Kim Clement Admits he is a False Prophet

Kim Clement admits to false prophecyRecently a ‘prophet’ was exposed by DTW as being false – Ivin from 220Generation prophecied on the 20th Jan 2009 saying that God spoke to him through a thunderstorm.  God told Ivin that 5 atrocities have occurred or will occur within the next couple of months and be shown on the news, and will shock South Africa half to death and bring the fear of the Lord back to the people of this country.  These things have not come to pass by a long shot.  https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/07/23/the-fires-of-hell-burn-bright-for-220genergation.

Kim Clement is sitting in the same situation…

 

Kim Clement

It’s the same old song and tap-dance

Scenario: A man claims to be a prophet of God. After being caught in multiple false prophecies, he becomes offended, defensive, and all teary-eye when he receives “negative” feedback from Christians who apply the Biblical tests and expose him as a false prophet.

With a wink and a nod, the false prophet makes excuses, seeks sympathy from his followers, and goes to great lengths to twist Scripture to maintain his self-appointed position and following. He feeds his deep-seated pride and arrogance by rewriting and reinterpreting God’s written word. He leads his followers to a false god. His desire is to be the final authority-without question-despite what God’s word says.

It needs to be restated over and over again: Throughout the Bible, God has ZERO TOLERANCE for false prophets. There is no fellowship between God and false prophets (Deuteronomy chapter 13; Deuteronomy 18:20-22; Jeremiah 14:14; Jeremiah 23:31-32; Ezekiel 13:9; Matthew 7:21-23; 2 Peter 2:1).

False prophets are NOT members of the body of Christ, nor are they brothers and sisters in Christ. Every false prophet will have his or her day of reckoning with God at God’s appointed time (Matthew 7:21-23; Revelation 20:11-15).

Just as one cannot be a thief and a law abiding citizen at the same time, one cannot be a false and true prophet at the same time.

Singing and dancing

Known as the “singing prophet,” Kim Clement is a self-proclaimed prophet of God who sings “new revelations” from God and tap-dances his way around false prophecies at the drop of a hat.

In the following paragraphs from an article titled, “Special Message,” note that Kim Clement’s admission to being a false prophet carries with it a subtle warning to his followers, as well as those who would dare speak a word against him:

I want you to have a good time and I want you to know something, that I am genuinely in love with God. I don’t have to tell you that, but I want you to know that I do. And there will also be critics that will be watching now because you don’t understand prophecy, and I understand that. Half the time I don’t even understand myself.

The Bible says we prophesy in part and when I prophesy, I prophesy what I hear. “Kim, are you ever wrong?” Yes I am.  So, if you’re out there to trick me or trip me up, you are wasting your time because I go to God three times a day and I pray. And if I’ve done something that may have misrepresented him I ask him to forgive me. If you don’t fully understand the prophecies it’s best that you don’t get up and try to pull me to pieces making out that I’m a false prophet. There’s a big difference between a false prophet and a true prophet. Now some of you and a lot of you wrote to me and you blessed me, and I thank you for that, but some of your wrote in with concerns that I said some things on this last broadcast where I prophesied from God which I will not apologize about, but I used some language. [June 24, 2010, http://kimclementvault.com/prophecyread.asp?num=410 , emp. added]

Amazing. Simply amazing. When a false prophet looks his audience in the eye and admits he is a false prophet, the long and winding deceptive train has arrived, belching its poisonous steam down the throats of the innocent.

Decision time

Kim Clement is a prophet of God only because he says he is. He sings an incredibly deceptive siren’s song which, like the Sirens in Greek mythology, he woos and sings to his followers, and becons them to crash their spiritual boats onto the rocky shore of destruction and death.

Kim Clement avoids the Biblical warnings on false prophets in favor of “new revelations from God” and what he claims to hear. But God’s written word judged Clement a false prophet the moment he uttered his first false prophecy. He downplays the very God he claims to worship, and tap-dances around God’s holy and inspired word to his own destruction.

Kim Clement is a false prophet. He is to be avoided at all costs.

And how can Christians recognise a false prophet?

Jesus warned us that “false Christs and false prophets” will come and will attempt to deceive even God’s elect (Matthew 24:23-27; see also 2 Peter 3:3 and Jude 17-18). The best way to guard yourself against falsehood and false teachers is to know the truth. To spot a counterfeit, study the real thing. Any believer who “correctly handles the word of truth” (2 Timothy 2:15) and who makes a careful study of the Bible can identify false doctrine. For example, a believer who has read the activities of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit in Matthew 3:16-17 will immediately question any doctrine that denies the Trinity. Therefore, step one is to study the Bible and judge all teaching by what the Scripture says. [ http://www.gotquestions.org/false-teachers.html ]

Take your pick:    Kim Clement or God.

