Choo Thomas – Heaven is so Real – Is it Really?
Now if you go into your local Christian bookstore (CUM Bookstores here in South Africa for instance), chances are you will find many a book about someone who is having some weird manifestation and even here in South Africa the acceptance of these strange stories are taking the public by storm. People who read these books or attend these church gatherings and experience so called Holy Spirit manifestations, are so convinced that what they are reading or seeking or experiencing is from God because they;
Speak in tongues, sing in tongues or sing heavenly songs, dance in the spirit, have visits to heaven and hell, laugh uncontrollably (holy laughter), get drunk in the spirit, bark like a dog, roar like a lion, become paralyzed that they can’t move for hours, fall over, faint, get woken up in the middle of the night and see an angel in their room, see lights appearing that look like a cross etc, see ‘Jesus’ showing up in their room or where ever, start shaking or have convulsions, jerk, experience strange body sensations, lose control of their body, get thrown around, manifest quick hand and arm movements, or their limbs become ridged, find their hands making strange signs/symbols, feel lighter than air, noticed a wind behind their breath, automatic writing, feel powerful, feel like they have power, go into trances or meditation states and have electricity running through the body, heat, pins and needles, etc, etc, etc.,
Now people listen carefully and read closely what I have written above and written below for you will see an absolutely remarkable counterfeit at the hands of a fake ‘holy’ spirit masquerading as THE Holy Spirit.
I am going to focus on Choo Thomas’ book Heaven is So Real, firstly because it’s such a big seller and secondly because of the strange, violent and fearful things that happen to her body before, during and after a ‘Jesus’ comes to visit her. This faceless Jesus takes her to Heaven and Hell in an out of body experience. This ‘Jesus’ tells her that the book that Choo Thomas will write based on what he shows her and tells her, will transform people, because people don’t believe in the bible, but will believe this book instead.
Amazingly millions of people do believe this book instead; they say they believe in the bible as well, yet hold this book in a greater ‘light’. A New Age light.
Some characteristic Symptoms of Awakened Kundalini
An excerpt from Devatma Shakti (Kundalini): Divine Power by Swami Vishnu Tirtha.
Some characteristic symptoms of the awakened kundalini are here given below from Mahayoga Vijna, a treatise on the subject in Hindi by Shri Yognandji Mahrja, the author revered guru. They are illustrative and by no means exhaustive:-
- When throbbing of mooladhar begins, the whole body shakes, involuntary kumbhak (filling in of the lungs with air) starts beyond control, breath is forcibly exhaled out, without volition deep inhaling and exhaling of breath starts and the body gets uncontrollable, know then that Kundalini has awakened. You then should give up your assertion and sit witnessing what happens.
- When your body begins trembling, hair stands on roots, you laugh or begin to weep without your wishing, your tongue begins to utter deformed sounds, you are filled with fear or see frightening visions, semen passes out, think that the Kundalini Shakti has become active.
- When your posture becomes fixed, uddiyan, jalendhar, and moolband has come involuntarily, your tongue reverts back or rises up towards the soft palate and the whole body becomes so active that you are unable to sit still, your hands and legs stretch out forcibly, you ought to know that the Divine power of the goddess Kundalini has come into action.
- When your posture becomes fixed and sight is attracted toward the middle point of eyebrows, the eyeballs begin to revolve, you get automatic kewal-kumbhak, cessation of breath comes with no effort for inhaling or exhaling and the mind becomes vacant, void of all outward knowledge, understand that Mahmythe first born Shakti, the goddess Kundalini has come into action.
- When you feel currents of Prnarising up your cerebrum within you, automatic repetition of Aum starts and the mind experiences waves after waves of blissful beatitude, think the Universal Mother Kundalini has come into action.
- When different kinds of Nd become audible, in your spinal column you experience vibrations, feeling of bodily existence for the time being is lost, in other words you feel as if there is no body, everything looks vacant, your eyelids become closed and open not in spite of your efforts, electric-like currents seem flowing up and down the nerves and you have convulsions, know that Mahmy Kundalini has come into action.
- When with the closing of eyelids your body falls to the ground, or begins to rotate like a grinding stone and breath comes not out, the body squatted on floor cross-legged begins to jump from place to place like a frog, or moves from place to place, or lies down like one dead, hands may not be lifted even if so desired, you feel contraction of nerves, you feel as if your life is passing away, the body undergoes convulsions like a dying fish, know that Yogamaya Kundalini has come into action.
- When your mind gets influenced spiritually as if some spirit has taken possession of your body and under that influence different postures of yoga are involuntarily performed, without the least pain or fatigue and you feel increasingly buoyant, and simultaneously strange sort of breathing exercises start, think that the Divine power of Kundalini has come into action.
- When no sooner you have sat with eyes closed than in an instant the body begins to show activity of throwing out limbs forcibly, deformed sounds are loudly uttered, your speech begins to utter sounds like those of animals, birds and frogs or of a lion or like those of jackals, dogs, tigers, fear inspiring and not pleasing to hear, understand that the Great Goddess Kundalini has come into action.
- When you feel vibrations of prana at different stations inside your body and feel its flow wherever you fix your attention and nerves begin to show easy jerks like jerks of electricity as if passing through them, know that the Goddess Kundalini has come into action.
