To Emergents: Romans 8 1-12
To All Emergents: Romans 8 1-12
Romans 8 1-12
1 Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death.
3 For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh,
4 so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
5 For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit.
6 For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace,
7 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so,
8 and those who are in the flesh cannot please God….
9 However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.
10 If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.
12 So then, brethren, we are under obligation, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh—
That’s why I posted it because Emergent (One World Religion-ers) never understand this verse…
Since you apparently “understand” this verse, would you mind explaining it, rather than just making things bold and underline? That would really be helpful, so I could know what your theology is and where you are coming from. How do I know that you’re not the one trying to start a “one world religion”? 😉 Thanks.
Steve K
Why must I explain it to you? You should know exactly what it means. You should also know what it means to be a genuine Christian. For if you were you would not be asking rediculous questions like this – testing me.
OK. No need to get testy. I just thought since “Emergents never understand this verse,” and I guess I’m one of those so-called “Emergents” that you might like to explain it to me. But I’m understanding you now — I’m just supposed to “know exactly what it means” if I’m a “genuine Christian.” Gotcha.
BTW – I love these verses, and I’m with Iggy: Romans 8 in no way contradicts my convictions as an “Emergent.” God’s word is truth and is the authority for my life. Praise God for Jesus’ life, death, and resurrection.
Can I ask what the point of this post is? Really it has not context and makes no sense… I agree with all of the scripture but am unsure of YOUR meaning behind them… God’s word is truth and all the “emergents” (again, no even sure you know what you are saying there) do not deny the scripture… It is the authority of our lives.
Steve K
>> and I guess I’m one of those so-called “Emergents”
You said it not me…
>> I’m just supposed to “know exactly what it means” if I’m a “genuine Christian.” Gotcha.
YES, the bible does say that when one is truly born again the Holy Spirit leads us into all understanding, truth and remembrance of Jesus. Do you think God leaves you in the dark regarding his Word? No.
>> word is truth and is the authority for my life. Praise God for Jesus’ life, death, and resurrection.
And of course the Bible and Emergent New Age teaching are compatible as per ya’all. This is why you can quote scripture and apply it to how ever you feel suits the New Emergent One World Relgion ‘Chrsitian’ beliefs
Hi , I saw a website with John saying he didn’t believe in God’s Sovereignty in Salvation
I was wondering because he said GOD is LOVE which is True…but I would like to know, if God
is Love then why are people going to hell in a hand basket? If God created man then what makes
one man believe and the other one NOT?
Scott wrote:
Surely, you know that love must be reciprocal before there can be any kind of relationship between two people. God loves all people but not all people love Him. Imagine God allowing people who do not love Him to stay in his heaven. Would you want a woman to remain with you in your home when she does not love you? That’s ridiculous.
It all depends on what you mean by God’s sovereignty in salvation. If you mean by it that God only loves and chooses some people unto salvation and rejects the rest because He hates them and never allowed his Son to die for them on the cross, then you have a warped idea of God’s sovereignty. God’s sovereignty lies in his choice to love all people and to have his Son die for all people. (2 Peter 3:9). The reason why most people go to hell is not because God chose to send them there before the foundation of the world. They are going to hell because they choose of there own free will to reject the cross of Christ. “For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.” (1 Co 1:18).
Indeed, God created man but he created him with a free-will to decide for himself whether he wanted to love Him or not. There are many things God cannot do and one of those things is to force people to love Him. If he’d forced people to love Him He would have been nothing else than a despotic dictator. And that’s precisely how Calvinists see his sovereignty. If your wife had no free-will to decide whether she wanted to love and marry you, you would have been betrothed to a robot with no capability to love anyone. Free-will and love go hand in hand like love and marriage go hand in hand like a horse and carriage. The only problem is that Calvinists put the horse before the carriage. By that I mean that they believe the elect must first be regenerated monergistically before God can give them faith as a gift. That’s not biblical salvation.
You ask: “If God created man then what makes one man believe and the other one NOT?” Jesus porvides the answer for us: He said: “They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick.” (Mat 9:12). No one can be saved unless they realize that they are lost sinners. Most people readily acknowledge that they are sinners because they cannot deny it. But very little acknowledge that they are on their way to hell. A Calvinist once said to me:
Does he need the Great Physician, Jesus Christ? You must be kidding. Self-righteous people do not need Jesus to save them. (Mat 7 :13-14).
Hi! Thank you so much for your blog. It’s really helping me get a grip on false doctrine of Calvinism. I found this post by searching Romans 8 on this site. What do you make of Romans 8:29 — for whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of His Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren?
How does this impact your view of Calvinism? Is there any other resource on this you’d recommend for proper knowledge and edification?
Thanks again for preaching the word, exhorting with all longsuffering and doctrine, in Jesus’ name, Amen!
Dear Lila
Thank you for your comment.
You said “What do you make of Romans 8:29 — for whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of His Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren?”
Read entire article here: WHAT IT REALLY MEANS TO BE ELECTED, CHOSEN, AND PREDESTINATED – THE BIBLICAL TRUTH