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Please read this article:  False Prophet Kim Clement – A Wolf in Sheep’s Clothing

This article examines Kim Clements teaching in-depth, and lists all this failed prophecies to date.  

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  1. Carolyn

    If Kim Clement was a true prophet of God his prophecies would have been perfect (100%). None of God’s OT prophets were perfect but their prophecies were ALL perfect (100%).

    The anger of the LORD shall not return, until he have executed, and till he have performed the thoughts of his heart:

    in the latter days ye shall consider it perfectly. I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran: I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied. (Jeremiah 23:20-21)

    For I have not sent them, saith the LORD, yet they prophesy a lie in my name; that I might drive you out, and that ye might perish, ye, and the prophets that prophesy unto you. (Jeremiah 27:15).

    God says Kim Clement is a liar and yet you say God has given him a high prophetic calling. Do you want to perish with him?

  2. blank Linda Bijeaux says:

    First of all it’s one thing to expose a false prophet, and quite
    another to say that there are no real prophets today, in
    this day and age. Anyone who would think that has obviously
    not read their bibles. The following scripture is contained in
    1 Corinthians, which was written by the apostle Paul who was
    saved after Jesus died.
    Yet read these words carefully:
    1 Corinthians 12:8 For to one is given through the Spirit the word of
    wisdom, and to another the word of knowledge, according to the same Spirit
    9 to another faith in the same Spirit and to another
    gifts of healings in the one Spirit 10 and to another workings
    of MIRACLES, and to another PROPHESY; and to another discerning of
    Spirits to another DIVERSE KINDS OF TONGUES, but all these worketh
    the one and same Spirit, even to each one severally as HE WILL!!
    The apostle Paul,one of the greatest disciples to have ever lived,
    says the Spirit of God appoints some to PROPHESY. That means that
    TRUE prophets of God are sent by God and equipped by GOD!!
    Here’s another one for anyone who thinks prophesy and speaking in tongues
    is not (or is no longer) of God:
    1 Corinthians 14:39….Therefore, my brothers and sisters be eager
    to PROPHESY and NOT FORBID SPEAKING IN TONGUES;40 But all things
    must be done PROPERLY AND IN AN ORDERLY MANNER.
    Just because someone does not operate strongly in a particular gift, does
    not mean God does not use someone else in that gift….He says the weapons
    of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down
    of strongholds.2 Cor. 10:4
    1 Cor. 1:27 says “But God chose the foolish things of the world,
    to confound the wise and the weak things to confound the strong…”
    I am in agreement that false prophets and false shepherds must be exposed
    but lets not be on a witchhunt for these things. We must allow the Lord
    to lead us. On our own we are not capable of making sound judgement!
    Even Jesus was called an imposter. The word says a prophet is not welcome
    in his own hometown. Sort of familiarity breeds contempt as the saying
    goes. Lets judge prophesy by God’s standard only. If it does not line
    up with the word of God and only causes fear and confusion, it is
    not from the Lord.

  3. Linda

    Please read: Are Prophets for Today or has Prophecy Ceased?

    You are confused with the 2 types of prophecy in the bible, the one is to teach (FORTH TELLING of the truth of the Word of God) the other is to FORETELL the future. Make sure you understand the difference. And then you will see that prophecy has ceased and the gift of inspired preaching and teaching remains.

    Also read this article: Speaking in Tongues

  4. blank jo says:

    I really do feel sorry for you. You want to deny that the 5 fold ministry is still in operation. Paul was converted after the resurection of Jesus. You seem to not want to believe The Holy Bible in that men were inspired of the Holy Spirit to write it. If you dont believe one part then to you it is all false. Just when was the big announcement made that the 5 fold ministry was over and done with. I never heard it and ive been a believer for decades. What do i mean God gave some to be Apostles Prophets Evangelists Pastors and Teachers. When did God say The Holy Bible is over and done with or that it is a lie? I still never heard when that was done. Holy Bible says touch not my annointed and do my prophets no harm.
    Now look if you will at the Book of Revelation. Should we say that John the Beloved was a false prophet since all this time it has not come to pass. God forbid. It was his experience of what he was shown. Are you unaware that prophecy are tellings of things to come. Joseph told of the years of plenty and the lean years and saved many from death. It was something to happen in the future. God doesnt always give a time frame of saying on this date or that this will take place. If the 5 fold ministry even one part of it is over and done with then it all is. Better tell those trying to evangelize and win people to Jesus. Better tell all those that are preachers. Better tell the teachers. Better tell apostles and prophets. Jesus said this world will pass away but my words will not pass away. Refer back to The Holy Bible what it says on a subject before attacking any. I dont belong to any denomination before you ask that. I believe in Jesus as my savior and Lord. And allow The Holy Spirit to lead me into all truths. At least when my flesh doesnt get in the way. Much the same like other humans do. You can choose not to believe The Holy Bible and that all of the 5 fold ministry as its called is still going on its your choice. Others do believe it is. I believe it is. You have your beliefs on things others have theirs. Where does anyones beliefs line up with the word of God. It does not change.
    It gave this avatar and since i dont know where to change it guess am stuck with it. Oh well.

