Paul Washer – Practice the Presence: Silence and Meditation
Paul Washer – Practice the Presence: Silence and Meditation
Notes on the Youtube video below (Busyness and Spiritual Discipline by Paul Washer):
The first part has audio problems, but after minute 4:44 the audio is fixed. You can hear him repeating the same lies and leading sincere people away from genuine Faith in Christ. The Presence of God is not an experience. I am in God’s Presence through the blood of Jesus Christ, not by being silent and sitting at His feet. To be sitting at His feet means that you are learning from Him the truth that is written in the Word of God.
Comments are sprinkled throughout. At the very beginning of the message he speaks of silence and meditation (5:50) and cites a poem or something that refers to the sacred silence (6:53). The part were he talks about Practice the Presence is at (21:45) – Paul Washer is quoting “Brother Lawrence – Contemplative Monk” (1611- 1691).
Busyness and Spiritual Discipline by Paul Washer – Youtube on December 10, 2009.
Who was Brother Lawrence:He uses the phrase “Practice the Presence” and refutes the idea that you can pray as you go, but then he gives it heed by saying you must practice the presence in a time of stillness and solitude. He didn’t use those exact words, but that is the message. These are the buzz words. This teaching is being woven into the teaching of those who are trusted and it is sad to recognise it for what it is. A little leaven meant to leaven the whole lump.
“[T]he 17th century [French] monk, Brother Lawrence, developed a technique–mostly through inspiration and intuition–which leads to results akin to those developed by the continued practice of either Zen or mindfulness meditation. In The Practice of the Presence of God” he wrote:
“This made me resolve to give the all for the All: so after having given myself wholly to GOD, to make all the satisfaction I could for my sins, I renounced, for the love of Him, everything that was not He; and I began to live as if there was none but He and I in the world … I worshipped Him the oftenest that I could, keeping my mind in His holy Presence, and recalling it as often as I found it wandered from Him. I found no small pain in this exercise, and yet I continued it, notwithstanding all the difficulties that occurred, without troubling or disquieting myself when my mind had wandered involuntarily. I made this my business, as much all the day long as at the appointed times of prayer; for at all times, every hour, every minute, even in the height of my business, I drove away from my mind everything that was capable of interrupting my thought of GOD. Such has been my common practice ever since I entered into religion.” —Western Mystical Traditions (Quote by Brother Lawrence from First Letter)
Source: –—www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/brotherlawrence.htm
Paul Washer and a few of his staff members at HeartCry Missionary often quote C.S. Lewis and promote his books along with J.I. Packer
Lewis’s Acceptance by Evangelicals
- According to a Christianity Today reader’s poll in 1998, Lewis was rated the most influential writer.
- Though Lewis died in 1963, sales of his books have risen to two million a year.
- In an article commemorating the 100th anniversary of Lewis’s birth, J.I. Packer called him “our patron saint.”
- Christianity Today said Lewis “has come to be the Aquinas, the Augustine, and the Aesop of contemporary Evangelicalism” (“Still Surprised by Lewis,” Christianity Today, Sept. 7, 1998).
- Wheaton College sponsored a lecture series on C.S. Lewis, and Eerdmans published “The Pilgrim’s Guide” to C.S. Lewis.
Lewis’s Heresies
- Christianity Today noted that he was “a man whose theology had decidedly unevangelical elements” (CT, Sept. 7, 1998).
- He believed in purgatory, confessed his sins to a priest, and had the last rites performed by a Catholic priest (C.S. Lewis: A Biography, pp. 198, 301). He received the Catholic sacrament of last rites on July 16, 1963.
- Lewis rejected the doctrine of bodily resurrection (Biblical Discernment Ministries Letter, Sept.-Oct. 1996).
- He believed there is salvation in pagan religions.
- Lewis denied the total depravity of man and the substitutionary atonement of Christ.
- He believed in theistic evolution and rejected the Bible as the infallible Word of God.
- He denied the biblical doctrine of an eternal fiery hell, claiming, instead, that hell is a state of mind: “And every state of mind, left to itself, every shutting up of the creature within the dungeon of its own mind-is, in the end, Hell” (Lewis, The Great Divorce, p. 65).
Source: www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/03/29/the-new-evangelical-evil-fit-for-a-new-dark-age/
Are all the visible leaders falling for mysticism?
All I can say is that when Jesus Christ came the first time, it was a bunch of nobody’s that he called. The leaders were too busy with their own kingdom to be bothered with the Truth. In fact we know that they wanted to destroy the Messiah. There were apparently a few that eventually listened, but not the majority.