- When all day and night you feel within your body some activity of prana and whenever you concentrate your mind, your body at once begins to shake or begins tossing and your mind remains filled with joy and bliss at all times, even when at call of nature, even during sleep you feel currents of prna rising up in your sahasrrand even in dreams you experience Her presence, know that the joy-inspiring Kundalini has come into action.
- As soon as you sit for prayers your body begins to shake and in ecstasy of joy you begin to sing hymns in tones of music charming to hear and whose composition and poetry come out involuntarily, your hands giving a rhythmical clapping, and you pronounce languages you know not, but the sound ecstasizes your mind, know that the Goddess of speech, Saraswati, has awakened into action.
- When you feel intoxicated without taking any drug, while walking your steps fall majestically or like one drunk and you are unable to do any other work and you like to remain mute and dislike speaking to or hearing others and you feel like one drunk of Divinity, know that your Atma Shakti Kundalini, the power of Self, has come into action.
- While walking, when your mind is filled with an impulse to walk faster and your feet begin to move a running, you feel your body light like air and do not feel fatigued even having walked long enough, you feel buoyant and joyful, you are not unhappy even in dreams, you can keep the balance of your mind undisturbed in all ups and downs, and you acquire an inexhaustible energy for work, know that the Brahma Shakti Kundalini has come into action.
- When you are in meditation you see visions divine and fall in a dreamy state of mind, have divine smells, see divine figures, feel divine tastes, hear divine sounds and experience divine touch and receive instructions from Gods, then understand that the divine power of Kundalini has come into action.
- When you are in meditation, future unfolds its secrets to you or the hidden meaning of scriptures, Vedas and Vedntashine in your understanding, all doubts vanish, you acquire an insight into the abstruse meaning of the works on spiritual science even at their first glance, you acquire strange powers of oratory and feel not the need of approaching even Brahma, the creator himself, for knowledge and you acquire self-confidence, understand then that Kundalini the bestower of siddhis (occult powers) has come into action.
- When seated for meditation your sight becomes fixed on the mid of eyebrows, your tongue rises up for Khechari, breath stops altogether and mind plunges into the ocean of bliss, shambhavi mudr operates and you experience the pleasure of savikalpa samdhi, know that subtle power of Kundalini is in action.
- When at morning and evening hours punctually and automatically your body becomes charged with such of the divine influences, and body, mind and prnabecome overpowered by Her, know that the Goddess Kundalini is rightly functioning.
www.cit-sakti.com/kundalini/kundalini-manifestations.htm
You know the Internet is an incredibly resourceful place when you are searching for information. The problem is this information is not going to jump into your lap; you’ve actually got to look for it, research it etc. The same thing applies when it comes to the Bible, the Word of God is not going to jump into your lap either, you have to pick up your Bible and look, read and study it.
I used to get a tremendous amount of hits for another article I wrote on Choo Thomas’s book – Heaven is so Real. This prompted me to write this article which compares Kundalini in its rawest form to the manifestations Choo Thomas experiences while on earth and during her trips to Heaven. Let’s have a look at some of Choo’s manifestations shall we and compare it to the above Kundalini manifestations.
But, before I start I just want to note one HUGE issue here and this is the idea of the ‘fire of the Holy Spirit’.
Choo said: “I received the fire of the Holy Spirit while I was praying at home in January 1994. About a month later, I saw the Lords presence while I was worshiping at the Neighborhood Assembly of God in Tacoma.”
Let’s have a look at this verse:
Matthew 3:11 v 12
“Indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire. His winnowing fan is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clean out His threshing floor, and gather His wheat into the barn; but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.”
So what we have here is a verse to supposedly back up the ‘anointing by fire’ that so many pastors (Benny Hinn etc,.) like to throw out to their audience as they gleefully ‘catch the fire anointing’. But let me show you something; this ‘fire’ is seen in a bad way in the above verse. John says that Jesus will baptize you with the Holy Spirit (for believers) and fire (for non believers) NOT the Holy Spirit AND fire or the Holy Spirit IS fire. John carries on saying that Jesus will gather His wheat into the barn BUT burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.
So Choo received the ‘fire of the Holy Spirit’ did she now? There are tons of ministries out there who use the words ‘fire’ in their ‘oh so special little way’; be it in the name of their ministry or slogans or prophecies or anointing – Elijah list is an excellent example of this. Todd Bentley from the Lakeland Outpouring would have blown fire out of his nose if he could have.
Anyhow, let’s get back to the Kundalini manifestations;
Choo Thomas’ uncontrollable shaking:
Kundalini manifestation:
No.1– the whole body shakes, involuntary kumbhak,
No.6 – you have convulsions,
No.7 – the body undergoes convulsions like a dying fish,
No.11 – your body at once begins to shake or begins tossing,
No.12 – As soon as you sit for prayers your body begins to shake.
