At Boshoff from CRC Church shows us how Pharisees went about ‘Honoring’ God
The recent invitation to debate sent to Mr. At Boshoff by Dion Knoesen was as a result of the below notice sent out by CRC, to their members and undersigned by Mr. Boshoff.
This notice was dated 16 November 2010 with the Subject: “Honour God”
We wish to state the reason for the intended debate with Mr. Boshoff. We hope to either persuade Mr. Boshoff to give heed to proper rendering of the Scriptures for his own benefit and also to benefit those who are under his shepherding.
1Ti 4:16 Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.
On the CRC website it s mentioned that Mr. Boshoff studied at “A Bible College” for three years fulltime. Unfortunately no name is given to this Bible College.
In the last paragraph on this webpage the it says the following:
“He has been described as focussed, passionate and fervent in his hunger for the Word of God and explosive in his dynamic teaching of it. His positively dynamic and practical messages are equaled in their refreshing relevancy to their bold authenticity and doctrinal accuracy. “
When looking exegetically into his notice “Honour God” we have to question his “authenticity and doctrinal accuracy.”
For informative purposes the quoted Scriptures by Mr. Boshoff is discussed below in RED
As Paul wrote:
Php 1:9 And this I pray, that your love may abound yet more and more in knowledge and in all judgment;
Php 1:10 That ye may approve things that are excellent; that ye may be sincere and without offence till the day of Christ;
Email sent out from CRC Church to it’s congregation:
From: CRC Christian Church
Sent: 16 November 2010 01:00 PM
Honour God
“Money is the answer to all things.” Ecc 10:19
The two most important books in your life are the Bible and your cheque “book”. The Bible is the revelation of God’s love for us and our cheque book is the revelation of our love for God.
In Joshua 7 we read about the only place where Israel failed when they crossed into the Promised Land. The only place where Israel suffered defeat because they tampered with the gold and silver (the devoted things) that belonged to God.
Your tithe is Holy to God. Lev 27:30. There are two principles that dominate throughout the Old and New Testament: First fruits get given first and; seed time and harvest. It is God’s purpose that should drive us to give.
In Acts 5 we read about Ananias and Sapphira that financially stood in the way of God’s purpose and suffered great calamity. God does not curse you; your actions open your life to either failure or success.
Does Jesus endorse tithing? Of course He does. In both Matt 23:23 and Luke 11:42; Jesus says that tithing should be the most basic thing. When you tithe you shouldn’t even see that 10 percent. It’s God’s. Also we read in Heb 7 that tithing was before the law. It was a part of the Abrahamic covenant that still exists and is fulfilled in Jesus. He tithed to Malchizedek (high priest) 430 years before before Moses came with the law.
Your allegiance, your tithe, should be given to the church where you are planted. Mal 3 speaks about the coming of Jesus and actually the Holy Spirit. In this we see that we should bring the tithe to the “storehouse” which is your church. Give to God what is God’s. It is God who should be honoured first because He is the source of all your income. Matt 22:17-21
We work to build the kingdom of God, we shouldn’t work to meet our own needs. People can frustrate the work of God by withholding resources. Let’s evaluate ourselves and rectify places where maybe we’ve neglected to honour God with our finances. If you start today it is never too late.
This past week-end we saw 470 people giving their lives to Jesus. We are here to possess the Promised Land. Thank you to every one of you for working hard throughout the year and inviting your world to CRC.
We had a fantastic harvest event in Cape Town last week. We saw the entire auditorium filled to the max. Ps. Aidan and Sharon are doing a great work in that city. I believe many good things are still heading our way in Cape Town.
They have begun to lay the foundations for the Pretoria Building Project. We are so excited to see how things come together as we follow the instructions of God. As we are now in the time when we have to pay the contractors large sums of money every month, I urge you to give the money you pledged or whatever extra the Holy Spirit lays on your heart.
If you still want to contribute please e-mail finance[at]crc.org.za
The Kids’ Party is only a week away. Please take part in this as we are going to make the day special for over 15 000 underprivileged children. If you would like to volunteer or make a donation please contact 051-xxx xxxx.
Be Blessed,
At Boshoff
A Critique on how to “Honor God” written by At Boshoff – Critique notes in red
“Money is the answer to all things.” Ecc 10:19 (Undersigned by At Boshoff)
[Note: It is utterly disappointing to notice that Eccl. 10:19 is cited and interpreted in the way At Boshoff has done so in his notice to the congregation at CRC.
When reading what King Solomon wrote in the book of Ecclesiastes the basic understanding and proper rendering of the Scripture quoted is in fact quite the opposite, as indicated here by Mr. Boshoff.
The passage in context from the first verse (In fact the first chapter of Ecclesiastes) has to do with what the foolish do and the evils resulting from their actions in this world, which also includes verse 10.
Solomon’s message is one of vanity to all that are under the sun, which includes “Money is the answer to all things” What Solomon actually means in writing this is that man’s trust in money which according to man answers all things, is vanity. Their trust and security should be in God and not in money.