This is the other thing that we must always discern. Has someone changed their theology to be more biblical or are they moving away from a biblical position. We must discern which way their theology is moving. I would hate for someone to quote me from the fall of 2006, because I would have been endorsing the very same teaching that I now oppose. Unfortunately, the trend seems to be exactly what the Bible says, Apostasy! That is what we are witnessing.
The thing that makes Washer appealing is his stance against lukewarm Christians and push for personal holiness. Funny how we always seems gravitate back to the law. But as Christians we are not under the law, but under grace.
Paul Washer is a staunch Calvinist believing in the 5 points of Calvinism (TULIP)
- Total Hereditary Depravity
- Unconditional Election
- Limited Atonement
- Irresistible Grace
- Perseverance of the Saints
Paul Washer uses the Purpose Driven Church Model regarding Unity and Church Planting:
6. “Church Planting is the Primary Work of Missions. There are many gifts and callings in the body of Christ, but all of them are to work together on the mission field with the primary goal of planting a biblical church. It is one thing to do mass evangelism and to boast of the numbers of decisions; it is quite another to establish a biblical church.” [Emphasis added] —www.heartcrymissionary.com/about/statement_of_faith/essential_convictions
Paul Washer supports Dominion Theology/ Kingdom Now Teaching:
7. “True Missions is Costly. Amy Carmichael explained that missions is no more and no less than an opportunity to die. We live in a fallen world that is at enmity with God and opposes His truth; therefore, missions and suffering go hand in hand. Any advancement of the kingdom of Christ into the dominion of the devil will be met with warfare. There are many countries and people groups where martyrdom cannot be avoided”. [Emphasis added] —www.heartcrymissionary.com/about/statement_of_faith/essential_convictions
[DTW note: Even though “Amy Carmichael” is speaking about real warfare. Spiritual warfare can be applied to this as well. The buzz words – “advancement of the Kingdom of Christ” is what taking dominion is all about]
Paul Washer refers to HeartCry Missionary as a SOCIETY:
This is very concerning. Born Again Christians are not part of a society. They are part of the Body of Christ. Paul Washer considers his ministry a society of like minded people, with similar interests, purposes and passions.
He is subtly promoting Unity. Like minded people? Why not say born again Christians? Anyhow, it’s all about like-minded people coming together (does not matter what type of Christian you are) as long as you are coming together with one purpose.
“The HeartCry Missionary Society is not a para-church organisation, rather, we are a ministry under the authority and supervision of a local New Testament Church and its elders.
We call ourselves a society simply because the word denotes a proper association of people with similar interests, purposes, or passions. Those of our church and those who faithfully support this ministry have one abiding purpose: That God’s Name be great among the nations through the redemption of men and the building up of Christ’s bride.” [Emphasis added] —www.heartcrymissionary.com/about/accountability/church_and_elders
Some of HeartCry Missionary Recommended Links:
- Grace to You by John MacArthur – in-depth Bible teaching brings the life-transforming truth of God’s Word to millions of people every day.
[DTW note: John Mac Arthur is a Calvinist. Also see article here on John MacArthur exposed – UN connections, and denied the Blood of Jesus Christ and compares Jesus’ Blood as just being ‘liquid’: John MacArthur I pray this is NOT true! ]
- Desiring God by John Piper – Provides God Centered resources from the ministry of Dr. John Piper.
[DTW note: John Piper supports Rick Warren wholeheartedly including contemplative spirituality as he condones Mark Driscoll. See article on John Piper: John Piper – Taking Leave and Asks for Forgiveness . Mark Driscoll on meditation: Mark Driscoll’s RESURGENCE and EMERGENCE with Catholicism
- Justin Peters Ministries
[DTW note: Justin Peters is also a Calvinist]
[EDITED: 27 May 2010 – Paul Washer has rescinded his support for Bill Graham in recent years (The Youth conference video below was filmed in 2002).]
Paul Washer promotes Billy Graham starting 37:00 min into the video.
Billy Graham denies Jesus Christ
Paul Washer and most of the staff at HeartCry Missionary believe in Amillennialism:
Here is a reply to an email I sent to Paul Washer’s Ministry over 2 years ago asking them about Pre-Tribulation, Post-Tribulation, the Rapture, etc.
from: Marc Glass <mdglass[at]heartcrymissionary. com> date: Tue, Jan 29, 2008 at 6:40 PM
subject: Re: HeartCry Missionary Society: For Paul Washer / Marc GlassDeborah,
There are, basically, 3 views on eschatology (the study of the end times).
The first, which you’re most familiar with, is classified as pre-millennial.
