque book is the revelation of our love for God.
In Joshua 7 we read about the only place where Israel failed when they crossed into the Promised Land. The only place where Israel suffered defeat because they tampered with the gold and silver (the devoted things) that belonged to God.
Your tithe is Holy to God. Lev 27:30. There are two principles that dominate throughout the Old and New Testament: First fruits get given first and; seed time and harvest. It is God’s purpose that should drive us to give.
In Acts 5 we read about Ananias and Sapphira that financially stood in the way of God’s purpose and suffered great calamity. God does not curse you; your actions open your life to either failure or success.
Does Jesus endorse tithing? Of course He does. In both Matt 23:23 and Luke 11:42; Jesus says that tithing should be the most basic thing. When you tithe you shouldn’t even see that 10 percent. It’s God’s. Also we read in Heb 7 that tithing was before the law. It was a part of the Abrahamic covenant that still exists and is fulfilled in Jesus. He tithed to Malchizedek (high priest) 430 years before before Moses came with the law.
Your allegiance, your tithe, should be given to the church where you are planted. Mal 3 speaks about the coming of Jesus and actually the Holy Spirit. In this we see that we should bring the tithe to the “storehouse” which is your church. Give to God what is God’s. It is God who should be honoured first because He is the source of all your income. Matt 22:17-21
We work to build the kingdom of God, we shouldn’t work to meet our own needs. People can frustrate the work of God by withholding resources. Let’s evaluate ourselves and rectify places where maybe we’ve neglected to honour God with our finances. If you start today it is never too late.
This past week-end we saw 470 people giving their lives to Jesus. We are here to possess the Promised Land. Thank you to every one of you for working hard throughout the year and inviting your world to CRC.
We had a fantastic harvest event in Cape Town last week. We saw the entire auditorium filled to the max. Ps. Aidan and Sharon are doing a great work in that city. I believe many good things are still heading our way in Cape Town.
They have begun to lay the foundations for the Pretoria Building Project. We are so excited to see how things come together as we follow the instructions of God. As we are now in the time when we have to pay the contractors large sums of money every month, I urge you to give the money you pledged or whatever extra the Holy Spirit lays on your heart.
If you still want to contribute please e-mail finance[at]crc.org.za
The Kids’ Party is only a week away. Please take part in this as we are going to make the day special for over 15 000 underprivileged children. If you would like to volunteer or make a donation please contact 051-xxx xxxx.
Be Blessed,
At Boshoff
A Critique on how to “Honor God” written by At Boshoff – Critique notes in red
“Money is the answer to all things.” Ecc 10:19 (Undersigned by At Boshoff)
[Note: It is utterly disappointing to notice that Eccl. 10:19 is cited and interpreted in the way At Boshoff has done so in his notice to the congregation at CRC.
When reading what King Solomon wrote in the book of Ecclesiastes the basic understanding and proper rendering of the Scripture quoted is in fact quite the opposite, as indicated here by Mr. Boshoff.
The passage in context from the first verse (In fact the first chapter of Ecclesiastes) has to do with what the foolish do and the evils resulting from their actions in this world, which also includes verse 10.
Solomon’s message is one of vanity to all that are under the sun, which includes “Money is the answer to all things” What Solomon actually means in writing this is that man’s trust in money which according to man answers all things, is vanity. Their trust and security should be in God and not in money.
It is vanity of fools who rely on their money for all things instead of God.
Psa 62:8 Trust in him at all times; ye people, pour out your heart before him: God is a refuge for us. Selah.
Psa 62:9 Surely men of low degree are vanity, and men of high degree are a lie: to be laid in the balance, they are altogether lighter than vanity.
Psa 62:10 Trust not in oppression, and become not vain in robbery: if riches increase, set not your heart upon them.
Psa 62:11 God hath spoken once; twice have I heard this; that power belongeth unto God.
Mar 10:24 And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them, Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God!
1Ti 6:17 Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy;
1Ti 6:18 That they do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to distribute, willing to communicate;
1Ti 6:19 Laying up in store for themselves a good foundation against the time to come, that they may lay hold on eternal life
Why do so many pastors not put their faith in God but rather exploit the people, after all they are always accusing those who do not have money as being without faith – yet when they need the money they rely on the people instead of their faith??
The Bible does not teach that money should not be used to preach the Gospel and to support brethren (not organisations) in the body of Christ – it is very obvious that mammon should be befriended for this purpose.
But to contort Scripture in this manner shows doctrinal ignorance – hopefully – that rather done so on purpose.]
The two most important books in your life are the Bible and your cheque “book”. The Bible is the revelation of God’s love for us and our cheque book is the revelation of our love for God. (Undersigned by At Boshoff)
[Note: Where is this revelation in the Bible, that our cheque book is the revelation of our love for God??
