The Positive and The Negative of a One World Religion
The Positive and The Negative of a One World Religion
They tell you its all good, they tell you it’s all about peace, love and joy. They tell you the message they are spreading is one of change, transformation. We have to under no uncertain terms create peace on earth – no uncertain terms. We need to save the earth, because we as a human race are going to be living in this world for a long, long time. And we can’t continue fighting amongst each other. The main culprit for all the conflict is religion. And the only way to fix this problem is to merge all the major faiths together. But they had to find the central common denominator of each religion to be able to unite them together. It’s Christ.
They say that the Christians await their Christ, Jews are still awaiting the Messiah, Hindus are anticipating the coming of Krishna, Muslims are expecting the Imam Mahdi and Buddhists await the Fifth (Maitreya) Buddha. They say all these ‘Christ’s’ are actually one and the same. Therefore ALL religions lead to the same God – So what are we fighting about?
Roman Catholicism and a One World Religion
Besides the multiple horrendus problems with the above so called brilliant concept there is one BIG factor that needs to be taken into consideration. The Christians they speak of here are Roman Catholics who are not genuine Christians. Their Christ is the Eucharist Christ who is permanently nailed to a cross, never coming off and being sacrificed repeatedly, the mother is Mary or Isis (Goddess of Fertility) and their God is Mithra the Sun God. The born again Christians await Jesus Christ the Son of God – The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. So technically yes, the Roman Catholics do await their Christ which is the same Christ as all other religions out there – EXCEPT truly born again Christians….
The genuine Christian’s Saviour is Jesus Christ the Son of God, King of Kings as written in the Bible and IS NOT the same Christ we are called to accept by the ‘new’ one world religion that is taking over this earth (or should I say has already overtaken the earth). We are told we are in a New Age, a New Dawn, everything is Emerging and merging. We are told that we can turn this world around. If we come together as one global community we can make this change. There will be peace, love and joy. We need to understand that we are all connected. We are brothers and sisters. If one is suffering then we are all suffering. If Africa is suffering then it’s a ‘measuring stick’ that the rest of the world is not in good shape.
Sharing (or service to humanity) IS all a One World Religion needs
We need to share. But it’s not about sharing the truth, the Gospel of Jesus Christ as per what is written in the Word of God. It’s not about saving souls for Jesus Christ anymore; it’s now ALL about sharing and giving to your brother and your sister. We need to show love and compassion by doing good works; feeding the poor, giving blankets to all who are cold, provide housing to everyone that they may have a roof over their heads, dig wells to provide water and stop emitting carbon so as to reverse climate change. We have to do this, because this is our world, our ‘mother’ earth.
But we can’t do this on our own, we need help. Help from The Christ himself. We do this through contemplative spirituality. The message of salvation where you need to repent of your own individual sin and accept Jesus Christ the Son of God by believing that He died for us, that our souls will be saved thereby receiving eternal life no longer applies. There is also no such thing as sin anymore, and preaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ which wholly includes the message of repentance of sin is now completely taboo.
This Christ comes bearing gifts for all; knowledge, health, love, peace, joy, food, water, education, a message of hope for mankind. A message that we can be higher than what we think we are. We can achieve so much more than we think. This message however is now where to be found in the Bible, unless of course you take the Word of God and twist what it says for your own ideologies.
Instead the new gospel is a one pager on how to connect with the Christ inside you. It will tell you how to go about choosing a place where you feel content and a place where you will achieve silence. The choosing of a mantra or sound etc., that you will repeat over and over again which will allow you to enter into a trace, the posture you will sit in so as to allow maximum energy flow between the charkas, a technique on how to breath efficiently and how to clear your mind of all thoughts, especially negative ones – you will never be able to hear God if you are thinking, walk a labyrinth, stop thinking!
This will help you in your quest to join a One World Religion:
- Transcend the world (transcend human/physical boundaries and move to a higher spiritual level)
- Experience more happiness in your life
- Recognize the divinity within all people (you will be able to recognize The Christ in other people – They say you will be able to recognise ‘Jesus’ in other people)
- Remember your divine nature (meditation will help you remember that you are not really human but have a divine nature, god-like)
- Use the business of the world to awaken (you will use earthly things and ideas to help awaken humanity to their destiny of being gods and having the power to create a Kingdom of God on earth)
- Develop more consistency with your spiritual practices (once you connect with your inner god-self (the god in you) you will find yourself reaching higher levels of spirituality much easier with less effort.)
