Eric von Anderseck – Mystery Christ ‘blowing his Trumpet’ – Identified
Eric von Anderseck – Mystery Christ ‘blowing his Trumpet’ – Identified
It’s Metatron.
Second 8th Week Apostolic Institute of Theology are an online based organisation where you sign up to study with them and they send you ‘biblical’ course material. The problem is the course material is not biblical, the founders of this institute are cult leaders and their entire gospel is based around the Book of Enoch.
Second 8th Week Ministries – South Africa
“God is now pouring out His Grace upon the nations bringing believers back to the Second Covenant of Jesus Christ. The second 8th Week is the time allotted by God for the restoration of the true and living knowledge of Jesus Christ. It is now the time for the body of Christ to come into a unity and oneness that reflect the kingdom of God.” —
This is what Dr. Eric von Anderseck, founder of Second 8th Week, has to say:
“Dear Prospective Students:
On behalf of myself and the staff, I would like to extend a warm welcome to you! As you may know, the church is in an exciting time of transition back to her first love, back to the first works of the Second Covenant of Jesus Christ. As a steward of the house of Jesus Christ, His judgments of mercy for the church were revealed to me in 1982. The word of the Lord said to me:
‘THERE SHALL BE A UNITY THAT SHALL NOT BE FEIGNED, AND A ONENESS THAT WILL NOT BE DECEITFUL.’
The Lord is speaking of the restoration of His church. Before it was in our minds to pray for revival, it was in the mind and heart of God. Before we knew to ask God to return the church to true Apostolic Governance, it was in the mind of our Lord. Before we knew to cry out to God for truth, it was in the mind of the Lord to return the church to the unity of the faith and the cross of Christ. We know that when God gives a word He already has a plan to bring that word to pass and a season for its fulfillment.
What begins as a still small voice that is heard by a few, grows until the word of the Lord fills the earth, making glad the hearts of all those who hear. God has marked this time in church history to restore living apostles to teach and nurture the church. For As God sent Adam to steward His garden so God sends apostles to steward His divine nature in the hearts of His saints. The apostles of Jesus Christ: Peter, John, James, and Paul were called of God to direct the church in righteousness and build the church in faith.
The grace of God did not end with the twelve apostles of Jesus Christ. By step upon step and order by order the church is built by the Spirit of the Lord through living apostles today. The Bible teaches that the New Testament is not the letter of the text, but the living record of Jesus Christ. Therefore apostles teach Christ by the pattern of His covenant and believers live by the power of the Spirit. Second 8th Week Apostolic Institute of Theology has much to offer. If you are a believer in Christ and would like to transition into the Second Covenant to grow up into Christ’s fulness and learn how to minister to others, we welcome you.
The season is manifest for leaders and ministers to join hands to labor in His field, reaping the end time harvest. The righteous rejoice in the equity of God, which we carry to all places, to all brethren, to enrich all in the faith. Enrollment into the Second 8TH Week Apostolic Institute of Theology covers all the basics of the Christian walk and preparation for ministerial duties. Curriculum covers the foundation of truth, why the church needs living apostles today, Discipleship, Doxology Training, Dream Workshop, Pattern Recognition Skills, stewardship, and God’s Intelligent Design for Christ-Centered Spiritual Transformation in the soul. If you are a minister seeking leadership training and accreditation, we welcome you. If you are a minister and have a congregation, Bible study group, or college and you would like to transition into the Second Covenant, we welcome you.
If you are looking for a church home, we welcome you to take our membership course and begin to assemble with us online. Let your hands be strong to labor in righteousness. charity will release the soul of bondage.” — http://www.second8thweek.com
But wait! Not only did Eric von Anderseck get a message from Jesus in 1982, Jesus also gave him one in 1984:
“TELL THEM I AM COME TO BRING LIFE … I AM COME TO BRING THEM OUT OF DARKNESS. LOVE JESUS.” —
But wait, you are probably wanting to know WHO Metatron is?