It is vanity of fools who rely on their money for all things instead of God.
Psa 62:8 Trust in him at all times; ye people, pour out your heart before him: God is a refuge for us. Selah.
Psa 62:9 Surely men of low degree are vanity, and men of high degree are a lie: to be laid in the balance, they are altogether lighter than vanity.
Psa 62:10 Trust not in oppression, and become not vain in robbery: if riches increase, set not your heart upon them.
Psa 62:11 God hath spoken once; twice have I heard this; that power belongeth unto God.
Mar 10:24 And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them, Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God!
1Ti 6:17 Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy;
1Ti 6:18 That they do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to distribute, willing to communicate;
1Ti 6:19 Laying up in store for themselves a good foundation against the time to come, that they may lay hold on eternal life
Why do so many pastors not put their faith in God but rather exploit the people, after all they are always accusing those who do not have money as being without faith – yet when they need the money they rely on the people instead of their faith??
The Bible does not teach that money should not be used to preach the Gospel and to support brethren (not organisations) in the body of Christ – it is very obvious that mammon should be befriended for this purpose.
But to contort Scripture in this manner shows doctrinal ignorance – hopefully – that rather done so on purpose.]
The two most important books in your life are the Bible and your cheque “book”. The Bible is the revelation of God’s love for us and our cheque book is the revelation of our love for God. (Undersigned by At Boshoff)
[Note: Where is this revelation in the Bible, that our cheque book is the revelation of our love for God??
The revelation I find is that our love for the Lord Jesus, is to keep His commandments not the love of filthy lucre. Our love is manifested in our obedience to Him, our trust in Him alone not in mammon and riches.
There are only two important books and that is the Bible and having your name written in the Book of Life.]
In Joshua 7 we read about the only place where Israel failed when they crossed into the Promised Land. The only place where Israel suffered defeat because they tampered with the gold and silver (the devoted things) that belonged to God. (Undersigned by At Boshoff)
[Note: Ouch!!! First of all it was not Israel who “tampered with the gold and silver” but one man named Achan the son of Camri who had stolen some of the spoils of looted booty of Jericho. (This also had nothing to do with his own money, silver or gold or any of his personal belongings which is referred to here Mr. Boshoff in quoting Joshua 7 for gaining money from New Testament congregants.)
Yes, Israel as a corporate entity was punished as result of the theft by Achan, but it had absolutely nothing to do with the personal wealth individuals were given by God, which were then somehow to the interpretation of this part of Scripture withheld from God.
Firstly this was in disobedience to God, because God placed a ban on personal gain from the looted goods.
Secondly theft was the cause of the punishment – taking things not given to you by God.
Thirdly it was the covetousness of Achan that was addressed in the punishment. Covetousness is what God warns us against throughout the Scriptures.
A reminder: The Bible does not teach that money should not be used to preach the Gospel and to support brethren (not organisations) in the body of Christ – it is very obvious that mammon should be befriended for this purpose.
But to contort Scripture in this manner shows doctrinal ignorance – hopefully – that rather done so on purpose.
To be under the shepherding of someone who does not understand context and doctrine or does understand context and twists it out of context, is not promoted by Scripture:
1Ti 4:16 Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.]
Your tithe is Holy to God. Lev 27:30. There are two principles that dominate throughout the Old and New Testament: First fruits get given first and; seed time and harvest. It is God’s purpose that should drive us to give. (Undersigned by At Boshoff)
[Note: Some more doctrines lacking regarding the tithe very applicable to the Old Testament. Using this one verse for the purpose of tithing is not sufficient and there were many tithing’s applicable not just one. To understand this tithe there were basically 4 types of tithing in the Old Testament ONLY
a) The tithe to the Levites. Deut.14: 27.
The Levites were the “government” of Israel and due to them not having a share in the land allocated to the rest of the tribes, those allocated land were to use of their produce to give to the Levites.
b) The tithe of the Levites to the Zadokites. Neh.10: 38.
Now this is where Malachi is used to place unnecessary burdens on believers today.
First of all, tithings were purely laws given in the Torah or Old Testament. So commanding and condemning people to tithe today by quoting Malachi 10, is basically going back to the Torah or the Law, putting congregants back under the law.
Secondly the Scriptures used below to state that Jesus endorses tithing are totally out of context with regard to tithing and God’s Word in fact it refers to this as works by the Pharisees to justify themselves, something God loathes. In Fact God says woe to them that tithe! – will explain when we discuss these passages.
Thirdly when Malachi 3:10 is read and understood in context it refers to the tithe in a) above, the tithe in Deut 14:27 which was received from the tribes and given to the Levites. The Levites in turn were to skim off a tithe from this tithe (Neh10:38) to give to the priests attending to temple duties. So it was the Levites who were robbing God not the people.
It is interesting when reading the “Works Of Josephus” the Sadducees were the rich of the day who were using the tithes to enrich themselves. Josephus admits to this as he himself was a Sadducee.
