What a Tragedy ‘Prophet’ Kobus van Rensburg
Please go here to read more about Kobus van Rensburg:
[NEWS UPDATE – Kobus van Rensburg claims God healed him, and is telling all his followers this. It has come to my attention that Kobus van Rensburg is in remission, BUT he did receive medication and Chemotherapy. Kobus van Rensburg is still preaching Latter Rain Manifest Sons of God teaching and even more so promoting that one can be IMMORTAL on earth. He also teaches his followers that they are Christ. Please read the comments below (there are many of them) to see the degree of heresy and insanity taught by Kobus van Rensburg. Also note his followers are not shy in threatening those who stand again Kobus van Rensburg.]
It’s a Tragedy
It has come to my attention that Kobus van Rensburg from Spirit Word Ministries has cancer and is very ill from what I have heard. His wife Annalise is appearing more and more on his Spirit Word TV channel instead of Kobus as he battles to speak or is just not well enough. There is very little information about this on the Internet. Almost as if no one is supposed to find out.
I wrote an article on Kobus here about 2 years ago exposing him as a false prophet, who proclaimed thousands healed from cancer and HIV/AIDS, etc. He still is a false teacher – nothing has changed, except he himself now has cancer.
So back to Kobus, and thinking about this situation of his. The only thoughts that come to my mind is; ‘what a tragedy’. Here is a man who you can’t even approach and say,
“Dear Kobus, have you heard about Jesus Christ. He is the ONLY One who can save you. Repent of your sin, repent of everything you have done. It makes no difference what you have done, God forgives everyone who comes to Him asking for forgiveness. Jesus Christ the Son of God gave His life so that you may receive eternal life – if you want it. If you don’t want it and prefer to try be your own little god, you WILL fail and you WILL find yourself facing eternal punishment for doing exactly what Adam and Eve did by falling for Satan’s lie, ‘You surely will not die if you want to be like God?’ Well, yes Kobus you will.
Genesis 3:4-5
4 “The serpent said to the woman, “You surely will not die!
5 “For God knows that in the day you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”
Satan wanted to like God:
Isaiah 14:14
14 ‘I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.’
Satan is the father of Lies:
John 8:44
“You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
How easy it is for Satan to lead men astray:
2 Corinthians 11:3
But I am afraid that, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, your minds will be led astray from the simplicity and purity of devotion to Christ.
There is a face book site dedicated to Kobus van Rensburg (having said that it does not state what’s wrong with him). All you will find is people leaving comments praying for him to get well soon. You will see the theme of ‘immortality’ come across through the many comments left. You see Kobus van Rensburg has reached godhood, and is therefore immortal. Are you confused? Don’t worry. Me too. Apparently in Latter Rain / Manifest Sons of God teaching you can be dead and alive all at the same time….I think.
Facebook: Kobus Van Rensburg will live and not die!!!!!
Now, it’s all very well to pray for Kobus to get well and that God heals him, but without Kobus coming to the Lord Jesus Christ to be saved all hope is lost.
Kobus went to see T B Joshua (Church of All Nations SCOAN) in Nigeria and reported that after coming back to SA had a great anointing of power in his life. Well Kobus, with the demonic power given to you, you were given demonic cancer as well.
“Repent Kobus, before it’s too late. You are not immortal, you are not a god, you are a sinner in dire need of a Saviour and that Saviour is Jesus Christ the Son of God, who gave His life that you may be saved. Through genuine repentance of your sin (everything you have done) and believing in Jesus Christ through faith you can be saved. You might not beat this cancer Kobus, but you will beat a 2nd death and receive eternal life if only you turn from your wickedness and ask God forgiveness through His Only begotten Son Jesus Christ. Humble yourself for once before the One and Only Living God like everyone else on this earth will have to do sooner or later. Get on your knees Kobus, you are no better than anyone else on this earth of ours. I repent every day of my life for the sinner that I am who needs constant saving. What makes you think you are so special? You are not! Ask God for forgiveness before it’s too late”.
If anyone can find more information on Kobus’ condition, it would be appreciated. I have contacted Spirit Word Ministries and received no reply.
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Sharon
>> I am not making any comment here
Yeah…ok if you say so.