The revelation I find is that our love for the Lord Jesus, is to keep His commandments not the love of filthy lucre. Our love is manifested in our obedience to Him, our trust in Him alone not in mammon and riches.
There are only two important books and that is the Bible and having your name written in the Book of Life.]
In Joshua 7 we read about the only place where Israel failed when they crossed into the Promised Land. The only place where Israel suffered defeat because they tampered with the gold and silver (the devoted things) that belonged to God. (Undersigned by At Boshoff)
[Note: Ouch!!! First of all it was not Israel who “tampered with the gold and silver” but one man named Achan the son of Camri who had stolen some of the spoils of looted booty of Jericho. (This also had nothing to do with his own money, silver or gold or any of his personal belongings which is referred to here Mr. Boshoff in quoting Joshua 7 for gaining money from New Testament congregants.)
Yes, Israel as a corporate entity was punished as result of the theft by Achan, but it had absolutely nothing to do with the personal wealth individuals were given by God, which were then somehow to the interpretation of this part of Scripture withheld from God.
Firstly this was in disobedience to God, because God placed a ban on personal gain from the looted goods.
Secondly theft was the cause of the punishment – taking things not given to you by God.
Thirdly it was the covetousness of Achan that was addressed in the punishment. Covetousness is what God warns us against throughout the Scriptures.
A reminder: The Bible does not teach that money should not be used to preach the Gospel and to support brethren (not organisations) in the body of Christ – it is very obvious that mammon should be befriended for this purpose.
But to contort Scripture in this manner shows doctrinal ignorance – hopefully – that rather done so on purpose.
To be under the shepherding of someone who does not understand context and doctrine or does understand context and twists it out of context, is not promoted by Scripture:
1Ti 4:16 Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.]
Your tithe is Holy to God. Lev 27:30. There are two principles that dominate throughout the Old and New Testament: First fruits get given first and; seed time and harvest. It is God’s purpose that should drive us to give. (Undersigned by At Boshoff)
[Note: Some more doctrines lacking regarding the tithe very applicable to the Old Testament. Using this one verse for the purpose of tithing is not sufficient and there were many tithing’s applicable not just one. To understand this tithe there were basically 4 types of tithing in the Old Testament ONLY
a) The tithe to the Levites. Deut.14: 27.
The Levites were the “government” of Israel and due to them not having a share in the land allocated to the rest of the tribes, those allocated land were to use of their produce to give to the Levites.
b) The tithe of the Levites to the Zadokites. Neh.10: 38.
Now this is where Malachi is used to place unnecessary burdens on believers today.
First of all, tithings were purely laws given in the Torah or Old Testament. So commanding and condemning people to tithe today by quoting Malachi 10, is basically going back to the Torah or the Law, putting congregants back under the law.
Secondly the Scriptures used below to state that Jesus endorses tithing are totally out of context with regard to tithing and God’s Word in fact it refers to this as works by the Pharisees to justify themselves, something God loathes. In Fact God says woe to them that tithe! – will explain when we discuss these passages.
Thirdly when Malachi 3:10 is read and understood in context it refers to the tithe in a) above, the tithe in Deut 14:27 which was received from the tribes and given to the Levites. The Levites in turn were to skim off a tithe from this tithe (Neh10:38) to give to the priests attending to temple duties. So it was the Levites who were robbing God not the people.
It is interesting when reading the “Works Of Josephus” the Sadducees were the rich of the day who were using the tithes to enrich themselves. Josephus admits to this as he himself was a Sadducee.
Historically it is proven that the Sadducees were extremely rich due to the financial contributions by ordinary people who were forced to pay tribute.
There is no new thing under the son. Today’s Sadducees and Pharisees apply the same rule. The flock enriches them as result of their own rendering and contortions of Scripture.
The clergy were robbing God of tithes not the people, hence the rebuke to them in Malachi 10.
Have any of the Malachi 10 promoters ever read the following to any of their congregations?
Mic 3:10 They build up Zion with blood, and Jerusalem with iniquity.
Mic 3:11 The heads thereof judge for reward, and the priests thereof teach for hire, and the prophets thereof divine for money: yet will they lean upon the LORD, and say, Is not the LORD among us? none evil can come upon us.
Mic 3:12 Therefore shall Zion for your sake be plowed as a field, and Jerusalem shall become heaps, and the mountain of the house as the high places of the forest.
The third type of tithe:
c) The tithe toward the annual Holy Days. Deut. 14: 22 – 26.