  5. Dear Jo

    >> Should we say that John the Beloved was a false prophet

    Of course not because he is in the Bible, Kim Clement is not mentioned in the bible. False Prophet Kim Clement – A Wolf in Sheep’s Clothing

    Please read:

    Are Prophets for Today or has Prophecy Ceased? Plus read comments.
    False Foundation of Five-Fold Ministry

    Thank you

  6. blank Jill says:

    Kim Clement’s ministry is currently teaching their audience how to do unusual prayers and asking God to strike down and kill their foes. Mistake me if I’m wrong, but isnt it a sin to pray for the death and destruction of another human being? Well, apparently 2016 is going to be a year of many unusual deaths around the U.S. Just a heads up, time to plead the blood of Christ over your life and other fellow Christians.

  7. Thank you Jill for you comment.

    Bible is pretty clear on this. It’s in the 10 commandments, Thou shalt not kill. Clearly Kim Clement is evil, that he disobeys one the the most important commandments hand down by God to men.

  8. blank Rhonda Driscol says:

    Yes, I would like to say that Kim Clement will have to deal with God about any thing he says and put God’s name on it. God knows every man heart and motives. A question for all people to ask their self is : Is every word I speak is of God. Is my motives pure? So, before we try to pluck a splinter in our brother’s eye we need to tend to our plank in our own eye’s. I have also seen people looking for any false in the five fold ministry. We are not God and God does have something to say about slander against others. I would be more conceren about our walk with God then looking at the faults of others. So what is the war between the body of christ, fault finding, jealous of another, the big war that is coming is between the body of christ against each other. In many other states and countries is happening already. A true warrior of christ never leaves a wounded warrior!
    True watchman and gate keeper never stops praying or spiritual watchman, gate keeper.
    A true warrior are the front lines to protect the body of christ. We need to pray for Kim Clement and holding him up to the Lord.
    I don’t know what every body else will do but I truly hope and pray the body of Christ is more careful of touching God’s anointed. It’s God’s job to speak to the people if there is false hood in the camp,, He does not need our help, Mr. Kim Clement, I would like to say I have listen to and bought your materials, teaching tapes and so on, God has used them greatly in my life and many others and this to will pass. Another storm and you and your family will soar above this storm as well. God speed and my heart goes out to you and famkily and prayers as well. Rhonda

  9. Rhonda wrote:

    Yes, I would like to say that Kim Clement will have to deal with God about any thing he says and put God’s name on it. God knows every man heart and motives. A question for all people to ask their self is : Is every word I speak is of God. Is my motives pure? So, before we try to pluck a splinter in our brother’s eye we need to tend to our plank in our own eye’s. I have also seen people looking for any false in the five fold ministry. We are not God and God does have something to say about slander against others. I would be more conceren about our walk with God then looking at the faults of others. So what is the war between the body of christ, fault finding, jealous of another, the big war that is coming is between the body of christ against each other. In many other states and countries is happening already. A true warrior of christ never leaves a wounded warrior!

    Testing the spirits is not slander. It is a command of God every Christian must obey. If you don’t, you are more concerned with your own walk with God and be damned with the rest. Do you call that love?

    Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins. (Jas 5:20)

    Now, you decide whether you want to obey God and warn your brethren against false teachers and prophets like Kim Clement so that they may escape the fangs of wolves in sheeps clothing or let them be devoured by them because you don’t care about their spiritual well-being

    Perhaps you can help me. Where in Scripture do you see Paul praying for false teachers? He prayed for the sheep who were being led astray by them. That is precisely why he wrote the following.

    For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works. (2 Co 11:13-15)

    But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. (Gal 1:8-9)

    You may laud and applaud the false teachers until doomsday but beware of this:

    Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. (2 Th 2:9-12)

    If this does not make your knees knock with fear and trembling, I don’t know what will.

  10. Dear Rhonda

    The idea of a 5 fold ministry is just nonsense. Please read this article: False Foundation of Five-Fold Ministry

    Please note the following as well, Jesus names his Apostles by person, who are the ones who were to establish the church and do miracles.