“Ever since my body shakes at the church during prayer time” (12)
“On Easter Sunday 1995 while attending services at Puget Sound Christian Center, my body began to shake violently, (1,6,7,11) and we had to stay for second service. I was experiencing the same phenomenon known among Quakers, Shakers and early Pentecostals. Since then, my body never stops shaking in church or during my prayer time at home” (12)
Choo Thomas grew afraid of her Godly experience:
Kundalini manifestation:
No.2 – you are filled with fear
“The shaking was unremittingly forceful, and I grew afraid” (2)
Choo Thomas loses control of her body:
Kundalini manifestation:
No.1– the whole body shakes, involuntary kumbhak,
No.8 – when your mind gets influenced spiritually as if some spirit has taken possession of your body
During the night of February 12, my body shook more violently (1) than it ever had. I was almost hurled from the bed because it was so forceful. I tried to grab the sheet to steady myself, but I couldnt because I had no control over my body.” ( 8 )
Choo Thomas hears sounds and sees the Lord:
Kundalini manifestation:
No.15a – hear divine sounds,
No.15b – see divine figures
“On January 19, 1996, I woke up at 3:00 in the morning. My body was shaking… I turned my head on the pillow to look in the direction of the sound, (15a) and there, all aglow, was a figure dressed in white garments. IT WAS THE LORD…” (15b)
“On the night of January 19, the Lords presence was so intense (15b) in my bedroom that I shook, perspired and felt very weak for more than an hour
Because of the trembling of my body (that always accompanied the Lords visits), (15b) Roger was now sleeping in the guest bedroom
Choo Thomas rocking back and forth because of stomach spasms (contractions):
Kundalini manifestation:
No.2 – whole body becomes so active that you are unable to sit still,
No.7 – you feel contraction of nerves,
No.11– when all day and night you feel within your body some activity of prana
“You see, my body is moving back and forth right now, (2,11) if I dont do this, my stomach get very tight and it feel like exploding; (7) thats why Im moving back and forth. So please dont think anything wrong with my body. Thats the Holy Spirit doing this because Im talking about Jesus, thats why”
“Some say strange things happen to their bodies, (11) like their stomach getting tight (7) and some received the baptism of the Holy Spirit.”
Choo Thomas’s book has a special anointing and her book replaces the bible as the book that will convict and transform people into ultimate believers:
Kundalini manifestation:
No.16 – you acquire strange powers of oratory and feel not the need of approaching even Brahma, the creator himself
“All these things are happening to people because it is our Lord Jesus’ book. As He has said this from the beginning, He has put a special anointing on this book so that people will be convicted and transform and He will be everything to them.” (16)
Choo Thomas manifests verbally:
Kundalini manifestation:
No.2a – you laugh or begin to weep without your wishing,
No.2b – your tongue begins to utter deformed sounds,
No.9a – deformed sounds are loudly uttered,
No.9b – and you pronounce languages you know not,
No.12 – ecstasy of joy you begin to sing hymns in tones of music charming to hear and whose composition and poetry come out involuntarily
“And then, after this, He baptized me with Holy Spirit, with new tongues, (2b,9a,9b) Heavenly songs, (12) Holy Laughter” (2a)
Choo Thomas is paralysed:
Kundalini manifestation:
No.3, 4 – when your posture becomes fixed,
No.7 – or lies down like one dead, hands may not be lifted even if so desired
“…and I was so anointed for three hours and I was on the floor, I couldn’t get up because it was too powerful,” (3,4,7)
Choo Thomas receives extra biblical revelations and knowledge:
Kundalini manifestation:
No.15a – you see visions divine and fall in a dreamy state of mind,
No.15b – and receive instructions from Gods,
No.16a – future unfolds its secrets to you,
No.16b – or the hidden meaning of scriptures,
No.16c – you acquire an insight into the abstruse meaning of the works on spiritual science even at their first glance
“After that, few months later, pastor Larry Randolf, he prophesied for me that he told me that the God wants to use me in such a special way. (15a,15b) And all his prophecy was come true , thousand times, more. And after this, January, 1996 , Lord Jesus, He was visiting me with His visual presence. (15a) And He visited me for 10 times to tell me how He going to use, (15b) and the all the things, (16a,16b) His plans (16c) and He was telling me about it, (16a) as in the book.”
…then, next visiting he showed me another sad thing. It was aborted babies. He took me to this one place it was a huge building. They looked like warehouse. When we walked in it, all I see was babies, tiny, tiny naked babies. And they were lying side by side. Humm, and I began to cry. Lord, why is so many babies. He say, they aborted babies. I said what are you going to do with them. He say If their mother be saved and they come to heaven, they will have their baby back. (15b,16a,16b) That was it.
