Passion Conference – Louie Giglio and his Emerging Agenda

JM says:

Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:

Jean,

When you are finished send it my way and I shall post it. 🙂

Louie Giglio doesn’t prey on children. If it is anyone. That is you. I know Louie Giglio personally, and the church he pastors is full of people ages 1-80 there are plenty of adults who follow Louie. I believe your being prideful about what he does.

Ben says:

It looks to me that milo is a Jehovah’s Witness with how he describes the reason that hell and the lake of fire do not exist. His comments are almost word for word from some JW sites I have found and quickly identified them as such.

milo wrote:

NO, Andy, the lake of fire is not eternal torment – the term in Revelation represents eternal death for those who reject the creator. Most of Revelation is symbolic. No it’s not plain and clear and it’s not from the Bible – NONE of the scriptures support this doctrine. The hell-fire doctrine came into being by the pagan religions. You are right that nobody has to be there, and nobody will be there.
…..and Jesus wants everybody in heaven – according to the Bible, the larger number of people will live on earth with Jesus being their King under God’s heavenly kingdom. There will be 144,000 from mankind who will go to heaven and be co-rulers with Jesus over mankind on earth.
Following some scriptures and thoughts for you to consider regarding the hell-fire doctrine:
The word “hell” is found in many Bible translations. In the same verses different translations read “the grave,” “the World of the dead,” and so forth. Other Bibles simply transliterate the original language words that are sometimes rendered “hell”; that is, they express them with the letters of our alphabet, but leave the words untranslated. What are those words? The Hebrew she’ohl’ and its Greek equivalent hai’des, which refer, not to an individual burial place, but to the common grave of dead mankind; also the Greek ge’enna, which is used as a symbol of eternal destruction. However, both in Christendom and in many non-Christian religions it is taught that hell is a place inhabited by demons and where the wicked, after death, are punished (and some believe that this is with torment).
Eccl. 9:5, 10: “The living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all. All that your hand finds to do, do with your very power, for there is no work nor devising nor knowledge nor wisdom in Sheol, the place to which you are going. (If they are conscious of nothing, they obviously feel no pain.)
Ps. 146:4: “His spirit goes out; he goes back to his ground; in that day his thoughts do perish.”
Eccl. 18:4 The soul that is sinning – it itself will die.
The concept of ‘soul,’ meaning a purely spiritual, immaterial reality, separate from the ‘body,’ … does not exist in the Bible.
According to the King James Version, Jesus was in hell after he died. Do you think Jehovah, his father, would put his only begotten son in a place of torment? My Bible renders that term “Ha’des,” which is correct. It simply means “death.” He was dead for three days before he was resurrected.
God told Adam in Gen: 3:19 that he was taken from the ground and that dust he was and to dust he will return. Eternal and lasting death was his punishment for being disobedient to his creator his creator – not eternal torment in some fire pit.
Rev: 20:13,14 talks about the sea and death and hell (hades) delivering up the dead in them. Notice that death and hell or hades is thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is symbolic for the second death or everlasting death, a death from which there is no chance of being resurrected.
1 Thess 1:9 and Matt 25:46 those who do not accept God and obey him will undergo the judicial punishment of everlasting destruction.
Romans 6:23 says the wages sin pays is death – not eternal punishment.
Romans 6:7 says he who has died has been acquitted from his sin. Death, not eternal punishment, is the penalty for sin.
What would you think of a parent who held his child’s hand over a fire to punish the child for wrong-doing? “God is love.” (1 John 4:8) Would he do what no right-minded human parent would do? Certainly not!
The hell fire doctrine is not found in the Bible, and the churches who teach this doctrine claim the demons will also be in this fiery abyss and will be the tormentors of humans thrown in there. How much sense does that make? Especially since Revelation talks about Satan and his demons being destroyed with everlasting death. Satan is the one responsible for all badness and wickedness. Why would a loving and just God allow him to continue living and tormenting?
Psalms 37:9-11 is just one of the many scriptures in the Bible that shows the evildoers will be cut off and the ones hoping in God will possess the earth. When Jesus was on earth, his message was about God’s Kingdom and how it would bring blessings to mankind. God created mankind to live forever on this earth without dying, but Adam and Eve sinned and we inherited that sin, which is why we grow old, get sick, and die. True Christens are foot-step followers of Christ and share the same message with people that he did. That is what God wants us to be doing. The hell-fire doctrine is a lie and Satan is responsible for spreading that lie. Lies about Jesus and God alienate people from them and that’s what Satan wants. He challenged Jehovah’s right to rule people from the beginning when he lied to Eve in the Garden of Eden. Jehovah will destroy him and all his demons, and his faithful ones will see his purpose fulfilled and see their loved ones resurrected back to earth and given a chance for everlasting life. So we all have a choice to make. We can choose Jehovah, the almighty creator, and have everlasting life, or we can side with Satan and his wicked lies, and be cut off from life eternally.