    Matthew 10:1-8

    1 Jesus called his twelve disciples and gave them authority over unclean spirits so they could cast them out and heal every kind of disease and sickness.
    2 Now these are the names of the twelve apostles: first, Simon (called Peter), and Andrew his brother; James son of Zebedee and John his brother;
    3 Philip and Bartholomew; Thomas and Matthew the tax collector; James the son of Alphaeus, and Thaddaeus;
    4 Simon the Zealot and Judas Iscariot, who betrayed him.

    5 Jesus sent out these twelve, instructing them as follows: “Do not go to Gentile regions and do not enter any Samaritan town.
    6 Go instead to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
    7 As you go, preach this message: ‘The kingdom of heaven is near!’
    8 Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse lepers, cast out demons. Freely you received, freely give.

    Today’s Apostles are what the the Apostle Paul calls ‘super Apostles’ they want to be Apostles but they can’t be. ‘Chiefest Apostles’ or “Super-apostles” is probably the sarcastic title Paul gave to the false apostles who were troubling the Corinthian Church. Perhaps it was even a name they had taken for themselves, like C. Peter Wagner from the NAR who calls himself ‘Apostolic Ambassador’.

    2 Corinthians 11:1-6

    1 Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me.
    2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.
    3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
    4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
    5 For I suppose I was not a whit behind the very chiefest apostles.
    6 But though I be rude in speech, yet not in knowledge; but we have been throughly made manifest among you in all things.

    As you can see false Apostles is not a new thing Rhonda. Listen to what the bible says not what some ‘super Apostle’ wannabe Apostle tells you.

  11. blank Anthony says:

    I’m not trying to attack fellow believers but you should be utterly embarrassed about this blog post. The quote you posted is not even remotely him admitting he is a false prophet. Why would he admit it if he is trying to deceive people? The whole point of a false prophet is to trick people into following false gods right? Return your focus to Jesus and quit calling every one false prophets. It’s just ridiculous at this point.

  12. Hi Anthony,

    Would you say Kim Clement is a false prophet and why?

  13. blank Ray says:

    Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:

    In Christ Alone

    We are not judging him, we are pointing out his false teaching so that other do not fall for his trap. For your info this is what the bible says about those who willingly preach false teaching and lead millions to hell. And of course we pray for them, my goodness what do you take us for.

    As Christians We Must Judge Righteously and Mark Them Which Cause Division and Do Not Tolerate Wicked People

    Don’t worry about anyone doing to hell. If you investigate the scriptures, you’ll find that the Bible teaches that death is the penalty for sin, not eternal torment. While Bible translations use the word ‘hell’, it is not found in either the Old Testament Hebrew, nor the New Testament Greek. In the Old Testament, the Hebrew word ‘sheol’ is used to describe the fate of both the good as well as the bad. It is the grave. In fact, when God warned Adam about the penalty facing him should he sin, He merely stated that man would return to the ground from whence he came. Therefore, since He did not warn Adam about any other penalty, if he were to then send man to eternal torment, He would prove to be extremely unjust, and also a liar. That would also make God a sinner. Think about it and let it sink in. Now the New Testament contains another word, a Greek word which is the equivalent of the Old Testament Hebrew word ‘sheol’ and that word is ‘hades’. We know that it means exactly the same thing because in Acts 2:27, Peter uses the word ‘hades’ when quoting a verse from Psalm 16:10, in which the word ‘sheol’ is used. In every New Testament passage in which Hades is used, it refers to the grave. There is another word that is used only once, and is mistranslated from the Greek. That word is ‘tartaroo’, and the translators obviously confused this verb with the heathen Greek noun, ‘tartarus’, and so was forced to translate ‘tartaroo’ into five words to make it fit (cast them down to hell). However, since it is a verb, it cannot mean ‘hell’, which is a noun. The true meaning of ‘tartaroo’ is that God ‘degraded’ the sinful angels, who were now in a dishonored condition, and with it took from them the ability to materialize [confining them in chains of darkness]. The final word translated ‘hell’ is ‘gehenna’, which by the way no longer exists in its fiery form. Gehenna means ‘the Valley of Hinom’, and was located outside the city of Jerusalem. It is where the ancient disobedient Israelites cast their babies to Moloch (Baal), but was later transformed into the city garbage dump. Jesus used this place as a metaphor to explain that all evil shall one day be annihilated, or burned up, just as the fires which burned in Gehenna totally consumed all that was cast into it, but that the godly will live forever. In Revelation 20:14, it doesn’t speak of gehenna, but instead uses another symbol, ‘the lake of fire’. Just as gehennal is not a literal place, neither is the Lake of Fire, for we read that not only will those who refuse to reform be cast there, but also ‘hades’ (mistranslated ‘hell’) and the condition of ‘death’. Now, since neither the grave (hades), nor the condition of death could experience pain, it would be impossible for them to be tortured. The ‘Lake of Fire’ is a symbol of total destruction. It is at this point that the scripture is fulfilled which says, “the last enemy to be destroyed is death” (1 Cor. 15:26). After death is destroyed, perfected mankind obtains
    eternal life on a paradise earth. Many theologians are aware that these things are true, yet they choose to cleave to a lie. But of course that lie makes God out to be unjust, both because He never warned Adam about a future place of torment, but also the punishment is itself unjust. For if a man lives to be one hundred years of age, and if he sins wickedly every day of those hundred years, how could Justice ever defend sending him to be tortured for a billion billion billion years? Those who teach the eternal hell fire doctrine insist that this man’s suffering will not even cease after that long period, for we are told that it will continue forever and ever. This teaching also would have us believe that God isn’t as loving as the scriptures teach, for it would have us believe that He is quite cruel, and having less love than any human being. This teaching insists that He must also be quite unwise, for we’re told that God imparts to all human beings an immortal soul that can never die (even though Jesus stated that God can destroy both man’s body and soul). We know that God is all-knowing, and was not taken by surprise when Adam and Eve sinned. Therefore it wouldn’t be very wise for Him to give them both an immortal soul, knowing that after they sinned, God would be unable to destroy them. This teaching also pictures God as very weak, for how could He be All-mighty if He was unable to destroy something that He created (their ‘immortal’ souls)? The Bible clearly states that “the soul [human being] that sinneth, it shall die.” It does not say that the person who sins shall be roasted and toasted forever and ever. Many of the so-called verses used to defend the hell fire teaching are found in the highly symbolic book of Revelation, and cannot be understood if taken literally. Likewise, the parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus (Luke 16:19-31) is filled with symbolism, and pertains to the condition that would come upon the Jewish nation in 70 AD, when the Roman general, Titus besieged Jerusalem, and leveled it to the ground. The Jewish nation died, and went to hades, the grave, while the gentiles embraced the Gospel and immediately became children of Abraham (through the promise, ‘in thee and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed’). While the seed of Abraham after the flesh (Jews) was likened to ‘the sand of the seashore’ (earthly), the spiritual seed (the Church) was likened to ‘the stars of the sky’ (heavenly).