“For centuries Christians have been fearful of Prophet Enoch’s writings, in part due to the distortion of his identity with Adam’s grandson, named Enoch who was the father of the Mystery Religions and all idolatries and partly due to the confusion of another Enoch, the son of wicked Cain who slew his brother Able.
The Prophet Enoch, a holy man of God, is spoken of in the Bible in Genesis 5:23-24, “And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years. And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.” He was raptured, or translated to heaven, as we read in the book of Hebrews, “By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God” (Heb.11:5).
God was pleased with Enoch so translated him to heaven. It also pleased God to change his name to Metatron and give him a multi-dimensional tour of the cosmos, the mystery of His Throne, God’s creation from beginning to end, and the behind the scenes look at His invisible kingdom and master plan for us” — “Concise Commentary of the Books of Enoch”, Eric W.B. vonAnderseck Th.D, D.D. http://book-of-enoch.org
The following people are apostles at Second 8th Week Ministries in South Africa:
- John Welty
- Rina Bekker
- Nena Kleimola
- George Kleimola
- Cobus Wolmarans
- Bart Neethling
Why Mosselbay? Well…
“‘n Menigde profesieê en openbaringe meld dat daar ‘n groot herlewing sal wees en dat dit in die Kaap provinsie sal begin. Meeste Suid Afrikaners is baie bekend met Siener van Rensburg. Vanaf 1871 tot en met sy dood in 1926 het hy meer as 700 visioene oor die toekoms van Suid Afrika, ander nasies asook wêreld gebeure gehad. Sy profesieê is tot vandag toe veelbesproke.
Hy het die groot griep epidemie van 1918 profeteer; Engeland se verlies van al haar kolonies, die onafhanklikheid van Ierland, Die Chernobyl ramp van 1986, Princess Diana se egskeiding en dood “‘n pragtige Engelse dame in ‘n motor ongeluk wat deur die hele wêreld betreur sou word) asook die bankrotskap en skuld van Amerika en Engeland.
Alhoewel meeste van sy visioene oor wêreldgebeure, politiek en oorloê was, was daar buitengewone openbaringe wat hy ontvang het, wat hy nie kon plaas nie, wat vir ons dalk van belang kan wees en wat inskakel by die huidige visioene in die lug oor Mosselbaai.
In 1924 profeteer hy; “Ek het ‘n eienaardige optog van mense gesien; Ek sien ‘n wawiel rol uit Kaapland oor die ganse Suid Afrika en sien ‘n groot skare mense saamdrom. Dis ver in die toekoms en ek glo nie dis oorlog nie. Dit lyk soos ‘n trek. In die boek ‘Stem van die Profeet’ word daar na hierdie optog verwys as ‘n ossewatrek. Dit weerspreek dan die feit dat die profesie se ‘dis ver in die toekoms.’ Ons is lank nie meer in die era van die ossewa nie. Hierdie is ‘n geestelike profesie, daarom kon die siener nie bepaal wat hierdie skare mense voorstel nie. God lig nou hierdie profesieê uit aan die wat Sy tydvlak verstaan.
Siener van Rensburg meld ook dat die tweede koms van Jesus Christus, ‘n JUBELJAAR sal wees en dat dit sal veroorsaak dat die grense van Suid-Afrika verleng sal word tot in Zimbabwe and Namibia. Hy sê dan ook in een van sy profesieê dat die probleme in Suid Afrika van baie korter duur sal wees as dit vergelyk word met ander lande, want die Here gaan Sy krag en seên oor ons uitstort en so veroorsaak dat Suid Afrika ‘n veilige hawe gaan wees vir Christene van oral oor die wêreld.
Siener van Rensburg het ook voorspel dat “duisende Christene Europa gaan verlaat en na Suid Afrika toe gaan stroom. Hy het gesien hoe hierdie mense se tente staan vanaf die KAAP tot in die Kalahari en Namibiê; vanaf Durban tot in Mosambiek (Maputu). Dit sal tydelike verblyf aan Christene bied; want Suid Afrika sal in daardie tye glo nie net die veiligste land ter wêreld wees nie, maar ook die enigste Christenland. (Stem van die Profeet deur Adriaan Snyman)
Apostel Rina Bekker van Second 8th Week Bedieninge, wat 10 jaar gelede een van Suid Afrika se nuutste Apostoliese bewegings hier in Mosselbaai gestig het, glo dat daar ‘n geestelike skakel is wat hierdie profesieê koppel aan dit wat God nou hier in Mosselbaai doen.