Rom 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
2Ti 1:10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:
Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Rom 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
Rom 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Rom 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
1Pe 1:12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.
1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
Joh 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
Joh 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die.
Heb 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Mar 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
Mar 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
Joh 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
Joh 10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
Joh 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
Joh 10:37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
Joh 10:38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.
1Jn 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
Rom 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Rom 8:30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
Joh 17:1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
Joh 17:2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
Joh 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
Joh 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
Joh 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
Joh 17:6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.
Joh 17:7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.
Joh 17:8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.
Joh 17:9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
Joh 17:10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.
Joh 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
Joh 17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
Joh 17:13 And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves.
Joh 17:14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
Joh 17:15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.
Joh 17:16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
Joh 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
Joh 17:18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
Joh 17:19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.
Joh 17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
Joh 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
Joh 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
Joh 17:23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
Joh 17:24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.
Joh 17:25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.
Joh 17:26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.
Jer 29:11 For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the LORD, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end.
Jer 29:12 Then shall ye call upon me, and ye shall go and pray unto me, and I will hearken unto you.
Jer 29:13 And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.
Jer 29:14 And I will be found of you, saith the LORD:
Gal 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ;
Renthia
Um, there is a big difference between coming Jesus Christ and become like Jesus Christ when one is truly saved. While on earth, you are mortal and you will get sick (because this is called life) and then you will die. But if you are genuinely saved, you will not die a 2nd death – a spiritual death and will receive eternal life. On earth you are not immortal, you are….mortal.
When you are born again you have the Holy Spirit that comes to abide in you immediately. He leads you into all truth. And a regeneration takes place where through the Holy Spirit’s conviction of sin in your life you repent and strive to live a holy life, hence you start to become more like Christ. His blood shed on the cross will wash away your sin when you believe in Him . You will NEVER become Him, or be anywhere near HIS level. You can not forgive sins, and never will be able too either. But it does not stop there, your regeneration while on this earth is continuous and you will remain sinful whether you like it or not because we are born into a sinful world – hence your constant repenting, and humbling yourself before your KING.
But you will NEVER BE Jesus Christ, or a god for that matter. To think this is blasphemous. If you think you can be on the same level as Jesus Christ or higher then it just shows you how much you think of Him. Not much. And the bible says He does not tolerate those who think these vile thoughts and He will tell you that He does not know you either and ask you to depart from Him.
Renthia,
On this article
https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/01/02/the-whole-counsel-of-god/#more-7388
No one, let me repeat; no one in his right mind will take anything you say seriously unless you correctly exegete the scriptures and use the WHOLE CONTEXT that these scriptures are written in. This is flooding the audience with scriptures out of their context (that would be historical, contextual and grammatical). I could draw any conclusion I want from the scriptures you so skillfully copy and pasted.
It’s like this. person A says scripture X means yuxz to them. Person B says it measn xyz to them. You see a problem?
Col 1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
1Co 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
1Co 2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
Eph 1:9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:
Eph 3:3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
Eph 3:4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
Eph 3:5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
Eph 3:6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
Never thought one could spam scripture, until now. That’s how they do bible study at the fiery castle of immortality. They don’t teach ‘to whom was it written, why was it written, what is the author addressing, what was going on at that time, who is the audience…etc’. Nope, they just throw scriptures at you continuously then say; ‘see, it says xyz’. You cannot question them immortal teachers because ‘they are using scripture’.
Renthia, do me a favour please and breathe (in and out), then engage your mind. You have allowed yourself to be hypnotized through this vacuous, vain repetition.
…click
Michael
>> Never thought one could spam scripture, until now.
Hahaha. SPAM. That’s the word I was looking for, but you said it.
Renthia
Instead of just quoting scripture ‘spam’ style, would you mind explaining to us why you are using the verses you are using and to back up what exactly? If not your next comment will be deleted.
Renthia
I really don’t know what you are trying to say. I have read all your scriptures and noticed that you have really mixed then up and they really don’t make any sense the way you have used them.
Paul teaches us in 1 Cor 4 that we should be worthy and faithful stewards of the Gospel/mysteries of God.
1Cor 4:1 Let a man so account of us, as of ministers of Christ, and stewards
of the mysteries of God.
1Cor 4:2 Here, moreover, it is required in stewards, that a man be found
faithful.