    I encourage you to study these things out, for then you will be able to stand on the truth of God’s Word, instead of myths created by the backslidden Catholic church. God bless you.

  14. Ray wrote:

    Don’t worry about anyone doing to hell. If you investigate the scriptures, you’ll find that the Bible teaches that death is the penalty for sin, not eternal torment. While Bible translations use the word ‘hell’, it is not found in either the Old Testament Hebrew, nor the New Testament Greek. In the Old Testament, the Hebrew word ‘sheol’ is used to describe the fate of both the good as well as the bad. It is the grave.

    If there is no hell then Jesus suffered and died on the cross for nothing. Moreover, his resurrection, ascension and his seating at the right hand of his Father also mean nothing. In fact, your view of death and hell obliterates the entire Gospel. Have you never read John 3:16?

    Joh 3:16-17

    (16) For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

    (17) For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through him might be saved.

    Your rendering looks like this.

    Joh 3:16-17

    (16) For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him should not perish (in the grave) but have eternal life.

    (17) For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world (in the grave), but that the world through him might be saved (from the grave).

    So, why do we have so many graveyards where both believers and unbelievers are buried? Why doesn’t God save the believers from the grave which is the punishment for both believers and unbelievers, that’s if the grave, as you said, is the correct meaning of hell? According to you, believers also go to hell (the grave) when they die which makes God a liar because He’s not honoring his promise “should not perish [in the grave] but have eternal life.”

    OK, so your next argument will be that man is not merely a being with a body but also a spirit and a soul. Aha! now that brings us closer to the meaning of spiritual death which tells us that physical and spiritual deaths are two distinctly different things. It tells us that the body goes to the grave when the spirit leaves the body and the spirit goes . . . where? – to the grave as well? I don’t think so.

    What did Jesus mean when He said: “Let the dead bury their dead” in Luke 9:60? He could not have meant that the physically dead should bury their physically dead, could He? I don’t think so. The living ones to whom He referred as being dead must have been spiritually dead whilst their bodies were not yet in the grave (hell, as you say). This obviously brings us to the term “second death.”

    Rev 20:14

    (14) And Hades and death were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

    If hell is merely the grave (Hades), as you believe, then the grave (Hades)” will be cast into the grave (Hades). Silly? You bet!

    If Revelation is merely symbolic and cannot be taken literally then everlasting life cannot be taken literally as well. As you can see, you are the one who is making God a liar.