3 Times a year the Israelites were to attend Holy Feasts at Jerusalem and for this they needed to set aside a tithe of their harvests etc. If they were too far from Jerusalem they could sell the targeted tithed articles and turn it into money. This they would spend upon themselves and the Levites once they arrive in Jerusalem.
d) The tithe to the less fortunate. Deut.14: 28 – 29.
This is also a tithe to obviously assist the needy in the Old Testament.
Although a tithe in the New Testament is never mentioned in this regard there are many Scriptures which clearly say that the needy ought to be cared for.
When one searches for the word “Tithe” in the New Testament there are two references one in Matt. 23:23 and the other in Luke 11:42 which notably is quoted by Mr. Boshoff and will be discussed.]
In Acts 5 we read about Ananias and Sapphira that financially stood in the way of God’s purpose and suffered great calamity. God does not curse you; your actions open your life to either failure or success. (Undersigned by At Boshoff)
[Note: Who is man that he is able to stand in the way of God’s purpose? Is God dependant on man?
Psa 8:3 When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained;
Psa 8:4 What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him?
It is agreeable that one’s actions open you to success or failure, but to use Acts 5 as yardstick for failure and success is totally out of context.
I know of many people struggling financially who humbly adores God and has extreme credence in the Lord Jesus, but who realize that their own actions caused their calamity. Those being poor and suffering financially in this life without rejecting the Lord Jesus who are willing to endure to the end will be first in the Kingdom.
Although there are certain quotations by the MHCC I do not fully agree with the MHCC renders the following understanding with regard to Ananias and Sapphira which I could not have worded better:
The sin of Ananias and Sapphira was, that they were ambitious of being thought eminent disciples, when they were not true disciples. Hypocrites may deny themselves, may forego their worldly advantage in one instance, with a prospect of finding their account in something else. They were covetous of the wealth of the world, and distrustful of God and his providence. They thought they might serve both God and mammon. They thought to deceive the apostles. The Spirit of God in Peter discerned the principle of unbelief reigning in the heart of Ananias. But whatever Satan might suggest, he could not have filled the heart of Ananias with this wickedness had he not been consenting. The falsehood was an attempt to deceive the Spirit of truth, who so manifestly spoke and acted by the apostles. The crime of Ananias was not his retaining part of the price of the land; he might have kept it all, had he pleased; but his endeavouring to impose upon the apostles with an awful lie, from a desire to make a vain show, joined with covetousness. But if we think to put a cheat upon God, we shall put a fatal cheat upon our own souls. How sad to see those relations who should quicken one another to that which is good, hardening one another in that which is evil! And this punishment was in reality mercy to vast numbers. It would cause strict self-examination, prayer, and dread of hypocrisy, covetousness, and vain-glory, and it should still do so. It would prevent the increase of false professors. Let us learn hence how hateful falsehood is to the God of truth, and not only shun a direct lie, but all advantages from the use of doubtful expressions, and double meaning in our speech.]
Does Jesus endorse tithing? Of course He does. In both Matt 23:23 and Luke 11:42; Jesus says that tithing should be the most basic thing. When you tithe you shouldn’t even see that 10 percent. It’s God’s. Also we read in Heb 7 that tithing was before the law. It was a part of the Abrahamic covenant that still exists and is fulfilled in Jesus. He tithed to Malchizedek (high priest) 430 years before before Moses came with the law. (Undersigned by At Boshoff)
[Note: Is Mr. Boshoff rightfully dividing the Word here?
To understand Matthew 23:23 effectively one needs to read from verse 1!
These were the Words of the Lord Jesus Himself. The Lord Jesus was warning against the Pharisees and rebuked them for putting credence or weight to their tithes. The Lord Jesus says in Matthew 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
The Lord Jesus most certainly does not say that tithing is the most basic thing in this Scripture. In fact He says woe to those that tithe and ignore the important things that God wants. The Lord Jesus in fact says that it is NOT the most basic thing. He says the “weightier” matters are more basic than the tithe.
Luke 11:42 Again out of context and basically the same rebuke goes out to the Pharisees who promoted and relied on tithing as the basic thing at the time of the Temple in Jerusalem.
I do not find: “Jesus says that tithing should be the most basic thing” What I do find is another rebuke to the Pharisees and Scribes who felt very secure in basic tithing: Luk 11:42 But woe unto you, Pharisees! For ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
What I have found in CRC when I used to go there was that they were promoting security in tithing, but the more important and weightier matters such as keeping the Lords commandments in our love for Him, I personally never heard in any sermon by Mr. Boshoff.
Is this not precisely why the Lord Jesus in His Word rebukes the Pharisees?
In Matthew 23:23 and Luke 11:42 the focus is more on the “weightier” matters than the tithe.