Ok, what does this scripture mean in practice?
For me it means that I should bring the Word of God entrusted to me to people or “blogs” that cross my path. In this I must make sure that I bring the Word correctly used in its context so that its true meaning becomes apparent. This would also include explaining the implications of this Word to them and their lives.
Renthia, by looking at your posts, I cannot say that you are a faithful steward of the mysteries of God . . .
You bring more confusion and I know that God does not bring confusion.
He ALWAYS gives you a clearer understanding of His Word.
AMEN ?
Concerning Kobus van Rensburg . . .
The following scripture was brought to my mind when I read about this man:
2John 1:5 And now, dear lady, I am not writing you a new command but one we have had from the beginning. I ask that we love one another.
2John 1:6 And this is love: that we walk in obedience to his commands. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you walk in love.
2John 1:7 Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist.
2John 1:8 Watch out that you do not lose what you have worked for, but that you may be rewarded fully.
2John 1:9 Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son.
2John 1:10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him.
2John 1:11 Anyone who welcomes him shares in his wicked work.
I don’t think a lot of explanation is needed regarding this scripture BUT please do note the following:
It was written to a lady to keep her from going “astray” and “losing” her “reward”.
NOW I noticed that in this blog it is mainly ladies who is “defending” this Kobus guy . . . Is there perhaps another “snake” in operation here?
The men seems to be more cautious and is not following him “blindly” …Why?
Maybe the ladies should be “listening” more to the more discerning men and also be a bit more cautious ?
I also get the impression that this Kobus guy knows how to use “emotions”
to get people to follow him and that’s why the ladies “fall” for him… Also, humbleness does not make you go to heaven …
I challenge you ladies, please for once just stand back from your emotional attachment to this man and really compare his teaching to scripture. Does he run ahead and go beyond scripture as quoted above in 2 John 1:9? If he does, then he is false.
Jean
My goodness are you reading my mind? lol I was just going to say the exact same thing. There is something far more than just ‘ministry’ involved here. He appears to have ‘power’ of persuasion over women. And the power to push over the husband that he does not interfere.
Good advice Jean.
This situation is very sad. I have seen many young Christians make really bad assumptions during the “euphoria” stage. This leads to incorrect beliefs which in turn determines the way we act…
The sadness here lies in the fact that some of the folks that left comments here are following someone that is leading them astray and they won’t know it. How much time will go by before they realize their error and the error in the teachings they receive? There is a special place in hell for spiritual leaders who lead the people astray.
I pray that the seed being planted here will cause them to seriously question where they’re at and on their way to. Enthusiasm is good, when applied in the right direction in the right spirit…
Hosea 4:6 My people perish for lack of knowledge…
Many Christians are unknowingly being harassed by evil or unclean spirits and they have to be cast out and renounced. Fantasy is a spirit that attacks your mind and is a spirit of insanty. It must be cast out and rebuked.
Meditate on scripture and fill your mind with the Word of God and That will transform your mind. By meditate I mean to study the Word, to diligently seek full understanding of Scriptures within context. A good study Bible is a necessity and it should be utilized to the fullest extent.
May GOD bless you and guide you and lead you into all truth.
Johan Grobler
>> I pray that the seed being planted here will cause them to seriously question where they’re at and on their way to
And this is exactly why this blog exists. It’s for those seeking the truth but are caught up in a web of lies. By the guidance of the Holy Spirit in their lives they are drawn to this site (depending on what they are caught up in) to read important information that will open their eyes to the truth.
A while ago there was the whole Todd Bentley Revival thing going on and I followed this man from the day he stepped onto the stage to the day the revival finally collapsed. I wrote article after article and boy the curses that came flying my way were horrendous. I would say that 1 out of a 200 could discern a serious problem, the rest just went on feelings and emotions and wanting to be ‘healed’. Sickness and money are Satan’s 2 biggest playing cards to get people into his claws.
What I found even more disconcerting was the fact that after the revival fell flat due to Todd Bentley having an affair at the revival. Not one of those who cursed me came back to me and said sorry. I was not looking for an apology, I just wanted to see if anyone would. And no one did.
That’s the way the cookie crumbles I guess.