Historically it is proven that the Sadducees were extremely rich due to the financial contributions by ordinary people who were forced to pay tribute.
There is no new thing under the son. Today’s Sadducees and Pharisees apply the same rule. The flock enriches them as result of their own rendering and contortions of Scripture.
The clergy were robbing God of tithes not the people, hence the rebuke to them in Malachi 10.
Have any of the Malachi 10 promoters ever read the following to any of their congregations?
Mic 3:10 They build up Zion with blood, and Jerusalem with iniquity.
Mic 3:11 The heads thereof judge for reward, and the priests thereof teach for hire, and the prophets thereof divine for money: yet will they lean upon the LORD, and say, Is not the LORD among us? none evil can come upon us.
Mic 3:12 Therefore shall Zion for your sake be plowed as a field, and Jerusalem shall become heaps, and the mountain of the house as the high places of the forest.
The third type of tithe:
c) The tithe toward the annual Holy Days. Deut. 14: 22 – 26.
3 Times a year the Israelites were to attend Holy Feasts at Jerusalem and for this they needed to set aside a tithe of their harvests etc. If they were too far from Jerusalem they could sell the targeted tithed articles and turn it into money. This they would spend upon themselves and the Levites once they arrive in Jerusalem.
d) The tithe to the less fortunate. Deut.14: 28 – 29.
This is also a tithe to obviously assist the needy in the Old Testament.
Although a tithe in the New Testament is never mentioned in this regard there are many Scriptures which clearly say that the needy ought to be cared for.
When one searches for the word “Tithe” in the New Testament there are two references one in Matt. 23:23 and the other in Luke 11:42 which notably is quoted by Mr. Boshoff and will be discussed.]
In Acts 5 we read about Ananias and Sapphira that financially stood in the way of God’s purpose and suffered great calamity. God does not curse you; your actions open your life to either failure or success. (Undersigned by At Boshoff)
[Note: Who is man that he is able to stand in the way of God’s purpose? Is God dependant on man?
Psa 8:3 When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained;
Psa 8:4 What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him?
It is agreeable that one’s actions open you to success or failure, but to use Acts 5 as yardstick for failure and success is totally out of context.
I know of many people struggling financially who humbly adores God and has extreme credence in the Lord Jesus, but who realize that their own actions caused their calamity. Those being poor and suffering financially in this life without rejecting the Lord Jesus who are willing to endure to the end will be first in the Kingdom.
Although there are certain quotations by the MHCC I do not fully agree with the MHCC renders the following understanding with regard to Ananias and Sapphira which I could not have worded better:
The sin of Ananias and Sapphira was, that they were ambitious of being thought eminent disciples, when they were not true disciples. Hypocrites may deny themselves, may forego their worldly advantage in one instance, with a prospect of finding their account in something else. They were covetous of the wealth of the world, and distrustful of God and his providence. They thought they might serve both God and mammon. They thought to deceive the apostles. The Spirit of God in Peter discerned the principle of unbelief reigning in the heart of Ananias. But whatever Satan might suggest, he could not have filled the heart of Ananias with this wickedness had he not been consenting. The falsehood was an attempt to deceive the Spirit of truth, who so manifestly spoke and acted by the apostles. The crime of Ananias was not his retaining part of the price of the land; he might have kept it all, had he pleased; but his endeavouring to impose upon the apostles with an awful lie, from a desire to make a vain show, joined with covetousness. But if we think to put a cheat upon God, we shall put a fatal cheat upon our own souls. How sad to see those relations who should quicken one another to that which is good, hardening one another in that which is evil! And this punishment was in reality mercy to vast numbers. It would cause strict self-examination, prayer, and dread of hypocrisy, covetousness, and vain-glory, and it should still do so. It would prevent the increase of false professors. Let us learn hence how hateful falsehood is to the God of truth, and not only shun a direct lie, but all advantages from the use of doubtful expressions, and double meaning in our speech.]
Does Jesus endorse tithing? Of course He does. In both Matt 23:23 and Luke 11:42; Jesus says that tithing should be the most basic thing. When you tithe you shouldn’t even see that 10 percent. It’s God’s. Also we read in Heb 7 that tithing was before the law. It was a part of the Abrahamic covenant that still exists and is fulfilled in Jesus. He tithed to Malchizedek (high priest) 430 years before before Moses came with the law. (Undersigned by At Boshoff)
[Note: Is Mr. Boshoff rightfully dividing the Word here?
To understand Matthew 23:23 effectively one needs to read from verse 1!
These were the Words of the Lord Jesus Himself. The Lord Jesus was warning against the Pharisees and rebuked them for putting credence or weight to their tithes. The Lord Jesus says in Matthew 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
The Lord Jesus most certainly does not say that tithing is the most basic thing in this Scripture. In fact He says woe to those that tithe and ignore the important things that God wants. The Lord Jesus in fact says that it is NOT the most basic thing. He says the “weightier” matters are more basic than the tithe.