A very repetitive part of Scripture used by Mr. Boshoff is Hebrews 7
Gen: 14:18: And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the highest God.
Gen: 14:19: And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth:
Gen: 14:20: And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.
This is to “prove” that tithing was established before the time of Moses, the Torah or law and that tithes have to be given to the priest. To find out what the Melchizedek tithe meant one has to not only read this passage, but also read on to verses 22 & 23.
From verse 18 – 20 it is clear that this was not Abraham’s belongings which were tithed, but rather the booty or loot he had gathered from conquering the enemy.
Gen:14:22: And Abram said to the king of Sodom, I have lift up mine hand unto the LORD, the most high God, the possessor of heaven and earth,
Gen: 14:23: That I will not take from a thread even to a shoe latchet, and that I will not take any thing that is thine, lest thou shouldest say, I have made Abram rich:
Although he gave away 10% of the booty, he stated that he did not even want any of it, because it was not his.
It is also interesting to note that this was a ONCE OFF event, which never took place again.
Ninety percent and more of Scripture quoted for the purposes of pleading for tithes are taken out of context today. God says let few be teachers, because those teachers teaching the flock will be held accountable for what they teach.
A reminder: The Bible does not teach that money should not be used to preach the Gospel and to support brethren (not organisations) in the body of Christ – it is very obvious that mammon should be befriended for this purpose.
But to contort Scripture in this manner shows doctrinal ignorance – hopefully – that rather done so on purpose.
James:3:1: My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation.]
Your allegiance, your tithe, should be given to the church where you are planted. Mal 3 speaks about the coming of Jesus and actually the Holy Spirit. In this we see that we should bring the tithe to the “storehouse” which is your church. Give to God what is God’s. It is God who should be honoured first because He is the source of all your income. Matt 22:17-21 (Undersigned by At Boshoff)
[Note: Reading Mal 10 from verse 1 rather suggests that the audience addressed by God were the priests as already discussed. The “storehouse” is definitely not the New Testament church. The New Testament church is the bride of Christ and not a building built with brick and mortar.]
We work to build the kingdom of God, we shouldn’t work to meet our own needs. People can frustrate the work of God by withholding resources. Let’s evaluate ourselves and rectify places where maybe we’ve neglected to honour God with our finances. If you start today it is never too late.
[Note: The Lord Jesus calls for heed to doctrine rather than finances and I do hope that Mr. Boshoff would rather be obedient to the Lord in the weightier matters.]
This past week-end we saw 470 people giving their lives to Jesus. We are here to possess the Promised Land. Thank you to every one of you for working hard throughout the year and inviting your world to CRC.
[Note: Figures do not impress God. One such an example is: Exo 23:2 Thou shalt not follow a multitude to do evil; neither shalt thou speak in a cause to decline after many to wrest judgment:
Mat 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.
The quote Mr. Boshoff uses in Matthew 23 was discussed already and to conclude, using this verse as a basis for endorsing tithing is basically in support of what the Pharisees promoted – That Mr. Boshoff is teaching here and to the congregation is absolutely the same what the Pharisees were doing.
What is important however and of grave concern, are the proselytes made by CRC. This is also found in Matthew 23 the chapter in which the verse occurs that Mr. Boshoff uses to preach the diametric opposite to what the Lord Jesus says in this chapter: Mat 23:15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
Mat 23:16 Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor!
Mat 23:17 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold?]
We had a fantastic harvest event in Cape Town last week. We saw the entire auditorium filled to the max. Ps. Aidan and Sharon are doing a great work in that city. I believe many good things are still heading our way in Cape Town.
[Note: I suppose it is not worth mentioning all those pastors and lay persons who have left CRC and would like to see Mr. Boshoff repent of his ways.]
They have begun to lay the foundations for the Pretoria Building Project. We are so excited to see how things come together as we follow the instructions of God. As we are now in the time when we have to pay the contractors large sums of money every month, I urge you to give the money you pledged or whatever extra the Holy Spirit lays on your heart.
If you still want to contribute please e-mail finance@crc.org.za
The Kids’ Party is only a week away. Please take part in this as we are going
to make the day special for over 15 000 underprivileged children. If you would like to volunteer or make a donation please contact 051-525 2883.
[Note: It is agreeable that feeding under privileged Children is a very good work, yet the concern remains what these poor children are being fed spiritually when such doctrine as discussed here is being preached.
Hitler once said that if the hearts of the children are won, the next generation will be won.