A second, as you have mentioned post-millennial. The third, and what most
of HeartCry’s staff believes, amillennial. One very important thing to keep
in mind is that there has been no consensus on what is the correct view for
2,000 years of Christian history. There have been very good and godly men
in each eschatological camp. The proper thing to do is to state what you
believe (and just as important, why you believe it) and then have grace and
love towards those who disagree. This is certainly an issue that if we can
say anything about with certainty, it is that the Scriptures are not
perfectly clear on it. God bless.Marc Glass
What is Amillennialism:
Amillennialism (Latin: a- “no” + millennialism)
Amillennialism is a view in Christian end-times theology named for its rejection of the theory that Jesus Christ will have a thousand-year long, physical reign on the earth. This is in opposition to pre-millennial and some post-millennial views of chapter 20 of the Book of Revelation.
In contrast, the amillennial view holds that the thousand years mentioned in Revelation 20 is a symbolic number, not a literal description; that the millennium has already begun and is identical with the current church age, (or more rarely, that it ended with the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70 – see Preterism).
Amillennialism holds that while Christ’s reign during the millennium is spiritual in nature, at the end of the church age, Christ will return in final judgement and establish a permanent physical reign.”
Teaching
“Amillennialism teaches that the Kingdom of God will not be physically established on earth throughout the “millennium”, but rather
- that Jesus is presently reigning from heaven, seated at the right hand of God the Father, [DTW Note: All mankind has to do is preach the gospel and turn the world into a Christian world so that Christ may finally return and judge the wicked]
- that Jesus also is and will remain with the church until the end of the world, as he promised at the Ascension, [DTW Note: This is because they believe the Church is Israel]
- that at Pentecost, the millennium began, as is shown by Peter using the prophecies of Joel, about the coming of the kingdom, to explain what was happening, [DTW Note: Again they can make this claim because they believe that the Church is Israel and that all prophecies have been fulfilled since 70 A.D.]
- and that, therefore the church and its spread of the good news is Christ’s kingdom. [DTW Note: The church and it’s spreading of the good news is NOT Christ’s Kingdom. The Kingdom of God is the Holy Spirit in every born again Christians life. Amazing how the correct interpretation of scripture changes EVERYTHING.]
Amillennialism also teaches that the binding of Satan described in Revelation has already occurred.
Therefore Satan has been prevented from deceiving the nations i.e., he can’t prevent the spreading of the gospel. This is the only binding he will suffer in history.
Amillennialism is sometimes associated with Idealism as both teach a symbolic interpretation of many of the prophecies of the Bible and especially the Book of Revelation. [DTW Note: Idealism – the tendency to represent things in their ideal forms, rather than as they are.]
Medieval and Reformation periods
Amillennialism gained ground after Christianity became a legal religion. It was systematised by St. Augustine in the fourth century, and this systematisation carried amillennialism over as the dominant eschatology of the Medieval and Reformation periods. Augustine was originally a premillennialist, but he retracted that view, claiming the doctrine was carnal.
Amillennialism was the dominant view of the Protestant Reformers. The Lutheran Church formally rejected chiliasm in the The Augsburg Confession-
“Art. XVII., condemns the Anabaptists and others ‘who now scatter Jewish opinions that, before the resurrection of the dead, the godly shall occupy the kingdom of the world, the wicked being everywhere suppressed.‘”
Likewise, the Swiss Reformer, Heinrich Bullinger wrote up the Second Helvetic Confession which reads
“We also reject the Jewish dream of a millennium, or golden age on earth, before the last judgement.”
John Calvin wrote in Institutes that chiliasm is a “fiction” that is “too childish either to need or to be worth a refutation.” He interpreted the thousand year period of Revelation 20 non-literally, applying it to the “various disturbances that awaited the church, while still toiling on earth.”
chil·i·asm – the belief that Jesus Christ will return to earth in visible form (after the Tribulation) and establish a kingdom too last 1000 years.
Modern times
Amillennialism has been widely held in the Eastern and Oriental Orthodox Churches as well as in the Roman Catholic Church, which generally follows Augustine on this point and which has deemed that pre-millennialism “cannot safely be taught.“
Amillennialism is also common among “mainline” Protestant denominations such as the Lutheran, Reformed, Disciples of Christ, and Anglican churches, and even has a significant following amongst Evangelical Christian denominations.
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amillennialism
Comparison between Amillennialism and Dominion Theology
- The belief in Amillennialism or Preterism also called Victorious eschatology is part and parcel of Dominionist Theology.
Amillennialists believes that we are living in the millennial era and Jesus reigns spiritually from heaven. The destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D means that all prophecy in the Bible has been fulfilled – especially the Book of Revelation.
Amillennialists can claim the earth and must dominate by instilling Christian principles and a moral code which will create a Christian society so that Jesus can manifest His presence one day and judge the wicked.