Dear writer of this article. Or shal i call you Jezebel for short. You are so misinformed. I am the creator of the Facebook group ” Kobus Van Rensburg will live and not die” Kobus himself has nothing to do with the group. You have been hunting me and other anointed prophets now for a while and i suppose you will not stop. But please be warned that you are attacking the anointing and this is very dangerous. If we are self apointed prophets, who appointed you to call us out. I think i know your father, his name is satan. Be warned stop this killing of the prophets now.
Dear Hennie. And I shall call your Hennie for short. I know Kobus has nothing to do with your facebook group. But who cares. The truth is still the truth and Kobus still preached Manifest Sons of God teaching, that he is a god.
As for hunting you and others, well this is the first time I hear about you, but thanks for the wonderful introduction. Your curses and threats are nothing Hennie Cronje for, He who is in me is greater than he who is in the world. 1 John 4:4 “You are of God, little children, and have overcome them, because He who is in you is greater than he who is in the world.”
Kobus in sheep’s clothing:
2 Timothy 3:1-9
1 But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: 2 For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, 4 traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away! 6 For of this sort are those who creep into households and make captives of gullible women loaded down with sins, led away by various lusts, 7 always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. 8 Now as Jannes and Jambres resisted Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, disapproved concerning the faith; 9 but they will progress no further, for their folly will be manifest to all, as theirs also was.
As for speaking the truth about Kobus (not you, I have no idea who you are) and his cult teachings I will carry on doing so. For the Word of God says: 2 Timothy 3:16-17 “All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work. And then just read 1 Corinthians 5 with regards to removing the wicked from within the church who call themselves Christian but are not. And by removing them, that means not to associate with them. Actually I could be here all day quoting scripture where God tells us to expose false teaching and warn.
The only reason why they don’t want people to warn is becuase they are running a business and will teach anything and everything to get the people to come and set up their monthly debit orders.
Testing the spirits:
1 John 4:1-3 “1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2 By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, 3 and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.”
When anyone opens his mouth, he represents either the Spirit of truth or the spirit of error. Because Kobus has elevated himself to the level of a god and has taken on all sorts of demonic teachings etc, he denies that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh.
Dangerous job this:
>> But please be warned that you are attacking the anointing and this is very dangerous.
“Attacking the anointed”…pffff…what a joke. You threaten me with ‘danger’? Actually I have heard this one so many times now it’s become more of a cliche than anything else.
>> I think i know your father, his name is satan. Be warned stop this killing of the prophets now.
“Stop the killing of the prophets now”? Now that is funny.
Hennie Cronje,
Let me get this straight; you are asking DTW to stop exposing … – and your gently persuasion is calling her Jezebel and a child of satan? Did you miss the 5th week of the immortality training syllabus (that was the lecture on immortal social and persuasion skills)?
Can you explain something that puzzles me….
This ‘group’ of yours; how come they never approach this topic with an attitude of ‘we understand where you are coming from, and understand why this may look like a cult but humbly ask you to repent and hope that you may find forgiveness in Jesus Christ. We have been praying that God open your eyes and that you would come to the full knowledge of his will etc…’ that would be [kinda] the Christian approach, right? Even more so from a ‘prophet’ that should be up there with the apostle Paul and Peter in terms of setting an example.
Ever wondered why it’s always you guys that are angry?
If you want to make a defense please do so from the bible [it’s that thick book with…ah, forget it…]
[EDITED: Renthia spamming verses again…tsk, tsk… as per my previous instruction, it would be great if you could explain the scripture you are posting Renthia cos anyone can copy and paste from the internet.]
Well said Micheal, just my thoughts too.
Hennie Cronje
Let me add my 2c worth here if i may.
You seem to be a very aggressive person. Just please ask your self if aggression should be part of one’s personality/makeup? if one is a child of God.
Galatians 5 (Amplified Bible)
19:Now the doings (practices) of the flesh are clear (obvious): they are immorality, impurity, indecency,
20:Idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, anger (ill temper), selfishness, divisions (dissensions), party spirit (factions, sects with peculiar opinions, heresies),
A question do you know the difference between Hunting and discernment? need help?
