John Piper – Accepting One Mountain with All the Others
You don’t have to give up Buddha, Krisha, Allah, etc., to follow the Cosmic Christ if you listen to John Piper.
If you just believe in the Cosmic Christ then you will go to heaven. If you just embrace the Cosmic Christ you will go to heaven. It’s that simple. No need to deny anyone. Just place your little statue right next to the other ones.
I found this little gem of a video by John Piper. I think I am going to transcribe this (for those in poorer countries who can’t afford bandwidth – where paper is still a necessity and the printing press has not evolved yet). I don’t think John Piper would mind us spreading his message in an older format for all the millions of truth seeking Christians around the world.
John Piper says:
“In a pluralistic, multi-cultural, relativistic, shrinking world, like ours, this will be harder and harder, and harder to believe.
Because they’re not just in Africa, and Asia, they’re right next door. Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims and Jewish people.
You know them at work; they’re your friends for goodness sakes. And you want them to be!!!
And when they ask you, “Sooooo, you’re saying, if I don’t embrace your Jesus, you think, I’m going to go to hell?”
What are you going to say right there?
“Well it’s kinda complex, well there are disagreements, in the church, and there are a lot of scholars and a lot of opinions and…” Weasel, weasel, weasel!!! We got out of that last week, we are done with that! We are DONE WITH THAT!
We are REAL! With tears rolling down our faces! I don’t want to believe that about you. I want you with me. I’m just a beggar, I have nothing, I am nothing. Jesus came into the world to save everybody!
He wants Samaritans and Muslims and Jews, and Hindus and Buddhists and every race and ethnicity, socio-economic, he wants us reaching out. (Makes hand signs of bringing the world together).
I’m talking to you right now, I want you in heaven with me. Go there.
There is no argument. Go there.
Plead!! So that they see this is not an argument, Like, “OH which Mountain?” It’s not about Mountains!!!
It’s about Christ, God’s Son, came on a rescue mission to every religion!!
Which is why Paul, Jesus and Peter all laid their lives down to reach the nations, the religions.
All missions are going to places today where they don’t want you to come. Well they say, “well if they don’t want us to come then we shouldn’t go. Bologna!!” There wasn’t a city on the planet that wanted Paul too come to, that is why he spent half his life in Jail. Beaten with stripes, 5 times with rods, 3 times shipwrecked over and over. He went into synagogue after synagogue where they drove him out.
You don’t go where you are wanted. You go where you are needed!!!! And you die if you have too. In order to show who he is.” — http://www.youtube.com/v/EOc-l8mJ0Vw
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Religious pluralism, a term used to describe the acceptance of all religious paths as equally valid, promoting coexistence
Right, let’s analyse this sermon.
1) It’s all great Piper speaking about our ‘Pluralistic’ world / Postmodernism –
But fails to mention what he means by that. Because biblically there is only ONE LIVING GOD, and there are also MANY DEAD gods – like Buddha, Krishna, Allah, etc. Now if you come to embrace the false Christ, you will automatically be embracing Buddha, Krishna and Allah and the Eucharistic Roman Catholic Christ because they are all one and the same false god just with different names.
2) What does he mean by “shrinking world”?
Is he speaking about the fact that the world is becoming very connected via technology and that countries are no longer secluded from one another. People from all over the world can instantly connect and speak to someone in Brakpan if they wished using platforms like Skype. This does make the world seem a lot smaller doesn’t it? But is this what he really means? No, he is also implying a world that is becoming one, a world were everyone will be equal and soon follow the same Christ
3) He says, “You know them at work, they’re your friends for goodness sakes. And you want them to be”.
Again John Piper fails to explain what he REALLY means by this. Firstly, when you are a born again Christian you do not hate people, and will never hurt anyone because of the Holy Spirit that abides in you. The 10 commandments were written in your heart as Jesus Christ the Son of God came to fulfil the law. One of them being ‘thou shalt not kill’ for eg.