Luke 11:42 Again out of context and basically the same rebuke goes out to the Pharisees who promoted and relied on tithing as the basic thing at the time of the Temple in Jerusalem.
I do not find: “Jesus says that tithing should be the most basic thing” What I do find is another rebuke to the Pharisees and Scribes who felt very secure in basic tithing: Luk 11:42 But woe unto you, Pharisees! For ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
What I have found in CRC when I used to go there was that they were promoting security in tithing, but the more important and weightier matters such as keeping the Lords commandments in our love for Him, I personally never heard in any sermon by Mr. Boshoff.
Is this not precisely why the Lord Jesus in His Word rebukes the Pharisees?
In Matthew 23:23 and Luke 11:42 the focus is more on the “weightier” matters than the tithe.
A very repetitive part of Scripture used by Mr. Boshoff is Hebrews 7
Gen: 14:18: And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the highest God.
Gen: 14:19: And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth:
Gen: 14:20: And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.
This is to “prove” that tithing was established before the time of Moses, the Torah or law and that tithes have to be given to the priest. To find out what the Melchizedek tithe meant one has to not only read this passage, but also read on to verses 22 & 23.
From verse 18 – 20 it is clear that this was not Abraham’s belongings which were tithed, but rather the booty or loot he had gathered from conquering the enemy.
Gen:14:22: And Abram said to the king of Sodom, I have lift up mine hand unto the LORD, the most high God, the possessor of heaven and earth,
Gen: 14:23: That I will not take from a thread even to a shoe latchet, and that I will not take any thing that is thine, lest thou shouldest say, I have made Abram rich:
Although he gave away 10% of the booty, he stated that he did not even want any of it, because it was not his.
It is also interesting to note that this was a ONCE OFF event, which never took place again.
Ninety percent and more of Scripture quoted for the purposes of pleading for tithes are taken out of context today. God says let few be teachers, because those teachers teaching the flock will be held accountable for what they teach.
A reminder: The Bible does not teach that money should not be used to preach the Gospel and to support brethren (not organisations) in the body of Christ – it is very obvious that mammon should be befriended for this purpose.
But to contort Scripture in this manner shows doctrinal ignorance – hopefully – that rather done so on purpose.
James:3:1: My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation.]
Your allegiance, your tithe, should be given to the church where you are planted. Mal 3 speaks about the coming of Jesus and actually the Holy Spirit. In this we see that we should bring the tithe to the “storehouse” which is your church. Give to God what is God’s. It is God who should be honoured first because He is the source of all your income. Matt 22:17-21 (Undersigned by At Boshoff)
[Note: Reading Mal 10 from verse 1 rather suggests that the audience addressed by God were the priests as already discussed. The “storehouse” is definitely not the New Testament church. The New Testament church is the bride of Christ and not a building built with brick and mortar.]
We work to build the kingdom of God, we shouldn’t work to meet our own needs. People can frustrate the work of God by withholding resources. Let’s evaluate ourselves and rectify places where maybe we’ve neglected to honour God with our finances. If you start today it is never too late.
[Note: The Lord Jesus calls for heed to doctrine rather than finances and I do hope that Mr. Boshoff would rather be obedient to the Lord in the weightier matters.]
This past week-end we saw 470 people giving their lives to Jesus. We are here to possess the Promised Land. Thank you to every one of you for working hard throughout the year and inviting your world to CRC.
[Note: Figures do not impress God. One such an example is: Exo 23:2 Thou shalt not follow a multitude to do evil; neither shalt thou speak in a cause to decline after many to wrest judgment:
Mat 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.
The quote Mr. Boshoff uses in Matthew 23 was discussed already and to conclude, using this verse as a basis for endorsing tithing is basically in support of what the Pharisees promoted – That Mr. Boshoff is teaching here and to the congregation is absolutely the same what the Pharisees were doing.
What is important however and of grave concern, are the proselytes made by CRC. This is also found in Matthew 23 the chapter in which the verse occurs that Mr. Boshoff uses to preach the diametric opposite to what the Lord Jesus says in this chapter: Mat 23:15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
Mat 23:16 Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor!
Mat 23:17 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold?]
We had a fantastic harvest event in Cape Town last week. We saw the entire auditorium filled to the max. Ps. Aidan and Sharon are doing a great work in that city. I believe many good things are still heading our way in Cape Town.
[Note: I suppose it is not worth mentioning all those pastors and lay persons who have left CRC and would like to see Mr. Boshoff repent of his ways.]
They have begun to lay the foundations for the Pretoria Building Project. We are so excited to see how things come together as we follow the instructions of God. As we are now in the time when we have to pay the contractors large sums of money every month, I urge you to give the money you pledged or whatever extra the Holy Spirit lays on your heart.
If you still want to contribute please e-mail finance@crc.org.za
The Kids’ Party is only a week away. Please take part in this as we are going
to make the day special for over 15 000 underprivileged children. If you would like to volunteer or make a donation please contact 051-525 2883.