“When we got to the top, I looked over a brown and lifeless valley. Everywhere there was brown. The whole region seemed to be filled with dead grass. I noticed multitudes of people who were wearing sand-colored robes roaming aimlessly in the vicinity of the pits yawning mouth. Their heads were hanging low, and they looked very dejected and hopeless. Who are these people, Lord? I asked. They are disobedient Christians How long will they have to stay in this barren, lifeless place? Forever, My daughter. The only ones who will enter My kingdom are the pure of heart-My obedient children.” (15b,16a,16b)
“The only one who will come there are obedient and pure hearted and He say preaching gospel is very important and He waited for awhile and He say those who don’t tithe, they are disobedient Christians.” (15b,16b)
“Heaven is so Real is our Lord Jesus end time book. He only used my body to write this book. He wants all believers and unbelievers to read it and prepare for His coming. He said, He is giving people a chance to know what it takes to enter His Kingdom through this book. Remember, none of our salvations are secure until the end. We must do our best while we have a chance.” (15b,16b)
“He wants me to serve as living proof of the Bible and His prophecies, because many people do not believe what they read in the Bible, nor do they believe He is coming soon for His people.” (15ab,16abc)
“Every word in this book is true. (16b) The words of Jesus have been transcribed exactly as He said them to me.” (15b)
Like John, I had been called to write, and my mission was the same as his-to let people know that the marriage supper of the Lamb has already been prepared, and blessed are those who are invited to be there on the last day.” (15ab,16abc)
“Innocence, trust, purity of heart, fascination, a sense of wonder, belief, joy, happiness, present-moment living-all these are some of the magical qualities of childhood that God wants us to exhibit to get to heaven.” (15ab,16abc)
Choo Thomas’ strange hand/limb movements:
Kundalini manifestation:
No.3 – your hands and legs stretch out forcibly,
No.8 – under that influence different postures of yoga are involuntarily performed
Sometimes the power of His anointing on my hands and arms is so strong that I feel as if my hands are actually breaking apart. (3) One Sunday morning my hand touched my eyes thirty-six times, ( 8 ) and before each of these touches, my hands made seven different strange movements.” ( 3,8 )
Choo Thomas sees a frightening vision of hell:
Kundalini manifestation:
No.2a – you are filled with fear or,
No.2a – see frightening visions
“I could see fumes and dark smoke rising from a deep pit. It was like the crater of a volcano, and inside I could see flames scorching a multitude of people who were screaming and crying in the kind of agony that only the severely burned truly know.” (2a, 2b)
Choo Thomas leaves her body as she visits heaven:
Kundalini manifestation:
No.6 – feeling of bodily existence for the time being is lost, in other words you feel as if there is no body
“But He didnt tell me He was going to take me to Heaven. So, after 10 times, February 19, 96, He began to take me to Heaven with my transformed body, like His Spirit body, my body.” (6)
“…and His presence shows and His spirit body, my spirit body (6) and we go to the beach.”
Recurrence and punctuality of Choo Thomas’s manifestations:
Kundalini manifestation:
No. 18 – When at morning and evening hours punctually and automatically your body becomes charged with such of the divine influences
“Ever since, He never missed once, He bring me there every Monday with my transformed body. He wake me up about a few minutes after 12 o-clock every Monday Morning. ( 18 ) He shakes my body for 30 minutes, exactly 30 minutes; never less, never more.” ( 18 )
“Well, the end of the visitation was after I took care of the manuscript of the book. Then He brought me to the earthly beach. And we spend about a couple of hours. He told me He will bring me there every Monday. ( 18 ) That was May 27, 1996.”
Choo Thomas is content and happy during her outer body experience:
Kundalini manifestation:
No.5 – the mind experiences waves after waves of blissful beatitude,
No.11 – and your mind remains filled with joy and bliss at all times,
No.17 – and mind plunges into the ocean of bliss
“And then, when we go there, you know, He talks mostly, I listen. Then I sing, I dance with my spirit body and this is the best time of my life right now.” (5,11,17)
As we can see, Choo manifests 85% of the Kundalini ‘symptoms or manifestations’…what a coincidence! I think not! Lakeland Outpouring, The Toronto Blessing, Brownsville, Pensacola and Azusa Street etc., also manifest the same ‘symptoms’ – another coincidence? NO!
People run for your lives! Your salvation depends on you not being caught up in this vile deception. By acknowledging and accepting her book or these strange manifestations as being of God you are acknowledging and accepting a demonic spirit or two (maybe more) to come into your life and destroy you – spiritually, physically, emotionally and mentally.
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SCRIPTURES TO REMEMBER
- When people tell you that Jesus is actually showing up or they saw Jesus in a vision etc., remember this:
Mat 24 v 23-27: “23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24 For there shall arise false Christ’s, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25 Behold, I have told you before. 26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. 27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.” (i.e., we will NOT see Jesus again in ANY form (visions included) until his second coming.)
- When people tell you that God ‘told them so’ or ‘gave them the vision/prohpecy’ hence you MUST believe it, but it does not tie up 100% with scripture, remember this:
Jeremiah 14 v14: “Then the LORD said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart.”
Ezekiel 13 v 2-9: “2 Son of man, prophesy against the prophets of Israel who are now prophesying. Say to those who prophesy out of their own imagination: ‘Hear the word of the LORD! 3 This is what the Sovereign LORD says: Woe to the foolish prophets who follow their own spirit and have seen nothing! 4 Your prophets, O Israel, are like jackals among ruins. 5 You have not gone up to the breaks in the wall to repair it for the house of Israel so that it will stand firm in the battle on the day of the LORD. 6 Their visions are false and their divinations a lie. They say, “The LORD declares,” when the LORD has not sent them; yet they expect their words to be fulfilled. 7 Have you not seen false visions and uttered lying divinations when you say, “The LORD declares,” though I have not spoken? 8 “‘Therefore this is what the Sovereign LORD says: Because of your false words and lying visions, I am against you, declares the Sovereign LORD. 9 My hand will be against the prophets who see false visions and utter lying divinations. They will not belong to the council of my people or be listed in the records of the house of Israel, nor will they enter the land of Israel. Then you will know that I am the Sovereign LORD.”