Dominionists can claim the earth and must dominate by instilling Christian principles and a moral code which will create a Christian society so that Jesus can manifest His presence and rule the world.
Amillennialism teaches that the Church is now Israel because natural Israel has been cut off from God.
Dominionism teaches that the Church is now Israel because natural Israel has been cut off from God. Another word for Dominion Theology is Replacement Theology that teaches that the Church is the replacement for Israel. The many promises made to Israel in the Bible are fulfilled in the Christian church, not in Israel. All promises Abraham made to Israel now belong to the Church.
Martin Luther, like the Catholics, did not hold that the book of Revelation should be among the Canonical books.
C. Peter Wagner (Head Apostle in the New Apostolic Reformation), has openly declared that he is Amillennial/Preterist.
“Victorious eschatology fits dominion theology like a hand in a glove. Eberle and Trench say, “Before Jesus returns, the Church will rise in glory, unity, and maturity. The Kingdom of God will grow and advance until it fills the Earth.”
Victorious eschatology makes a convincing argument that the biblical prophecies concerning the “last days” or the “end times” were literally fulfilled at the time of the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. The end times marked the ending of the old covenant and the beginning of the new covenant. Jesus literally will return to the earth in the future (see Matthew 24:36-25:46), but none of the signs of Matthew 24:4-34 are expected to precede His return, because they have already occurred. This is known by professional theologians as the Partial Preterist view of eschatology, and it is the view with which I personally identify.” — DOMINION! How Kingdom Action Can Change the World p. 61
Dominionism can be traced back to Ambrose of Milan (338-397), who influenced St Augustine, (354-430).
Ambrose believed that the church should exert political authority over the state so that the courts and government would reflect the morality and ethics teachings of the church.
Martin Luther (1483-1546) and John Calvin (1509-1564) were ardent students of St Augustine’s theology.
In 1540 John Calvin set about creating a Genevan Society.
John Calvin’s plan was to incorporate the church into government by restructuring municipal government so that clergy would be involved in municipal decisions, particularly in disciplining the populace.
Dominionists are using a strategy called the ‘7 Mountains’ strategy where they are taking over top positions through a mass ‘Christian’ movement to infiltrate business, government, media, arts, education, family and religion.
Calvin imposed a hierarchy on the Genevan Society
Dominionists are doing the same through the 5 fold ministry concept (Ephesians 4:11). The Apostles being at the top of the hierarchy who will govern the world.
Calvin began a series of statute reforms to impose a strict and uncompromising moral code on the city
Angus Buchan, Elza Meyer, Graham Power, Dion Forster, Stephen Johnson, Bennie Mostert with their programs such as Turn2God, Mighy Men Conference and Global Day of Prayer, are beginning to promote a strict moral and ethical code over the people of South Africa under the name of “Unashamedly Ethical“, which I am sure will become a society soon enough.
The Genevan Society is actually a small scale model of what the Dominionists are currently doing to the whole world, and very successfully I might add.
Calvin’s idea was to enforce a new Christian moral code on the Geneva City.
Dominionists are currently doing the exact same. They are enforcing an ethical code on mankind based on morals, values and principles,
A great emphasis is placed on man’s efforts, good works and the law – the right wing Christian calls it Revival, the left wing Religious calls its social transformation – revival of socialism.
Preterism and Dominionism originated from Roman Catholicism – The Preteristic Catholic church gives us the oldest Dominion Theology model.
Amillennialists believe that there will be no rapture.
Dominionists believe there will not be a rapture either.
Dominion Theology encompasses a special group of believers who will take control of the world.
These ‘special’ people are known as covenant people or overcomers (better known as ‘Joel’s Army’)
These chosen Dominionists see themselves as being elected/chosen by God to bring the world under the submission of the Church.
Calvinism believes in the same thing: Unconditional Election or Predestination
In order for Dominionists to create their new Christian world, the people must be either coerced or lied too, into believing in this false Christianity. Over time if you have not joined the movement you will be declared wicked and punished or purged from society
Calvinism believes in the same thing: Total Hereditary Depravity
Amillennialists believe that there will be no anti-Christ in the future because he already showed himself in 70 A.D. which resulted in the destruction of Jerusalem – Satan is currently bound. Therefore Revelation prophecy has already been fulfilled.
Amillennialists believe there is no coming tribulation as this too took place in 70 A.D.
[DTW note: This is a very scary thought because if the anti-Christ has already been done and dusted back in 70 A.D then the current world should only expect Jesus Christ to return. The world does not need to worry about an anti-Christ at all. This is however completely false as masses of people will end up accepting the false Christ as being Jesus Christ the Son of God.]