[Note: It is agreeable that feeding under privileged Children is a very good work, yet the concern remains what these poor children are being fed spiritually when such doctrine as discussed here is being preached.
Hitler once said that if the hearts of the children are won, the next generation will be won.
It is also fact the “Church” of Rome has built a multitude of schools and hospitals and proclaims ex-Cathedra that winning the minds of children before age 7 will ensure that they will be won permanently for the Mother “Church”. I see the same happening at CRC so feeding children is an outward appearance coaxing them into a greater deception of being taught wrong doctrine
Remember what James wrote; if the correct faith is dead the works mean nothing.
It is the correct doctrine that will ensure the correct faith – this is why the works may be more detrimental to the children in the longer term.]
Tiisetso
>> Cause it seems as if everybody who preaches the gospel in your case is a false prophet.
I love it when people ask this question because it amazes me how little they think before they speak. Seriously? Do you know how many pastors there are in the world? Millions and Millions, I have spoken of a mere handfull. So no, EVERYBODY is not a false teacher.
>> And i’m just wondering, do you go to church? Or do you have your own church?
I do not have my own church, I belong to the church aka Bride of Jesus Christ, just like every other born again Christian does in the world. Do you not realise that the CHURCH is not a building but the Bride of Jesus? Inside a church building you can have a congregation of 1000 church goers all proclaiming to be Christian and only 100 are truly born again and belong to the church of Jesus that He built.
I see you are caught in the CRC church, I don’t need to look at your blog to know that there will be a problem if your pastor is AT Boshoff and CRC is your church. You just have to read all the comments under this article to see that.
I’ll take you very seriously if you take me very seriously and don’t insult me off the bat.
Tiisetso
So I did as you asked and I went to look at your website, I see that you are not preaching the gospel of Jesus but instead incorporating biblical scripture into your stories that you write about your every day life. Your blog is like one big movie of who you are right down to some very intimate details that I don’t believe a Christian should be speaking about on the internet and then using scripture to back up your lasciviousness, is just totally wrong.
I would recommend you study the bible and find out what the Word of God says and why scripture can’t just be used out of context the way you use it. I ask you nicely to please read the following:
See chapters: 01 – Charge That To My Account
See chapters: 02 – The Way To The City
See chapters: 03 – Will a Loving God Permit Anyone to be Eternally Lost?
See chapters: 04 – Dreams that Will Never Come True
See chapters: 05 – The Chains of Sin
See chapters: 06 – The Sinless One Made Sin
See chapters: 07 Transgression Forgiven
See chapters: 08 – The Greatest Text in the Bible
See chapters: 09 – How to Become a Child of God
See chapters: 10 – Anathema Maranatha
See chapters: 11 – Inside the Veil and Outside the Camp
See chapters: 12 – Peace by Christ Jesus
You will find that the information presented in the above chapters are a far cry from what At Boshoff will ever preach. Please read them.
Deborah, I have no clue who or what CRC (Corrupt Roman Catholicism? :o)) But we have plenty of these False Prophets here in America. They teach little Bible (they twist) and love your check book. Do I tithe and give offerings at my church? Yes, of course. But my church doesn’t “make merchandise” of us.
John 2:16 And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father’s house an house of merchandise.
2Peter 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
Serious people, if you spend half the time helping other people instead of blogging you might change something in the world!! open your eyes, there are more serious problems in the world than this…grow up!!
And the money thing…The “God loves you” to a kid on the street is good, but he is still going to sleep hungry!! So yes, money does answer things!! The bless me bless you is not going to get the job done!!!
S
>> Serious people, if you spend half the time helping other people
Well thank you S, we are helping people, we help thousands of people all day long.
As for the rest of your comment, we are going to help you now, we request that you read you start reading your bible, because clearly it’s something that you have not done yet.
A Pastor that steals money though tithes by constantly begging and lording over the congregation, and then using some of it as a smoke screen by helping people is NOT Biblical.
[deleted – you question my salvation? I delete your comments. The articles states CLEARLY what the problems are with CRC, I will not repeat them.]
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Truth wrote:
Tonques are in the Bible, so I do not know what your problem is?
Its an awesome gift to receive.
You are welcome to take me on on this topic with bible scripture, but I know you will not, you are scared I show the truth and then expose your strange doctrine.
CRC is an awesome Church with Godly Vision to win the lost, to spread the Gospel and to make disciples.
What is wrong with that? Please dont refer me to your previous doctine as they are poorly structured and make no sense at all since you twist the words to suit your needs.
Do you not think you will be better of to listen to the call of Jesus and spread the Gospel and make disciples.
and {delete me once again}
Blessings and love in Jesus
Thank you for the reply Deborah.