Hunting – wikipedia as short part of meaning :
Hunting is the practice of pursuing living animals (usually wildlife) for food, recreation, or trade. In present-day use, the term refers to lawful hunting, as distinguished from poaching, which is the killing, trapping or capture of the hunted species contrary to applicable law. The species which are hunted are referred to as game and are usually mammals and migratory or non-migratory gamebirds.A hunter is someone who engages in the act of hunting.
Discernment – wikipedia
Discernment is a term used in Christian tradition to describe the process of discerning God’s will for one’s life. In large part, it describes the interior search for an answer to the question of one’s vocation, namely, determining whether or not God is calling one to the married life, single life, religious life; ordained ministry or priesthood (Roman Catholic or Anglican/Episcopal) or any other ministerial calling by virtue of Baptism. The concept is not limited to ordination or vowed life.
All moral conduct may be summed up in the rule: avoid evil and do good. In the language of Christian asceticism, spirits, in the broad sense, is the term applied to certain complex influences, capable of impelling the will, the ones toward good, the others toward evil.
However, in the restricted sense, spirits indicate the various spiritual agents which, by their suggestions and movements, may influence the moral value of our acts. Concupiscence, disturbances of the imagination and errors of sensibility, thwart or pervert the operations of the intellect and will, by deterring the one from the true and the other from the good (Genesis 8:21; James 1:14). In opposition to our vitiated nature, or so to speak, to the flesh which drags us into sin, the Holy Spirit acts within us by grace, a supernatural help given to our intellect and will to lead us back to good and to the observance of the moral law (Epistle to the Romans 7:22-25). Besides these two spirits, the human and the Divine, in the actual order of Providence, two others must be observed. The Creator willed that there should be communication between angels and men, and as the angels are of two kinds, good and bad, the latter try to win us over to their rebellion and the former endeavour to make us their companions in obedience. Hence four spirits lay siege to our liberty: the angelic and the Divine seeking its good, and the human (in the sense heretofore mentioned) and the diabolical its misery.
Blessings
Hennie Cronje
Also on “You have been hunting me and other anointed prophets now for a while and i suppose you will not stop.”
Also consider this here below.
Quote from website of Jan Markel from olivetree ministries in Usa. It is also a discernment website like DTW. http://archive.constantcontact.com/fs019/1101818841456/archive/1102909586771.html
It was Jesus Himself, who made it quite plain that we should “discern the signs of the times” (Matt. 16:1-3).
And Jesus told His disciples regarding the run up to the end of the age, “You will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled, for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. All these are the beginning of sorrows” (Matt. 24:6-8). The word translated “sorrows” in this context means “birth pangs.” And what do we know about birth pangs?
There is no hunting taking place on DTW only discernment yes.
Hennie Cronje
Please look at the following scripture:
Mat 24:23 At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it.
Mat 24:24 For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect–if that were possible.
Mat 24:25 See, I have told you ahead of time.
Mat 24:26 “So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the desert,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it.
Mat 24:27 For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.
Mat 24:28 Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.
The word used for “Christ” in these above verses, -Christos- in Greek, has got a very interesting meaning.
it means: to anoint, an anointed one, someone who claims to have an anointing.
Now the word for “false Prophets” in the above passage is -pseudoprophētēs- in Greek an means:
One who, acting the part of a divinely inspired prophet, utters falsehoods under the name of divine prophecies, teaches false doctrines in the name of God.
Now, just A few verses above we read: Mat 24:11 “And many false prophets will rise up and deceive and lead many into error.”
Here we read that there will be “MANY” of these false prophets claiming to have an anointing. How many of your so called “prophets” are there ?
Also, Hennie, you admit that these “anointed” prophets of Kobus and Co. could be self appointed… Well, allow me to clear your thoughts on this point.
I have watched a few of services of Kobus and one thing really stood out nl:
Kobus nearly always uses the following phrase when praying and anointing people:
“So in the name of the Lord Jesus I anoint you.”
Ok, problem, according to the Bible the anointing is given by God:
1John 2:26 I am writing these things to you about those who are trying to lead you astray.
1John 2:27 As for you, the anointing you received from Him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit–just as it has taught you, remain in him.
So, now my questions is: Who then is this arrogant, created human being called Kobus van Rensburg to hand out anointings ?
Is he God ? He sounds to me like a Holy Spirit or anointing Bartender !