- See the world through God’s eyes (you will see the world through ‘Gods’ eyes because you youself are a god)
- Understand the connection between being and creation (You will understand that the earth, animals, plants and humans are all connected and if one of them is suffering then mankind as a whole is suffering)
- Fulfill your life’s purpose (your life’s purpose is to help create the Kingdom of God on earth and rule as a god, you can be a king in your kingdom)
- Experience your divine innocence (being a god means that there is no such thing as sin, for a god can’t sin. You are therefore innocent and free)
- Recognize your holiness (you are holy because you are a god)
- Discover your divine gifts (gods always come with divine gifts; healing, compassion, love, etc.,)
- Uncover your heart’s desire (you will find that your heart’s desire will be entirely focused on peace and building the Kingdom of God on earth)
- See the presence of God in all things (God is all, and all is in God – pantheism, panentheism)
- Experience Oneness (you are a god, you are one with the universe – cosmic Elohim. Note this ‘Elohim’ is NOT the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob)
- Live heaven on earth (instead of being evacuated from earth as the Word of God speaks about constantly, you no longer need to believe this because earth will become your domain. You will rule the earth as a god.)
- Strengthen your creativity (become very creative at finding clever ways to network (using the businesses of the world) so as to help spread the message and teach employers and their staff the techniques of finding inner peace)
- Let go of unnecessary rules on your spiritual path (let go the Word of God, throw it away for the Bible is completely unnecessary. But you will take on the Golden Rule: Positive connotation – do to others what you would like to be done to you, Negative connotation – do not do to others what you would not like to be done to you)
- Develop more consistently with your meditation practice (again, the more you practice the more you get closer to hearing the voice of God. So the more you practice the more you will transform and reach higher levels of enlightenment, like climbing a ladder.)
- Experience Enlightenment [1] (all of the above, you progress in levels, until you reach the ultimate enlightenment, ultimate illumination)
Instead of preaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ we are to now to make friends with everyone and drink coffee until we are bouncing off the walls. We need to build relationships because that’s what Christ did; well that’s what the One World Religion-ers tell us. They tell us Jesus went around building relationships. He debated, He never rebuked anyone. He never once asked anyone to repent of their sin. He never once got angry and turned over the tables in the temple. In fact there was so much love going around that they were not even sure he was crucified and if he was crucified is was not anything as bad as the Bible makes it out to be. Some Emergent (New Age teachers) even say that Jesus’ body was eaten by dogs. Some say that Jesus was an illegitimate child, Mary was a whore and was raped by Roman soldiers – as Jesus grew up he could not explain the fact that he did not have a father so made up a story that his father was God.
The blasphemy, the absolute disgusting, evil words that spews out of people’s mouths.
They mock and insult Jesus Christ, our King of All Kings, our Lord and Saviour, the God who will bring JUDGEMENT on mankind for their wickedness. The people of this world will gather at Armageddon in an attempt to try show God what they are supposedly made of, but in the process are wiped out so quickly they won’t even know what hit them.
The One World Religion followers just can’t understand why we (genuine Christians) don’t want to attend their gatherings and bowling evenings. When we don’t accept the invitations we are told we are being negative, and negativity is just not a good thing. Negativity breeds hostility.
So my question is: What do you call HOSTILITY towards the One and Only Living God who sent His ONLY begotten Son to save the world?
It’s laughable!
A One World Religion and it’s positives and negatives
It’s only positive when the One World Religion followers say it’s positive. Otherwise it’s 100% negative. Insulting Jesus Christ is considered positive.
Positivity as per the New Age dictionary = love all who follow a message other than the Word of God. Reject Biblical teaching thereby denying Jesus Christ. Negativity as per the New Age dictionary = those who cause division instead of unity and follow the Word of God and refuse to deny Jesus Christ
James 4:4
4 You adulteresses, do you not know that friendship with the world is hostility toward God? Therefore whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God.
Resources:
[1] http://www.thevoiceforlove.com
Amanda:
>> I think you are playing a game where you try to get sheep to cuddle up to wolves.
Yip that did indeed cross my mind twice actually…but since his last response it’s kinda a permanent memory now.
