Guillaume Smit and the “Culture” of Islam?
Guillaume Smit and the “Culture” of Islam?
Dear Rev. Guillaume Smit:
1) Islam is not a culture. But let’s say it was; that means as per you, that Christianity is a culture too? Hmmm… no wonder all you Ecumenical people can speak so easily about faiths joining hands, because it’s only a ‘culture’.
2) I wont mention your hate speech of not planning to become a Muslim anytime soon (as written below in your latest article).
See The Christian Bully vs The False Teacher and Revisiting: The Christian Bully vs The False Teacher where Guilluame Smit called Christians who are against New Age teachings and preaching’s ‘bullies’ and hinted that disagreeing with his beliefs (culture) and exposing his “All religions (cultures) lead to one God” post-modernism was considered Hate Speech. Even blogged some laws and legislation on Hate Speech too towards Christians who adhere to the Word of God 100%.
Guilluame (I feel that we are on a first name basis now, after all this dialoging). Let’s read your article first and then we can see below for list of Christian persecution articles from around the world. Just thought I would inform you of today’s culture.
GOING CROSS-CULTURAL: THE FESTIVAL OF EID – 2009-09-18
This weekend (especially Sunday) is an important time for people adhering to the Muslim religion. They celebrate the festival of Eid in this time. A friend of mine is in management at the company she works for. As such she forms part of a diversity team that helps company employees to understand each other’s traditions, cultures and religions better. She sent the following piece of information on Eid to me, telling me they send it to everyone in their company.
Obviously I am not Muslim, and I do not plan to become one anytime soon. My love for Christ is burning way too strong. Yet I decided to share my friend’s piece, as it helped me gain new insight in a very important festival for the Muslim community (of which I know nothing about).
Perhaps we, as Christians, by gaining this knowledge, can try to be a bit more understanding towards this very fundamentalistic religion. And, perhaps, through this, we can show more respect to people who are Muslim believers as our testimony about the love of Christ, even if we differ fundamentally from them.
Here is some information about Eid for Non-Muslims.
Eid ul-Fitr or Id-Ul-Fitr often abbreviated to Eid, is a Muslim holiday that marks the end of Ramadaan, the Islamic holy month of fasting. Eid is an Arabic word meaning “festivity”, while Fiá¹r means “to break the fast” (and can also mean “nature”, from the word “fitrah”) and so symbolizes the breaking of the fasting period.
Common greetings during this holiday are the Arabic greeting (“Blessed Eid”) or (“Happy Eid”). In addition, many countries have their own greetings based on local language and traditions.
Typically, Muslims will wake up early in the morning and have a small breakfast. Muslims are encouraged to dress in their best clothes (new if possible) and to attend a special Eid prayer that is performed in congregation at mosques or open areas like fields, squares etc.
Eid al-Fitr marks the end of the fasting of Ramadaan. This has to do with the communal aspects of the fast, which expresses many of the basic values of the Muslim community. Fasting is believed by some scholars to extol fundamental distinctions, lauding the power of the spiritual realm, while acknowledging the subordination of the physical realm.[3]
The Islamic tradition also associates events with the occasion. For example, on Eid al-Fitr, the angel Gabriel descended with white clothes for each of prophet Muhammad’s grandsons.
Eid al-Fitr falls on the first day of Shawwal, the month which follows Ramadan in the Islamic calendar. It is a time to give in charity to those in need, and celebrate with family and friends the completion of a month of blessings and joy.
Before the day of Eid, during the last few days of Ramadan, each Muslim family gives a determined amount as a donation to the poor. This donation is of actual food — rice, barley, dates, rice, etc. — to ensure that the needy can have a holiday meal and participate in the celebration. This donation is known as sadaqah al-fitr (charity of fast-breaking).