There is a BIG difference between being friends with other ‘religions’ and being friends or neighbourly with ‘people’ of other faiths. So what does Piper really mean? 1) Does he mean we should celebrate Ramadan with Muslims (Like Brian Mclaren did) so they (the Muslims in this example) can come to embrace Christ? 2) Or does he mean that we are to speak to them about the Gospel of Jesus Christ and if they don’t want to hear we are to leave them alone? Like the bible tells us in: Matthew 10:14 “And whoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when you depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.” Again we also need to make a distinction between having different people of different religions working with you at your work and being friendly with them, vs. trying to be like them in order to gain their favour so they embrace and accept your Christ.
3) He says, “if I don’t embrace your Jesus, you think, I’m going to go to hell?”
Again, why does Piper not clarify what he means by this? It’s all very well embracing this Christ he speaks about but fails to tell you that you HAVE TO denounce the false god(s) in your life. The reason why Piper can just leave this sentence as is, is because the false Christ can be embraced without one having to denounce the other gods in ones life. The false Christ is a neighbourly Christ who embraces everyone including all his fallen angels.
4) He says, “There is no argument.”
But of course there won’t be an argument. Goodness gracious John Piper, what planet have you been living on? Satan is not going to argue with himself. You present to people from different religions backgrounds a false god and of course they will accept him because they have been worshipping a false god anyhow. And as I said earlier; Allah, Krishna, Buddha etc, are all Satanic gods. Bring along the another false Christ and it will be a reunion.
5) He says; “OH which Mountain?” It’s not about Mountains!!!”
Oh YES it is! Using your metaphore, YES it is! As per New Age Occult teaching each of the Major religions are awaiting their false Christ to return. There are 5 major religions and 5 Messiahs for each one. Each false religion sees their god as being the the biggest mountain so to speak.
If we take 4 mountains and represent them as religious gods (Allah, Krishna, Buddha and the Messianic Messiah) and Piper comes along with his false Christ the (Roman Catholic Eucharist Christ) the mountains will all have to be exactly the same size because all the gods from all 5 religions are none other than Satan. There is however a mountain that overshadows these 5 pooofy, dead, mounds of sand passed off as mountains, and that is Jesus Christ the Son of God.
6) He says, “Christ, God’s Son, came on a rescue mission to every religion!”
No where does the bible say that Jesus Christ is going to rescue every religion and save them all! However the false Christ that Piper is speaking about is currently doing that right now; because Buddha is actually the anti-Christ, Krishna is actually the anti-Christ, Allah’s Messiah is actually the anti-Christ and the Catholic Christ is actually the anti-Christ, and the Jews who still await their Messiah will accept the anti-Christ (unless they accept the REAL Messiah who is Jesus Christ the Son of God). You see as per the New World Faith the false Christ is already in each of these religions, it’s the people who have not recognised him yet. But people are starting to recognise him and as time goes by more and more people are recognising him and at a faster rate as each day goes by. Right now, it’s spreading like fire.
7) Paul, Jesus and Peter, all laid their lives down to reach the nations, the religions.”
Has Jesus been demoted? Paul, Jesus and Peter all laid down their lives??? SHOCKER!
8) He says; “All missions are going to places today where they don’t want you to come. Well they say, “well if they don’t want us to come then we shouldn’t go. Bologna!!” There wasn’t a city on the planet that wanted Paul too come to, that is why he spent half his life in Jail. Beaten with stripes, 5 times with rods, 3 times shipwrecked over and over. He went into synagogue after synagogue where they drove him out. You don’t go where you are wanted. You go where you are needed!!!! And you die if you have too. In order to show who he is.”
Oh how men have elevated themselves to the height of Jesus Christ. Does anyone honestly think that laying down your life is going to change anything? No. But under a false Christ’s commandment… Yes. Because you are now dead, you were following the false Christ and he has got you permanently.
I think you totally missed the point as well. Where you are taking it is really way out there. It seems as though you are making up sensationalism-like arguments..and why you are doing that, I’m not sure. John Piper is not going even close to where you have taken this sermon. Yikes. You also sound really angry.
Heather
>> John Piper is not going even close to where you have taken this sermon
Wrong, he has gone further than that. Pay attention to the news Heather, you are FAR behind on what John Piper is doing and socializing with now.
I think the tone of voice that has been taken is very telling. No matter what theology you are arguing for, I don’t see Christ in your condescending, spiteful, prideful, and hateful tone.