It is also fact the “Church” of Rome has built a multitude of schools and hospitals and proclaims ex-Cathedra that winning the minds of children before age 7 will ensure that they will be won permanently for the Mother “Church”. I see the same happening at CRC so feeding children is an outward appearance coaxing them into a greater deception of being taught wrong doctrine
Remember what James wrote; if the correct faith is dead the works mean nothing.
It is the correct doctrine that will ensure the correct faith – this is why the works may be more detrimental to the children in the longer term.]
Brit wrote:
Agreed. [1 Corinthians 12:29-31]
Mo wrote:
Going through the same thing right now with a family member.
CRC seems nothing but a money grabbing cult to me. Attended the UK O2 franchise for almost a year. High pressure pyramid scheme perverting the gospel. No questions, no dissent tolerated.
If anyone has any experience of the O2 cult please contact me. Need to open eyes of a family member.
I can’t think of a way to convince them, other than being the real church, showing them Christ through our lives. Showing them the glory of the true Jesus Christ, so they won’t want anything or anyone else.
They won’t find the real Jesus in CRC; if we’d want to win them over to Jesus, we already have the advantage (assuming that you are a believer in the true Jesus Christ). Simplest thing we could do, is to be who Jesus calls us to be, and proclaim Him to them, with our lives.
Love them.
Be merciful as our Father is merciful.
Gabriel,
Who is/was any better than Jesus Christ who showed so many through his life and ministry his glory and truth, and yet they shunned Him? Love without truth and proclaiming it with fervor is a false love. You must warn them. The Word of God and not your pristine life will convince them of their errors.
All scripture (not your pristine Christian lifestyle) is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. (2 Ti 3:16-17).
Yes you life is important but it will never convince them of anything.
Merciful? Yes, of course. But what does it mean to be merciful?
Is this being merciful? Yes, Paul is mercifully warning the followers of false prophets to stay away, lest they fall in the same ditch. That’s being merciful.
Look at your hands. They will tell you how merciful you are.
Gabriel,
The point I was trying to make is that showing forth love and compassion as a means to bring those who have gone astray to their senses, is not enough. Sometimes one needs to be cruel to be kind. For instance, not to allow your daughter to have any part in CRC. What if, she decides to join CRC? I had the same problem. I warned my kids not to join the churches they decided to attend. It was to no avail. They refused to listen and now have a lot of problems on their hands. Kids no longer listen to their parents. We are living in those days. They think you are below their level of spiritual maturity and simply do not listen.
You wrote:
This is a huge problem many disillusioned Christians have to face in these last days. However, I am confident that God will lead those who have left their churches because of heresies and false teaching to either begin their own Bible studies or home churches. Didn’t He promise that He will build his church . . . ?
To all the CRC critics out there, I love with the love of The Lord and I really pray for revelation.
My question however is, what are you doing in peoples life’s without criticism ? Do you really at value to Christianity?
Jesus says ” the truth shall set you/me free.”
Truth is only truth when it outlives the lies and the hypocrisy !
We all have our opinions – but truth is, God can only be glorified by our fruit ( John 15:8 ). Not so much what we say, your fruit will outlive your critics. Your life is your only instrument not your theologically language.
We see the glory on Ps Ats life, but we don’t know the story of his life.
For the brother who lost the R 30 000.00, the supervisor . I really feel sorry for you my friend, but we must learn what the bible say and not relay on flesh , Jeremiah 17:5-10. Malachi 3 God says He himself will open the windows of heaven , no pastor At or CRC member, God Himself will bless you.
Jesus Christ is returning and all will be revealed, everyone , all of us will receive what’s due to us, every secret will be brought to the light .
Last final thing! Why don’t you also start your own Churches and be perfect Pastors, or better yet, come let us all bow down in front of you, to serve you – because you know so much.
The issue of tongues ! Mam I was also in the same bout as you are, you know it’s very easy to dismiss something you don’t understand or you don’t want to understand .
You are all welcome at CRC. But you don’t have to come; you don’t have to take membership.
The command is simple, ” Go into all the world and make disciples of all nations… “.
In whatever Church you are currently in – serve there and make impact there and stop being so theologically correct.
Ephesians 6:12Good News Translation (GNT)
12 For we are not fighting against human beings but against the wicked spiritual forces in the heavenly world, the rulers, authorities, and cosmic powers of this dark age.
People let us prepare our hearts for the coming of the King of kings and Lord of lords and let us encourage our world to reconcile themselves to God the father.
I love CRC because I worship with people of different races and cultures – I worship with very generous people!
Peace!!!
Glads,
Why do you disobey Jesus who said, “Take heed that no man deceive you”? At Boshoff has deceived and is still deceiving many people.
How is he deceiving me?
In what way is he deceiving ?
How do I disobey Jesus ?
Tom are you are you a pastor?