Yeah, I am one major outlaw as far as the EMGT’s are concerned. Soon I really will have a WANTED sign up for me.
Do you deny that we are called to be ministers of reconciliation?
One last time: Do you consider yourself a minister of reconciliation?
By the way, where in this:
We are called to preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ, so that people will be born again of God’s Holy Spirit that we will receive eternal life!
….do you get the mandate to draw lines in the sand, declare people your enemies, judge people’s salvation, call into question peoples motives, tell other pastors and lay people in Christ’s church that they are liars whom you do not even know, speak with arrogance, condescension and pride? How is that preaching the GOOD NEWS that Jesus is Lord? Yes, we are to proclaim this truth. But we are to do so in love and we are to be ESPECIALLY loving and charitable towards those we perceive to be lost. We are called to be ministers of reconciliation. Again, do you know what that word means? It is about peace and friendships, not conflict and enemies. You seem to be severely mistaken about our role as Christians.
Are you a minister of reconciliation as Paul commands us to be in 2 Cor 6? Yes or no?
Chad
I’m going to sleep….good bye.
Rest well.
When you should get this perhaps you will see fit to answer the simple question.
I might add that while we are to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ, as you rightly point out, we are also called to be ministers of reconciliation. Scripture is the bedrock of truth, right? It is our source for truth, yes? If it ain’t all true than none of it’s true, amen? So you cannot discount Paul’s words in 2 Cor. 6 nor hold them as less important than anything else. It’s ALL equally authoritative from Genesis to Revelation, isn’t it?
Here are a few other commands that are as equally authoritative:
Be humble.
Love mercy.
The meek shall inherit the earth.
Love your enemies
Pray for those who persecute you.
God gives grace to the humble
Seek righteousness, seek humility
Clothe yourselves with humility
Care for orphans and widows
For even sinners love only those who love them
Knowledge puffs up, but love builds up.
ABOVE ALL, clothe yourselves with love.
Provoke one another to love and good deeds (what are you provoking people to?)
Deborah, are you a minister of reconciliation?
grace and peace,
Chad
2 Corinthians 5:11-21
11 Since, then, we know what it is to fear the Lord, we try to persuade men. What we are is plain to God, and I hope it is also plain to your conscience.
12 We are not trying to commend ourselves to you again, but are giving you an opportunity to take pride in us, so that you can answer those who take pride in what is seen rather than in what is in the heart.
13 If we are out of our mind, it is for the sake of God; if we are in our right mind, it is for you.
14 For Christ’s love compels us, because we are convinced that one died for all, and therefore all died.
15 And he died for all, that those who live should no longer live for themselves but for him who died for them and was raised again.
16 So from now on we regard no one from a worldly point of view. Though we once regarded Christ in this way, we do so no longer.
17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come!
18 All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation:
19 that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting men’s sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation.
20 We are therefore Christ’s ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us. We implore you on Christ’s behalf: Be reconciled to God.
21 God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.
Chad
We are called to preach the Word of God as we try desperately to persuade men, but their consciences are following after wickedness. We don’t commend ourselves for our gain, but for our Lord Jesus Christ who saved. Jesus’ love compels us to preach the gospel with all long suffering, because we are convinced that one died for all, and therefore all died. That the people of this world are dead if they do no not believe in Jesus Christ who died that the people of this world may be saved. But many do not want to know Him. They choose another ‘Christ’ instead. When one is born again we no longer view anything from a worldly perspective, because we are now a new creation a child of God and no longer of this world, our old nature of sin is gone as we no longer want to partake of this world’s wickedness and false doctrines, doctrine of demons.
Preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ, the truth that people may be saved though God’s Holy Spirit, All this because God reconciled us to Him through His Son Jesus Christ who we believed in, that he did for our sin, washed clean by His Blood that we may be presented before God spotless. We come before Jesus Christ and earnestly repented of the sin in our lives, that we may be saved. We preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ (salvation), the gospel of Reconciliation (salvation) that people may come to accept Jesus Christ and be reconciled to God.
Unless one believes and accepts Jesus Christ into their lives, there will never be reconciliation between themselves and God, because they deny His Son. They will remain in their wickedness and sin which is death. But those who come to believe the truth stated in the Word of God and nothing but the Truth as stated in the Word, who repent of their sin and are born again are reconciled to God and therefore now go out and preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ so that other souls may be saved.