- If someone tells you that Satan can’t make visions or prophecies come true, remember this:
Deuteronomy 13 v 1-5: “4 If a prophet, or one who foretells by dreams, appears among you and announces to you a miraculous sign or wonder, 2 and if the sign or wonder of which he has spoken takes place, and he says, “Let us follow other gods” (gods you have not known) “and let us worship them,” 3 you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. The LORD your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul. 4 It is the LORD your God you must follow, and him you must revere. Keep his commands and obey him; serve him and hold fast to him.”
- When people tell you that they can see Angles, or have an Angel guiding them, or have Angels imparting wisdom or biblical revelation, remember this:
John 14 v 26: Jesus said “But the Comforter, which is the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.”
- When people tell you that these ‘strange’ manifestations are from God, remember this:
2 Timothy 1 v 7: “For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.”
2 Thess 2 v 9-10: “Even him who is coming after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, and with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not a love of the truth that they might be saved.”
- If people tell you that Satan can’t cast out or deliver people from demons, remember this:
Matthew 12 v 27: “Jesus said to the Pharisees: “And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges.”
- If people tell you that signs and wonders bring people to greater heights in their faith or lead people into a truly born again experience, remember this:
John 12 v 37: “But although He had done so many signs before them, they did not believe in Him.”
John 4 v 48: “Then Jesus said to him, “Unless you people see signs and wonders, you will by no means believe.”
John 6 v 26: “Jesus answered them and said, “Most assuredly, I say to you, you seek Me, not because you saw the signs, but because you ate of the loaves and were filled.”
(Bread = Word of God. You believed by hearing the gospel, not by seeing signs and wonders)
Matt 24 v 24: “For false Christ’s and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.”
- If someone tells you that a particular person is anointed (hence you HAVE to listen to them) but you yourself are a truly born again believer, remember this:
1 Jonn 2 v 27: “But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him.”
I John 2 v 20 v 21: “But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you know all things. I have not written to you because you do not know the truth, but because you know it, and that no lie is of the truth.”
- If any Christian seeks or needs signs and wonders to show them who Jesus is, then something is very wrong with their spiritual lives, because the Holy Spirit brings ALL things to your remembrance for those who are truly born again, remember this:
John 14 v 26: Jesus said, “But the Comforter, which is the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.”
- Remember this:
2 John 1 v 9: “Whosoever transgresses and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son”
2 Thes 2 v 11: “For this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they might believe what is false in order that may all may be judged who did not believe in the truth but took pleasure in wickedness”
- With regards to Trips to Heaven.
2 Corinthians 12:2-4 Paul said… 2I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago–whether in the body I do not know, or out of the body I do not know, God knows–such a man was caught up to the third heaven. 3And I know how such a man–whether in the body or apart from the body I do not know, God knows– 4was caught up into Paradise and heard inexpressible words, which a man is not permitted to speak.
If Paul the greatest Apostle was not permitted to speak about Heaven, then anyone else who claims they have been there and written an entire book telling the story, is either very deceived and did indeed see something but it was not from God, or they are liars – making it up as they go along. There is no in-between on this one.
References:
www.spiritlessons.com/Documents/hisr/Choo_Thomas_Video_Transcript.pdfDEATH OF CHOO THOMAS
Choo Thomas passed away on the April 13, 2013 at age 74.
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I just started a fast today and as I was researching for christian books I came across your website. I am so thankful to God that he made me realize this book is no good. I just threw it out. It scared me and I had no desire to finish reading it. I should’ve known it was God telling me that I shouldn’t read it. I’m guessing that the books 90 minutes in heaven and 23 minutes in hell are fake as well. May God bless you!
Maria
Yip they are fake too. Please do not read other peoples books, read the bible only. When you are fasting you are at a very vulnerable stage and your mind is open to demonic attack. Look at Jesus, he was in the desert and Satan came to Him and had a go. You are not Jesus, you are a weak individual struggling to listen to the Holy Spirit in your life. To be honest I would not fast if I was you, I would start obeying the Holy Spirit 🙂 The more you obey Him and study the Bible the more you will hear Him.
Thanks for this wonderful information i have finished the book about a year ago and held onto it but i am certainly gonna get rid of it!!
Then i want to ask is the book “the schack” also a lie?
Chris
Yes, The Shack is bad news as well. Like very bad news. It’s New Age and blasphemous. Chuck it in the bin too if you have it.