Are you a prophet, evangelise, apostle, teacher ?
What do you do, to impact life’s ?
When last did you lead someone to Jesus?
When last did you witness ?
How is my spiritual father deceiving ?
You judge my father neh, when last did you go to your room and prayed for him ?
” do to others as you would have them do to you ” – Luke 6:31.
” do not judge, and you won’t be judged “. – Luke 6:37.
Please tel me how is Pastor At deceiving ?
I wonder what are you hiding!!!?
How do I disobey Jesus? And how does Pastor At deceive us?
I was a very rebellious youth wen I was still in school, did a lot of wrong things which I am not proud of, but when I went to CRC my life change radically through the preaching of the word that was preach by Ps At .
25 But Jesus knew their thoughts, and said, “Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation, and every city or house divided against itself will not stand. 26 If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then will his kingdom stand? 27 And if I cast out demons by Beelzebub, by whom do your sons cast them out? Therefore they shall be your judges. 28 But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, surely the kingdom of God has come upon you.
Matt 12:25-28.
People are getting saved at CRC , life’s get restored –
Tom what are you doing to impact life’s out there?
When last did you lead someone to Jesus?
When last did you witness?
Who are you, do you even have a track record? Are you a pastor ?
Dear Glads
Are you interested in knowing the truth? If you are you can start off by reading the following and then take what we have said to the Word of God and check it out for yourself.
1) Are Prophets for Today or has Prophecy Ceased?
2) False Foundation of Five-Fold Ministry
3) Your Sons and Your Daughters Will Prophesy, But Not Yet…
Now regarding what we have done for others, you should know that bragging is not biblical. In fact Pastor At should know this (he is the ‘pastor’ after all) but yet he is very happy to tell everyone what so called ‘good fruit’ he produces.
Matthew 6:1-34 1 “Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven. “Thus, when you give to the needy, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you. “And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. …
James 4:16 But now ye rejoice in your boastings: all such rejoicing is evil.
In fact you can read this article on Joyce Meyer about good fruit and bad fruit etc. Pastor At is just like her. Joyce Meyer – “Look at Her Fruit”
As for judging others, well again let’s go to the bible to see what it really has to say: As Christians We Must Judge Righteously
Glads asked,
Have you been slain in the spirit?
Many drug addicts’ lives have been dramatically changed when they followed the Twelve Steps of Alcoholics Anonymous. So too are there many people who testify that their lives have been dramatically changed when they started doing Yoga or were hypnotized or followed Dr Caroline Leafs “21 Day Brain Detox Plan.” The main question is not whether you have changed. The question is are you saved and how were you saved.
Preachers who quote Matthew 12:25-28 to defend their ministries and to prove that their ministries are from God God whilst they preach false doctrines, have already misled you. The context of the passage is the Kingdom of God and Jesus being the One who came to the world to establish his kingdom on earth. The exorcism of demons was one of the ways He proved to the Jews that His Kingdom was at hand. Yet they, in unbelief, accused Him of driving demons out by Beelzebub (the god of flies). He defended his ministry by telling them – in the context of what they had accused Him of – that if He had been casting demons out by the power of Satan, Satan would be working against himself and consequently would destroy his OWN Kingdom. False doctrines on the other hand are devices the devil and his demons use to destroy GOD’s Kingdom and to enhance and build his OWN kingdom. This is what God says about those who proclaim false doctrines.
Is At Boshoff proclaiming a false doctrine? As you may know he preaches the law of attraction. It is not biblical. It is New Age/New Thought and very dangerous.
At Boshoff’s close relationship with so-called preachers like Rodney Howard-Brown proves that he himself is a false teacher.
I was at CRC for 3yrs until the Lord drew me to Himself and out of the church system which has nothing to do with Him. Its not so much about CRC but all false religion represented by the nominal Christianity, Islam and many other religions. Nominal Christianity is far worse than all because it takes the Lord’s name in vain.
Some worthwhile reads for those interested on false religion:
[url removed: Sorry Simon but this website belongs to a cult]
As for tithes and offerings:
[url removed: Sorry Simon but this website belongs to a cult]
I know the Lord always guides the sincere seeker to Himself. It’s not about church bashing but believing and obeying the Lord daily.
If we’re given over to deception, it’s only because we are liars too:
11 Because of this, God sends them a working of error, that they should believe a lie;
12 that they all might be judged who didn’t believe the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. (WEB) 2 Thessalonians 2:11-12
We’ll one day learn that we are the perpetrators and not victims. Only God is good. The Lord came for perpetrators/sinners/liars/thieves/eevil doers not the righteous.