When we are genuine Christians we now become God’s Ambassadors and we proclaim the Gospel loud and clear to all who want to hear. We warn, exhort, we teach, we rebuke.
There is no such thing as reconciliation between people who follow after false teaching and server another ‘Christ’ and those who obey the Word of God completely and serve Jesus Christ the Son of God. We preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ to everyone. BUT few will accept His message for Jesus Christ who was born sinless, walked this earth sinless and died sinless and was resurrected sinless who sits as the right hand of the Father, King of Kings, Lord of Lords is HATED by this sinful wicked world.
This is the verse Iggy tried to desperately to back up his Emergent ideas. As you will see this goes nicely with the above, where Paul tells Timothy to stay away, run away, flee from men who preach another gospel to what Jesus Christ commanded.
1 Timothy 6:1, 3-5, 11-12, 20-21
1 All who are under the yoke of slavery should consider their masters worthy of full respect, so that God’s name and our teaching may not be slandered.
3 If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching,
4 he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions
5 and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain.
11 But you, man of God, flee from all this, and pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, endurance and gentleness.
12 Fight the good fight of the faith. Take hold of the eternal life to which you were called when you made your good confession in the presence of many witnesses.
20 Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to your care. Turn away from godless chatter and the opposing ideas of what is falsely called knowledge,
21 which some have professed and in so doing have wandered from the faith. Grace be with you.
A letter from Paul to Timothy. Timothy was having a bit of a problem with people who refused to listen to the Gospel of Jesus; who want to create their treasures on earth. In doing so, these people were slandering the name of God.
Paul then tells Timothy that if anyone teaches false doctrine and does not agree with sound doctrine and Godly teaching as Jesus Christ COMMANDED; then these people are conceited and understand nothing – this means the Word of God, hence they use little verses here and there to mislead people with their evil plans.
Paul says that corrupt men, who refuse the sound instruction of Jesus Christ to preach genuine teaching, are only interested in controversies and quarrels about ‘words’ that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions and constant friction. Paul says that these men who refuse sound teaching have NOT Truth in them and think that godliness is when you try to produce good works on earth (which means nothing). They think that trying to create ‘heaven on earth’ makes them special and godly.
Paul then tells Timothy to run away from these people, FLEE THEM, and pursue those who are righteous, who have godliness, faith, love, endurance and gentleness for they are truly born again of the Holy Spirit. Paul tells Timothy however to NOT STOP FIGHTING the GOOD FIGHT (good fruit) of DEFENGING the FAITH (the true gospel of Jesus Christ – good news).
Timothy is instructed to hold fast onto Jesus’ promise of eternal life when Timothy made a public confession that by accepting Jesus as his Saviour he will hold fast onto the truth and proclaim it at ALL COSTS. But at the same time, STAY AWAY from wicked people who refuse to hear the Truth. (Eternal life is not on this earth, but in Heaven, and this earth WILL not become HEAVEN. Emergent’s along with every other movement/religion out there are trying to create God’s Kingdom on earth (man’s kingdom) which is useless and ungodly)
Paul tells Timothy to take care of the instructions that Jesus Christ entrusted to him. To not find himself ensnared in godless chatter with people who OPPOSE the Word of God. Who come along with NEW knowledge that is completely false (like good fruit that is actually bad fruit). Timothy (and ALL genuine Christians today) are NOT to try build relationships with those who are no longer following the gospel of Jesus Christ, but have wondered off the track and now follow new teaching/false teaching, which sounds biblical, but it not.
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The Word of God tells born again Christians to not engage in godless chatter with people who refuse to accept the truth. In fact we are not to engage with people who oppose the Word of God in any way. This includes those who quote verses from the bible as they try desperately to back up their NEW AGE, NEW Emergent knowledge and accept ideas from all religions around the world as well as being compatible to the Bible –which GOD also COMMANDS you NOT to do- because if you do, you deny Him. By agreeing with other faiths as being acceptable you agree that other gods are also acceptable. And God clearly states that you shall worship no other god’s but HIM.
Jesus spoke that in the last says there will be a great apostasy (a falling away from the Gospel of Jesus Christ) to another gospel, another Christ. This ‘imitation’ Christ is the Man Of Lawlessness.