Hi first of all i want to say i have doubts about choos book. But she is right to say that not all beleivers will enter Heaven. The bible backs this up. Jesus said that not everyone who calls Him Lord Lord will enter the Kingdom of Heaven but he who does the will of His Father who is in Heaven. Also says to work out your salvation with fear and trembling. In Revelations Jesus will spew the luke warm chrstians out of His mouth. The Word also says that no gosipers, slanderers, liers, murders, audulters, fornicators, thieves etc will enter the Kingdom of Heaven and that applies to whether your a christian or not. Jesus says also that the narrow gate only few enter, and the broad gate many enter. God says be Holy as I Am Holy. Also says that without Holiness no man will see the Lord. Yes i have had dreams and visions from Yeshua and a few from the enemy too as that was scary. Heaven exists, hell exists Jesus exists, angels exists. I also believe in speaking in tounges as that is biblical although i do not have that gift. Yes dreams and visions are real, but unless is lines up to the bible you have to question it. Yes the soon coming of Jesus could be anytime. Jesus said Watch. Unfortunatly there will be more people left behind then raptured because they chose to live evil lifes and not repent. There is a book i have read that is real. It is called 10 Amazing muslims touched by God. It is about ex jihard islam extreemists and other ex muslims who have encounted Jesus through Dreams and Visions, and these woulderful people have given their lives over to serve Jesus and some of them even have their own churches and ministrys. Jesus loves the muslims too and wants them saved. Now since they have become born again some of them said their familys wanted to kill them. But God protected them and preserved their lives so they can be a witness to others. The things i do not belive in her book are aborted babies that are in wearhouses in Heaven waiting for their mothers who are saved. These aborted babies i believe grow up in Heaven and are not babies for eternity. Another thing i do not believe is a place in Heaven where christians go if they do not not enter Heaven called the valley. Sounds like Pergatury to me. There is not middle ground, there is a Heaven and hell no middle ground. No mention in the bible about the valley for disobedient christians. When i first read the book i was scared. But now i know if i get my relatioship with Jesus right and back on track and read the bible, and keep repented up and continue to forgive others if they hurt me and love my neighbour as myself and love God with all my heart i am getting rapture ready. Another thing i found odd in the book is that Jesus has promised her that he will rapture her in the last day while she said that nobodys salvation is gurantee until they get there. What makes her so differnt that she will get raptured and the rest of us are not guranted. Sorry my spelling is horrible. Anyway i think you all understand what i am saying. God bles you all and i hope to see you in the clouds when Jesus comes back.
Leanne
“But she is right to say that not all believers will enter Heaven. The bible backs this up.”
No Leanne, The Bible is right and Choo backs it up. It is the extra biblical mystic rubbish that she throws in that deceives people and that is satan’s oldest trick. Mixing truth with lies.
On more than one account friends who read her books started to doubt their salvation.
First up I’d like to say how much I appreciate this post. I too bought the book and found it hard to swallow. I will be getting rid of my copy right away!
One thing does concern me, however, is that you teach Jesus will “never appear” to anyone until His second coming, based on Matt 24:23-27;
If He was never to reveal Himself to anyone after His resurrection then why do we have scripture recording Him doing that very thing?
Take, for example, Luke 24:13-53, here we have Jesus appearing to 2 disciples on the road while they walked and conversed about what happened to Him (His crucifixion ect), and then a little while later he appeared to the 11 disciples and ate with them and then He lead them out to where He ascended into heaven.
Also there is the account of the apostle Paul when He encountered Jesus and had his whole life turned around, Acts 9:3-6. We also have Ananias’s encounter with Jesus, Acts 9:10-16.
And of course we have the record in Revelation chapter 1 where the apostle John has an encounter with the risen Christ, and he even goes onto describe how Jesus appeared!
My point here is not to be argumentative, but to say that we must not completely rule out divine encounters with Jesus, doing so would be ignoring scripture.
No doubt many encounters are false but that does not rule out the fact that Jesus has, on some limited occasions, appeared to people post resurrection.
It would seem that looking for such encounters is where Christians get tripped up, and I’m sure our old enemy will be more than happy to oblige anyone desiring this type of encounter instead of finding Jesus in scripture.
That being said I’d like to thank you for putting up this post as it will help many people.
Paul
Paul
There is nothing confusing in what I said. Jesus said He would not appear again until His second coming and He has not appeared again after He ascended into heaven AND the BIBLE (that perfect thing we all needed) had been written.
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Thanks yet again, Debs for another one of you contributions. Excellent.
It’s very depressing to find people falling for this occultism masquerading as Christianity.
My wife and I have a couple of aquaintances who are following an ex-Worldwide Church of God member called Malcolm Heap. Heap is running a thing called Midnight Ministries. These folk believe this former Worldwider is going to raise Princess Diana and fifty other people from the dead fairly soon; either just before or during the Great Tribulation.
The people in this small Midnight Ministries cult do not believe in the Rapture but rather that all Christians are to go through the Tribulation. Never mind that contadicts the PROMISE that we are not appointed to wrath and that the End Times Church will be spared from the trouble which will come on the whole earth (except of course for the apostate ecumenical Laodiceans), these followers of Heap are convinced this mass resurrection is going to take place.
You see, they claim that God will use this mass resurrection to verify Heap’s ministry.
One can only wonder what they think then of Jesus’ statement in Luke 16:31. He Himself stated that someone returning from the dead wouldn’t prove anything if they did not accept the Scriptures.
Anyone who truly knows the Scriptures knows that Jesus raised Lazarus and many who knew of it then wanted to kill Lazarus and Jesus too!
I don’t know about anyone else, but if I was with the Lord and this Heap character did have the power to raise me from the dead–though it goes without saying that he does not!–I would be furious being taken from the Lord to thrown into the Great Tribulation. I would have plenty to say to him and none of it would be nice.
We do know why people preach such trash. It’s because the Bible tells us that they are wolves in sheep’s clothing and want to make merchandise of the flock [2 Pet 2:3]. But how is it that they get people who can be so gullible to follow them? You’d think people would realize that these charlatans are of the devil and, besides that, their followers are putting mere mem above God’s Word. They are making gods of them which makes idolators out of themselves.
It’s really tragic. But the Scriptures warn us of such things. And I guess those people who claim to be Christians just don’t believe God’s Word. It is virtually impossible to reason with disciples of cult leaders. I know from experience.