Source: http://emergingbracken.blogspot.com/2009/09/going-cross-cultural-festival-of-eid.html
A few updates on the persecution on Christians around the world by different ‘Cultures’
Note many of these articles will speak about Catholics as being Christian which I do not agree with. Roman Catholicism is not Christian. The point is that MURDER IS MURDER no matter what . If Christians went around killing others I would say emphatically that they are NOT born again Christians for God says ‘Thou Shalt Not Kill’. A truly saved Christian has the conviction of the Holy Spirit in their life to not sin. So these fake Christians are nothing but murdrers (until such time that they come to know Jesus Christ and repent of their sin – in which they will then be truly born again)
Yet a murderous Muslim remains a Muslim no matter what.
BREAKING NEWS: Violence Overshadows Funeral Murdered Pakistan Christian
Tensions remained high Thursday, September 17, in Pakistan’s Punjab province after police dispersed angry crowds protesting against the death of a young Christian prisoner, who was held for allegedly desecrating the Koran, viewed as a holy book by Muslims.
Saudi Arabia Detains Internet Writer For Becoming Christian
A young Internet writer in Saudi Arabia was in life danger Wednesday, January 28, after he was detained by authorities for announcing on his blog that he converted from Islam to Christianity, religious human rights investigators said.
Somalia Islamic Militants Behead Four Christian Orphanage Workers
Christians in Somalia faced a tense day Thursday, August 13, amid fresh reports that fighters of the country’s main Islamic insurgent group al-Shabab beheaded four Christian aid workers for refusing to renounce their faith in Christ.
Pakistan human rights group says police colluding with jihadists who are murdering Christians with impunity. As indicated here. “Collusion between police and extremists cause of deaths in judicial custody, Pakistani NGO says,” by Fareed Khan for
Asia News, September 17 (thanks to C. Cantoni):
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/09/pakistan-human-rights-group-says-police-colluding-with-jihadists-who-are-murdering-christians-with-i.html
NEWS ALERT: Chinese Security Service Raid Beijing House Church Home
By Worthy News Asia Service BEIJING, CHINA (Worthy News)– A prominent member of a house church movement has been told to leave his home this week after Chinese officials and security forces raided his rented apartment in the capital Beijing, representatives told Worthy News Tuesday, September 15.
Islamic Militants Kill Christian Convert in Somalia
Christians in Somalia were facing another potential day of bloodshed Monday, August 24, amid fresh reports that Muslim militants are hunting down converts to Christianity, killing at least one man in recent days for abandoning Islam.
Iranian Women Demand Release Christian Converts
Women dressed in white have gathered outside the Iranian embassy in London as part of a prayer vigil to highlight the plight of two female Christian converts from Islam who have been held at Evin Prison in Teheran “without charge”for the last six months, organizers said.
Concerns Over Kidnapped Christians In Yemen As Fighting Escalates
Intense fighting between government forces and Shi’ite Muslim rebels in northern Yemen is hampering international efforts to locate a kidnapped Christian family and a British engineer, Worthy News established Saturday, September 5.
EU Ambassadors Discuss Belarus Threats To Close Megachurch
European ambassadors to Belarus have met with the leader of New Life Church in the capital Minsk to discuss “threats” by authorities to “destroy” one of the country’s largest evangelical churches by confiscating its building, a former cowshed, church officials said in a statement obtained by Worthy News Thursday, August 27.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/09/random-jihad-in-egypt-muslim-murders-christian-shopkeeper-stabs-two-others.html
Random jihad in Egypt: Muslim murders Christian shopkeeper, stabs two others
“There is anger among the Christians because they feel their blood has been made cheap.” Their blood was already cheap. “The indemnity paid for a Jew or Christian is one-third the indemnity paid for a Muslim.” — ‘Umdat al-Salik, o4.9 “Egyptian Christian’s murder sparks sectarian tension,” from Deutsche Presse Agentur, September 17 (thanks to The Religion of Peace):
BREAKING NEWS: Christians Sentenced To Long Prison Terms For Aiding North Koreans
Christian Li Mingshun has been sentenced to 10 years imprisonment for helping North Koreans fleeing to South Korea, while her fellow Christian, Zhang Yonghu, received a seven-year sentence for organizing transportation for the refugees, trial observers said.