The Bible teaches me to test all Spirits, well look at this Scripture:
John 16:13 Yet when the Spirit of Truth comes, he will guide you into all truth. For he will not speak on his own accord, but will speak whatever he hears and will declare to you the things that are to come.
Kobus van Rensburg loves to speaks on his own accord when he is “handing-out” his anointings. What Spirit then does he have ?
Further more it looks to me that if you pay Kobus enough, you can buy the Holy spirit or anointing!
He keeps on asking for money and gives you beautiful “anointed” promises in return !
Please read in Acts 8:18-19 what happens to a person who tries to pay for the anointing of the Holy Spirit.
Lastly, Kobus van Rensburg uses the “anointing” completely out of Biblical context.
According to the Bible, you are anointed when you have the Holy Spirit. Every born again believer has got the Holy Spirit !
1Jo 2:20 But you have had the Holy Spirit poured out on you by Christ, and so all of you know the truth. (GNB)
Well, in the church of Kobus van Rensburg it is “slightly” different . . .
There KOBUS give you the Spirit (or anointing as he calls it) and KOBUS will give you Kobus’s truth according the gospel of Kobus van Renburg !
Come-on Hennie, will you now strike me with a “holy lightning bolt” because I am “killing” YOUR self appointed precious little prophets ?
Isn’t the god of your “prophets” strong enough to protect them ?
Oh, wait! I forgot . . . Maybe you need to write some Kobus-anointed-words in this blog to help your god to stop these anointed prophets from being killed!!!
Follow Paul…,not Jesus of Nazareth,or Kobus van Rensburg…..
Aside from Jesus of Nazareth,there is no person in God’s eternal plan who is more important to that plan than the apostle Paul.He is the man to whom God gave the FINAL gospel,the gospel of grace,not based on other gospels in the scriptures on things that have happened since the creation of the world,but on things that were in God’s mind BEFORE the creation.In this gospel of Paul I am grounded.
It is Paul ALONE who gives beleivers the message of their hope,simply that hope is…Christ IN you..Only Paul ALONE under instruction of Christ,was chosen to give us the gospel of grace.There are multitudes of beleivers today who have Christ IN them and do not know what it all means.
Paul writes:- For He hath made Him to be sin for us,who knew no sin,that we might be made the righteousness of God IN Him (2Cor.5:21).In Getsemane,our sin,our suffering,our sickness,our ancestral spirit transfers,and our death was poured into His body.In fact,every malady that came from the curse of sin was poured into His body.Retribution was made for everything that separated us from the Father.
Many beleivers live their entire lives without knowing they were IN Christ in Getsemane……they were delivered….for we as beleivers died IN Christ on the cross.He did not only die FOR me,He died AS me (Rom.6:3-5).I am dead IN Christ.I don’t need to be dying again to drinking,overeating,selfishness,or ancestral deliverance or any other shortcomings.This cannot be so,because they are already dead.I cannot die to something which are already dead.Only thing I can do is to fix it in my mind that I am dead to it.”Likewise reckon ye also yourselves dead indeed to sin,but alive unto God through Jesus our Lord”(Rom.6:11).Beleivers are never going to find out who they are until they focus on their position IN Christ….their identity.
We as birthed sons of the Father are taught by the Holy Spirit…,those who are going on to the deeper things of God.Multitudes of beleivers have the Holy Spirit in them but I noticed they misuse Him for something other than what the scriptures teach.They will not let Him do what He is supposed to do….I experienced in the churches they don’t want you to be taught by the Spirit…They throw words around about you being led by the Spirit but they wont let you being taught by the Spirit…….because then you wont need them and their personal ministries.Instead to put you in bondage to their ministries,they use scripture such as…”How shall they hear without a preacher” (Rom.10:14)..but that is referring to the unsaved!!,but not to the level of my understanding as a birthed son.
We as birthed sons of God has a definite identity which the enemy tries to veil from us.We are righteous,holy,acceptable,justified by the blood,the handwriting of requirements against us was nailed to the cross,we are COMPLETE…nothing can be added!—-in the Spirit.The only place we can grow is in our soul mind,and THAT is were the Holy Spirit works.The misuse of the Holy Spirit attibutes gifts to man,rather than Christ IN us being the gifted one.When man do not have the Holy Spirit revealing Christ to them,they claim the gifts are their own….as if God gave the gifts to them.Instead,the gifts are only a product of the Christ who is their life….No more me,myself or I !!.