Some more interesting reading. Jesus appears to Muslims
You can also read this article: Isa al Masih – The Muslim’s ‘Jesus Christ’
Hi
Thank you for an excellent post, it has added so much to my discernment about people saying they had visions of Jesus/heaven.
I’d just like to ask how one would actually go about testing a spiritual experience such as described by Choo thomas. (I have not had any such experience, thank God).
The Bible says “(1 John 4:2-3 KJV) Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.”
It just seems to me from these personal accounts of people going to heaven/seeing Jesus; that nobody ever just asks these spiritual beings to confess that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. Wouldn’t this clear it up immediately?
Dear Nunu
You Test the Spirits according to 1 John 4 this way. When you come across odd teachings you go to the Bible to see what God says on the matter. For instance, we know from scripture that Paul was ‘taken up’ to heaven, but he was given strict instructions to NEVER EVER say what he saw or heard. This is the exact opposite of Choo Thomas, her ‘Jesus’ said tell everyone what you saw and heard. God says don’t tell anyone, Satan says tell everyone what I’ve showed you.
We also need to think logically when we read people’s books. For instance Choo’s Jesus tells us that Choo is his most special daughter and in order to be as special as her we need to follow her book as though it’s part and parcel of the Word of God itself. RED FLAG! Any teaching/book that is NOT part of the bible as it stands is NOT the Word of God.
Apostolic and Prophetic adherents like Choo Thomas love to tells us that God told them as they blurt out NEW words and prophecies from their god.
You said: “The Bible says “(1 John 4:2-3 KJV) Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.”
It just seems to me from these personal accounts of people going to heaven/seeing Jesus; that nobody ever just asks these spiritual beings to confess that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. Wouldn’t this clear it up immediately?”
I would think so. The big problem is when your mind is overtaken by a vision or dream your mind is being directed by Satan and it’s difficult to think and reason. I’ve noticed from books where people have dreams or visions that they were pushing God to have dreams or visions from Him thinking if you have dreams and vision its a sign that you are truly a child of God. And this is where Satan jumps in. Satan says because of your disobedience to God I will give you what you want.
I’ve had people comment here on this site years ago that they ‘tested the spirits’ by asking a preacher (who was clearly false based on what he tough etc) if he believed ‘that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God’ and the preacher of course would say “yes”. And that was their litmus test, and no matter how I tried to convince them otherwise they would not hear it.
Thank you Deborah.
I have a long way to go in being able to assess teachings with adequate discernment. I’m grateful for your site as it helps a lot!
Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:
So my husband came home with this book, he got it for free at the Pancake shop in Banana Beach. No really!!. So I told him, the title sounds familiar, I am sure I saw a book review on DTW. I asked him to read a page for us, and I sat back and listened. He fell asleep after 3 minutes, I then looked up the book review, and was shocked. I sneaked to his side of the bed and stole the book!! I was not going to be woken up by an evil kundalini in my room, so I put the book in the dustbin. But tonight I am burning it. It’s rubbish.
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Thank you Deborah, you have confirmed what I was thinking about this book. Someone lent it to me but I only got through the first few pages. On paging through the book after making the decision not to read it she says something about Jesus telling her he was going to celebrate his birthday on 25th December! That just did it for me. I have a question though…reading through some of the comments above and your answers, do you really believe that Jesus appearing to Muslims in dreams is false?
Dear Alison Hop Hing
Thank you for your comment, sorry for the late reply.
You said: do you really believe that Jesus appearing to Muslims in dreams is false?
Absolutely. The man that appears to Muslims in dreams is mostly dressed in white and looks like pictures of the Roman Catholic Jesus Christ that Leonardo Da Vinci painted and over the years this painting has changed into other depictions of what Jesus Christ is supposed to look like.
This is not Jesus Christ, but a false Christ. Do some research and you will notice that Muslims converted to Christianity via visitation of a Jesus like figure mostly covert to Catholicism because Mary has an entire chapter dedicated to her in the Koran – who gave birth to the PROPHET Jesus.
Wow, that’s interesting, I will check that out, thank you
I’m very late to this conversation. I also read the book, way back when, on the recommendation of a good (albeit deceived) friend.
I experienced exactly what others did – a hopelessless and fearfulness, that I was not obedient and special enough to be saved. In fact, I felt myself to be one of the “lost Christians”, dressed in the sand coloured robes in CT’s brown desert. It plunged me into a works salvation mentality and took me some time to get over that.
Thank God for true discernment minstries!
I must go through my library and see if I still have that book – if I do, it is bound for the paper recycling bin…
Great Alta… you heed the warning – Jer 23:16 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you: they make you vain: they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the LORD.
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Thank you for taking the time to comment on this book. It is invaluable for me. I have critiqued this book for so many believers. It will be great to forward this article.
Is there somewhere on this website where I can search for churches that hold to the DTW statement of faith or at least fairly close to it? I am situated in Pretoria. Really desperate for a church family.
Any churches anybody can direct me to in the Pretoria area? I am really desperate for a church family.
The part of the book that really bothered me was that Choo’s mother, who was a very good person, was in hell for eternity, with no way back, simply because she did not “accept” Jesus, whom she never knew anything about.