The only project for Amillennialists/Dominionists is to reclaim the world for their Christ by preaching a gospel (does not matter what gospel as long as it mentions ‘Christ’).
And in doing so they will create a society of people with similar interests, purposes, or passions that will dominate the world in order to create the Kingdom of God, a Heaven on Earth so that The Christ will return. This is also called ‘God’s Plan or God’s Dream’.
Calvinism, Dominionism, Kingdom Now teaching, Replacement Theology, Latter Rain Manifest Sons of God teaching, Word of Faith, New Apostolic Reformation, Emerging Church Movement, Transformation, Reformation, etc, etc. is all one and the same doctrine…
All these doctrines are can be classified under different things:
- different names,
- different terminology
- different definitions
- different interpretations of scripture
- different eschatology
- different theology
- different ways of receiving the false spirit
The entire point is to make you think they are completely different doctrines when in fact they are all the same and each one of these movements will cause you to die spiritually if you don’t get out – they will ALL lead you back to Rome and to hell.
Good things Washer says but strange stuff he sneaks-in here and there; I think that he might be a jesuit priest; therefore he must be “true” in a way, to reach us and afterwards snuff in deceit…
Have anyone noticed the “ill be honest” videos that are animated with dark bricks and fire in background?
FILLED WITH OCCULT SYMBOLISM; take the “truth” one; starts with an “O” on fire and the top of an “A” on fire: THE EYE ON TOP OF THE PYRAMID THAT IS THE SUN SIRIUS.
Take the “it will cost you everything” one; the vatican’s knights of columbus’s rod of fascism is hidden in there in the background, and steve lawson’s “new reformation” is occult logo and vaticanus/siniaticus/alexandrian texts NKJV; so when this video talks about giving ownership of all that I possess to christ, it speaks of, and is a subliminal mind-set for, MAITREYA/COSMICCHRIST/LUCIFER! Yahshua(Jesus Christ) said to give all to the poor, not to him; this is “GURU” stuff…
ANYWAYS, I could go on and on,,, the point is WASHER IS WOLF IN SHEEP CLOTHING.
Phil
My goodness, I will have to check this out. Can you provide some links?
These videos are by Albert Martin and Steve Lawson:
“truth” video: http://illbehonest.com/Truth-Albert-Martin
“it will cost you everything” video” http://illbehonest.com/It-Will-Cost-You-Everything-Steve-Lawson —> I saw the part of the ‘Axe’ that you are referring too as being the Vatican’s knights of columbus’s rod at 01:59. And you are right about the A being on fire, that is sure as nuts reference to eye of horus.
United Nations:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ua2xv5VsCrM
Maitreya:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRPQ3Xq4qxo
Disinformation Agents:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xiwqVrfGp0
Be careful with Walter Veigh (total onslaught series); for if you search about Helen G White you will find out about her occult stuff about the Kingdom of Christ coming down from Orion…
(7th day adventists are the same fruit trees as Mormons & Jehovah’s witnesses etc… SPEAKING OF LEADERS OF COURSE; MOST FOLLOWERS ARE DECEEVED, or just evil,if knowing all this wicked stuff and still going along).
Textus Recepticus vs Vaticanus/Siniaticus:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBrMcdgfJTc
Walter Veigh’s “changing the word”, from total onslaught,
it is a good video to see changes in bibles; THOUGH be careful: NOTICE WALTER VEIGH INTERRUPTING THE WOMAN (very first sentence of video) SAYING “WHERE THERE WORM DIETH NOT”, SPEAKING OF HELL.
(because Veigh & adventists says hell does not exist)…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isbLWSuG2DY
Salvation vs works, if you search THE bible;
Jesus said he comes not to destroy the law but to fullfil it;
Yes you are saved by grace, that is Jesus taking on your sins to be crushed by his own father instead of you. (and yes the cup is filled with the wrath of almighty God; the nails and torture are just to go along with the wrath).
The works & does not save you but will make you; or the least, or the great, in the Kingdom of God, once saved of course…
DONT TAKE ALL MY WORDS NOR ALL THE VIDEOS’S; SEARCH TO CONFIRM FOR YOURSELFS. THE ONLY WORD YOU CAN TRUST A 100% IS GODS; AND BE CAREFUL WITH JOB’S & SOLOMON’S BOOKS; THERE ARE 2 WISDOMS; GODS WISDOM & WISE REBUKE, & MAN’S “UNDER THE SUN” WISDOM…
one last thing; see these videos (seven seminars), knowing that the “elite” put this guy in jail,,, WHY DO YOU THINK SO?
You will see that science proove creation and not evolution…
I know Im out of subject here…
The Arrivals = disinfo agents, did you know the “holy” koran teaches that the devil resides in your nose!? Hashem on a major news network!? AHAHAHHAAH???