I happen to think John piper is being used in mighty ways by God, despite his flaws,( pluralism not being one of them). But even if I did agree with you, even if you were 100% in the right, even if you we’re rebuking heresies (love wins anyone?), this post would still deserve rebuke.
We are bold in our faith; a righteous anger can be appropriate. But there is no righteous anger here. There is no discernment ( I am speaking towards your tact and not your view of JP).
Is there any point in me writing this? It will only be met with snide cynicism, sarcasm, condescension, and pride. Yes, my heart wonders, is there any point at all?
Harrison
Firstly, thanks for insulting me, much appreciated. Do I know you? Did I insult you anywhere? No I didn’t did I.
John Piper follows Rick Warren who follows Satan. I can’t see how that can possibly be a Godly thing. Maybe you do, I don’t.
Secondly, John Piper is a Calvinist who is not saved by Grace, but Elect by Pride. Calvinism is a deadly doctrine that trashes the gospel message of salvation. You can’t get saved in Calvinism. Rick Warren considered himself to be a Calvinist as well… imagine that.
I am sorry if you feel that my reply to you is filled with snide cynicism, sarcasm, condescension, and pride, but I never asked you to read my article, and I never asked you to come and comment and INSULT ME FIRST.
Calvinism is such a lie, that alone proves Piper to be a false teacher. Anything else that he says and does, is just further proof of what we already know, that Piper is a false teacher.
His name equals 666
Goeie dag daar by DTW. Ek onderskryf heelhartig dit wat oor Johannes Calvyn in jul webtuiste verskyn. Ek het van hierdie dwaling bewus geword en standpunt ingeneem nadat ek Dave Hunt se ‘What Love is This’ deeglik bestudeer het. Jul ‘Statement of Faith’ ondersteun ek heelhartig, behalwe oor die doop van gelowiges[ We can agree to differ]. Hoe nou so. Ek het in 2003 uit ‘n gereformeerde agtergrond vry gekom nadat ek die doop bestudeer het en tot die ontnugtering moes kom dat die doop van kinders, totaal onbybels is. Ek het by ‘n Engelse Baptiste gemeenskap gaan kers opsteek en is sedertdien steeds binne die geloof gemeenskap. Ek verskil met van ons leraars oor vele aspekte soos in jul ‘Statement of Faith’. Hulle is bewus daarvan, maar ons sit nie vas daaroor nie. Ek is is ‘n groot aanhanger van Tozer en E H Broadbent se boek ‘The Pilgrim Church’ het my baie geleer oor die ware kerk van Jesus Christus.
Dankie vir jul goeie werk[ ek sien julle kry baie ‘flack’ vanuit baie geledere], maar doen so voort. Ek het vroeër leerstof van ‘Discernment Ministries’ ontvang[veral toe Rick Warren met sy dwalinge begin het].
Jammer dat ek hierdie blad gebruik om standpunt in te neem, maar ek is nie by Facebook of Twitter nie weens hul eensydige [bias] standpunte en Zuckerman se blatante arrogansie.
Hallo Deon, Dankie vir jou skrywe. Inderdaad, ons mag van mekaar verskil behalwe wanneer die leer van verlossing daardeur in die gedrang kom. Ek is ’n gelowige wat op 25-jarige leeftyd uit genade gered is. Ek is klein gedoop en het nie die doop van die gelowige (soos jy daarna verwys) ontvang nie. Gaan ek hemel toe?
Will any of your Piper fanatics please answer the following: Piper was on YouTube once – some time ago, with Warren. It was in Warren’s early days and was making some very unbiblical statements. Why did Piper not rebuke him openly if the Dr. is such a godly man? He was too busy getting on the band wagon.
Shane, as soon someone prefixes the Dr. title, one must know here comes the stance of a ‘learned’ man, and you ‘know nothings’ should shut up. One of our pastors is a PhD. but he is just a teaching elder known by his first name.
Dear Deon Barnard
Piper was not just jumping on the band wagon, his true colours were showing through and I am sure he was very happy that he could finally come out of the Christian closet and enter boldly into the world of Roman Catholicism (Mystery Babylon). I have read quite a bit by John Piper (his old stuff from years ago, pre Rick Warren days) and I can honestly say, nothing he has written is of God.