Barbaree
Being a very good person means nothing to Jesus Christ. The bible says:
Jeremiah 17:9 KJV
9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
You need to be born again to see heaven.
SALVATION
➡️ What does it mean to be born again and what is it that you need to understand about God and the nature of sin:
You need to understand that the God of the Bible is holy. The word “holy” means to be “separated from.” He hates sin and all the evil things mankind has done and is still doing, and cannot allow anyone whose sins are still upon them to come into his presence. That is why Jesus said, “Then said Jesus again unto them, I go my way, and ye shall seek me, and shall die in your sins: whither I go, ye cannot come.” (John 8:21). We all die because the wages of sin is death (Romans 6:23).
So, as you can see, we all have a huge problem. The problem is this. When people die with their sins still upon themselves like a huge burden in their hearts, they will be separated from God for all eternity (for ever and ever) in a place called The Lake of Fire which was prepared by God for the devil and his fallen angels (Matthew 25:41).
However, God does not want anyone to be cast into the Lake of Fire because He loves us too much (2 Peter 3:9).
So, he hates sin and cannot allow sinners to come into his eternal presence but also sincerely does not want them to perish in the Lake of Fire.
There was only one way to solve this problem. He sent his only begotten Son to us, who became a man just like us but without sin. He was 100% pure of sin and never sinned once during his life on earth although He was tempted to do sin just like we are. Although He was not guilty of any sin, He willingly allowed Himself to be crucified on a cross and to bear every human being’s sins who ever lived, are still alive, and will live in the future, so that his Father could righteously judge our sins in his body.
How do we receive forgiveness for our sins? Paul says in Acts, “Everyone who calls on the Name of the Lord shall be saved.” Do some people never call on his Name? (Jesus, which means “Saviour”). Most people never call on his Name because they refuse to admit that they are lost sinners. Yes, all people admit they are sinners but very little admit they are lost sinners. Only those who realize under the conviction of the Holy Spirit that they are lost and indeed on their way to hell if they do not repent, are saved. Jesus said, “When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. (Mark 2:17).
Jesus told Nikodemus, “You MUST be born again, and He is saying it to you if you have not yet received forgiveness for your sins. Jesus is calling you to come to Him. “Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden [with sin], and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of mie; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light. (Matthew 11:28-30)
➡️ Salvation – Diligently seek Jesus Christ the Son of God:
“Without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.” (Hebrews 11:6)
➡️Do you want to be born again?
I want you to pray this sinners prayer, diligently seeking Jesus Christ as your Saviour. Please note this prayer will not save you, it’s what in your heart! Do you believe you are a lost sinner in desperate need of salvation? Are you truly seeking Jesus Christ the Son of God? Are you truly seeking to be born again? Are you truly seeking to change your ways? Below is an example of a prayer, you can pray your own prayer if you want.
James 5:15 “And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.”
➡️ Prayer:
“Heavenly Father, I come before you in the name of Your Son, Jesus Christ. I know that Jesus Christ is the only Way, the Truth, and the Life; and is the only Mediator between You and man. Heavenly Father, I believe that Your only begotten Son Jesus Christ paid the price for mankind through His sacrifice on the cross, He was buried, and rose again 3 days later. I acknowledge to You Lord Jesus Christ that I am a LOST sinner. You shed Your precious Blood on the cross for me, Your blood washes away my sin, covers me and cleanses me.
I am truly sorry for the sinful, shameful life I have lived. I want to repent Lord Jesus, I want to turn away from my sins but I can only do that with Your help. Please forgive me of all my sins Lord Jesus, I earnestly repent. Forgive me of my sins as I forgive anyone who has ever sinned against me, I hold no grudges anymore.
You are my Saviour Lord Jesus, only you. I truly desire to serve You, Lord Jesus. I pray that You would help me to hear Your still small voice. Heavenly Father, I want to be baptised by the Holy Spirit right now, I want the Holy Spirit to come and abide in me; I desire to be led by Your Holy Spirit so I can faithfully follow You and obey Your commandments. I want the guidance and conviction of the Holy Spirit in my life.
I want to thank you for the forgiveness of ALL my sins, and the glorious gift of salvation and everlasting life You have given me. At this very moment I acknowledge that Jesus Christ the Son of God is my Savior and according to His Word, right now I am born again, in Your mighty precious Name.
Thank You Lord Jesus, for coming into my life and thank You for saving me. Amen”
➡️ Faith in Jesus Christ alone:
FAITH: You don’t change your ways TO BE saved and/or to stay saved. Your changed life starts to take place AFTER you are born again and only through the POWER of the Holy Spirit in your life (who came to abide in you the moment you were saved).
There is nothing you can do, no work, no action that you need to do to keep your salvation.
FAITH ALONE in Jesus Christ’s to keep you is all that is needed. When you sin, you acknowledge to Jesus Christ that you have sinned, you repent and you tell Jesus you want to change your ways and you ask Jesus Christ to help you stop sinning – this is what is called dying to yourself daily. Dying to self is the continual denial of the flesh that occurs over a believer’s lifetime, and being in continual agreement with the Holy Spirit.
You have faith that Jesus and Jesus ALONE is the one that stops you from sinning, nothing you do, no physical action you take from your side can stop you from sinning – this would be of your own flesh if you stopped doing certain sins and this is not biblical.