NEW BABYLON IDEAS:
-Vatican city?
-Babil; Iraq? (former Babylon)
-Astana; Kazakhstan? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGHYUWZTiRk (https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/09/11/palace-of-peace-and-reconciliation-located-in-astana-kazakhstan/)
-Dubai; U.A.E? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGeZl-zZmMc
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Like I said; sorry for the “out of subject”, It would have made less sense if posted not after the former messages.
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NOTICE THE heartcry mission logo; double cross inside the eye; we know that symbols can be re-arranged and still mean the same thing as long as all elements are there; double cross under obelisk is st-peter’s square vatican city.
Its a shame when self proclaimed christians spend their time and efforts trying to bring other christians down. Every well know man of God goes thro8ugh the same thing. While I dont claim to be an expert on him,Ive listened to Paul enough to know that he preaches the gospel of Jesus Christ and doesnt water it down.I appreciate what he does and the way he teaches the word. I wouldnt look to any man and expect perfection as only Jesus was perfect. Paul is a man of God and I expect to see him in Heaven one day. The author of this needs to get a life.
Caleb
>> Every well know man of God goes thro8ugh the same thing.
Goes through what? Apostasy? I think not.
No. Every prominent preacher has someone calling them a false prophet and trying to scandalize and slander their name. It happened to Jesus, Apostle Paul, and happens to every famous man of God today.
Caleb
Yes that is true, but does that now make every man a true man of God? No. The Bible tells you over and over to test the words that people speak and line them upto the Word of God, if they DO NOT TIE UP you are to AVOID them. Paul Washer is one of these men, just because he does not look dodgy does not mean he is not dodgy.
I get so so sad when people compare people on earth to what happened to Jesus Christ. How dare you? He IS the Son of God. Paul Washer is NOT Jesus Christ.
Caleb, there is a HUGE difference between being persecuted for preaching/teaching truth and being called out for false teaching. Every true servant of God will suffer for it at some point, but false teachers flourish and are given a pass by the majority of the gullible and undiscerning. In fact, those who DO call out false teachers are the ones who get persecuted for doing so!!!
Sadly, Caleb you seem to be one of the guillable and undiscerning.
Caleb
Firstly we share a common appraisal on Jesus, in the fact that He spoke the Truth and nothing but the Truth. With that being said, it is important to realize that no man on this planet can be put on the level of Jesus Christ, for as mentioned before He was the only perfect man without fault.(He is the Messiah). So then why is it so simple to compare Paul to Jesus in the sense that Jesus was persecuted, now automatically Paul’s actions and sermons have been justified, because he’s not perfect and because of that he is being persecuted?
I acknowledge the fact that no man on this planet to date is perfect, but again this is no justification for teaching things that are not of God and His Truth. In fact God expects us to note them and the brethren in Christ, of their mistakes that they might correct them and if they do not they are not of God.(Titus 1:9-11)(John 8:45-47). So in simple terms, Jesus spoke 100% Truth and because of that he was persecuted by the men of the world, people not of God, people who twisted the scriptures to suit their own vendettas (which is still happening today). On the other hand this article and many more on this site exposes false doctrines and teachings as it should be according to God’s righteous way.(Ezekiel 3:17-21)(Romans 16:17). The True Christians are not of the world, but are in it.(John 17) So why then do these apparent “true Christians” Flourish the way they do? (that however is a topic for another discussion)
From this it is simple to see that by this article pointing out the wrongs of false prophets, is justified by the Word of God. Which is contrary to what most Charismatic, Calvinistic, Catholic and any other large cult will have us believe.
I hope and pray that you are truly lead to see that mediocrity and being nonclinical in the Word of God is not justified by the excuse of imperfection, rather it is this that drives us to see our faults and correct them according to God’s Will. As the man said himself(Paul Washer) – ” the greatest sign that your a Christian is that God is pointing out to you your sins…” (not word for word)
Regards Chris.
Phil
I note that you have seen concerning and troubling sign on the video clips of Paul Washer, I have a small collection of these and still have to investigate those. I am aware that I should not buy into the heartcry ministry, because of this article and of your warnings.