13 But you go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy, and not sacrifice,’ for I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.” (WEB) Matthew 9:13
Read:
[url removed: Sorry Simon but this website belongs to a cult]
Hi
How do you conclude that the website is a cult? Can you prove it? Maybe I missed something.
Simon
They live in some remote part of Canada and run a communal farm where they get people to come and work on their farm, stay there, eat there and pray there (i.e., worship Victor Hafichuk and Paul Cohen as their ‘truth’ teachers). A few years ago there was a story about a family who had lost their young daughter to ‘thepathoftruth’ as she believed she had found the truth with Victor and Paul and she needed to leave her parents (and never communicate with them again) and join the communal farm. I do not know if this young girl is still in their grip. I had a run in with them too where they attacked DTW a few years ago and they took my testimony that I had online at one stage and ripped it to shreds and made a new version that made it look like I was demon possessed, they also called me some really terrible names.
Just as a matter of interest, Paul and Victor believe in what is called ‘eventual’ Universalism; that all men will eventually be saved and that hell is only temporary. They also claim to have “secret” knowledge of the things of God. Only cultists and occultists claim to have secret knowledge.
But you don’t have to take my word for it, just take the time to research their website and you will notice that as though it sounds like they speak the truth, there is something very wrong and I mean very wrong with them.
Simon, there will come many times over the coming years that genuine Christians will be suckered in by what we believe to be genuine Christians and their teaching. It happens to us as well, no one is immune from the proverbial con-artist. The thing is, to listen to the Holy Spirits warning and realise you are being duped. The bible says
Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
That means you and I are not immune to being caught by false teachers, the thing is to be awake and on guard at all times and escape the false teachers and their teaching.
Matthew 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Here is a goog article that describes them well: http://www.aquatechnology.net/victorhafichuk.html
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I am no writing this to win any debate or being theologically correct !
Tom what are you doing to impact lives?
I’ll ask again , when last did you lead someone to Jesus Christ? – Great commission – Matthew 28:16-20.
In what congregation do you belong? What relevance do you add to that specific church?
1 Timothy 6:20-21Good News Translation (GNT)
20 Timothy, keep safe what has been entrusted to your care. Avoid the profane talk and foolish arguments of what some people wrongly call “Knowledge.” 21 For some have claimed to possess it, and as a result they have lost the way of faith.
God’s grace be with you all.
2 Corinthians 5:10-12King James Version (KJV)
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
Deborah you, me we all have to answer to The Lord ( including the confuses you are bringing on this cult)
I just wonder if the return of Lord will be now , what will you tell Him?
And please hear me good . Pastor At didn’t touch me!
I was touch through the preaching of Gods word that was proclaimed by one of His sons which happened to be At Boshoff.
The woman with the issue of blood was not touch by Dr Caroline Leafs 21day healing plan, she was touch instantly by Jesus .
As matter of fact, she spend all she had on Doctors and was still caught in that same dire situation .
The woman alone new that she touch Jesus.
Luke 8:43-48.
Do you want to be At Boshoff brother?
Why don’t you start your own Church and be a perfect pastor that everyone loves.
One last simple thing- did you ever take the time out and prayed for the man?
1 Corinthians 13:4-7The Message (MSG)
3-7 If I give everything I own to the poor and even go to the stake to be burned as a martyr, but I don’t love, I’ve gotten nowhere. So, no matter what I say, what I believe, and what I do, I’m bankrupt without love.
Love never gives up.
Love cares more for others than for self.
Love doesn’t want what it doesn’t have.
Love doesn’t strut,
Doesn’t have a swelled head,
Doesn’t force itself on others,
Isn’t always “me first,”
Doesn’t fly off the handle,
Doesn’t keep score of the sins of others,
Doesn’t revel when others grovel,
Takes pleasure in the flowering of truth,
Puts up with anything,
Trusts God always,
Always looks for the best,
Never looks back,
But keeps going to the end.
Now please I am not hear to win anyone over, but I do plead with you that you take time and just present yourself before your father pray and fast so you could get truth and love in your hearts.
Glads
>> I am no writing this to win any debate or being theologically correct !
Yes that is the main thing now-a-days…to NOT be theologically correct; to not speak the truth. In fact one must be as FALSE as possible and you will win the crowd, hey Glads? You have been won over by At and CRC as they tickle your ears with false teaching.
2 Timothy 4:3-4 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
Are you one of the multitude that has turned away from the truth? The first line of your comment in your own words declare that you have.
Did you know that The Message bible is an New Age occult bible? If you didn’t know before, now you know. Maybe in future you wont read it again or quote from it. But we are not here to win you over either. You are your own person – it’s your choice to choose truth over lies – when you stand before God you wont be able to blame anyone else but yourself.