I’m sure everyone knows the bible and can throw scripture left and right as they like. I had a friend that was addicted to drugs, started dealing to feed his addiction. He lost his family and kids. Long story short, he is born again, reconnected with his kids, has a good friend relationship with his ex-wife again. This is the grace of God that made this possible. How can you now want to go say CRC is all about money and the Pastor stealing money? How do you put a price on a father reconnecting with his two kids again? What God bless’ cannot be cursed, if Pastors were stealing money the church would have closed its doors 10+ years ago already and that is clearly not happening. God is not fooled or mocked. Do yourself a favour and have a look at CRC Pakistan. Its one of the most dynamic churches ever, the people are on fire for God, turning their worlds upside down to win people over for Him.
God plants you in a church, there is not a right and wrong church. We are all on the same mission, to expand the kingdom. Wherever you are planted, I pray that you make a big impact. Run your race, not looking and criticizing your neighbour.
CRC Member
>> You are welcome to take me on on this topic with bible scripture, but I know you will not, you are scared I show the truth and then expose your strange doctrine.
If you care to SEARCH this blog, which you are to lazy to do you will find all the answers to your questions, and if you READ the comments you will find that your answers have ALREADY been answered. I am tired of your insults and ‘dares’, hence I am deleting your comments.
There is a Keywords / Categories section to our right in Alphabetical order, search for Tongues and find the article on Tongues with all the scripture to back up that tongues as CEASED.
S
>> I’m sure everyone knows the bible and can throw scripture left and right as they like.
Thanks, I try my best, this is what the bible commands of us, I am sorry you don’t want too know scripture as well and insult those that do know scipture.
>> I had a friend that was addicted to drugs, started dealing to feed his addiction. He lost his family and kids. Long story short, he is born again, reconnected with his kids, has a good friend relationship with his ex-wife again. This is the grace of God that made this possible. How can you now want to go say CRC is all about money and the Pastor stealing money? How do you put a price on a father reconnecting with his two kids again? What God bless’ cannot be cursed, if Pastors were stealing money the church would have closed its doors 10+ years ago already and that is clearly not happening. God is not fooled or mocked. Do yourself a favour and have a look at CRC Pakistan. Its one of the most dynamic churches ever, the people are on fire for God, turning their worlds upside down to win people over for Him.
So what you are saying is that your friend went to a false religion (aka false christian gospel church) and was converted by a false spirit because that is what Satan does he comes to us as an angel of light 2 Corinthians 11:14 “And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.” and he was healed of his drugs, Satan can heal:
and he gets this FIRE you speak about see here The Biblical Holy Spirit vs.The False Unholy Spirit of Fire.
Do you see why it’s soooooo important to know your bible?
>> God plants you in a church, there is not a right and wrong church. We are all on the same mission, to expand the kingdom. Wherever you are planted, I pray that you make a big impact. Run your race, not looking and criticizing your neighbour.
You speak about expanding the kingdom, for who? Yes, a Future Kingdom, but Not a Kingdom Now We are in the last days, the anti-Christ is here, waiting to be exposed, the church as it stands is no longer a ‘christian church’ but a church for the anti-christ with an anti-christ FALSE ‘holy spirit’ that LEADS you to ANOTHER Jesus, NOT the Jesus Christ of the Bible.
I am making an impact, I am warning the small few that will listen that what is going on is not of God, but actually the Roman Catholic Church (a Pagan Babylonian religion) that has swept the world by storm, they come under disguise under the title Vatican II. So what you have is the Vatican and the Catholic church and then Vatican II and their Evangelization program with churches like CRC and TBN (Trinity Broadcasting Network) and every other church out there.
You do not realise it but you are friend is following a Catholic doctrine and so are you and so is everyone else.
Do you agree that Catholic doctrine is of God?
Mystery Babylon
Vatican Fulfulls Biblical Prophecy (Rev 13, 17 and 18) – The False Prophet
CRC Member wrote:
Indeed, tongues are in the Bible. Many things are in the Bible. Adultery is there, murder is there, idolatry is also there and so we can go on and on.
Some years ago a Zulu attended a church service in Kwa-Zulu Natal. For the very first time in his life he encountered something he had never seen and heard before. People were falling down backward; some were speaking in tongues; others were making strange noises like animals, and so on. At first he wanted to leave because what he heard from those who spoke in tongues distressed him. Nonetheless, he decided to stay and to speak to the preacher after the service.
When they had finished their service, the young man went to the preacher and said: “Do you know what some of your church members said when they spoke in those tongues?” “No,” replied the preacher, “but we believe it must be of God because He is blessing us with so many wonderful things in our church. Alcoholics have been delivered from their addiction; marriages are healed; people are being born again; fornicators have abandoned their old lifestyle; our finances are strong and many more.”
The young man continued, “I know the lingo they spoke very well. It is an old dialect I learnt from childhood and they blasphemed, cursed and defiled God’s holy Name and character in the most vile manner. I doubt whether that was from God. Would he empower and inspire someone to do that? I doubt it. It must be of the devil, wouldn’t you agree?”