2,000 Evicted Pakistani Christians Fear Death And Infection, aid workers say
Some 2,000 Christians in Pakistan’s capital Islamabad, many of whom were evicted from their homes, face the prospect of dying from dehydration, infection or the cumulative effects of poverty Christian aid workers told Worthy News Thursday, August 20.
Turkish Christians Fear Nationalism After Murder And Threat
Turkish Christians remain concerned about rising nationalism and hostility towards non-Muslims in Turkey, following the killing of a Christian businessman and the attack against an evangelist, Worthy News monitored Tuesday, August 11.
Egypt Court Bans ‘Christian’ On Ex-Muslim’s ID Card
For the second time, an Egyptian court has rejected a Christian convert’s request to change his religious affiliation on his identity card in a ruling described by critics as “a severe blow” to freedom of religion of ex-Muslims.
Sudan Christians Urge Prayers Amid Widespread Killings
Sudanese Christians have urged fellow believers around the world to pray for them as armed groups are kidnapping and killing church leaders and other Christians, an advocacy group with close knowledge about the situation told BosNewsLife Tuesday , September 15.
Nigeria Christians Fear Crackdown Amid Deadly Clashes
Christian leaders in northern Nigeria fear a fresh crackdown on evangelical activities after local authorities announced plans to control religious preachers as Islamic violence left at least a dozen Christians dead and destroyed some 20 churches.
Zanzibar Christians Fear More Attacks After Church Burnings, Evictions
Christians on Tanzania’s Zanzibar Island anticipated more attacks against them Wednesday, July 1, as two churches were reportedly burned over the weekend by suspected militants opposing the spread of Christianity on the Muslim dominated semi-autonomous territory.
Concerns Over Jailed Iranian Christians Amid Political Turmoil
As the world focuses on the political turmoil in Iran, two detained Christian women are “in danger of being forgotten” amid concerns they may face execution, Iranian Christians said Tuesday, July 7.
Rev. Guillaume Smit:
How is it that a preacher can claim ignorance about other religions? The Bible teaches that there is only one God and that idolaters will not enter Heaven. Start right there. If that is not enough, then go ahead and find out the basic facts from Islam 101.
Go ahead. Read it all.
Speak for yourself. And understand this: Christians that are saved out of Islam face a mandatory death sentence.
And perhaps not. They do not need our respect. They need our compassion and our proclamation of the fear of the One true God, His coming judgement on all idolaters and the Good News:
Where in the Bible does it say that we should show respect to idolaters? Proclaim the Word of God!
Islam 102
Rev Guilluam Smit. You are nothing but an insult to all Christians who are saved by Jesus Christ out of Islam who knew the penalty for doing so would be death. You sit there in your cosy chair and speak about love. You know nothing of genuine Biblical Christian love. If you did, you would speak out against these atrocities and stand up for the Gospel Jesus Christ and all those who have been martyred in the most horrendus ways throughout history.
Instead you speak out for Caster Semenya and taking a stand by, “…. publicly adding my voice to the demand that Leonard Chuene immediatley step down as chairperson of Athletics South Africa”. MR CHUENE, PLEASE RESIGN IMMEDIATELY
Oh my, now that’s a tough stand. Let us know when you start standing for Jesus Christ the Son of God.
DTW
Dutch Reformed ministers DO NOT resign.
They emerge, see?
Watch and learn, kiddo. Watch and learn.
> “Yet I decided to share my friend’s piece, as it helped me gain new insight in a very important festival for the Muslim community (of which I know nothing about)”.