However I wish to clear something on that Hebrew word for meditate, even though it might be something small. You were right in the fact that it is indexed under H1897 and that in some places in scripture it does mean to murmur, mutter, utter, speak, imagine. Thing is in the specific to Psalms as you so quickly pointed out this is used in the meaning of pondering upon ( Righteous pondering ) and that is what is meant by some being “marinated” in the Word. You constantly think and ponder about the scripture, because it is something that is very active in your life. Living a righteous life is a constant thing and therefore we need to think righteously the whole time just as we contend for our faith. (Jude 1:3)(Galatians 5:16-21)
May I remind you that several hypnotic techniques involve the medium of repetition, even in the Charismatic movements they have that constant “praise and worship” which is monotonous repetition of the rhythm and tones to set a mass hypnotic trick on the congregation. Catholics use the same repetition at mass as they pray to their false God in confession the “hail marry”. Bushmen dance in repetitive circles and murmur and mutter things in their native language until they enter a spiritual walk or trance(demonic). Chanting can be found in any form of witchcraft. So even though they seem miles apart all of them use repetition.
The perfect prayer in the Bible however has no repetition in it what so ever. ( Matthew 6:9)
So let us ask ourselves this: If God wanted us to practice His prayer and His doctrine, just as the Satanists, Catholics and bushmen do. Why is it then written in scripture that we will have no fellowship with these people and will not practice any of their rituals? (Ephesians 5:11)(Acts 22:17) and the other scriptures already mentioned concerning this repetition.
I hope that all that I said is clear as to the Word of God. There is no other Truth but His Truth, not the interpretation of the Bible as men would like it and if it is the Holy Spirit leading anyone it will always run in parallelization with the Bible. The Holy Spirit gives us understanding of the True meaning. (John 16:12-15). He does not give us a new Truth, to which we have to meditate to receive. unless gifted other wise and even then we tread on thin ice when it comes to all the false prophets and prophetesses of this dark world.
regards
Chris.
>>So let us ask ourselves this: If God wanted us to practice His prayer and His doctrine, just as the Satanists, Catholics and bushmen do. Why is it then written in scripture that we will have fellowship with these people and will not practice any of their rituals? (Ephesians 5:11)(Acts 22:17) and the other scriptures already mentioned concerning this repetition.
I meant to say have no fellowship with doctrines that are contrary to the Bible. [EDITED BY DTW: I fixed your original comment]
Sorry for the confusion.
Chris.
I must say, you have done well to discern the world. You’re part of it Debbie!
Marcus
I tell you what, how about you come back with a more intelligent comment and then we can debate? and then let’s see who discerns and who doesn’t. In fact I’ll start it off…
So Marcus, explain to me ‘Contemplative Spirituality’?
Everyone here has the addidute of having superior knowledge over one another. It’s amazing how many christians have so much knowledge but seem to be blind and speak only in pride and arrogance. Examine yourselves. Nothing anyone says is out of love or correction. Your boasting is not good Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump of dough? 1- corinthians 5;6. Like the pharisees and sadducees some of you claim to be interpreters of scripture and others observes of the law. Yet none of you talk, and or behave or walk like Christ or his disciples. Some of you spend countless time looking at false teachers feeling good about yourselves because you feel you some how exposed them and you pat yourselves in the back. But you judge them and at the same time you condem yourself to the same judgement. The WORD of God is spoken out of LOVE. Ask yoursleves, do you do this to help others or enter a debate with one another? Christ came rebuking those who claimed to know everythign about God’s word yet they could not see the Son of Man in front of them. Their Hearts were hardened and they themselves thought they had supperior knowledge would not recieve the truth. Mr. Washer makes a lot of Good point and I do not agree with everything he says. That gives no one the right to hold themselves above anyone else. His Passion for God is great and if you are truely concerned pray for him. Do not let your wisdom surpass what God says to be the ultimate gift and power…LOVE. I love the WORD of God but it is not to be used to fight other christians. All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching,for reproof,for correction,for training in righteousness;that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.”(2 Timothy 3:16-17). Please brothers and sisters learn to live and be transformed by the holy spirit of God in which you will become a slave to Christ. Love one another…
A spec of Dust
I think you are the biggest CONTRADICTION on the face of this planet. You speak about “… a little leaven leavens the whole lump of dough?” but you are happy to let Paul Washer leaven the WHOLE LUMP of DOUGH.
I wonder what Jesus thinks of you; it can’t be good.
Deborah,
After reading through all of the comments, I wonder if you realize that your comments can seem a bit condescending at times. In fact, sometimes you sound downright haughty, often mocking people for their view and verbally insulting them.
“Your gravatar is a pentagram. I think you should ‘meditate’ on changing it. Please go and study up on contemplative spirituality, will take you a few weeks. Once you have understood it in its entirety, come back and we can talk again.”
“I’ve had this discussion before with someone that went on for days. The entire conversation is on this blog somewhere… you can search for it. Needless to say I won the debate.”
“If you can’t come up with a decent reply, which you never will, then get behind me.”
“I am from South Africa, buy an Atlas.”
“Paul Washer is the one who needs to get his life in order, and his followers too like you it seems.”
“Regarding the warfare part. Go buy yourself that xbox game that comes with night-vision goggles and get rid of all that aggression.”
“And of course you wont recognise the fruit of the Holy Spirit on this website because you don’t read your Bible and willingly accept false teaching.”
“I tell you what, how about you come back with a more intelligent comment and then we can debate? and then let’s see who discerns and who doesn’t.”
“I think you are the biggest CONTRADICTION on the face of this planet…I wonder what Jesus thinks of you; it can’t be good.”
I can honestly say that what I see in these comments is haughtiness, pride, and nothing more.
I see no love, gentleness, or meekness..
I’m not saying this to offend you, but rather to tell you that your way of presenting your case is very offensive and in the wrong. “Do unto others as you would have others do unto you.” I sincerely pray that you would take this to heart.
I certainly won’t be coming back to this website, but I will pray that God shows you the way.
Paul
Of course you are here to offend me Paul. I love how you don’t quote what others have said to me – that’s ok, I can be verbally offended day in and day out just like you are doing to me now but I am not allowed to answer in return. And by the way Paul, NO WHERE have I INSULTED anyone. Those are comments made in DIRECT CORRELATION to the other persons comment to me.
YOU MY DEAR PAUL are obviously offended at the ARTICLE I wrote, but you don’t have anything to say in return, so you go nitpick for something else.
I see you are not coming back to this site. Good. (Don’t take that as an insult). I would love to have you hang around but gosh, if you are going to offend me day in and day out I would rather have it that you stay away.
[EDITED by DTW:
dear John
Why is that you have an almost identical IP address to Paul?
What does the bible say about lying?
Don’t bother commenting again, you and your friend Paul or alter-ego can go play games else where.]
0___0 jy gee Suid Afrikaners `n slegte naam Deborah.
Dit is ok as jy met mense verskil, dit is verder ok as jy nie 100% glo wat ander glo nie, (as dit nie die basiese leerstellings van die geloof in twyfel trek nie Heb 6:1-3) maar as ons volgelinge van die Messiah genoem word moet ons so optree ook. Die kommentaar wat ek sover gelees het gaan baie oor jy wat ander op hulle plek kan sit. Ook, sif die muggie uit maar sluk die kameel in.
Ek is seker jy gaan `n sarkastiese aanmerking vir my hê. Maar dit is ok.
Ek stem nie saam met alles wat ek al gehoor of gelees het van Paul Washer nie, gelukkig is hy nie die maatstaf van of ek gered is of nie. Daardie maatstaf is die voltooide werk van die Meester Y’shua’ Messiah. [Jesus Christus]
Maar ek kan jou die volgende versekering gee, ek is geestelik meer gestig deur een van sy boodskappe as deur dit wat ek sover op jou site gelees het.
As ek so die plasings lees, kan ek verstaan hoekom Paulus gesê het vrouens stilbly in die gemeente en moet eerder nie ander onderrig nie.
1 Tim 2:11,12; 1 Kor 14:34
Dit is in die Skrif, maar ek dink nie jy sal dit like nie. =)
Shalom
In die skrif Victor… weet ook nie of jy dit sal “like” nie…
The woman is permitted to teach men outside of the assembly (Lk. 2:36-38; Jn. 4:28-30; 20:17-18; Acts 18:24-26; 21:8-9),
to teach other women (Tit. 2:3-5),
and to teach children (II Tim. 1:5; 3:14-15).
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Don’t discount this preacher over one sermon. He is preaching truth about the Gospel and biblical repentance. Listen to all his other sermons on sermonaudio.com and then you decide if he is a false prophet. We are allowed to make mistakes. The total depravity of man is biblical and Paul Washer is an example of a depraved man saved by God’s grace alone; nonetheless, he is still a God-fearing man who is not ashamed of the Gospel. He is not relevant and unashamedly bold in preaching biblical truths.
Reformedthinker
No he is not saved, he is elect. He was saved before he was born according to the wicked gospel of predestination.
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[deleted – I do not have time to argue with Calvinists – there is more than enough info on this blog to answer any question a Calvinist could ever ask and I have no inclination right now to repeat myself over and over and over again – you were asked to read the comments section to find your answers (across multiple articles – please do that]
[deleted – calling me a liar for calling Paul Washer a mystic is certainly not scoring you any brownie points. First and fore most he is a Calvinist – which is damning enough – get over it]
[delete – pay attention ReformedThinker – the answer to your questions have already been answered in the comments section – PLEASE GO READ THEM. I am censoring you because you are refusing to listen to me and READ the comments as I asked. I don’t have time to repeat myself just for you.]
[deleted – do you think insulting me is going to get your comment approved?]
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