  15. blank benny luken says:

    it looks like Deborah put you in your place. If you believe Kim, then I can tell you you will also believe the antichrist. Why. Because you have no discerment. Come on snap out of it.

  16. blank Renee says:

    I notice that Deborah cannot leave a sensible reply. All responses are of a facetious nature with snarky remarks. That tells me all I need to know about this web site’s credibility.

  17. blank JoJo says:

    True Believer wrote:

    Deborah,
    You are in error. Let me share with you.

    Ephesians 4:7-16

    7) But unto everyone of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.
    8) Wherefore he said, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
    9) (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
    10) He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
    11) And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
    12) For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
    13) Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ:
    14) That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
    15) But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head even Christ:
    16) From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth , according to the effectual working in the measure of every part , maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.

    In the new testament we are under a new covenant with God, we are under “Grace” & no longer under the “Law”
    The old Testament was the law & the things the prophets like Jeremiah & Ezekiel were saying were things God told them to say to a SPECIFIC group of people.
    Regarding this debate (there are no more prophets after Jesus) the things these old testament prophets said would not apply.

    You know, Christianity is a way of life & this way of life is a life of serving others in love as Jesus did.
    That said, I feel compelled to share this scripture with you.

    2 Timothy 2:23,24

    23) But foolish and unlearned questions avoid knowing that they do gender stifes.
    24) And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient.

    In addition, we are all at different levels/stages of spirituality and what interpretation one may have of a particular scripture or group of scriptures, another may not have or vice versa.

    Here is something God thought was so important to know that he allowed it to be said twice.

    In 1 Chronicles 16: 22
    A little history; verses 4 & 7) King David delivered a Psalm to thank the Lord into the hands of Asaph & his brethren (Levites he (David) had appointed to minister before the Ark of God & to thank and praise God)
    In the Psalm (Verses 21 & 22) David said (talking about how the Lord cared for the people) :
    He (God) suffered no man to do them wrong (He allowed no man to do them wrong): yea he reproved kings for their sakes.
    (reprove =rebuke/express sharp disapproval/ criticism)

    Saying, (meaning God himself said) Touch not mine annointed, and do my prophets no harm.

    Psalm 105 is a repetition of this Psalm that King David wrote and delivered to his brethren.

    Here are a few more scriptures I felt compelled to share with you.

    Proverbs 18:21

    Death and life are in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof.

    This scripture can be interpreted to mean that a person has the power to speak life or death into their life and circumstances, and whatever they speak, (implies repetition) they love and they will eat the fruit of whatever they constantly speak, be it death or life.

    But it also can be interpreted to mean that a person or persons can speak life or death into another person’s life as well.
    If they speak death (negative, evil words, curses etc. ) they are speaking death into anothers life and if speaking death, can be found to be a murderer, and we know

    in I John 3:15 b it states:

    and ye (you) know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

    To bring this a step further Jesus says in St Mathew 12:33-37

    Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.
    O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things?
    for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
    A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things, and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.
    But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
    For by thy words thou shalt be justified , and by thy words thou shalt be
    condemned.

    Proverbs 15:4
    A wholesome tongue is a tree of life.

    There is so much more I could share with you but time & space do not permit me.
    However, It is my sincere prayer that you would read these with an open heart & let the Lord speak to your heart to give you understanding. And it is my hope that you be blessed.

    Proverbs 4:7
    Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom, and with all thy getting get understanding.
    (principal = first in order or importance, main )
    God’s understanding is infinite, ( Psalms 147:5 ) so you can ask him for understanding all the time, and he will give it.

    St Mathew 7:7 Ask and is SHALL be given you; seek & ye SHALL find, knock and it SHALL be opened unto you.

    II Corinthians 1: 20
    For all the promises of God in him are yea and in him amen unto the glory of God by us.

    Be Blessed in Jesus name.

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    True Believer:

    Just wanted to say *Thank You!*
    I found this site when I heard that Kim had passed. I was not real familiar w/him, so not a big fan. I had my doubts when I heard him speak, but that’s what the Holy Spirit is for, right?
    I would not condemn him, however. I just didn’t tune in, when he was on. Like w/many others, who I find to be quite ‘deceiving’. But they get their ‘air time’ b/c they pay for it, I guess.

    I do believe there *are* prophets today. They are few, however. But as the times grow shorter, God said He would raise them up. Dreams, visions, etc. I’ve had them myself. So I know them to be true.
    I also believe things a few here, do not, b/c I have studied alone & w/others, & find them to be Scriptural. For that, I say ‘To each his own’. It’s not going to cause anyone to lose their Salvation in Jesus.
    Just sad, that some may be taking what’s here as ‘gospel truth’, when it’s ‘questionable’ at best. We’ll all ‘know’ when things happen & when we face our Father @ judgement. That’s for sure!