I cannot believe a “renown leader” would use such a pathetic excuse (‘reason’) as why to celebrate heathen feasts!! unbelievable!
but here’s some really good news, positive news:
a ex-muslim lady and her husband asked me and my hubby this week-end if they can adopt us as 2nd parents. this following their 100% ostracizing from family and friends. they especially want to do this because of their little 3 yr old daughter, whom they cannot tell at this age that her grantparents are still alive and well but does not want anything to do with her. tragic! OFF COURSE we said YES!! celebration time! this Rev Guilluam Smit and others like him, don’t have a clue how much harm they do to “the body of Christ”, “the Kingdom of God” and “those who come to repentance and to the full knowledge of Jesus Christ” out of work- and bondage religions such as Islam! shame on you!
praise the LORD God for the hope there is in Jesus Christ and that many are answering to the call to become His disciples, notwithstanding the terrible persecution they’ll have to face. again, SHAME ON YOU REV SMIT!!
cecilia
Amanda
LOLOL
So, even though the Bible does not teach Christians to respect other religions, Rev. Guillaume Smit assumes that it would be a good idea to learn more about Islam and he assumes that the outcome would be positive?
All righty, then. If the problem is lack of respect due to Christian ignorance, then Rev. Guillaume Smit can solve it by providing facts about the customs and religion of the ideology called Islam. I look forward to reading about the results of his studies. May I suggest the following areas of interest?
FGM, the burqa and niqab, honour killings, suicide murders, beating disobedient wives, slaying the infidel wherever you may find them, death for apostasy, Dar-al-harb vs Dar al-Salam, the rule of abrogation, the descendants of apes and pigs, jizya, dhimmi, Taqiyya and kitman.
How many wives may a Muslim man have?
How many husbands may a Muslim woman have?
What is jihad?
What does the word ‘Islam’ mean?
Is it lawful in Islam to saw off an infidel’s head with a knife?
Is it lawful in Islam to fly aeroplanes into buildings and murdering 3000 people?
How many male Muslim witnesses must a woman have to proof rape?
Did Brian McLaren say the Shahadah?
Who was the perfect man for all times?
How many wives did he have?
How old was his youngest bride?
How many murders did he commit?
What about the satanic verses?
Being a theologian and a researcher, maybe Rev. Guillaume Smit can compare and contrast the founder of Islam to Jesus Christ, the Son of the living God?
Cecilia, great testimony. May the Lord bless and keep them.
Now, if Rev. Guillaume Smit wants to be an apologist for Muslims, he can. Let’s just see if he, as a researcher and theologian, will read the Quran and examine what the Muslim scholars teach and not what the friendly and peaceful Muslim down the road says. He has set himself a lofty goal. Let’s see how he does.
Cecilia, I hear you. And no, he won’t make it. No infidels allowed in Mecca or Medina. You have to say the Shahadah first.
Rev. Guillaume Smit’s reasoning is that, once Christians gain knowledge about Islam, they will show more respect towards Muslims. If he has identified the problem correctly, then he can help the world by merely providing Christians with data. That is not too much to ask, is it?
Prof. Hennie Stander said something similar:
Prof. Stander is on Ref. Smit’s list of Influential Christian Bloggers & Writers of South Africa. And so is Dr. Stephan Joubert and his gang.
Oh, look! Rev. Cobus van Wyngaard even added Nic Paton, author of that Jesus the trickster article!
Amanda, I almost feel sorry for him. His next task (in “trying to understand” his Muslim friend(s)), is to go to Mecca (it follows the Ramadan). there he’ll get the chance to “honor” the black stone and even throw some stones at it, as if it is satan himself. that’s if he can make it alive through the crowd! I wonder if he has learned (according to scripture) to fast whenever the Holy Spirit compels him, or is he going to fast once a year (on ramadan)? just asking…. but surely this is a finger pointing to those who call themselves the “true followers” of Jesus Christ. are we fasting and praying when prompted by Holy Spirit? are we giving and caring? NOT because we learn it from the heathen in keeping their feasts and holy book ordinances, BUT by reading the Bible and adhere to whatever it teaches us, to do it, and to do it correctly (also set out in scriptures).
I’ve read that after this ramadan the congregations of the individuals (whether pastor or not) who took part in the ramadan feast/fast, are going to be taught the ways of these people of other faiths (same as is happening in our schools). maybe I must invite a few of them to come here for 1 year and start attending all the Hindu feasts!? man, yeah, now it gets to me! They are discriminating if they don’t do that! let me go for now…
cecilia
C
I somehow see them having to wear those ‘disguise plastic glasses, the mustache, big plastic nose and a turban to get past the first security check point looking for infidels.
Ok, now I am laughing just picturing this.
It seems that Rev. Guillaume Smit is right, after all.Brian McLaren:
But what is this?
People are being forced to ‘run a marathon’?
And here is a lady who gained firsthand knowledge of the culture of the religious ideology called Islam and still she lacks respect. How can that be?
Read it all. She has a lot more to say.
Muslim Man Beheads Christian in Egypt
While we wait for Rev. Guillaume Smit to provoke respect for Muslims in Christians by providing us with information on Islam, we can do some of the work ourselves.
Eid
One variation:
Ramadan
So let us now turn our attention to the Qur’an itself.
Blogging the Qur’an: Introduction
You can find the index here. Please read it all and then tell us if you think that Brain McLaren, Prof. Hennie Stander and Dr. Guillaume Smit is correct, that knowledge of Islam [not feelings, mind you], will lead Christians to respect Muslims more?
May I suggest that the correct response should be compassion?
I hope ALL who read ANYthing about Islam, first go into prayer and seek protection? I have often found that people go through serious periods of doubt, questioning, straying, denying, etc. whilst “studying” other “religions”/believes. and without the protection of the blood of the Lord Jesus Christ, it is easy to come to a place where one will feel drawn to renounce the Bible (Word of God), and many times, renounce the Lord Jesus Christ and Lord, Savior and King. I would plead with all to read and pray double the time that you spend in research… and don’t read this stuff just before falling asleep, it works in the subconscious and can create havoc in your spiritual and physical life. cecilia
McLaren: quoted: “… every time I meet a Muslim who has observed the fast even once, I will have new and sincere respect”. so for McLaren, the 1000’s of Christians, many of them under persecution in Muslim control parts in the world, (these Christians) who fast regularly, praying for protection and guidance, AND living in peace with their Muslim controllers (from their side), for McLaren their fasting has no meaning what so ever (because he makes NO mention that as far as I know of, somewhere, of Christians who fast regularly). and here where I live, whole churches fast (regularly) for everything/anything they are seeking an answer from the Lord for. and going out of the Christian circle, what about the Hindu’s different annual fasts? Oh wait, I forgot that McLaren is pro-Muslim. His focus is on the Muslim .. on Islam … no wonder his focus is a bit blurred when it comes to clear reading of soli scriptura…
cecilia
Yes, Cecilia. It is very dangerous. So, why are emergent theologians indulging in the unbiblical practice of pushing the warm, fuzzy side of Islam on Christians? Brian McLaren said:
He draws no distinction between Allah and the Lord of the Bible. Are we all worshipping the same God, but just in different faith communities? Come on! He says:
Brian is promoting spiritual practices, the goal of which is to experience transcendence and to realize, hey, all is one. He quotes ‘a Franciscan novice who joined in the Ramadan fast’:
Let’s just skip over the lies about ‘Palestine’. This novice declares that expressing love to Allah through fasting, had, I take it, benefited this Arab? Do they not know what the Bible say about where idolaters will spend eternity? Do they not have any compassion? These emergent pastors are telling the sheep that the goats are onto some good fodder. Shameful.
Don’t blame the Muslims for the woes of this country and don’t blame the false teachers. Blame the Christians who put them in the pulpits.
Enough of this beating about the bush stuff.
Shane Hipps has already spelled it out for us. He preached that religions are like sails. They may differ in shape, size and effectiveness, but they all catch the same wind, the spirit of god.
You can listen to Chris Rosebrough reviewing two of Shane’s sermons on Fighting for the Faith. The first one declares that all religions lead to the same spirit of god and the second one is about, wouldn’t you know, enlightenment! That is it. That is what the emergent church is all about. Reaching people for Jesus, my foot. Christians who might be tempted to play with this fire should hear Chris’ warnings given throughout his review:
Amen, Chris! Here are some quotes from the first sermon. I apologise for any mistake or lack of clarity. I encourage you to listen to Fighting for the Faith yourself. Shane Hipps:
The emergent church has moved beyond Christianity. It is no place for Christians.
i got a little “card” i often send to people on the cell- it says: “it is dangerous to sail the seas rudderless because you are forced to go where ever the wind blows you”. there goes the sails! I’m outa here! cecilia
Here is the full transcription: The sermon transcribed below, preached October 5, 2008 by Shane Hipps, is called Wind in the Sail.
Random Quote at DTW:
Dr. Guilaume Smit tweeted:
Dr. Guilaume Smit says:
Careful. Those who leave Islam get an automatic death sentence.
The Bible says:
Jesus Christ said:
In fact, the mission of the church is to proclaim repentance and forgiveness of sins in Jesus Christ’s Name. Luke 24:47
Yeah that’s the tweet…
but now it’s no longer there…vanished into thin air.
Dr. Giullaume Smit:
From Jihad Watch:
Read it all.
TRAIL OF TERROR
Christian question: ‘Interfaith dialogue’ or ‘useful idiots’?
Growing trend to meet with Muslims rings alarm bells for some
The effort among some Christian churches to meet with Muslims and dialogue about faith is a betrayal of the basic foundations of Christianity, asserts a critic of the developing trend.
“Useful idiots,” is how Christian talk show host and Muslim analyst Ingrid Schlueter assessed the participants in a recent interfaith dialogue session between the Acts 29 Network-affiliated Harambee Church and MAPS, the Muslim Association of Puget Sound, a group that has connections to the Washington state chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, or CAIR.
WND previously reported an expert on the advance of radical Islam in the United States says the Muslim Brotherhood is effectively employing a strategy of presenting “Islam lite” to organizations, including Christian churches.
The Muslim Brotherhood is the Sunni transnational movement founded in Egypt in 1928 that has spawned most of the major terrorist movements in the world, including al-Qaida and Hamas. It’s aim is to make Islamic law supreme over the world.
The recent church plant, a spinoff of Seattle’s Mars Hill megachurch, recently started a series of interfaith dialogue meetings with MAPS. Schlueter said there are complications.
The effort among some Christian churches to meet with Muslims and dialogue about faith is a betrayal of the basic foundations of Christianity, asserts a critic of the developing trend.
“Useful idiots,” is how Christian talk show host and Muslim analyst Ingrid Schlueter assessed the participants in a recent interfaith dialogue session between the Acts 29 Network-affiliated Harambee Church and MAPS, the Muslim Association of Puget Sound, a group that has connections to the Washington state chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, or CAIR.
WND previously reported an expert on the advance of radical Islam in the United States says the Muslim Brotherhood is effectively employing a strategy of presenting “Islam lite” to organizations, including Christian churches.
The Muslim Brotherhood is the Sunni transnational movement founded in Egypt in 1928 that has spawned most of the major terrorist movements in the world, including al-Qaida and Hamas. It’s aim is to make Islamic law supreme over the world.
The recent church plant, a spinoff of Seattle’s Mars Hill megachurch, recently started a series of interfaith dialogue meetings with MAPS. Schlueter said there are complications.
Listen to an interview with Ingrid Schlueter:
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=149893
A source in Washington state who is close to the Acts 29 Network says another reason the series of interfaith dialogues is a cause for concern is the Acts 29 Network’s and Pastor Mark Driscoll’s connections with Saddleback Church pastor Rick Warren. The best-selling author of pastor of the Lake Forest, Calif., megachurch also is involved in interfaith dialogue, Schlueter said.
Driscoll has participated in conferences at Warren’s Lake Forest, Calif., church and was listed as a speaker at Saddleback’s Radicalis conference for youth in February.
Driscoll’s assistant declined to forward WND messages to Driscoll’s voice mail and recommended WND fill out a request on the church website to obtain comment. But Driscoll has not replied.
Get the book that exposed CAIR from the inside out, autographed, from WND’s Superstore!
“It was April 20 when Rick Warren was at a Los Angeles synagogue with a group of imams and the rabbi from Temple Sinai. They were having an interfaith dialogue there,” Schlueter said. “This is happening. Whether it’s Mark Driscoll’s Acts 29 churches or whether it’s Rick Warren, this is a growing trend and it disturbs me,” the Crosstalk host said.
She said an April 22 edition of Jewish Journal included a photograph of Warren in which he appeared to be wearing a Muslim prayer cap.
“When I see photos like this, I see the influence of Islam in the church has gone a lot further than we think,” Schlueter said.
A spokesman from Warren’s Texas-based publicity firm, A. Larry Ross Communications, said Warren was wearing an Ethiopian Jewish cap in the photo.
Observers said while that may be the case, it leaves a questionable impression.
A Massachusetts pastor who asked not to be identified said real interfaith dialogue means being who you are.
“In real interfaith dialogue, each person brings their distinctives to the dialogue. Warren’s donning of the Muslim cap in the synagogue is compromise,” the pastor said.
Schlueter says appearances are important.
“It still looks like a kufi or taqiya, the Muslim prayer cap. But it doesn’t matter if it’s a yarmulke or an Islamic prayer cap. The point is that because he’s sitting with a group of imams, a lot of people will think it’s a Muslim cap,” Schlueter said.
“When you do interfaith dialogue, you be who you are. So why didn’t he participate as an evangelical Christian? Why did he compromise and wear something that will bring confusion?” Schlueter asked.
It was a year ago when Warren addressed the Islamic Society of North American convention, explaining he wanted to promote interfaith cooperation.
“I am not interested in interfaith dialogue but interfaith projects. As the two largest faiths on this planet – more than 1 billion Muslims and 2 billion Christians – as Muslims and Christians, we must believe in this. As more than half the world, we must do something to model what it is to live in peace, to live in harmony,” Warren said in his ISNA speech.
Not all Christian leaders are alarmed by the developments. Harambee Church associate pastor Michael Ly, who’s also the vice president of Peace Catalyst International, said the event was primarily to build relationships.
Ly said the event focused on discussing the two faith’s perspectives on who Jesus is, but its purpose wasn’t specifically aimed at evangelism.
Listen to an interview with Michael Ly: http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=149893
“The event was to make more friends in the community and we have many neighbors who are our neighbors. There are as many as 75,000 to 100,000 Muslims in the Seattle-Puget Sound area. They’re our neighbors,” Ly said.
Ly said that CAIR officials didn’t actually speak at the event, but were instrumental in helping organize it.
He said Washington state CAIR chapter president Arsalan Bukhari introduced him to the MAPS Redmond leader, “but from that point on, wasn’t super heavily involved in organizing the event.”
“But Arsalan helped get the Qurans we used,” Ly said.
Calls and e-mails asking for comment on this story from Bukhari’s office have not been returned.
Ly said the event was successful, and he maintains that the dialogue session achieved its objectives and opens the door for future evangelism opportunities.
“There were a lot of new friendships made between Muslims and Christians who were at the event. We’re going to continue to have ongoing dialogues with the MAPS Muslim community as well as ongoing dialogues about Jesus and other parts of our respective faiths with other Muslim communities through the Seattle area,” Ly said.
Leaders of the Acts 29 Network and Warren aren’t alone in their satisfaction with the trend toward interfaith dialogue.
Former Michigan Rep. Mark Siljander recently published “A Deadly Misunderstanding: A Congressman’s Quest to Bridge the Muslim-Christian Divide.” He’s also the founder of the Virginia lobbying firm Global Strategies.
Siljander said the Harambee Church’s actions and others like it are a positive step.
“I’m very encouraged. As a believer myself, I’m very distraught over the strategy, not theology, applied by most Christians toward Islam. Outspoken Christians like Franklin Graham and others have caused tremendous and unnecessary gulfs between Christians and Muslims,” Siljander said.
Graham recently was banned by the military from appearing at a National Day of Prayer event at the Pentagon because of his criticism of Islam’s violence.
“Most Christians for the most part, the outspoken ones, will criticize Islam, their book and their prophet and say, ‘Let’s sit down and talk about Jesus.’ Needless to say, that doesn’t work,” Siljander said.
“In the book that’s been out 14 months now, I say that we discovered that if you sit down with not only a respectful attitude, with Muslims, their holy book, their prophet and the culture, and do so with the enthusiasm about the person of Jesus, we find that the Holy Spirit will take hold and bring the conversation where He wants it to take,” Siljander said.
Schlueter, however, calls such meetings simply propaganda tools for radical Islam.
“Evangelical Christians are not seeing the false concept first of all of the interfaith services, where we share our view about Jesus and then the Muslims share their view about Jesus, is completely alien to the example in Acts chapter two,” Schlueter said.
“The apostles got up and preached Christ crucified, the hope of the world. What we’re seeing now is ‘let’s sit down and talk about your view about of this and let’s watch how you pray with your prayer rug and we’ll show you how we pray as Christians and we’ll all go away and have some tea and cookies.’ That’s not evangelism,” she said.
“We’re not calling for hatred or intolerance or anything of that nature. But I do believe it is wrong for Christians to go knocking on the door of a local mosque or local CAIR office and say we’d like to have a Muslim official come to our church and we’ll sit and talk,” Schlueter said.
“What they’re doing is being useful idiots for propaganda purposes by CAIR with its terrorist ties and effort to promote Islam within the United States, the rule of Islam and the promotion of shariah law. If Christians are not going to be more discerning than that they are serving as useful idiots and promoting a doctrine that is counter to the Gospel of Jesus Christ,” she said.
Pamela Geller publishes Atlas Shrugs, which along with Robert Spencer’s Jihad Watch, reports on developments of Islam in the West.
Geller said any CAIR involvement should be of concern for a Christian.
“CAIR is a Hamas front, an unindicted co-conspirator in a Hamas funding case. Hamas is a jihad terrorist group. Several former CAIR officials are now in prison for terrorist activities. The FBI won’t work with CAIR anymore, and is in fact investigating CAIR,” Geller explained.
Geller also makes the tie between CAIR and the Muslim Brotherhood.
“The Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt has called CAIR the Muslim Brotherhood in the U.S. CAIR’s ties with the Muslim Brotherhood were, in fact, entered in evidence in the Holy Land terror trial. The Muslim Brotherhood’s stated goal is one world living under Islamic law,” Geller said.
CAIR headquarters in Washington
“The Quran teaches that Christians are under Allah’s curse for teaching that Jesus is the Son of God. The Muslim call to prayer calls Muhammad a messenger of Allah, and Muhammad taught that Christianity was just a twisted version of Islam. So what were the leaders of Harambee church thinking? What do the leaders of the Harambee church think of the worldwide persecution, oppression and subjugation of Christians living in Muslim lands?” Geller asked.
“By working with Hamas-tied CAIR, and letting the Muslim call to prayer sound in their church, they’re showing their weakness and ignorance of the Islamic jihad program to conquer and subjugate Christians and other non-Muslims. They have submitted. They’re cutting their own throats, and aiding their own worst enemies,” Geller said.
P. David Gaubatz and Paul Sperry write in their WND book “Muslim Mafia” that Muslims want to Islamize Jesus.
They report the training manual for CAIR includes information about Jesus.
Among the materials CAIR distributes in its outreach efforts in the U.S. is the book “Jesus: Prophet of Islam” by Mohammad Ata-ur-Rehman and Muslim convert Ahmad Thomson. CAIR also launched a $60,000 advertising campaign on Florida buses with the message Jesus was a Muslim. The signs read: ‘ISLAM: The Way of Life of Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and Muhammad.”
One Islamic expert who formerly worked with the U.S. government on terror said Muslims even use the writings of disaffected Christian.
“Muslims are making use of Bart Ehrman’s commentaries on the New Testament, books that now deny the authority of the New Testament and portray Jesus as simply a man,” he said. “You will never hear a Muslim say that Jesus is the Son of God.”
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