Genade Tom. Die doop het niks te doen met jou redding nie. Vir my[en baie ander] is dit slegs ‘n beleidenis van my sterwe aan die self [saam met Christus sterf] en saam met hom opstaan – ‘n getuienis voor God se gemeente.[jy het nie ge-“arive’ nie]. My groei as gelowige het toegeneem deur baie stampe en stote[beproewinge]. Die leraar wie my gedoop het, het destyds vir my gesê: “Remember Deon, there is nothing holy about the bath. You will find that the enemy will attack you now more than ever” – en was hy reg! Die pad waardeur ek is was rof, maar ek is daardeur – genade op genade. ‘n Vriend het my per geleentheid gevra – “hoe verwerk jy dit alles”. My antwoord – “kyk ‘op’ my broer, kyk ‘op’.
In ons gemeente is daar talle wie nie gedoop is nie – pragtige kinders van die Here. Dit maak nie van hulle tweedeklas lede van die ecclesia nie.
Ek wil hoegenaamd nie debat voer oor ‘doop’ al dan nie. Die gebeure vervat in ons NT is voldoende vir my.
Hi Deon. Ek respekteer jou wens dat jy nie ‘n debat oor die doop wil voer nie. Daar’s egter een ding wat my bekommer. Wat op aarde het die leraar bedoel toe hy gesê het, “Remember Deon, there is nothing holy about the bath. ”Heilig” beteken tog seer sekerlik om iets of iemand aan die Here te wei of te berei.
A bit of history. When Warren first published ‘Purpose Driven Life'[ I think it was after ‘Purpose Driven Church], I was given the book by my son. Everyone[many] jumped on the ‘Warren’-wagon at the time. I started reading the book but just could not make progress with it. I saw the many translations and paraphrases Warren used to make his points. To me this was a no-no; I never finished the book. At that time many churches used the book for ‘Bible’ study programs. Through ‘Discernment Ministries’ I received a lot of material discerning Warren’s books and teachings. I started a ministry putting packages of material together, discussing it with, and handing it to pastors and dominees, warning them about the dangers of Warren’s teachings – all to no avail. Not a single word from them; they just carried on with their ‘programs’.
So, what is my point. One can be judged by the company you keep; if John Piper cannot shake the Warren – ‘dust from his feet’, how can discerning evangelicals trust him and his many teachings?
Of the many apostate teachings of our day the old saying is applicable: ‘If it is new, it is not true – If it is true, it is not new’.
Tom, ter verduideliking. Wat die leraar[Andy] bedoel het is net wat hy gesê het. Party dopelinge sien die doop as iets heiligs; dit is nie so nie – jy is nie daarna in ander dimensie nie .Die simboliek van die onderdompeling is dit wat ek genoem het. Soos genoem, die NT beskryf genoeg getuienis oor die doop en dit is genoeg vir my om dit te verstaan.
Hi Deon. Ek het maar net gedink dis onvanpas om iets onheiligs aan God toe te dig. Maar, in elk geval, dis jou keuse. Het jy mense al gedoop?
Dear Deon Barnard
Sorry I know you want to not have this conversation, but I just have to ask… 🙂
You said ” “Remember Deon, there is nothing holy about the bath. You will find that the enemy will attack you now more than ever” – en was hy reg! ”
Why would Satan want to attack you more now than ever after being dunked under water that means nothing for ones salvation?
Hi Deborah wrote:
Great question. Hope he answers. 🙂
My greatest concern is that Pastor Andy’s answer in itself is a kind of auto-suggestion, which in turn is demonic. It suggests that every time something goes wrong in my life, I say to myself, “This is an attack of the devil because I was baptised or dunked under water” -“en was hy reg.”
Hi Tom
Yip, I thought along those lines as well, however thanks for adding the part about the auto-suggestion which is as you said, demonic.
Hi Debs. It’s a good thing you emphasised the fact that auto-suggestion is demonic. My enemies could just as well have said, Tom Lessing says, baptism is demonic.
Tom
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