    Those blessed w/the guidance of Christ’s Holy Spirit, will be led by Him, in His Word & His Truth. The main thing in these days as they are now, is to get the Good News out, to those who desperately need to ‘know’. And get it out in ‘love & kindness’, as Jesus Himself did.

    I fully agree w/you, even if others do not, b/c being ‘right’ is more important.
    I agree with ‘some’ of the opinions & comments so far, but as I kept reading…. my spirit rustled.
    Then, the breath of ‘fresh air’ appeared in you. 🙂
    I don’t even know if you’ll see this, b/c of the 5 yrs. that has passed. Or, maybe it won’t be posted. 😉
    I will continue to read more comments when time allows. Just had to comment now, on yours. Hopefully, you will see it.

    May you continue to be blessed with Wisdom, Truth & Discernment in Christ.

  18. Jojo quoted True Believer saying

    You know, Christianity is a way of life & this way of life is a life of serving others in love as Jesus did.

    This is a mantra the Emergent Church is using very effectively to annul biblical doctrine. Rick Warren was one of the very first false prophets to use it to the advantage of his Purpose Driven Life” and “PEACE PLAN” He coined the infamous phrase “Deeds not Creeds.” Now, if you are a Warren admirer you would say that he serves others in love as Jesus did. Really? Jesus (the real biblical One) inspired John to write:

    Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine (creeds) of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
    (2 John 1:9)

    As you can see, those who does not abide in God’s doctrines have never been saved. You may do as much good as you want in your service to mankind but if your service does not align perfectly with His doctrines, your service means nothing, nada, zilch.

    Now let’s examine Kim Clement’s doctrine on sin. He said in an interview Matt Crouch had with him on TBN:

    “. . . let me say something to you. Most of you know that when you were sinners, you didn’t have to be told of your sin. You were aware of your sin all the time. You didn’t have to be told”… Clement goes on to say, “He investigates himself and for the first time in his life, finds that there’s something good inside of him, because the church and the gathering should be a place where you discover the greatness and the treasure of God that’s inside of you, not the bad thing… So, in other words, when they come into our presence, for the first time in their life they hear, they’re saying ‘there’s something beautiful inside of me. There’s something beautiful, there’s something, I know there’s something. I’m investigating, and for the first time in my life I’m finding that yes, there’s a chance for me, there’s a hope for me.’.. for the first time in their lives they’re finding ‘There’s something inside of me that I never knew existed,’ and they fall on their knees and worship God.”

    “I thought that Christianity was based on a relationship resulting from grace. My idea that each person is born with a treasure in their spirit is mocked, and I am accused of being a new age prophet because I will NOT focus on their sin but rather on their treasure”[emphasis his] ……. “I know how a sinner feels because I have been one”……..I do not believe that you must be born again to obtain salvation…….you cannot and will not make a disciple out of a sinner who has been introduced to Jesus Christ on the basis of their sinful inheritance only.”

    Now, if True Believer perchance agrees with Kim Clement and hail him as one of the most illustrious servants mankind ever knew, “True Believer” should ask himself/herself, “Am I really a True Believer?”

    Jesus’ main purpose for coming to earth was, “to seek and to save that which was lost.” (Luke 19:10) and not to serve the poor, the destitute and the marginalized and hence make the world a better place as the Emergent Church believes.

  19. blank MaxJNB says:

    nate wrote:

    Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:

    MG
    No, Kim Clement is 100% FALSE PROPHET and if he lived in the OT he would have been stoned. Luckily for him he lives in the 21st century where he can swindle people like you.

    Well why didn’t Jonah get stoned? Did he not give a false word. He actually said exactly what the Lord told him to say, yet it did not come forth. Does that mean Jonah was a false prophet??

    God will destroy Nineveh (Jonah 3:4) – “Then Jonah began to go through the city one day’s walk; and he cried out and said, “Yet forty days and Nineveh will be overthrown.”
    God won’t destroy Nineveh (Jonah 3:10) – “When God saw their deeds, that they turned from their wicked way, then God relented concerning the calamity which He had declared He would bring upon them. And He did not do it.”
    The solution to this apparent contradiction is very simple. When we examine the Bible, we must look at all of what it says on a subject. If we focus on a small area we will not have the full picture and cannot see the answer that is so often before us. God says in Jeremiah 18:8, “if that nation against which I have spoken turns from its evil, I will relent concerning the calamity I planned to bring on it.” We see that the Lord has said He will not bring judgment if that nation turns from its sin. Nineveh did turn from its sin after Jonah gave them the warning from God.

    “Then the people of Nineveh believed in God; and they called a fast and put on sackcloth from the greatest to the least of them. 6When the word reached the king of Nineveh, he arose from his throne, laid aside his robe from him, covered himself with sackcloth, and sat on the ashes. 7And he issued a proclamation and it said, “In Nineveh by the decree of the king and his nobles: Do not let man, beast, herd, or flock taste a thing. Do not let them eat or drink water. 8″But both man and beast must be covered with sackcloth; and let men call on God earnestly that each may turn from his wicked way and from the violence which is in his hands. 9″Who knows, God may turn and relent, and withdraw His burning anger so that we shall not perish?” (Jonah 3:5-9).

    Therefore, we that because Nineveh repented, God turned from the destruction He had earlier declared.

  20. blank Tina Hamilton says:

    Thank you for your comment and I agree with you Nate. These critical people wouldn’t know a prophecy if it bit them in the butt!! So sad cause they have condemned and judge a prophet of God falsely and by their own standards. I never get on these sites for this very reason — they hang everybody but themselves. I’m sure they don’t mind burning up the buffet bar or some nice juicy gossip or even to criticize their own pastors or leaders over lunch but I know of many prophets and prophetess of God that prophesy the true word of God and if they miss a detail or get something wrong it does not make them a FALSE prophet it makes them a Wrong prophet!! Are we not human?? No wait I guess you great ministers of the Gospel have never made a mistake!! Thanks Nate for allowing me to rant on your comment but you are the only one I saw that has some common sense!! God bless you!!

  21. Tina Hamilton,

    The irony is that you have been bitten by a false prophet who lied many times.

    If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder, And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them; Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul. (Deu 13:1-3)

    Kim Clement taught his followers to worship another Jesus. He explains in his own words concerning the teachings of sin, grace and salvation.

    “I thought that Christianity was based on a relationship resulting from grace. My idea that each person is born with a treasure in their spirit is mocked, and I am accused of being a new age prophet because I will NOT focus on their sin but rather on their treasure”[emphasis his] ……. “I know how a sinner feels because I have been one”……..I do not believe that you must be born again to obtain salvation…….you cannot and will not make a disciple out of a sinner who has been introduced to Jesus Christ on the basis of their sinful inheritance only.”

    Are you going to allow a false prophet to lead you to hell?

  22. Tina Hamilton wrote:

    I’m sure they don’t mind burning up the buffet bar or some nice juicy gossip or even to criticize their own pastors or leaders over lunch but I know of many prophets and prophetess of God that prophesy the true word of God and if they miss a detail or get something wrong it does not make them a FALSE prophet it makes them a Wrong prophet!! Are we not human??

    True prophecies do not come from humans. God inspires true prophets to say what He wants them to say. Do you really believe that God is a liar, inspired by Satan (John 8:44) to make prophets who are but humans to lie on his behalf? You are making a mockery of the God of the Bible.

    Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight! (Isa 5:20-21)

    To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them. (They are not saved) (Isa 8:20)

    Are you saved?

    But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die. (Deu 18:20)

    Kim Clement is dead. Prophecy fulfilled! Period!!

  23. blank Anthony Bilotto says:

    Not saying I know whether Kim was a “true” or a “false” prophet ( not even sure I believe in prophecy itself)- but I’d love to see how some of you folks would have savaged Jesus had you been alive at the time. You seem so sure you could have told the difference.

  24. Anthony Bilotto.

    You must be a superb mathematician, so it seems. Your calculation look something like this:

    Kim Clement = Jesus Christ. Touché! 10/10? NO, minus 0/10. Try again and perhaps you may just learn that Kim Clement was NOT Jesus Christ.

  25. Renee

    So, you don’t mind men like Kim Cl;ement to make snarky remarks wboud Jesus Christ and his Gospel?

  26. blank Alyosha says:

    he seemed to be accurate in,recent prophetical comment re, presidential race, given that i never read or listened to too much, more read headlines and articles on Christian sites and forums.
    God bless
    Alyosha
    ps, thank you guys so much for running this excellent site

  27. Billy,

    You are commanded to test all spirits and not to believe everything you hear without testing it against the Word of God. Anything short of this is blatant disobedience to God. Is that what you want and aim for in life?

  28. blank Eunice says:

    In 2007He said that Trump will be the president and on November 2016 Trump become president. So stop judging. God allowed him to see it before he went to be with Him (The Lord)

  29. Eunice,

    Many people predicted that Trump would become the next president of the USA. What makes Kim Clement so special? There are many things he predicted that did not come about.

    http://www.endtime-prophets.com/kimclement.html

  30. Alyosha

    you said “he seemed to be accurate”

    So? 🙂

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