Denying the Holy Spirit His place as a teacher perpetuates law religion.If the Holy Spirit is not teaching beleivers,they are being taught by the five fold ministers…..These ministers teach what TO DO and HOW TO DO it.We all know that the five fold ministries can fail.I would not like to stake my relationshi[p with God on what man says.I prefer to let the Holy Spirit teach me the Christ who is IN me.
When God put Christ IN the beleiver,it resulted in a radical change in the way God worked with people,Christ IN us,our ONLY hope of glory.Now God depends on Christ IN me and not on MY FAITH getting God to do a work outwardly.Grace is a different gospel J.Very little beleivers ive noticed know this.They hung unto their idea that by their own efforts of faith they can get God to take away all their problems……rather than accepting that God trusts Christ IN the beleiver to overcome everything.
Why do most charismatic preachers preach from the Old Testament??.They try to convince you to put YOUR FAITH in God to be deliveredJ.But this is not grace!!..,not the FINAL GOSPEL!…not the gospel of Paul..If law is mixed with grace,grace is no longer grace!.If you read the scriptures as they are written,you will see something important about the law…….a vessel of God can use the law to destroy other vessels of God to reach its own ends….The hords of hell are marching!…..Law is the oil for the machinery of religion.Grace is opposite because grace is definable,grace is a PERSON!.Grace has NOTHING to do with what you do or don’t do.”For I am determined not to know anything among you,save Jesus Christ and Him crucified.(1Cor.2:2).Law cannot accept people on this basis alone,but puts them on probationJ..in catechism,bible study groups etc…they put you into bondage again.”And that because of false brethren brought in who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have IN Christ Jesus,that they might bring us into bondage” (Gal.2:4).
The law is working in destructive ways in the church today!…but we have the mind of Christ. (1Cor.2:16)(Phil.2:5).We are following Paul as Paul follows Christ.We are saved by GRACE through faith and do not follow the gospel of CORRECTION!.,but the gospel of GRACE!.(Phil.3:8).
The apostle Paul did not come to know Christ IN him from studying Abraham or following Moses…for they did NOT have Christ IN them!There is NO life in Abraham or Moses….Life is in the Son!.The only way that Paul or any other beleiver can come to know the indwelling Christ is by REVELATION!.it’s a different way of thinking,radical a different way of life,a different gospel!That’s why Paul calls it ….MY GOSPEL.No wonder Paul said..”If any other man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received,let him be ACCURSED!”(Gal.1:9).
When we were birthed,the Father’s intention was that the Holy Spirit would teach us by REVELATION.Since I had a revelation of Christ IN me my ONLY hope of glory,all my own ideas,church concepts,self efforts etc.was swamped and overwhelmed by Him.Christ IN me is my hope.Nothing in the Old Testament mattersJRevelation knowledge has overwhelmed all these ideas,religion and concepts.Once God revealed His Son IN me,nothing else matters much.For I am complete and rest IN Him.By grace I have a different kind of knowledge that enables me to face whatever issues come up in this world J.Therefore revelation knowledge taught by the Holy Spirit is the key by which your soul-mind grows.
The deeper things of God cannot be seen with the eyes,heard with the ear or felt in the heart.Revelation knowledge has nothing to do with what you see feel or hear….It is what you KNOW!It is a knowing. (1Cor.2:9-10).Beleivers can fall from grace by leaving grace and going back to the law….(Religion,self efforts,church concepts,and doctrines of man).Revelation knowledge never violates the Word of God.Revelation knowledge brings to us what the Word always was saying,but we could not see it…we had the wrong glasses on J.
As I got birthed and are gifted to be a musician,I had to set those talents aside while Christ became my life.In time it may again surface but it will be Christ’s.No more will I be a church entertainer,no more a bandleader out of my self efforts.I want the Christ IN me to lead JNever again to be entangled by a yoke of religios church concepts in self effort slavery.Delivered from the law,no more bound to what I was held by,no more trying to keep the rules!by grace I live in the newness of the Spirit.This is the desire of the Father for all beleivers.!