“Jesus says, when He returns shall He even find faith left on this earth” That’s Jesus’ words. Not mine. You better make sure you are in the minority, which is what the TRUTH, the Gospel of Jesus Christ is being reduced too through Emergent ideals and the creation of a One World Religion.
Now Chad, go be a minister of reconcilliation to Nic. He really needs it as he is “delving into such shadowy arts.”
Still waiting to hear an answer to a simple question.
Deborah, do you consider yourself a minister of reconciliation? Yes or no?
Deborah,
Throughout history Christians have always agreed that Jesus Christ is the ONLY way to be saved. They have, however, disagreed on exactly HOW that salvation takes place. The common denominator through us all, however, is that we all place our trust in a Jew named Jesus who lived, died and rose again and took away the sins of the world, reconciling us to God. People who confess this truth and put their trust in this Jesus, the Son of God who so loved the world that he sent his son so that all who believe in him may not perish but have eternal life, are your brothers and sisters in Christ. They are Christians.
Now, I know for a fact that Nic, Eugene, and every emergent I have met will affirm what I just wrote 100%. These same people all hold the Bible as God’s holy word and view it as authoritative in their life for all matters of faith and practice. It is a story that has changed our lives, as I assume it has yours.
Where it is fair game to disagree is with HOW Christ’s death and resurrection actually makes salvation possible.
The NT was written in a time when the threat to the faith were “false teachers” who didn’t disagree on doctrine but disagreed that God actually came in the flesh, died and rose from the dead physically, returning to the right hand of the Father. Paul warns the church to be careful of letting such teachers into their midst. Flee them. And yes, we should pursue people who as you say:
” who are righteous, who have godliness, faith, love, endurance and gentleness for they are truly born again of the Holy Spirit.”
Deborah, may I ask how it is your show godliness, love, and gentleness? If I may be honest I have seen very little if any of that in your posts. You write with much hatred, pride and arrogance but very little love and gentleness.
But we are not to pursue such people at the exclusion of everyone else. I mean, if you really want to take this literally than Paul is saying we should only hang out with other Christians. How would anyone ever know the Good News if this were so? Jesus called us to go into ALL the world. Jesus ate with sinners, whores and tax collectors. Jesus told us to love our enemies, not lambast them with blogs and slander and prideful, arrogant insults. You sound almost gleeful that the people you write against will burn in hell. This is not a heart filled with grace.
As for this comment:
Eternal life is not on this earth, but in Heaven, and this earth WILL not become HEAVEN. Emergent’s along with every other movement/religion out there are trying to create God’s Kingdom on earth (man’s kingdom) which is useless and ungodly)
I disagree and so does most of Christiandom throughout history. Deborah, when you pray, “Thy kingdom come, thy will be done, ON EARTH as it is in heaven” what are you praying? Paul says that ALL of creation is groaning for redemption. This world is not to be tossed aside but is and will be fully remade and renewed.
After Paul tells us that God, through Jesus, is reconciling EVERYTHING back to God, Paul says this AMAZING thing:
“AS WE WORK TOGETHER WIHT HIM, we urge you also not to accept the grace of God in vain.” 2 Cor. 6:1
Did you catch that? We are co-workers with God! Because of Jesus and the Holy Spirit working in and through us we are called to be God’s agents on earth, Christ’s hands and feet, working to bring about restoration, reconciliation, peace, salvation. We work to make the prayer, “thy kingdom come” a reality in our midst. Our task is to bring a slice of heaven (which is the rule of God) to the hell around us.
Salvation is not some distant treat to be waited for after we die. Paul says in the same letter, “See, NOW is the acceptable time; see, NOW is the day of salvation!” (2 Cor. 6:2). Salvation is TODAY!
Emergent Christians are genuine. They desire to be ministers of reconciliation as we are COMMANDED to be as disciples of Christ. We desire to announce the Good News that Jesus has made this possible and that we are now God’s co-workers, prayerfully working together as the body of Christ, the church, in helping to see the will of God on earth as it is in heaven.
We ask with Micah what does the Lord require? To do justice, love mercy, and walk humbly with our God. Deborah, are you walking humbly? Do you love justice and mercy?