“Ek glo daar is ‘n direkte skakel tussen die Trompet foto’s, die Herder in die wolke en die siener se profesieê. Ek glo dat God duidelik met ons praat deur die Siener se profesieê, wat duidelik verwys na die JUBELJAAR (waarin ons nou is) God bevestig dit nou met hierdie tekens in die lug.”
Die optog van mense en Christene wat van dwarsoor die wêreld instroom na Suid Afrika, spreek van God se wekroep tot al die nasies. Hy roep die massas op na hierdie area om met Sy eindtyd werk te begin. Vyftien jaar gelede het God aan my openbaar dat Sy herlewing hier in Mosselbaai gaan begin, en soos wat God Sy tekens en wonders gaan vermeerder, gaan die boodskap en krag van God soos ‘n wiel uitrol. “Ek het gesien hoe dit begin in Mosselbaai en dan uitrol tot in Kaapstad, dan weer in die teenoorgestelde rigting na Port Elizabeth, dan uit in al die dele van die land, die wêreld in.” Ons leef in ‘n tyd van vervulling van hierdie profesieê.
As ons na die wiel in Siener van Rensburg se profesie kyk kan ons ook die skakel sien met woorde wat in die afgelope paar maande in apostoliese byeenkomste deurgegee is. God het woorde deurgegee oor “die wiel van mobilisasie”, “mobilisasie van die kerk” . In Januarie 2010 het God aan apostel Rina die volgende woord gegee: “Ek mobiliseer nou my kerk.”
Geestelik gesproke is die kerk op ‘n laagtepunt en is dit nodig dat sy sal terugkeer na God se goddelike orde vir geloof, die verbond van Jesus Christus. Ons het briewe ontvang van mense oral oor Afrika wat die foto’s van die Trompet Basuin en die Herder in die wolke gesien het, en hierdie dinge bevestig wat God nou openbaar. Internasionale reaksie stroom nou ook in.” —
OKAY, well this has opened up a whole new can of worms.
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Original photo in the article: Christ appears in cloud at Mosselbay
Rosa Ellis took a photo using her cell phone while in Danabaai where she claims you can clearly see Christ holding a lamb in his arms. Apostle Rina Bekker says this is also a sign of the end times.
And here is a picture of the red trumpet. They say,
“The photo was of a huge trumpet in the sky of Mossel Bay South Africa. This was not a cloud formation, but as you can see in the photo, a clear and unmistakable trumpet. The photograph is authentic and has not been edited in any way.” —
… I think they should have edited the picture cos it looks like a Vuvuzela.
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Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:
Apostle Eric says; Ahhhh that is charity short on Christ!Pat-on-head.LOL
Eric,
Apostle Eric vonAnderseck wrote:
Eric, if it is the case that you have openly posted everything for those who are hungering and thirsting after righeousness then were are the teachings I have that you teach. From the books of Enoch? in particular about the creche in heaven and Melchisidek’s father and mother?
The teaching about “unconverted believers” where you say that before the day of Pentecost Peter was a “Tare” which incidentally is a child of Satan, but after Pentecost he was saved. Even though Jesus told him before Pentecost that his name was written in the Lambs book of life? And you teach that he denied Knowing Jesus before Pentecost because he didn’t have the spirit but after Pentecost he couldn’t be fooled or tricked into a mistake again. And you use this teaching I believe to point to your own infallibility as an apostle. Obviously you have never read Galatians.