Johan Jacobs
Dude, I can honestly say I have no idea what you are speaking about. I can highlight many very weird teachings in this comment of yours. But I am tired. I hope someone else has the energy to sort this one out.
You sound like you have a mixture of beliefs all rolled up into one and then a new one…. the Paul followers movement? I dunno… hmmm… 0_0
Johan Jacobs
>> In Getsemane,our sin,our suffering,our sickness,our ancestral spirit transfers,and our death was poured into His body.In fact,every malady that came from the curse of sin was poured into His body.Retribution was made for everything that separated us from the Father.
Not true. Jesus Christ was SINLESS when born, walked the earth SINLESS and was sacrificed on the cross for us and died SINLESS because His blood washes AWAY our sin. The sacrificial offering to the high priest in the OT was to be without blemish. The throat was sit and blood spilt as forgiveness of sin. The sacrifice did not take on the sin. This is one of the most disgusting lies taught by the false church. If Jesus Christ took on our sin and every sickness on the cross then he was no longer SINLESS before He died and anyone could have taken his place if that was the case.
My point is that the law has made us all blind to the Truth to who we are in Christ and that Truth can only be revealed by God’s Spirit i.e the Holy Spirit yet everytime we turn from the complete work that Christ did through Jesus Christ and we turn back to the law – see the whole book of Galations- a veil is put over our hearts and are we not able to see the finnished work He did in us.Everything in life is a choice and by God’s Grace He even provided us with a Guide that clearly tells us even what to choose.
I also don’t need to ‘copy and paste’ the whole bible for it is each and everyone’s own responsibility to go and read the bible and those who are Spiritfilled will have a witness to what the Truth is even though it is not yet a revelation to them and by accepting the Holy Spirit’s witness above your own understanding will certainly be followed by a revelation in order for you to understand what the Will of God is.
You are all set free from everything that sin brought into the world by the Blood of Jesus Christ, whether you believe it or not but as the scripture says will you experience only that which you believe.
To believe is a choice but Faith is a Gift of God and the reward to believe without seeing is to see what you believed.
New International Version (©1984)
This day I call heaven and earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live
New Living Translation (©2007)
“Today I have given you the choice between life and death, between blessings and curses. Now I call on heaven and earth to witness the choice you make. Oh, that you would choose life, so that you and your descendants might live!
2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
Rom 6:22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
1Pe 2:16 As free, and not using your liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God.
Rom 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
1Co 15:56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
Gal 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
Renthia
That was all I asked that you explain yourself. You forget that people come and comment and if they do not explain themselves clearly, or who they are addressing confusion reigns because anyone can just copy and paste verses from the bible. That is what I was trying to say.
So to clear things up do you believe that Kobus van Rensburg teaches the gospel or something else?
Deborah, seeing I did explain as requested could you please publish the scriptures I quoted.
Thank you
Renthia
Do you think Kobus van Rensburg preaches the truth? You didn’t answer that question.
Deborah, I believe Kobus van Rensburg is preaching the true Gospel of freedom by Jesus Christ. The bible teaches that a prophet is discerned by his fruits and he has for one clearly shown that he is free from all religion and manmade doctrines. And not to mention the thousands of healings that God has done through his hands and now even his own(which I do not have to see proof on paper for because you could see him getting all the more ill and he now again has become more energetic and lively). Yes not everyone was healed or raised from the dead but instead of seeing what did not happen what about recognising the fact that there has been so many healed. I myself has prayed for people and they healed and others did’nt and the only reason for that I believe, untill the Lord shows me different, is that we-including Kobus- have not grown to the fullnes of the Faith that was given us. Your website-scripture is Rom1:16 and that is such a powerful scripture for it clearly says that the power unto salvation is the Gospel. If you have a look at the greekword that was used for salvation you’ll see that it is an ongoing salvation and not a once-off salvation. In otherwords where the Gospel is preached there will be salvation/freedom as proof. Is that not what we see when Kobus ministers?
In reply to Johan Jacobs and the comments that followed –
1Co 3:4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?
1Co 3:5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?
1Co 3:6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.
1Co 3:7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.
1Co 3:8 Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.
1Co 3:9 For we are labourers together with God: ye are God’s husbandry, ye are God’s building.
1Co 3:10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
1Co 3:11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.