>> Deborah you, me we all have to answer to The Lord
Absolutely Glads, the difference between you and me is that I want to theologically correct, I want to know the truth and nothing but the truth (which is Jesus Christ, John 14:6), unlike you who prefers lies.
Glads wrote,
Don’t you think these are the questions you need to ask yourself? Perhaps you would like to tell us how you have impacted lives since you joined CRC Church and how many souls you have led to Jesus since then. Now remember, it is sinful to lie. So, you must give us the exact number of souls you have won to Christ since you joined At Boshoff’s church. Would you do that for us, please? I am waiting in anticipation.
Yes Glads, please tell us who you have led to Christ and can honestly say got saved? You of course know people’s hearts it appears and ‘belonging to a congregation’ it seems is the benchmark when it comes to knowing if someone is saved or not. So according to you all who attend a church must be saved. Hmmmm… interesting. I would love to hear the verse from the bible that says, “all ye that addendth a church congregation areth Christian.”. Please don’t quote us from The Message (although I think The Message would actually have a verse just like this to tickle your ears).
Hi there, very rarely do I feel strongly enough to comment on something on the Internet but the writings here have sufficiently moved me to write this.
In the interest of full disclosure, I am a member of CRC London and I subscribe to their statement of faith and vision so I am member of the CRC Cult(ure).
All I want to say is that this Cult is about love relationships.. First with God and then your fellow man. It is the Jesus Cult(ure) whereby love permeates everything. I am very sad to observe that this was not also your experience and look forward to welcoming you back when hopefully, I can help to make you experience this wonderful life of love forgiveness and service that is the true hallmark of the CRC brand.
We are there by our own free will (which I know you also have) and willingly submit ourselves to the authority of the word as delivered through this vehicle. Suffice to say I see that this site has been running for more than 5 years. When we joined ~ 4 years ago, the church in London had ~ 700 members. Now it is ~ 4000. Even with all the elightening such as yours here, you must acknowledge such exponential growth.
So until we see your light, some of us will throw in our lot with the CRC Jesus Cut(ure) thing for now…
Blessings.
Zele,
Did you know that there are two kinds of love – the biblical kind and the false kind from hell itself? I call it a hellish love. To whose who hate God and his doctrines His love looks like hatred. Have you ever considered to read the following passage from Scripture.
At Boshoff is leading you by your nose to love and worship another Jesus (“Let us go after other gods”) so that God may test you whether you love Him with all your heart, mind and soul. The fact that you are running after false teachers like At Boshoff proves that you do NOT love God with all you heart, mind and soul.
How on earth can you say that At Boshoff loves God when he unashamedly allows someone like Rodney Howard-Brown to share his church and pulpit with him?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8VBtcq8ItQ
So, Zele, you are free to love and worship and follow a false Jesus but remember this, the real Jesus of the Bible cannot in the very least approve your and At Boshoff’s kind of love.
Dear Zele
>> When we joined ~ 4 years ago, the church in London had ~ 700 members. Now it is ~ 4000. Even with all the elightening such as yours here, you must acknowledge such exponential growth.
Yes the bible does acknowledge this kind of growth in churches, let me show you the verse. 2 Timothy 4:3-4 “3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.”
Here is a good link explaining a mega church. http://www.middletownbiblechurch.org/lochurch/mega.htm
Zele,
Exponential growth and numbers do not mean that God is there and that he approves the things they teach. Would you say that because more people are going to hell it is the right thing to go to hell because God is there?
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zele
LOL @ Tom, yes hell grows exponentially as well – that must be the benchmark that God is working wonders there.
Heard the “gift” that that conman Howard-Browne took home with him in March this year was to the tune of R1 million…
Is that the “payment/gift” for the Honor y Doctors degree that Ps At received?
Haha, I didn’t know he received one. Is it from Howard-Browne’s “Bible College” at his church in the US?
This may sound incredulous (it is totally amazing that these people are so brazen), but the reason I know that there was a R1 million gift, (I’m not a member of CRC) is because I heard Howard-Browne say so with his own mouth! You can watch H-B’s ridiculous church services online on youtube (I check it every now and then to see whether the blasphemy has changed) and during one that I was watching, he spoke of how blessed he’d been with this gift and how it was a real problem to get “my money” out of South Africa when he left and that he had no doubt that it was “the devil trying to stop my money”… I was gobsmacked. Unfortunately, I cannot find that particular broadcast again on youtube.
Let me fix that grammar: This may sound incredible,not incredulous. I am the one that’s incredulous. But, then maybe not so much… This is the kind of thing I’ve come to expect from mega-churches. The Gospel of Jesus Christ is Business, As Usual.