How can you say tongues is an awesome gift? The word “awesome” means “inspiring an overwhelming feeling of reverence, admiration, or fear; causing or inducing awe: an awesome sight. Showing or characterized by reverence, admiration, or fear; exhibiting or marked by awe.” There is only one gift that fits this description – Jesus Christ, the Son of the living God. I presume you speak in tongues but have you received Jesus yet? And if you have, would you mind telling us how you received Him?
Thanks for the insight. I have never once read where Jesus bible bashed any unbeliever. All He did was give them love, love and more love. The only way you would win me over if you were doing it with love, not by criticizing or pointing out what I’m doing wrong. This is not biblical at all.
Its great to know the bible by heart, it another thing to live it. The greatest command it to love your neighbour, that is clearly not happening over here!! Love people everyday and live beyond yourself, you will find yourself loving people even when you do not agree with what they believe in. This is how you can change your world.
In English please?
Hello , got some email some time ago … and now visited your site … I have dear friends in Jesus at this At Boshoffs church in Milnerton ..and i think they have also via the children been sucked into this funny affair ..have read many of the posts and i was scary and sad to see how people get hurt , how they only wake up much later … and was shocked to hear pretoria crc needs another 60 mil for the church .. this is nogal rof ..real american mega church bucks pressure …. bye almal ……. keep to your prayers and be still before the Lord …
S
>> I have never once read where Jesus bible bashed any unbeliever
Where are we bashing an unbeliever? You making stuff up as you go along I see.
Do you know what love is? Let me explain it to you: LOVE is PREACHING THE GOSPEL 🙂 That is right.
The bible says.
Mark 12:30-31 “30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. 31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.”
Yes we love our neighbour, we love others, as Christians we do not kill, we do not hurt others, we help others, WE LOVE OUR NEIGHBOUR BY PREACHING THE GOSPEL TRUTH TO THEM – What GREATER love is that. Be sure, no unbeliever will be saved by the good works or pie in the sky love, the gospel must be presented – this is love. To bring someone to genuine salvation in Jesus Christ. This is what Jesus Christ did, he sat with sinners and they accepted Him as Lord and Saviour, those however who did not want to know Him, curse at Him and wanted to hurt Him.
Now look what the bible says:
2 John 1:6 “6 And this is love, that we walk according to his commandments; this is the commandment, just as you have heard from the beginning, so that you should walk in it.”
Look what Jesus says:
John 15:10 “If you obey my commandments, you will remain in my love, just as I have obeyed my Father’s commandments and remain in his love.”
S, if I don’t point out what you are doing wrong how on earth are you to know you are on the wrong path? The path is narrow and very few find it – did you know that? This is what the bible says, not me. I am trying to help you here, not condemn you.
Matthew 7:13-14 13Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Now look at your first comment to me, you said the whole world is changing to follow this ‘Jesus’ yet look at what the bible says above? Very few people are going to find Him!
So what is going on S, what exactly is going on in this world of ours that people are going crazy about? Yet the bible tells us the EXACT OPPOSITE will happen in the last days we are currently in (The days of Noah).
Matthew 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
What were the Days of Noah like? It was so evil, soooo evil that God did not even blink an eye to destroy earth with a flood. And look at how many genuine Christians there were, only Noah and his family. This is what is happening again, right now…
In the Bible history repeats it’s over and over.
S. This blog is all about love, love for people. We preach the truth. You think we are being nasty, but we are not. The WORDS OF GOD are powerful and must be spoken, the bible says:
Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
If you are searching your heart because of these words that are spoken to you, do not get upset, instead reason with them and learn instead.
Right now, I believe the Holy Spirit is speaking to you, tugging at your heartstrings. You will hear the truth on this website, so stick around if you want 🙂 It’s all your choice at the end of the day – you have free will.
>> Its great to know the bible by heart, it another thing to live it.
I do not know the bible off by heart, but I try my best to know what I know. And I know Jesus Christ as my Lord and Saviour and I stand up for the gospel truth, no matter what or who thinks they can come and attack it and try change it into something that is falsified that leads people to hell.
Hi Debs, that’s a beautiful reply. I hope S will stay and read some more. A few years ago I was searching and the Holy Spirit guided me to this site. A lot of things I didn’t (still don’t) understand, but I am saved today, by the grace of God – thanks to this site. Stay awhile S.
Hi Dan
Love you so much my dear brother!! 🙂 There is so much I don’t understand as well, but I am eager to figure it out.
I really pray S does stay and I really hope he does listen to that gentle whisper of the Holy Spirit drawing him to a place where he accepts Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour. What a wonderful day that will be, and the Angels in heaven will rejoice.
Dion Knoesen’s argument relating PS At Boshoff is fair, however lets ask ourselves is this effective? Allot of time was dedicated to a problem but our Almighty God is a God of solutions. I refuse to believe Jesus will thank us one day for complaining about a specific pastor spreading doubt and causing division. In fact, this is a characteristic of satan himself(demon meaning destroyer, they break down what God builds up).