The time of dialogue Eric is not over because it never began. You cannot debate scripture because you don’t know it. You cannot even see something as simple as the contradictions in the psuedapigraha against the truth of scripture. For example the fact that in the lost books of Eden Adam is depicted as committing suicide and offering his own blood up to God as an atoning sacrifice for his sin in the garden. Since when was suicide an acceptable sacrifice to God for our sin, and how come the lord showed Adam and then Able the acceptable sacrifice which was from the flocks. Thats right Eric, animal sacrifices in our stead untill the time of Jesus. This is basic stuff Eric to any new believer even.
If you are all about posting truth for seekers than why do you bother coming on places like this and defending yourself? When your’e teachings are questioned you say nothing, and you certainly can’t challenge them on any of your sites. And one more thing Eric…why do you never make live videos of yourself teaching??? and why do you not make yourself known to the churches in America?? and why don’t you go on the t.v on the Christian stations and go public??
Because you know you would get challenged beyond your ability to endure, and your followers would see it.
Eric, as the main teacher in our church said the other night, all corrupt systems contain within itself the seeds of its own destruction. The corrupt systems eat themselves out from within. Such is what will happen to yours of second8thweek. It has already begun. You have lost your right hand men in South Africa, your most staunchest defenders. And when more of your followers will read these sites and see your lack of willingness to discuss your teachings with those who challenge you, than more of those you will lose too.
And as regard my feelings about you Eric, are they love or hate? All I can say is that long ago on bended knees I prayed through deep tears and through gritted teeth ” Lord! crush this mans ministry!!! but not him. Destroy this mans ministry off the face of the earth!!! but not him. And I pray oh Lord that you will use me to do it! or to be part of your plan in doing it! Amen”
You need to deeply repent Eric. And when and if you do I will be the first to embrace you.
Greg.
Eric
ROTFL you are funny, you honestly are funny.
Eric
Thanks for answering those questions, it was a good read and a good laugh here and there. I love how you zap in verses under each answer that HAVE NOTHING to do with the question and answer at hand. Takes some serious skill to do that…or not, anyway.
So Peter, John or Enoch (who ever) appeared in a dream and appointed you an Apostle. Incredible (lol). How do you know it was REALLY them? Tell me how you tested that it was not SATAN who appeared to you in your dream? You do not know what any of these men looked like.
PS, stop putting the URL to your website, I am removing it on purpose if you have not noticed, so just stop and save me time.
Greg
>> Obviously you have never read Galatians.
I’m thinking he has never read the other books surrounding Galatians either. But let’s say he has read it, he certainly does NOT UNDERSTAND the WORD OF GOD at all. He is a ‘Tare’ – that is for sure.
If this is not delusional then I do not know what extremes one has to go it.
Eric you are firstly not an apostle as in the scriptures as they had done their purpose in the completed Word and all these signs in the sky…just like Angus.
You are not believable.
I never went to seminary, in fact, I wouldn’t be caught dead there because I have often heard it called a “cemetery”.
The Gospel is very simple. Nothing beyond the Bible is needed. Self-made extrabiblical apostles add to the Bible. It lifts up the flesh and sets up a pecking order. It opens up a can of worms that leads to error and false teaching. Call it what you want, if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it is a duck even if you call it a cow.
I will give Eric credit in the fact that he seems like a pleasant enough guy and seems to be enjoying his “apostleship” and he isn’t so puffed up that he won’t come here and dialog. Who knows? There may be hope for him yet!
BL
>> Who knows? There may be hope for him yet!
We can only pray!
Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:
Apostle Eric says; Thank you Deb!
Burning Lamp wrote:
Apostle Eric says; Simple in practice, but the mystery of Christ is only unfolded through the stewardship of His Christ as the apostle Paul says; ROMANS 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the MYSTERY, which was kept secret since the world began,
To be established requires increasing in His grace in wisdom, knowledge and understanding. The historical facts are not the mystery, nor the types and shadows of the first covenant which spoke of Christ, but the work of the covenant. Now that is simple! You must be taught this knowledge or you will design a gospel based on your moral-code (law of Moses) which another spirit will give witness to.
That is called the deceitfulness of sin.
Q: It lifts up the flesh and sets up a pecking order.
A: It establishes order. God and His gospel is not a ‘free-for-all’ which is what you see today in the church. This is called ‘lawlessness, and riotousness’ against government.
Q: It opens up a can of worms that leads to error and false teaching.
A: What is it with you and worms?
Q: Call it what you want, if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it is a duck even if you call it a cow.
A: Amen, for each is made after its own kind. Spiritual begets Spiritual, and the Carnal follows the likeness of the carnal (worlds thinking and old covenant practices) which includes those established old and dead traditions which is death unto death.
Eric …do not be so (fakely) simplistic…which is the same strategy that Satan tried to tempt the Lord in the desert with…in fact this is just the way he fools us…manipulating scipture interlectually is his strategy…no one can understand scripture until they really die to a sinful self…absolutely demolish the old man and invite the Saviour in to take control…even study of sciptures and theology cannot do that…ironically it can evoke spiritual pride.
Debs my spelling is atrocious…cannot edit or change after submission…can’t you do somethind about that…can be embarrassing if spelling is wrong,some times i type too fast.
Greg wrote:
Q:Eric, if it is the case that you have openly posted everything for those who are hungering and thirsting after righeousness then were are the teachings I have that you teach. From the books of Enoch?
A: I answered that in the previous post.
Q: in particular about the creche in heaven and Melchisidek’s father and mother?
A: Yes! That is included in the Enoch videos.
Q:The teaching about “unconverted believers” where you say that before the day of Pentecost Peter was a “Tare” which incidentally is a child of Satan, but after Pentecost he was saved.
A: Hummm, I never said that Greg. Jesus was telling him that conversion is after His resurrection. Now Peter teaches that gospel to us today. You need the covenant to be converted, not just the historical facts but following His living Record (1John 5)
Q:Even though Jesus told him before Pentecost that his name was written in the Lambs book of life?
A: Hummm, where does Jesus say that? You may have to help me here.
Q: And you teach that he denied Knowing Jesus before Pentecost because he didn’t have the spirit but after Pentecost he couldn’t be fooled or tricked into a mistake again. And you use this teaching I believe to point to your own infallibility as an apostle. Obviously you have never read Galatians.
A: It is the grace of God, not the person, so that same measure that was bestowed on the apostles is functioning today, remember Jesus Christ the same yesterday and today and forever. Don’t you feel that the souls today are in need to that same understanding of the gospel as the first church.
2 CORINTHIANS 8:6 Insomuch that we desired Titus, that as he had begun, so he would also finish in you the SAME GRACE also.
Q:The time of dialogue Eric is not over because it never began. You cannot debate scripture because you don’t know it. You cannot even see something as simple as the contradictions in the psuedapigraha against the truth of scripture. For example the fact that in the lost books of Eden Adam is depicted as committing suicide and offering his own blood up to God as an atoning sacrifice for his sin in the garden. Since when was suicide an acceptable sacrifice to God for our sin, and how come the lord showed Adam and then Able the acceptable sacrifice which was from the flocks. Thats right Eric, animal sacrifices in our stead untill the time of Jesus. This is basic stuff Eric to any new believer even.
A: I can see you never studied it, but you assume an authority hoping to preserve your own brand of Jesus.
Q: If you are all about posting truth for seekers than why do you bother coming on places like this and defending yourself?
A: For so revealed. EZEKIEL 2:5 And they, whether they will hear, or whether they will FORBEAR, (for they are a rebellious house,) yet shall know that there hath been a prophet among them.
7 And thou shalt speak my words unto them, whether they will hear, or whether they will FORBEAR: for they are most rebellious.
Q: When your’e teachings are questioned you say nothing, and you certainly can’t challenge them on any of your sites.
A: You mean like Charisma? A virus was sent by your friend Steve Page or (Barry?) which I was informed of the forum being shut down. They were not happy about it. His actions were not biblical nor Christian at best. That is a good example of the spirit he was working with all along.
Q: And one more thing Eric…why do you never make live videos of yourself teaching???
A: We do!
Q: and why do you not make yourself known to the churches in America??
A: We do! And have many apostles working there.
Q: and why don’t you go on the t.v on the Christian stations and go public??
A: That depends on the will of God for the future. But we were on Tv in Michigan and I taught at the University of Michigan (Flint) giving lectures *80’s. We had also a radio broadcast there as will as North Carolina.
Lectures, mailers, TV, and radio, with internet. And that was just the start. I have been ordained and licensed by 3 churches. I have a list of confirmations. These things are not my confirmations but God is the One that has given me many visions and dreams of these things. Watch the video!
Q: Eric, as the main teacher in our church said the other night, all corrupt systems contain within itself the seeds of its own destruction. The corrupt systems eat themselves out from within. Such is what will happen to yours of second8thweek.
A: You need to read your bible here Greg. God causes a separation for perfection and sanctification. Satan seeks to divide by aspirations but God for perfection.
Q:It has already begun.
A: LOL.
Q: You have lost your right hand men in South Africa, your most staunchest defenders.
A: Only the Chaff. God gave a word of knowledge regarding these things. You know the gifts of the Spirit! Yes God still speaks to us today. This is called the “Hour of Temptation” So beware that this is the testing you are now facing today. There are 8 things happening at this time;
1. Beginning of Sorrows
2. Jubilee of the Priesthood
3. Gathering of Israel
4. Separation of Wheat and tares
5. Restoration of the Church
6. Day of Visitation
7. Hour of Temptation 8. Second8thWeek of Enoch
Including the 3rd day of Hosea 6 and
Q: And when more of your followers will read these sites and see your lack of willingness to discuss your teachings with those who challenge you, than more of those you will lose too.
A: Are you a prophet, Greg, or is this your way of casting evil suspicions?
Q: And as regard my feelings about you Eric, are they love or hate?
A: It is not Christ, Greg, but a religious zeal to justify yourself before men. Paul did not chase the Pharisees around, but the Pharisees chased Paul around calling him a sect. ACTS 28:22 But we desire to hear of thee what thou thinkest: for as concerning this SECT, we know that every where it is spoken against.
Q: All I can say is that long ago on bended knees I prayed through deep tears and through gritted teeth ” Lord! crush this mans ministry!!!
A:LOL Acts7: 51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.
52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:
53 Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.
54 When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their TEETH.
Q: but not him. Destroy this mans ministry off the face of the earth!!! but not him. And I pray oh Lord that you will use me to do it! or to be part of your plan in doing it! Amen”
A: Did you bind yourself also under a curse? ACTS 23:12 And when it was day, certain of the Jews banded together, and bound themselves under a CURSE, saying that they would neither eat nor drink till they had killed Paul.
Q:You need to deeply repent Eric. And when and if you do I will be the first to embrace you.
A: OK! Thanks for the heads up Greg. I will to the same when you are converted.
Michael
Don’t worry, so is mine. I’m too type at the speed of lightening and then go back and read Klingon instead of English ahahha. If you make any mistakes and you’ve pressed send, just make another comment with your correction and I will go and fix it for ya.
Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:
Apostle Eric says;Deb is a Star Trekkie! We have the whole series here. Space is not the final frontier though.lol
Michael wrote:
Apostle Eric says: Hummmm, thanks Michael, but could you expound for us this concept of ‘spiritual pride’ that’s a new one for me?
Eric,
Its late so I will just pick a random few of you answers.
I asked:
Q:The teaching about “unconverted believers” where you say that before the day of Pentecost Peter was a “Tare” which incidentally is a child of Satan, but after Pentecost he was saved.
And you replied Eric:
A: Hummm, I never said that Greg. Jesus was telling him that conversion is after His resurrection. Now Peter teaches that gospel to us today. You need the covenant to be converted, not just the historical facts but following His living Record (1John 5)
“I never said that…” tut tut, oh yes you did Eric.
Here are some extracts from your teaching…..”UNCONVERTED BELIEVERS”
Let your own words speak for themselves:
Eric, here is some more for people to have a look at. After all, you said you did not call Peter a Tare. But You are calling me one, No? And other believers too?? Because they do not recognise your apostleship and do not speak in tongues??
Apostle Eric vonAnderseck wrote:
So is it not only fair that I challenge your accusation that I am not converted based on your own words???
“Unconverted believers” By Eric vonAnderseck Cont’d
Many in the world are BLESSED because God has revealed Christ to them and they were able to yield their will to the grace of God, and with much joy, make a confession of faith in Jesus Christ. Yet, like Peter, they are BLESSED, but not yet converted. True conversion takes place when the believer is brought into COVENANT with God so that their faith can be JOINED to God through the terms that God set through our Lord, Jesus Christ.
Because Peter was not yet converted, his faith lacked DIRECTION. He was willing to confess Christ one minute and the next, without knowing it, he fell into ERROR. Peter was full of enthusiasm about HIS VIEW of God’s plan for Jesus, and could not tell the difference between his aspirations and true faith. He also did not know that Satan entered into his aspirations to take the message of Christ in another direction.
I’d like to share a letter that came in to Second 8th Week Ministries. This believer, like all believers, admits openly to making ‘mistakes’ in doctrine, but feels that these ‘mistakes’ are NOT ERROR. This is why faith is in crisis.
OK MY WORDS AT THIS POINT I.E GREG:
Above you have already said that Peter was not converted prior to Pentecost. You also say that he fell into Error and that one who falls into Error “HAS NOT GOD” Now you said above that Peter was a believer based on a “CONFESSION OF CHRIST” but again that he was ” NOT CONVERTED” right???
So I said that you said that Peter was a “TARE” i.e a child of Satan prior to Pentecost but you said:
A: Hummm, I never said that Greg. Jesus was telling him that conversion is after His resurrection. Now Peter teaches that gospel to us today. You need the covenant to be converted, not just the historical facts but following His living Record (1John 5)
O.k then, lets look at another of your statements from your teaching
So according to You Eric a believer who is not baptised in the holy spirit evidenced by tongues is a “TARE” a child of Satan??? as was Peter before Pentecost?? NO???
Shall we continue??? How about the bit were you say that Peter could not fall into Error after Pentecost because before Pentecost he had no direction for his faith, it was all based on his own “Aspirations” but after Pentecost he knew
exactly the mind of God?? Which incidentally is the rational you use for your own alleged infallibility in matters of faith.
Greg.
P.s I did study the Lost Books Of Eden but I stopped when Adam committed suicide for about the fourth time and God revived him again. I think it was after the bit where he had thrown himself down onto the rocks and then when he was revived he mixed some of his dried blood he found with some water and offered it to God as a sacrifice for his sin..Should one really need to read on after that Eric???
Eric
You explained YOURSELF perfectly when you said: “The UNCONVERTED BELIEVERS are the TARES whose faith is reprobate. These are the kind of believers that Paul warned the true Christians to watch out for. Peter calls them “cursed children” (II Pet. 2:14), in that they possess a knowledge of Christ, but do not walk according to the terms of His covenant. They fall into a gospel that gives witness to their needs, which is the spirit of this world.”
Whacha gonna do about it? 1) you gotta get rid of all this Enoch stuff, my goodness it’s hellish. DO YOU NOT THINK that if God wanted it in the Bible it would be there? Right? Right! And about your dream, please answer me, how do you know who REALLY visited you in your dream?
Would you mind reading this?
Eric
>> Apostle Eric says;Deb is a Star Trekkie! We have the whole series here. Space is not the final frontier though.lol
I used to watch Star Trek when I was unsaved. You on the other hand have picked up strange beings from reading the Books of Enoch, etc, beings that have attached themselves to you and stifle your thinking and leading you straight to hell.
Tell me Eric, did you read the bible first or the Books of Enoch first? How did you come to read the Books of Enoch – who told you about them? What makes you think they are scriptural? (Notice you are the only one in the whole wide world that thinks this – should make you think that you are wrong).
Eric…SPIRITUAL PRIDE
Some types and diagnostics of spiritual pride
What does pride look like? Spiritual pride is secretive, lurking deep in the human heart, and hard to uncover (Jeremiah 17:9), even when
we examine ourselves. We can look for some signs of pride like the following, many of which of course are inter-related (and some items
could fit under more than one category). Some of these could apply to other forms of pride (intellectual, personal, etc.) as well. This list is
not complete or exhaustive; you can probably identify other forms and symptoms of pride and list them here.
Identify some key forms of pride that you see in your life from the list below. Pray about them; share about them with each other, in order
to pray for each other and to make yourself accountable to each other. Pray with thanksgiving and submission to God in specific ways
contrary to your particular issues with pride.
1. Definition of pride:
2. General approach to spiritual life. What your spiritual life
is based on.
• intellectualism: basing your spiritual life on knowledge or
only on intellectual experience – of the Bible, theology,
etc.; lack of dynamic spiritual life with God, lack of emotion
or desire toward God
• emotionalism: emotion taken too far; spiritual life becomes
subjective and self-centered, not biblically based and Godcentered;
your spiritual life is based on your own feelings
and emotions.
• legalism: Basing the quality of your spiritual life on the
things you do or don’t do, rather than on God’s grace, your
closeness to Him
• hypocrisy: This is more than just failing to practice what you
preach. This is general inconsistency between what you
profess and how you live; or selectively choosing what to
believe or obey, and often with good ways of rationalizing
your choices.
• self-righteousness: More easily recognizing faults in
others than in yourself; being blind to your own faults
• blind enthusiasm – zeal without knowledge. A trap that
many young or immature believers fall into, but older ones
as well. We make pronouncements about things we don’t
really understand. We act enthusiastic but it is grounded
in emotionalism rather than biblical understanding. We
mistake emotionalism for faith. We fail to respect or seek
spiritual wisdom and maturity.
3. intellectual-spiritual pride (general)
• intellectualism
* basing your spiritual life on how much you know;
showing off your knowledge
* rationalism: relying on head knowledge; cold intellectual
faith; unemotional spiritual life, little emotion or desire
toward God
* supposedly being objective, but focused on your intellect
and not God-focused
• lack of intellectual humility. Believing you can, do, or
should expect to, understand everything; getting easily
frustrated or impatient when you don’t understand
something; assuming your understanding is automatically
superior to others, especially those who disagree with you
• lack of intellectual honesty. Using dishonest, false,
emotionalistic, simplistic, or illogical reasoning (which are
actually worldly methods), for example:
* false appeal to authority
To justify yourself, you appeal to religious or scriptural
authority improperly and/or ignore what you need to
change; or appealing to the authority of pastors or of
positions of service – but in a worldly way. (e.g., “obey
me because I’m the lead
Wow, and you thought there was no such thing as SPIRITUAL PRIDE Eric… Now that makes me wonder, HAVE YOU REALLY read the bible, do you REALLY understand it?
Yes…read Jeremiah 17:9…something we all should with honesty and deep prayer…if more Christians did this it would uncover a lot of our heart problems.
Michael wrote:
Apostle Eric says; Hmm, so your saying Michael that knowledge alone saves you?
1. What is then the covenant of Jesus Christ?
2. What about your priesthood; if you can just read a scripture and somehow absorb the contents into a virtue? See how the mind can trick the thinking.
3. And with this perspective of error, there is no need for Apostles?
Michael wrote:
Apostle Eric says; You mean ‘hypocrite’! Those that use the moral-code in place of covenant of faith.
You said though “false Pride”, what is false pride? Is there then a true pride which you tried to define? Ok, maybe I have ‘false pride’ which means I have humbleness of mind to grace and you stand in true pride as resisting grace by your logical theological prejudices.
Apostle Eric says;Deb is a Star Trekkie
Hey Debs then you must be Capt.Kathryn Janeway on the USS Voyager or more likely Sub-commander Vulcan T’Pol on starship Enterprise.
Those visions in the sky at Mossel Bay must be aliens or ufo’s.
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Eric
Eric, how did you deduct your answer from Michael asking us to read Jeremiah 17:9? Actually I am quite dumbfounded right now… No really… it’s like you are reading into stuff that is NOT THERE. You are right however that there is still no need for Apostles.