So again, I have to ask: Do you see yourself as a minister of reconciliation?
grace and peace,
Chad
“It’s not about saving souls for Jesus Christ anymore; it’s now ALL about saving lives on earth.”
Among many flaws in your logic and theological reasoning and understanding of emergents, this quote above is perhaps your biggest.
Where do you get the idea from scripture or otherwise that the gospel is all about just saving “souls”? What is SO ironic about your arguments is that you decry anything that to you is New Age or outside the purviews of Scripture and yet you loudly and happily announce a Platonic gospel, and probably don’t even realize you are doing so. Just know this: When you talk about saving souls over bodies, the spirit over matter, escaping this world to another, you are a disciple of Plato, not Jesus or Paul or any of the writers of scripture.
Amanda, (Every time I type your name that Boston song plays in my head – Just a little humour…)
Like I said in a previous comment I’m done arguing as I feel that we will continue going in circles so I will just state a few things.
Nic is a friend and a brother in Christ to me. He openly confesses Jesus Christ (who walked this earth, died and rose again) as Lord and that’s enough for me to accept him as a brother. Some of the things he writes I do not fully understand and haven’t decided if I agree with or not. When I do disagree I will tell him so and why but I will not break fellowship him over a few disagreements. Further I will not broad stroke him, Chad, Iggy, you or Deborah with any other people and by GBA (guilt by association) decide anyone is not a real Christian. That is for God to decide for I cannot look into any heart. When a brother or sister writes or does something I disagree with I will challenge them in love (I have done that with Chad) but never decide on their status with God so don’t expect that of me.
As for centering prayer. I know that at first glance the methods might resemble Eastern meditation. I know I’ll do a horrible job explaining it so I won’t try. A book I found very helpful explaining the history, goal and method is “Gebed van die Hart” by William Nicol. For me it is helpful to just be quiet in the presence of God. I do not use it to enter in some trance or become a little god or something. I love God and I want to spend time with Him. Centering prayer also does not replace or is more important than any other spiritual practice in my life like Bible study, prayer, worship and others.
As for me being a wolf in sheep clothing… If you think so ignore me then.
May God’s goodness and mercy stalk you and His loving grace surprise you when you least expect it today.
I meditate on the Word of God. What is meditation?
Meditate: to engage in contemplation or REFLECTION, to focus one’s thoughts on: reflect or ponder over. to PLAN or project in the mind.
Lets take a look at 2 Timothy 2:7- REFLECT on what I am saying, for the Lord will give you insight into all this.
Psalms 19:14-May the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be pleasing in your sight, O LORD, my Rock and my Redeemer.
Joshua 1:8-Do not let this Book of the Law depart from your mouth; meditate on it day and night, so that you may be careful to do everything written in it. Then you will be prosperous and successful.
Psalms 48:9-Within your temple, O God, we meditate on your unfailing love.
Psalms 77:12- I will meditate on all your works and consider all your mighty deeds.
Psalms 119:148-My eyes stay open through the watches of the night, that I may meditate on your promises.
Psalms 104:34-May my meditation be pleasing to him, as I rejoice in the LORD.
Biblical meditation isn’t emptying our mind before God and waiting for Him to speak. True biblical meditation is studying, thinking, pondering, reflecting, imagining HIS WORD. Alot of Christians are afraid of meditation, but if its done with the Word of God and the Holy Spirit theres nothing spooky or scary. If I dont intently study and think on the Word of God how can I myself be impacted the Word. There’s a huge difference between Christian meditation and Eastern meditation. To meditate on something is to plan something. If you want to start a business you first must plan, think, meditate, ponder, upon the idea and all aspects of your business.
I like to read the Bible as I would a novel. I like to use my God-given imagination. If I’m reading about Moses parting the Red Sea I dont want to just read about that, I want to put myself in Moses’ situation in my mind and spirit. If Jesus is walking in Galilee healing the sick and preaching the Gospel I want to picture Jesus doing these things. There’s nothing unbiblical with using your imagination. We will NEVER come to a complete understanding of the Bible if while we read we dont put ourselves in the persons shoes. Take this for example. Lets say someone I know is depressed because a friend of theirs died. Now can I say to my friend who’s depressed, “Yeah its tough, you’ll get over it” when I never been in their position. Absolutely not, because I’ve never EXPERIENCED the loss of a loved one, so I dont know the pain. I dont know the loss. I dont know the loneliness. Thats why we need to see in our mind/spirit everything in the Bible. True biblical meditation is using our minds/spirit to study the Word of God, to study the character of God, and the ways of God. True biblical meditation IS NOT getting silent before God and letting Him speak. Absolutely the Holy Spirit speaks, but He speaks more often when reading His Word. Have you ever read the Bible and have a verse or a word jump out at you and then the Holy Spirit gives you revelation as to what the verse means. True biblical meditation is NOT repeating silly words over and over. To repeat one or two words over and over is useless. There’s nothing wrong with reading a scripture or verse over and over because you’re then speaking God’s Word for memorization. Sometimes we need to write, say and look at a verse alot of times to memorize that verse.
Chad
You said: “It’s not about saving souls for Jesus Christ anymore; it’s now ALL about saving lives on earth.” Among many flaws in your logic and theological reasoning and understanding of emergents, this quote above is perhaps your biggest. Where do you get the idea from scripture or otherwise that the gospel is all about just saving “souls”?
Bwwaahahaha…ok that was your best comment yet.
Chad
Pay attention!!! I answered your question in this comment:
Amanda
Eugene said: “May God’s goodness and mercy stalk you and His loving grace surprise you when you least expect it today”
Now their god must “stalk you”. But of course born again Christians know that Jesus does not stalk people. Only a thief, a con-artist, a trickster stalks people. Nic could not have exposed the entire Emenrgent movement better with his well written article (The Holy Trickster): Satan the Trickster – Embracing the Emerging Snake –
Basically Jesus Christ is a Dove and a Snake all in one.
Chad
You said: Still waiting to hear an answer to a simple question. Deborah, do you consider yourself a minister of reconciliation? Yes or no?
Still waiting you for you pay attention! I answered your question in this comment:
Chris Rosebrough easily managed to tweet the Christian Gospel: Rob Bell’s Convoluted Gospel Isn’t the Biblical Gospel:
You notice the difference? Christians do. Chris continues:
Is the good Muslim saved and going to heaven? Chad, you said ‘amen’. Are all saved, including the good Muslim?
The reception of Maitreya by the Master – through Benjamin Crème:
Stalk? Compare with ‘abide’:
Quoted by Rev. Bill Cwirla. His sermons are …a feast for starving Christians.
It seems senseless to waste any more time here. Now you will not even address any of the substance in anything anyone writes. You have yet to answer whether or not you are a minister of reconciliation as Paul calls all of us to be (and the post you keep referring to is not an answer – it’s a deflection).
I will assume by your non-answers and lack of engagement that you do not see yourself as a minister of reconciliation, thus proving that you do not really care to perform the very texts that you claim are the sole source of truth for you.
Deborah,
My “stalk” comment is a wordplay/bit of creative licence on Ps 23:6 – “Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life…” and I truly meant it as a blessing. I put the “stalk” there hoping to induce a smile or two but you chose to read something in it that never even crossed my mind. It is this twisting of words to man something never said and name calling that I do not think suits a Christian site. I urge you to follow the advise of one of the bloggers linked here
Grace be to you, and peace from God our Father and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
Ah lavrai!!! Yeah love that guy. That article is with regards to the names ‘Christians’ call people who are homosexual for instance, amongst other things. The big difference here Eugene is that Lavrai would have a small nervous breakdown if you thought an Emergent was using his articles for their purposes. What you and your posse have done Eugene is mocked, riciduled, insulted, downtrodden, Jesus Christ my King of Kings and Lord of Lords. What you say to me and call me means nothing….but what you say about my Lord and Saviour….that’s a whole new ball game!!!
I have asked you this once already and got no response. I’ll try again. Where has anyone here “mocked, ridiculed, insulted” Jesus?
All your comments of “ditto” and “yawn” are beneath you, Deborah. Surely someone of your intelligence can be a bit more engaging. But I guess I should expect nothing more from someone who does think Christians are to be ministers of reconciliation.
You know when you will procude a smile Eugene? If you agreed that Nic’s article on the Trickster was truly and utterly a complete slap in the face of Jesus Christ? *I can only shake my head at stuff like this*
Deborah,
Where have I mocked, ridiculed, insulted or downtroddn Jesus Christ?
Chad: I’ve decided to delete your comments. Repeating the same question to me and ignoring my response it just not cricket. So go and comment on Nic’s blog where you all agree with New Age occult teaching – happy Trickstering.
Eugene
You agree with Nic do you not? You agree with Nic that Jesus and the Tricksters (amongst other divinites) are basically one and the same. That Jesus and Satan are compatible. You agree with Nic that delving into shadowy arts is ok. So if you agree with Nic who insults, mocks and ridicules Jesus by saying that Jesus and Satan (the dove and the snake) are one and the same then: you have mocked, ridiculed, insulted and downtrodden Jesus Christ.
It’s like congruence of a,b and c: if a~b and b~c then a~c or for EXAMPLE:
if Chad agrees with Nic and Eugene agrees with Chad then Eugene agrees with Nic
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if Eugene agrees with Iggy, and Iggy agrees with Nic then Eugene agrees with Nic
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if Roger agrees with Nic and Eugene agrees with Roger then Eugene agrees with Nic
must I go on? No, I don’t see why I should….it’s very obvious Eugene.
Eugene
I originally said: yada, yada, yada, bla, bla, bla – but I apologise for this, it’s tough being expected to respond to everyone’s comments in what they think is considered to be love 24/7/365.
You said: My relationship with my brothers and sisters does not work like an algebra equation where I have to agree with them to love them.
Hmmm…Eugene. You need to really start thinking about what you are really saying. You can’t disagree and agree with the Word of God at the same time. You either love the truth or you hate it. The bible says you can’t server TWO masters. You either love the one or hate the other. There is NO in between.
There is a difference between hanging with a bunch of people whose teachings are as dodgy as they get because they really make an excellent cup of coffee. This is like telling a person caught in a cult that they can’t leave because the cult leader might be telling the truth when he says he loves all of them and will never hurt them in any way,
The battle is spiritual, not of the flesh. False teaching will destroy you spiritually. This is what this is all about.
You said: I will encage into conversation with him about it as I feel I don’t understand much of what he is talking about.
You have every right to speak to Nic, no where have I said you can’t. I have said over and over on this blog that can no force anyone to choose Jesus Christ over false teaching. It’s all your choice.
Lastly you say you don’t understand what Nic is really talking about. But yet you argue with me. How can you argue about something you don’t know about?
Eugene… this conversation is not about being hateful; it’s all about speaking the truth.
You said: I think we will laugh at ourselves because of how little we new on this side of Jesus Christ’s return.
Many people are not going to be laughing one day when they find out that because they refused to listen to the Word of God they found themselves standing before the Throne of Jesus Christ being judged. Being told that God does not know them for they were luke warm and sat on the fence; one minute quoting scripture and another minute loving the words and ideas of wicked knowledge.
You said: May you find the perfect love that casts out all fear.
Roger said the same thing a few times on this blog and I said to him that Jesus Christ casts out all fear for God always gives a sound mind through His Word and His Holy Spirit that abides in all born again Christians.
Deborah,
That was an excellent attempt of guilt by association which does not prove your accusation: “you have mocked, ridiculed, insulted and downtrodden Jesus Christ.”
My relationship with my brothers and sisters does not work like an algebra equation where I have to agree with them to love them. If your relationships are defined by that I feel deep sympathy for you and pray that you will fall into the love of Jesus Christ that will cause your heart to accept others in spite of differences.
I reserve the privilege for myself to not make up my about everything all the time until I have made up my mind about it. Nick’s “Trickster” post falls into this category. I will engage into conversation with him about it as I feel I don’t understand much of what he is talking about. If I find that I do not agree with him I will not love or accept him any less. The same goes for Chad, Iggy, you and Amanda.
Now, I feel that you and me will not progress in this discussion. I hope to someday converse with you and that we gain a better understanding of each other even if that will have to wait until we do not see dimly as in a mirror anymore but stand face to face with our Lord Jesus Christ. I think we will laugh at ourselves because of how little we new on this side of Jesus Christ’s return.
May you find the perfect love that casts out all fear.
Eugene
Nope, I do not follow their occult teaching, never will. I do not laugh at this situation one bit. It’s dangerous beyond belief and you just can’t see it or you don’t want too; either way it’s still your choice.
I hope one day you do see what they are really teaching and following.