Whether this pastor is anointed by God or not, lets not mimic demons but mimic Jesus Christ who is LOVE.We could be spending time saving souls, encouraging people by sharing this great love that was given to us freely by our precious Jesus Christ as a result EXPANDING the the kingdom of God which pleases Him.Do not worry about irrelevant matter’s. The beautiful Holy Spirit is a big boy He can handle any situation as HE finishes ALL God’s work on earth.Jesus says reserve all judgement for me as for you “LOVE”.
I’m truly sorry for all the families who have suffered and people who were hurt by this pastor but just like the world cannot give us joy so it shouldn’t rob us of our joy.We must remember he too is just a man and for better or worse a brother.Many come to salvation through crc(which is dependent on the individuals heart and not the pastors agenda). So lets chill the mighty Shepard is more than capable of looking after His own sheep! Is he not the most powerful force in all the universe? WOW praise Jesus!!!
As for us, lets find it in our hearts to forgive him and move on to things of value.Loving others with the love we have received as sons and daughters of the Almighty God!building up not breaking down. I want you to meditate on this statement by John Wesley(mighty man of God) as i close “I value things only by the price they gain in eternity”… Are we furnishing our mansions in Heaven or are we sleeping on the floor for eternity? Be blessed and stay blessed in Jesus mighty name!
Desmon
It would do you well to read this article: Love Covers All Transgressions
Thank you for the article Deborah your passion for God’s people excites me. I have taken it to heart!Coming from a mutual point of view in this debate it just seems logical that we as brothers should do some research on the author’s who feed us with information as this might tell another story. As the bible says “we will be known by our fruit we produce” so I urge readers to see what the author’s are doing for God’s kingdom because many can say but few are willing to do.
God has ignited me with a passion for His kingdom much like you Deborah… Not to drift off point, the reason i posted was because it hurts me to see so many brothers arguing about matters that take our focus off of Jesus Christ.For He is the way the truth and the life…forever amen
sisters as well…hahaha sorry ladies
Dear Desmond
Thank you for reading the article 🙂
It hurts me to see so much false teaching out there and people mocking and abusing Jesus Christ and trampling on His glourous and precious Name. It hurts me to see people being spoon fed false teaching and will ultimately damn then to hell where they will burn for eternity. Eternity means forever. It hurts me that people who call themselves Christians say they are Christians but yet do nothing about the state of the church that it’s currentlty in – The GREAT APOSTASY as prophecied in the Bible, but sit idly and allow satan to run rampant over your neighbour that they ‘proclaim’ to love.
Do you know what love is Desmond? Love is preaching the unadulterated Gospel of Jesus Christ to people that they may be snatched from the fires of hell in to Jesus’s mighty hands. This is love. Love is fighting for the truth at all costs. Love is standing up for Jesus Christ no matter what. Love is making sure the church opens their eyes to the wolves that are trying to rip their hearts right out of their sockets. This is love Desmond.
Please read the following articles if you will :
Yes, a Future Kingdom, but Not a Kingdom Now
The Biblical Holy Spirit vs.The False Unholy Spirit of Fire
I was away from the website for a few months and it is interesting to read some of the “new” comments on the same old stuff. We must stop referring to At Boshoff as a Christian, he is not! He is misleading thousands!
Welcome back Phil, at least someone understands! There are so few.
I still can not see how people still fall for this crowd. You should see the absolute stuff up of the way people are treated here at CRC Perth that is under At Boshoff. Francis Webster thinks he is untouchable too. Telling people to go before hearing what they have to say. If you not going to be his little puppet on a string you must find somewhere else to go. his true colours come out every single time someone confronts him with the Truth.
Big drive for money so he can sit on his butt and not work. His puppets are hysterical too it is not what the bible says it’s more like what Francis says. (Joke) He can not even keep his own marriage together but the way he talks and be little’s people he has to get real. People who know the Truth are leaving fast. No body is sin free or perfect but you can be a Christian about the way you live and treat people.
Real Christian leaders should act like loving and caring Christians. May God really show the people the Truth soon enough.
“A reminder: The Bible does not teach that money should not be used to preach the Gospel and to support brethren (not organisations) in the body of Christ – it is very obvious that mammon should be befriended for this purpose. – See more at: https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/12/16/at-boshoff-from-crc-church-shows-us-how-pharisees-went-about-honoring-god/#sthash.CZhTZnR1.dpuf”
Please give scripture that state just that.
Thanks
C
Confused
I don’t think that the person who wrote the article should have used the words ‘mammon’ instead they should have said money. I never noticed that until now.
2 Corinthians 9:7 “Every man according as he purposes in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loves a cheerful giver.”
Romans 12:8 ” Or he that exhorts, on exhortation: he that gives, let him do it with simplicity; he that rules, with diligence; he that shows mercy, with cheerfulness.”
Matthew 6:1-3
1 “Be careful not to display your righteousness merely to be seen by people. Otherwise you have no reward with your Father in heaven.
2 Thus whenever you do charitable giving, do not blow a trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in synagogues and on streets so that people will praise them. I tell you the truth, they have their reward.
3 But when you do your giving, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing,